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> That's exactly what I meant you nailed it! You're doing such a great job!

well if you're such a bastion of visionary thought then explain to me why you tried to troll me for listening to arghoslent (i can only imagine to attempt to paint me as a racist) and now are talking about wanting "radical right wing lawmaking" in the united states when realizing full well (well, probably giving too much credit there) what that would entail

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Leftists are way too comfortable with authoritarianism and create bad policy. The right absorbs conspiracy theories and self-loathing victim narratives like a tampon. They also LARP. I really dislike what America's politics have become. The discourse is pretty much a tug of war between loud, fringe idiots who have their own version of pie-in-the-sky utopianism to sell to disaffected, vulnerable, anxiety-ridden people.

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please explain to me how any leftist ideology, which all reject social hierarchy and the concentration of power in the hands of the few, are comfortable with authoritarianism.



or are you just one of those who doesn't understand that neoliberalism is a right wing philosophy?

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Name me one leftist government that hasn't lead to a privileged bureaucratic class and the complete concentration of power in one central party 😂



I'll wait.

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Just because it’s never been practiced the way it’s conceptualized doesn’t mean it’s not a worthwhile idea. Communism is great on paper, it’s just that people are greedy. Doesn’t mean that people can never change though. It’s hardly true leftism at that point.

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never mind tbh

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“please explain to me how any leftist ideology, which all reject social hierarchy and the concentration of power in the hands of the few, are comfortable with authoritarianism.“



Oof maddone top of your class you must be 😂😭

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There's something really wrong with your ideology if its expressed tenets are always violated when applied by an actual government ascribing to it.



There are ideas, and execution of said ideas. Ideas can be all great and wonderful on paper, but if they can't actually be executed in the real world, they're basically utopianism.

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ok but you've moved ur goalposts



whether or not it's utopianism, u were talking about leftist beliefs

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I don't follow. That's also a critique of leftism.

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"Name me one leftist government that hasn't lead to a privileged bureaucratic class and the complete concentration of power in one central party " Oh wow this poorly checked capitalist government lead to a privileged bureaucratic class and the complete concentration of power in OMG.. TWO parties?? So much better, you're right. Idk what we were even thinking.



"There's something really wrong with your ideology if its expressed tenets are always violated when applied by an actual government ascribing to it." Something's really worse when your ideology doesn't have anymore tenets than turning a profit. Morality doesn't even factor in. It's just what you can get away with, you do.

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You're right. America has a two-party duopoly. But that's largely a consequence of its winner take all electoral system--other capitalist countries have different electoral systems that allow for legislative representation from multiple parties.



At least that duopoly allows political freedoms and civil liberties, that's the difference. You're free to critique your own government without fear of reprisal or censorship, as is the case of virtually every leftist government on the planet. There's also less commingling of economic and political power as there is in leftist governments, which allows for fewer avenues for disgusting exploitation of civil service positions.



Capitalism is morally neutral. That does not make it immoral or profits inherently immoral either. It has indisputably been the best engine for innovation and poverty eradication, something even Marxists like Slavoj Zizek are sober-minded enough to admit. If capitalism has been vastly more beneficial to people's standard of living, what leg do you really have to stand on when you argue morality?

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i don’t care what your personal political ideology is, i only care that your definitions and representations of specific ideologies are accurate. if you notice, nothing in this thread is engaging with any actual substance and instead is focused on litmus testing what the left and right actually are. unless we can agree on commonly understood representations of ideas then there is simply no grounds for healthy discussion (again, as evidenced by this thread so far).



leftist ideology, regardless of how it has been perverted in practice, is fundamentally opposed to any concentration of power and believes that social and political hierarchy are inherently wrong, whereas right wing ideology believes in the concentration of power in the hands of a few and that social and political hierarchies are the optimal way to structure society.



if you argue based on misunderstood assumptions and misguided representations of what either side actually believe, then you’re just arguing semantics and not anything of real substance.

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You can theorize all day and night, but what happens happens, and if you think it is not the #1 intention of tbe globalist cabal to destroy small businesses and make everything owned by apple/amazon/google then you need to take your head out of the political philosophy textbook and take a wak through your local metropolitan. And this is bipartisan, the bush/cheney neocon mafia is really the same thing as the ccp aka the modern democratic party. I hate trump too but for different reasons ( hes a shill for israel and despite his short term net gains culpable in globalist conspiracy as well)

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We shouldn't just argue about theory, because at the end of the day, it's the application of said theory that actually impacts lives. If leftism's practical, real-world consequences are the opposite of what it advocates for on paper, that's a very serious problem that warrants criticism.



Also, I'm not right-wing. I honestly dislike right-wingers more, so you'll never find me defending their actions or beliefs.