Album Rating: 2.5

sorry my lexicon has been hit with having been a music tech student for 5 years

Album Rating: 4.0

oh lol no I know exactly what you're referring to, but some of the best music ever written has simple melodies using the first three notes of a major scale. like...I can pretty much guarantee it. (that's also almost the entire genre we're talking about rn)

Album Rating: 2.5

using *only* the first three notes in the scale though? it's fine for a set up because it makes any small deviation feel really surprising (which tssf try and do with a single 4th but they dont commit so it sounds almost like a mistake and then they never return to it to enforce and strengthen it)



and literally every pop punk album i like is because it isnt doing that lmao so see: proper dose, every alkaline trio album outside of their 2010-2013 run, blink untitled, mayday parades a lesson in romantics, tbs's where you want to be and louder now, fall out boy's folie a deux, etc for examples of not that. not even demanding anything crazy since i like the "pop" side of the sound lol but like a 4th is absolutely not too much to ask for at all. need those and 7ths to provide the glue but thats a pretty easy low standard



but yeah generally part of why this is a pretty dismal style that only select bands can rise out of (which i guess tssf no longer can rip)

Album Rating: 4.0

“(which tssf try and do with a single 4th but they dont commit so it sounds almost like a mistake and then they never return to it to enforce and strengthen it)“



Ah see I completely disagree, that 4th when he repeats the chorus sounds so powerful and intentional, and the fact that it’s kind of unexpected makes it stand out even more. It’s exactly the small deviation you’re talking about

Album Rating: 2.5

i mean to each their own but him throwing the bare minimum of deviance in what to me is the safest melody writing imaginable only one time after beating the boring parts of the hook into the ground was not enough to cut it for me lol

Album Rating: 4.0

Meh, thinking about it too hard. Overcomplicating a melody just for the sake of making it sound complicated is not a hallmark of songwriting. It’s catchy as fuck, and there’s plenty going on with the rest of the instruments in the chorus anyway

Album Rating: 2.5

lmao just because i have standards doesnt mean im overcomplicating things :shrugs:

Album Rating: 3.0

@onionbubs, whatever you said about the note scale nursery rhyme melody is exactly what I've been trying to say for months now but havent had the words.



I simply cannot get into that song as much as other people.

Album Rating: 4.0

lmao "standards"



it's ok to like basic shit and it's ok to like complex shit. like butt said there's plenty of music that's simple and rocks. there's also plenty of shit that is complex from a music theory standpoint and sucks ass. i can appreciate the in depth discussion on theory and what you appreciate about music you like but u can just say you don't like something and not be smarmy about it.



also they base the entire coda after the 2nd chorus around the same chorus notes with that 4th added so they do go back to it seconds later. and they use the 4th in the verses too. the way they did it is much better songwriting than going back to the 4th again in the same chorus bc it makes it stand out like an accidental.

Album Rating: 2.5

"what the fuck?" prompted an elaboration so i bit. also i dont think "literally anything other than the first three scale degrees" is demanding anything that "complex from a music theory standpoint"? tons of melodies that rule are very simple just that specific pattern will always feel way way too stable for me. like its fine if y'all can dig it, but y'all can see why i don't



and yeah the verses and coda are better but the chorus was what was singled out

Album Rating: 4.0

i wasn't implying anything besides first three scale degrees is complex. you can demand what you wish. i was making the point that complexity of music doesn't indicate quality, nor vice versa. tssf make basic ass music, i have no qualms with saying that. i think it works on that song and this record, you don't. i just think it's silly to imply you dislike every instance of a certain chord progression whenever it pops up and that other albums you like would never have it. if that's the case then more power to ya, but I find it hard to believe. and your tone is just kinda condescending considering I don't think butt said anything out of line.



yes the chorus was singled out, but they use that 4th they tease like 15 seconds later so I'd argue that they do reinforce it in a better way than doing it twice in the 2nd chorus.



I don't care whether you like it or not and I do appreciate expounding on things because that's needed more around here rather than lyric chains and blind praise/hate.

Album Rating: 2.5

the only thing i wasnt a fan of was the idea that im "thinking too hard"...like nah dog i just explained why i dont like it. felt like i had to put the foot down a bit



sorry if i rubbed a nerve tho



and one more thing not chord progression but vocal melody. you gotta be doing some wild shit around that for it to not feel like a rearrangment of hot cross buns to me. when my favorite bands do it, i like it less than when bands im casuals for do it because its usually antithetical to why i like their vocal writing

Album Rating: 4.0

Ay fair enough! Not really tryna come at your throat and sorry if I came off as a dick. I feel what you're saying though, I mean super simplistic shit pisses me off too and it's always easier to give a pass to bands you're into rather than someone you're lukewarm on.



I feel like sometimes when one critiques music you compartmentalize and don't necessarily think as much when it's something you love, then when something you dont like comes along you're like "why don't I like this" and then a bunch of other shit comes out hahah. At least that's how it feels like for me.

Album Rating: 4.0

Arguing about theory in a pop punk thread whoo boy it's sput alright

Album Rating: 4.0

I’m just glad we can all agree All This Time is a fantastic song m/

Album Rating: 4.0

[2] ahrd

Album Rating: 4.0

Fuckin lovin this album boys

You’re still in my way is such a goddamn tune

Album Rating: 4.0

A side way better than B side?

Thought this was pretty boring sadly

Album Rating: 2.5

Pop punk album v305730264



While definitely slightly above average, I’ve never heard such cookie cutter writing and lack of anything original or differentiating for such an acclaimed album