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ArsMoriendi
January 6th 2025


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Album Rating: 2.5

"Etymologically the noun toast comes from the verb toast and meant “piece of bread that has been toast (verb)-ed” but perhaps this is not good enough…"



Sona, it's totally good enough, Smok's just like weird

ToSmokMuzyki
January 6th 2025


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https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=toast

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


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Album Rating: 3.5

toast (v.1)

"to brown with heat," late 14c., tosten, from Old French toster "to toast, to grill, roast, burn" (12c.), from Vulgar Latin *tostare (source of Italian tostare, Spanish tostar), frequentative of Latin torrere (past participle tostus) "to parch" (from PIE root *ters- "to dry"). Related: Toasted; toasting.

also from late 14c.

toast (n.1)

"piece of bread browned by fire or dry heat," early 15c., tost, from toast (v.1); originally as something added to wine, ale, etc. It is attested from 17c. as something eaten on its own with a spread. Tostie is attested from late 14c. as "toasted piece of bread, dish made with toast."



I probably oversold it but this seems more up my alley than yours

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


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Album Rating: 3.5

That said this is a good conversation

ArsMoriendi
January 6th 2025


42362 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

It's just like how pickles are cucumbers that have been pickled

ArsMoriendi
January 6th 2025


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If someone didn't know what toast was, you'd have to use the word bread to tell them

ToSmokMuzyki
January 6th 2025


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you were limiting it to only bread when its very first etymology refers to any object

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


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Album Rating: 3.5

Yeah and I think our point is we /might as well have/ called them pickled cucumbers lol, if we said there’s no case for calling them that we’d agree with him

bellovddd
January 6th 2025


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Album Rating: 4.5

wait are we really debating if toast is bread.

ToSmokMuzyki
January 6th 2025


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likewise pickles are literally anything preserved in brine



toast can refer to anything toasted it is by sheer coincidence its happened to land as meaning usually bread in english, hence the phrase "you're toast!"

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


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Yeah I limited toast the noun etymologically to bread because that’s what the website says look at the definition



I didn’t limit the verb

ToSmokMuzyki
January 6th 2025


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read your entire sentence you cant only pick one piece of it

ArsMoriendi
January 6th 2025


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"likewise pickles are literally anything preserved in brine"



If someone asked for pickles and you gave me pickled eggs or pickled cabbage do you think they'd be satisfied?

ToSmokMuzyki
January 6th 2025


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you said the verb toast meant specifically a piece of bread

Futures
Contributing Reviewer
January 6th 2025


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Album Rating: 3.5

mx is on the way to shut this down

bellovddd
January 6th 2025


7716 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

lord have mercy

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


28661 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

The two things I said are true



Etymologically the noun comes from the verb



The noun refers to bread that has been toasted



Both of those are backed up by the website

ToSmokMuzyki
January 6th 2025


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>If someone asked for pickles and you gave me pickled eggs or pickled cabbage do you think they'd be satisfied?



not everywhere is america /thread

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


28661 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

I did not say that the verb refers to bread read it a third time

robertsona
Emeritus
January 6th 2025


28661 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

“The noun comes from the verb toast and meant” will not be followed up by what the verb means



It’s what the noun means



“Which meant” is what you’re looking for



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