Album Rating: 5.0

fearless man fearless. so bright. love the alternate tuning and chord progression.

Album Rating: 5.0

the debate about pink floyd's best song is silly cause the answer is so obvious

Album Rating: 5.0

fearless is great but no echoes is the best song here and it's not even close, and it's so good it's almost not even debatable that it's their best song period

Album Rating: 5.0

fearless is one of my fav floyd songs though for sure, fun to play too, sick open tuning

Album Rating: 4.0

chuck can I debate with u how echoes is absolutely not their best song period

Album Rating: 5.0

yeah sure robro give er

Album Rating: 4.5

Fearless > Echoes > San Tropez > Seamus > One of These Days > A Pillow of Winds





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Album Rating: 4.0

sorry ars but that ranking is not accurate at all

Album Rating: 4.5

accurate? lol terrible word to describe a subjective ranking.

Album Rating: 4.0

sweet I was half joking but



Echoes is basically the perfect example in my mind of boundary pushing, completely experimental, basically astronomically creative songwriting and of course for that I adore it



having said that I have a couple problems with its composition and execution, the main one being that its simply too long in some parts. they would do a very similar sort of thing to much better effect in Shine On and I kinda view Echoes as the prototype for that - on Meddle they were still testing the waters (literally if you believe the alb cover) and pushing each other to the limits to see where their creativity could take them. Wish You Were Here is the perfect album because they were still experimenting with various forms of sound but they were comfortable enough to frame them in an emotional narrative about Syd instead of just chucking anything and everything they had in the blender and seeing what came out



again I adore Echoes as a piece of music and for sure it's top 20 Floyd tunes but they've done better both in emotion (usually the shorter ones like WYWH, Time etc) and in composition/songwriting terms (Dogs, Shine On, Us and Them to name a few)



aight hit me

Album Rating: 4.5

But yeah "Fearless" is easily the best song on here and is top 5 Floyd.



"Echoes" is amazing and seems like the track that should be 1, but "Fearless" is so perfect that it manages to be better.



"San Tropez" is 3rd despite supposedly having "bad lyrics" (I feel like it doesn't actually, but Sputnikers need a reason to hate it for some reason?) it's instead one of their chillest, yet happiest tracks... also that solo.



and the other 3 songs are good, but not as good... especially not "A Pillow of Winds" because it's forgettable as hell, that's why no one ever talks about it except for me when I remind people that it even exists.



So yeah my ranking makes sense... "Seamus" and "One of These Days" are pretty interchangeable though...

Album Rating: 5.0

"it's forgettable as hell, that's why no one ever talks about it except for me when I remind people that it even exists."



ugh

Album Rating: 5.0

At the end of the day whether it drags or not is subjective. I have never felt that way. It feels like a tightly written composition from beginning to end for me, with a very simple song structure which finishes off as it began (like an echo).



The whale call synthesizer middle end section might be a bit much for some.



I also feel like it is actually the time period which Meddle was being written and recorded that the group was working best together. More-so than DSOTM, more-so than WWYH, etc. The song achieves an excellent balance between musicianship, lyrics, and between musicians. I honestly feel like this song was them at their climax. They had not yet achieved massive success, were still young, and still working as a group.



The climax of the song itself with that riff by Gilmour is the highlight of their entire catalog, in my opinion. It's just absolutely fantastic.



And to the subject of the song/lyrics. SOYCD is a nice sentimental tribute to Syd. It's legendary for that. But that being said, it's a tribute, a ballad, nothing that pushes the boundaries as a progressive piece or nothing terribly original. The song Echoes set the benchmark for the rest of Floyd's music (or at least the entire subject matter of DSOTM) of basic human nature, and how we are all so concerned with our own motivations and lives that in the moment we actually make a true connection with another and realize how similar we all are, that feeling is so alien and mindblowing. But yet, aside from these brief moments, we somehow feel alone.





tl;dr, great composition, great musicianship, epic subject matter, they tried but never topped the single piece that is echoes

Album Rating: 5.0

some people don't have patience for a song as long as that, or are not into the "epic" style of writing, and that's fine, it all comes down to taste

Album Rating: 4.0

"subjective ranking."

"But yeah "Fearless" is easily the best song on here"

classic ars



@chuck sure, but this whole debate is subjective, right? I don't think either of us is about to try and claim any objective truths over opinion here (I don't see SeaAnenome anywhere itt)



it was at a peak in their productivity as a band, sure, but more-so than DSOTM or WYWH? that's a pretty huge call. Again, I would say here is where they were all testing their limits and pushing the boundaries whereas on the later two they were mostly comfortable, they all knew what their strengths were as performers and played to those. WYWH is literally the most well-balanced album I've ever heard

I'll give you that riff though, Gilmour fucking shreds it up on that part, I just wish it didn't take so long to get to that point. Building up tension is one thing and for a large portion Echoes does that well, but it does get to the point where it starts meandering

I love the subject matter (Waters literally does no wrong as a lyricist/writer) but personally I would take an intimate, sentimental piece like Shine On over an epic humanity-wide song any day of the week. At the core what sets Floyd apart from Genesis, Rush etc. is that their songs were always built around the emotion, not the instruments, whereas the other prog bands were usually vice versa (some very tops exceptions with Genesis, however). The emotion is always the trump card, and you cannot beat WYWH in that regard.



I defs won't deny that Echoes set the marker for most of what they achieved afterwards and it's pretty likely DSOTM, Animals and WYWH would never have been made without Echoes. That fact alone doesn't make it better than the latter for me, though



tl;dr remember when you were young you shone like the sun

Album Rating: 5.0

i think the meandering is on purpose and not over done and is still in the pure psychedelic rock style



i think the song as a whole is tightly written and composed



like i said, it's just taste =) i think we see here the main difference is just we prefer the subject matter of one over the other slightly, as well i always lean towards the psyc rock style (check dat pie chart)



cheers

Album Rating: 5.0

i also wonder if they gave some of the piles of money they profited off of a tribute to syd, to syd



would make the whole thing seem more genuine innit

Album Rating: 4.0

Might be on purpose, might just be them not pulling in the reins when they probably should have, but it's still meandering at the end of the day really. I mean separately the sections are all fucking genius and I could listen to Wright and Gilmour harmonise on those lyrics for days, its just the sections themselves aren't as tight as they could be for me and don't flow as well as Shine On or Dogs' do



I love me a bit of psych rock too but yea at the end of the day I'll always go for the sentimental stuff cos that's the realest stuff of all innit



it would be a nice gesture sure, but at the same time with the way Syd lived in his later years I doubt a big stack of cash arriving at his doorstep from Gilmour or Waters would have really made much of a difference to him. Would he even have done anything with it if he'd raked in some of it? hard to say.



I feel like Gilmour, Wright and Waters helping out on Madcap and his s/t was a really nice gesture in and of itself, given how hard they were working on Floyd at the time and how incredibly difficult Syd must have been to manage at that point

Album Rating: 5.0

meh i think studying the mind and human nature and pushing the limits is more real than sentimentalism but that's just me :D



could have at least provided for his family



i know he made his commissions (and still does) from patgod but i was mostly being sarcastic about wywh and poking fun at their increasing concern for commercial success leading to division within the group

Album Rating: 5.0

do you mind explaining what you mean by meandering



as in the different sections of the song?