" You also think we should start lynching people for being nazis but you have no metric for what makes them nazis other than whether you decide they are or not."
you know this is interesting, because i've never really thought about what constitutes it. nazism isn't well defined anyway, neither is fascism, but when you have the combination of militarism, patriotism, racialism, authoritarianism, supremacism, then i allow myself to become concerned, if you will allow that!
as far as lynching people for being nazis, when someone goes to charleston, as i've said numerous times in the past, and marched as a nazi, in a nazi rally, sure, kill them. i don't see how finely you could split the hair there, if they're willingly at a nazi rally, marching with other people who identify as nazis, calling themselves nazis, is it insane if i, too, consider them a nazi? is that being too generous with the term? it's not, man

First of all, I cant express how happy it makes me that you understand what I mean about the metric.

Secondly, sure, if you're marching at a nazi rally I'd say it's pretty safe to call you a nazi. But do you genuinely think the answer is to execute that entire crowd? How does that even work, do you want civilians to kill them all and just be excused for murder if they murder the right people, or would it be the governments job to come in and open fire on the mob? That in itself is horrifyingly militant and authoritarian.

You think no one in the rally could be rehabilitated? People who believe this shit but have never actually hurt anyone? Every misguided kid from a shitty racist family? Just publically execute them all?

The fact that I find an author's philosophy interesting doesn't involve I have to share every single precept of it. Also, your equation that traditionalism=fascism is gross. You're just another product of contemporary deranged positivism that is unable to think outside the liberal-leftist schemes and calls a fascist anyone else. Poor you

Just still seems like an awfully slippery slope man

"The fact that I find an author's philosophy interesting doesn't involve I have to share every single precept of it."

Okay cool but just name-dropping a prominent philosopher within Alt-Right circles and not specifying this is not exactly the smartest move man.

"Also, you equation that traditionalism=fascism is gross. You're just another product of contemporary deranged positivism that is unable to think outside the liberal-leftist schemes and calls a fascist anyone else. Poor you"

I never said that traditionalism is fascism I said that Evolas ideas of traditionalism are inherently linked to it. And the irony of you complaining about people labelling you as a nazi while labelling me as a liberal is quite amusing.

Yeah, for someone who hasn't bothered to actually read something by the authors I named before, but instead relies on wikipedia copypastas to build his knowledge, it must seem so. Anyway, I don't give a shit. I was attacked for simply stating that using hate speech to defend human rights and to fight discriminatory ideologies is nonsense. I know what I am and what I am not, I'm not supposed to give any explanations to some accusatory morons on a music reviews web site.

This is at least becoming a lot more civil now that park is gone which is cool

Oops nvm

Yeah okay

you shouldn’t accuse me of being a moron because it hurts my feelings

Sorry I jinxed it

"I never said that traditionalism is fascism I said that Evolas ideas of traditionalism are inherently linked to it. And the irony of you complaining about people labelling you as a nazi while labelling me as a liberal is quite amusing."

What's really ironic is that you simply ignored what I stated about Evola's thought being influential to authors outside the far right, for example Aleksandr Dugin, someone that I cited as a main influence of mine and that you clearly don't know a shit about. That's exactly what a liberal-leftist would do.

you shouldn’t accuse me of being a moron because it hurts my feelings

you're probably the only one who behaved civilly, so that wasn't about you

"You think no one in the rally could be rehabilitated? People who believe this shit but have never actually hurt anyone? Every misguided kid from a shitty racist family? Just publically execute them all?"

well let me be very clear in saying that i would never vote for or toward any policy which could allow the state to kill anyone for their political alignments, that's absolutely unthinkable and obviously extremely overreaching. when i say that nazi's should be lynched, that's speaking as a cultural individual, in cultural terms, i (and you) have a responsibility to push back against neonazis, and we do that in cultural terms by creating some sort of social pressures against which potential fascist indoctrination would be prevented. i want no one to die.

being hateful of nazis is, basically, how i can fight the propagation of nazism

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"What's really ironic is that you simply ignored what I stated about Evola's thought being influential to authors outside the far right"

Okay but that doesnt disprove that hes associated and mainly praised by the far right. I dont know who Dugin is, youre right about that, but it really doesnt matter at all, Evola was still a fascist for most of his life and his ideas of traditionalism are still far-right. You can sit down and throw aside whatever you want by him but complaining about people calling you a nazi while name-dropping Evola as an influence without stating you disapprove of his influence to fascism is really dumb.

"That's exactly what a liberal-leftist would do."

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"well let me be very clear in saying that i would never vote for or toward any policy which could allow the state to kill anyone for their political alignments, that's absolutely unthinkable and obviously extremely overreaching. when i say that nazi's should be lynched, that's speaking as a cultural individual, in cultural terms, i (and you) have a responsibility to push back against neonazis, and we do that in cultural terms by creating some sort of social pressures against which potential fascist indoctrination would be prevented. i want no one to die.

being hateful of nazis is, basically, how i can fight the propagation of nazism"

See I agree 100% with the state and responsibility to put social pressure aspects of this

Make no mistake I'm obviously not down with nazism at all just because I think it's a messed up thing to wantonly accuse someone of. Accusing someone of anything that could ruin their entire life is serious shit. Let alone to say you're going to take someones life for that accusation without proof.

And I just think using the idea of "lynching" to apply social pressure against this to be super distasteful for obvious reasons

Artwork looks like Hitlers ‘tache

When I cited Faye and Dugin first, I thought I made it clear what my political views are. Dumb me for assuming people still read books in 2020 I suppose


"well let me be very clear in saying that i would never vote for or toward any policy which could allow the state to kill anyone for their political alignments, that's absolutely unthinkable and obviously extremely overreaching. when i say that nazi's should be lynched, that's speaking as a cultural individual, in cultural terms, i (and you) have a responsibility to push back against neonazis, and we do that in cultural terms by creating some sort of social pressures against which potential fascist indoctrination would be prevented. i want no one to die.

being hateful of nazis is, basically, how i can fight the propagation of nazism"

let me tell you, 99% of all the sociologist of all times would find your measures against fascism "counterproductive" to say the least