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I think health care should be free and I'm not against free or much cheaper education, but I also think if you, for example, invent a product that becomes huge and used worldwide you should be able to get rich off that. Not sure what that makes me

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anymore liberal arts majors wanna chime in

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@Hyp: I just agree lol



"Obviously lobbyists court uncompetitive advantages on behalf of powerful corporations from Congress and state legislatures all the time. But how does this compare to centrally-planned left-wing economies where money is pilfered, squandered, and stolen to lace the coffers of sleazy bureaucrats?"



Man, there's no way you're aware of that much but DON'T believe that this exact same shit is happening in the US in addition to the very open lobbying. A lot of these people in congress are businessmen/crooks first, public servants last. Trump's a great example. And are we honestly trying to look at China as a leftist ideal? Really?



My argument is that I don't think people should resign themselves to capitalism and not want more.

Just Dropped My Vote Into the Drop Box. Unforgettable. It Was Like A Scene From a Really Great Movie.

This is in North Portland, Lombard, behind the Green Zebra, tonight, 4:30 p.m.

I walked the ten or twelve blocks or so from my house to the Drop Box. Along the way on Lombard I joined a group and was increasingly joined by more people that turned out to be headed for the drop box. There were a couple dozen of us by the end. Masked, we said nothing. Grim determination.

We turned to go behind the Zebra and there were more of us there, one after another, or in pairs, putting ballots in the big tan metal box with a kind of subdued fury. There was the occasional "Thank you." Sometimes there was, for an older person, spontaneous clapping. There was this undercurrent of goddamn joy and my eyes were wet. Everyone is wearing a mask.

There were children accompanying some of us, there were different ethnicities, but I've never seen a sacrament like this one before.

We nodded as we headed out our separate ways. I realized that I had been waiting four fucking years to exhale.

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Can you expound upon why you believe labor is entitled to all that it produces? If a capitalist furnishes buildings, equipment, knowledge, standardized/ best practices, and other "tools" to enhance a worker's output beyond what they could accomplish otherwise, are they not entitled to a share of the wealth created?



You're right. More work needs to be done to grant people a minimal baseline of resources to achieve their fullest potential. But I have zero faith in leftism being the path forward, given its poor track record. I don't see how the next iteration of leftism will be any better, any more altruistic, or any less susceptible to infiltration by bad actors.

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well certainly the next 4 years nothing will get done because trum has set us back into the stone ages. and with a r majority in the senate and the supreme court trimp may as well have won tbh

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@ Ryus: Good job, freshman. Needs more dialogue though.



"There was this undercurrent of goddamn joy and my eyes were wet. Everyone is wearing a mask"



Shouldn't have shifting tenses. Few superfluous words in the body of it too.



"Can you expound upon why you believe labor is entitled to all that it produces? If a capitalist furnishes buildings, equipment, knowledge, standardized/ best practices, and other "tools" to enhance a worker's output beyond what they could accomplish otherwise, are they not entitled to a share of the wealth created?"



These advances are to create efficiency for moneymaking and business owners, not the workers. It's not altruism, it's self-interest. Also people find a way to advance regardless of the system they're in, I think. You think having a new iPhone every year is actually useful or making the world a better place?



Edit: Plus, the term "share of the wealth" is so disingenuous. They get most of it.



@reich: Sad thing about this election is that if Trump had only handled Covid better, he probably would've won.

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Gotta give it to nas, they aint talking about this in the deftones thread 🤘😤

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Troo. I love how we're discoursing or whatever, but we all have the album rated high lol

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"Can you expound upon why you believe labor is entitled to all that it produces? If a capitalist furnishes buildings, equipment, knowledge, standardized/ best practices, and other "tools" to enhance a worker's output beyond what they could accomplish otherwise, are they not entitled to a share of the wealth created?"



absolutely, in fact this concept is one of the fundamental critiques of marxist thought. what youre describing is something called "embodied labor". in nearly every act of production, there are constituent parts that are required to produce something. think of something as simple as a chair, for example. to make a chair, you need wood, glue, nails, a hammer, maybe some finisher. all of these things needed to be created or gathered with labor BEFORE they were put to use making a new product. this is a fundamental concept of production of goods and is unavoidable.



the problem is that simply owning these necessary tools does not constitute labor in and of itself. the vast majority of capitalists who own these means of production did no labor to acquire them. throughout history, things like factories, equipment, raw materials, have been bought and sold through latent capital, i.e. capital that already exists independent of any labor being done, whether through inherited wealth or through wealth generated outside of that specific system of labor.



the answer to that problem is a simple one, those who do the labor should own their embodied labor as well as their acted labor. there is no need for a single person or entity to own these things, when they could be just as easily owned by the laborers actually making use of them. a shop can own the tools used in production by acquiring them collectively through the workers, a factory can be owned collectively by the workers actually doing labor within them.



what this does is make it so that no one has the ability to leverage embodied labor into profits at the expense of those who are doing the actual labor, which is by definition exploitation. the means of production exist independently of private interests, and it is only through leveraging latent capital as the result of a concentration of wealth and power that private interests are able to extract profit from laborers independent of their own contributions.

This is why I don't politically engage on Sput anymore lol people need to grow up

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I’ve seen you politically engage on Sputnik like a month ago max

again with the Trump is a fascist debate lol we already been through that fellas

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i dont really see any problem, outside of a few troll comments this has been a fairly decent conversation.



i mean its not like there's really anything else to talk about, everyone knows this album is an untouchable classic.

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*claps* Yeah, real adults don't talk about anything that matters, they just sit there and judge the people that do. Wish I could be so superior, it must be great.



@Hype: Yeah, this shit makes me well up with emotion when I listen to it, pretty much every time.

If you're arguing the merits of communism in 2020 you especially need to grow up.

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We already had this debate bb. lmao I wish you had even like an ounce of humility in your head.

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You just politically engaged on Sputnik smh

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I’d like to see someone argue the merits of radical right wing lawmaking first

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"I’d like to see someone argue the merits of radical right wing lawmaking first"



GhostB1rd: "Kay. First things first. The blax are NI**ERS. And women don't mean ANYTHING. These are the facts. I WIPE MY ASS WITH POOR PEOPLE. Another fact."