So andcas, you assume you can judge music (or something else) objectively, without any influence from your education, the package and the history around you and the produce you're judging? (If you say yes, I would like you to give me the objective definition of "shit")
I think this is the main point in this conversation (and one of the most interesting abstract reflection in general): the definition of "beauty" and "truth", at least on a purely aesthetic dimension. I think "beauty" (like "truthfulness" and "goodness") it's a purely subjective/cultural unit, a semantic element we develop taking elements from our surroundings.
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I don't think we should stop judging things critically: I only tried to say that we should drop all of our pretensions of universality (objectivity). By the way, I'm not saying that the album in question has real artistic merit: I just say that if we don't know the artist and everything involved in her rise to fame, the cover was radically different and its release welcomed by Pitchfork Media in terms of its experimental quality our opinions would be slightly different (In my case, equally negative, I think, because I would see it as a scam (because I can't drop my pretension of judging things with pretension of objectivity in my common life, so I basically agree with you).
Anyway, I would like to make clear that I love timewasting.
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Album Rating: 4.0
you can spin it anyway you so choose but then again what's to stop anyone else from taking something you find to be
absolutely appalling and draping it with hyperbolic claims of "you just don't see the genius." what I'm getting from
this entire conversation is there's no such thing as failure if someone can find enjoyment in it
oh, not at all, there are certainly such things as failures even if people find enjoyment of it. I have plenty of negative opinions on albums that are informed by what I think the record's doing, why i think its insidious or terrible etc.
also, aside from that hyperbole that closes the first paragraph, i don't wish to make the case that this is a work of hidden genius, not like the guardian or tmt who i think went a little nuts with this. i do think that this is an interesting critical situation because the natural reaction is to shrug this off and laugh at it (i.e. that video a few pages back someone posted with a guy just mocking her to her face), when, like I say in the review and MarvinLapsus said just now, if this had any modicum of artistic merit, we'd be having a different sort of conversation about it.
my point i guess is, just because we're not "supposed" to take it seriously doesn't preclude it from being taken seriously
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scorpionstan throwback!
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i just listened to on my own. there's nothing left
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Album Rating: 2.0
-someone makes a bunch of unfounded claims about review and album
-downer responds to it in detail
-discussion comes to a screeching halt
sputnik
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hiya
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Album Rating: 5.0
"I've only heard the single"
JUSTIFIED 1/5
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Album Rating: 5.0
Everyone else's opinion might as well be considered completely invalid cuz we have a master critic in the house . He can experience entire albums by listening to one song!
By golly he ain't even a critic, he's the Second Coming! Only Jesus Christ could do such a magical and impossible thing thank you Jesus for your opinion
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Album Rating: 4.0
whoa there jethro
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wtf have you created downer?
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Album Rating: 4.0
a monster
but nobody wants to see marshall no more they want shady im chopped liver
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not sure if greatest album on earth or worst thing ever made
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good review, but it sounds like you just stepped out of a class on Derrida.
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Album Rating: 4.0
spent a semester doing comp lit so yeah
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Album Rating: 3.0
review makes me want to listen to this
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This album is the biggest pile of crap I've had the audacity to try and listen to in a long while. I only heard the single
hmm
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Album Rating: 2.0
"not sure if greatest album on earth or worst thing ever made"
why does everyone think it's one of these two? it's neither.
*IN MY OPINION* this is a below average experimental pop album that had a decent concept (sonically - I'm not saying this is a "concept" album, my word), but failed in execution.
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Album Rating: 1.0
worse than fucking cancer.
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Album Rating: 2.0
have you guys heard like BrokeNCYDE or Millionaires? this shit aint that bad, and you're just dismissing all logical arguments with no explanations of your own.
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