Circle Takes the Square As the Roots Undo
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BigHans
July 6th 2010


30959 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

That was epic.

Vermeer
July 6th 2010


141 Comments


i like that there is no further attempt to defend the lyrics after such a thorough obliteration

BigHans
July 6th 2010


30959 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

Nobody wants to take you on MJ.

ConsiderPhlebas
July 6th 2010


6157 Comments

Album Rating: 1.5

The lyrics are impossible to defend. It'd be easier to prove Jackie Collins' books are true literature/pure poetry.

Vermeer
July 6th 2010


141 Comments


The song “A Crater to Cough In” features the pseudo-paradoxical description of something as “perfectly imperfect,” a cliché if ever there was one. “In the Nervous Light of Sunday” includes an injunction to “ignite the pyres underneath a sedated mythology,” a ridiculous phrase which attempts to sound deep or mysterious. A “sedated mythology”? What does that even mean? Near the beginning of “Same Shade as Concrete” there are these lyrics: “The heavens filled our gilded vessel with poison tears; before we drink, I propose a toast, a final prayer.” “Gilded vessel” -- a hilariously trite archaism. Again Circle Takes the Square is attempting to sound poetic but is failing miserably.

Furthermore, the band makes several allusions to Carthage and hence probably the Aeneid (“A Crater to Cough in”), to Penelope’s weaving for Odysseus in the Odyssey (“In the Nervous Light of Sunday”), and to Kazimir Malevich’s concept of non-objectivity (“A Non-objective Portrait of Karma”) in order to appear literate and sophisticated. Circles Takes the Square tries many times to sound profound but just ends up sounding profoundly idiotic.

this, combined with ConsiderPhlebas' remarks quoted on the previous page and Emim's comments here hammer the last nail into the coffin of CTTS' lyrical credibility:
Their detachment comes across as lazy. The songwriting can be extremely rambling and goalless. Their lyrical concepts hold no water, and gives nothing for the listener to hang their hat on. It is pretension solely for the sake of the writers. Now I do not have the educational background to understand where all of these concepts are taken from, but I know that they do nothing but separate myself and others likewise inclined from the album. This presents the biggest problems with As the Roots Undo. It is much too targeted and it is empty.



BigHans
July 6th 2010


30959 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

see Porch, told you this wasn't me.

porch
July 6th 2010


8455 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5

My apologies, I know it's annoying to be accused of being an alt





BigHans
July 6th 2010


30959 Comments

Album Rating: 1.0

My apologies, I know it's annoying to be accused of being an alt



^ Haha, touche

Vermeer
July 6th 2010


141 Comments


dude Sabbath would have fucking stomped these weaklings. their skin would be instantly melted off by a blistering Tony Iommi riff and their bones reduced to dust by Geezer Butler's skull-shattering bass parts

Vermeer
July 6th 2010


141 Comments


I just actually read all the way through this review and I loved it haha.

I looked at the rating and dismissed the review and then couldn't figure out why you were contradicting your rating Vermeer. In the future I will read the full review before dismissing lol.

thanks Apollo

Enotron
July 6th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

MJ I think the main problem is that you're taking the lyrics from this overly intellectual, philosophical point to somehow objectively prove that Drew's lyrics are bad. You're forgetting that the majority of sputnik can't relate to your specific analysis of the record, being that most enjoy the lyrics simply for how they sound or the imagery they create. So that's why I think most completely ignore your argument entirely. You talk about how the lyrics attempt to provoke some kind of depth, but they don't mean anything. But most don't have a personal problem with that.



I find due to this album's chaotic and ever-changing nature, there are small moments that really appeal to me whether it be "My dad's favorite novel on top of the pile, in the self conscious first light shakes the memory of his smile." or the guitar line that comes in when Drew sings "Gravity doesn't grant me the privilege of failure". Of course neither of those lines really add to any cohesive theme over the album, but the phrasing and words chosen strike a chord with certain listeners.



It would be cool if you argued about the utter pretense of the lyrics or the production etcetera, but you seem focused on using concrete evidence to somehow make a universal statement that Circle Takes The Square are artistically worthless.

Enotron
July 7th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

she's probably just saying that to get into your pants

Enotron
July 7th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

the easiest way to inbed chambered is telling him how sophisticated his music taste is

Knott-
Emeritus
July 7th 2010


10259 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

The reason this high art approach to music criticism doesn't work is because such thoughts are organised, well-considered and based on a clear mind. Human beings and the way in which they react to music follow none of those rules; we are a mess, we are irrational, we are the sum total of a million complex events and thoughts and we do not instinctively care where an idea comes from as long as it makes us feel good inside.



The problems you state with this record are only problems if you make them problems, and vast majority of people are not wired up to do so. Yes, that makes you special, but yes, unfortunately, it also means nobody else agrees with you. Well, few, anyway.

Enotron
July 7th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

that was brilliantly said Knott, kudos

witchxrapist
July 7th 2010


11117 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I agree 100%.

Emim
July 7th 2010


38489 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5 | Sound Off

No no no. The problem is that just because it makes you (and the majority) feel that way, doesn't mean it should make everyone feel that way.

Knott-
Emeritus
July 7th 2010


10259 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5 | Sound Off

I agree. I never said otherwise.



But just because it doesn't make you feel that way, doesn't mean it shouldn't make anyone feel that way.

CutMan
July 7th 2010


1926 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5 | Sound Off

What it comes down to is that the reasons you hate it might be why someone else loves it. EVERYONE IS WRONG, EVERYONE IS RIGHT

Emim
July 7th 2010


38489 Comments

Album Rating: 2.5 | Sound Off

I agree as well.



I think everyone should just accept each other's opinions. Oh wait...this is the internet.



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