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omg snap zing.



tbh this whole 'bitch' fest has gone way over the top, yes Eric named dropped but who really gives a fuck, the whole point of sputnik is to post your OWN opinion on certain albums, and SeaA just happens to dislike this omg, guys get over it.

Album Rating: 2.0

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Album Rating: 4.5

I for one believe that Enrique's agenda has NOT been addressed yet. I mean, he has an AGENDA.

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tombits knows whats up

I don't see why people say there aren't enough points to warrant the 1.5. An album could have one flaw that reduced it to a 1 - it's not neccessarily accumulative. The points Sea makes are obviously strong criticisms, whether you agree with them or not.


@Sea - something that does confuse me... you vehemently criticised my last review for 'not backing up it's points', but then you take a similar generalised look at this album. I think my arguments were at least as realised as yours.

tbh this whole 'bitch' fest has gone way over the top, yes Eric named dropped but who really gives
a fuck, the whole point of sputnik is to post your OWN opinion on certain albums, and SeaA just
happens to dislike this omg, guys get over it

this. itt: lots of crying because somebody gave a negative review of a shitty album

lots of crying? the majority of criticism for this review is legitimate

i'm not sure why people tell others to stop arguing and 'get over it' on a discussion-focused forum. the whole point is to encourage multiple points of view and that is being expressed here

I'm seeing the same criticisms being made over and over again

basically people on this site can't handle it when one of their beloved bands gets trashed, just look
at the responses to MJ's reviews. the review isn't completely bulletproof but he does a pretty good
job of explaining his feelings towards the album. I mean, people saying he wrote this for attention?
come on, this mediocrity had three 5/5 reviews, a non-fanboy review was badly needed.


I'm not sure why DaveyBoy is criticizing this review when his own staff review of this album is a
complete joke with way more problems than this one

who cares if the same criticisms are being revamped constantly? it's a pretty blatant flaw within the review, causing people to comment on it. not everyone will read through the pages of comments here before posting their own opinions. this contributes to the overlap.

the need for reviews to be 'balanced' out is another really stupid concept

album and band is frequently touted as being a forbearer of the post hardcore genre. "possibly post
hardcores finest ever"

review takes exception to this, giving examples of bands from post hardcores past. concludes that
the genre is being watered down. Ok, big deal, get over it everyone, jeez. This isn't really aimed
at you Alachlahol, i know you were one of the first people to point out in detail what you felt was
wrong with the review.

Anyway,the main problem I would have with this is that the label "post hardcore" encompasses so many
bands and styles, i mean it's incredibly vague really. The old stuff doesn't really bear much
resemblance to the new generation of bands. The name kind of became meaningless a long time ago.
Personally i've always disliked the obsession people have with fitting bands into genres, but given
how much time i spend on Sputnik, i'm probably guilty of buying into this as well.

yeah csb, i know

with that explanation, you just highlighted the main reason for a lot of the criticism thus far doled out: why is he comparing bands with such little resemblance to Emery that it becomes inconsequential? they're in the same genre yes, but Emery shows no influential ties to those previous bands. Emery probably heard Thursday back in '01 and jumped on the modern post-hardcore bandwagon at that point

Album Rating: 5.0

only two things i'll respond to is that



1. im not going to read every page of comments, but then I also don't expect my individual gripes to be addressed (by anemone) specially for me... if they have been before, then they have been before but c'mon i'm not gonna read all 12 pages of comments



2. the whole attention-getting point: it's not such a big deal except i remember him complaining about the fallout from MJ's crusade last weekend... and this seems to be written in the same spirit.... that's just my only thing that's sorta ghey

nah dude better to just tell them they wrote good and pos

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@Sea - something that does confuse me... you vehemently criticised my last review for 'not backing up it's points', but then you take a similar generalised look at this album. I think my arguments were at least as realised as yours.

I don't understand that particular criticism. There seems to be a trend on here that says you must give an exhaustive breakdown of an album; effectively a track-by-track - just one that pretends not to be. I read a lot of professional reviews and they're always generalised with just flashes of detail. I think that allows a writer to more fully describe the feel of an album, which is infinitely better than 'The riff at 2.04 is fucking amazing!!!'

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I at least gave a fairly (or so I think) clear picture of the album. I couldn't even try to guess what this sounds like.

Actually, after reading this again I think even my review was more detailed and gave a better impression of the subject matter. And yet it sent Sea onto his period a week early.

I for one believe that Enrique's agenda has NOT been addressed yet. I mean, he has an AGENDA.

that said, i don't see all the problems others seem to be having with this review. its basic point is pretty clear: that Emery has diluted the genre of post-hardcore, betrayed it or led it astray. again, as far as Eric's supposed namedropping goes, i don't know the genre well enough to say if what he wrote was awkward

Hey guys, after some deep reflection (mostly due to solitary boredom for 8 hours today) I realized I've been kinda an asshole in the review/comments... which, while partially due to the nature of negative/popular albums, isn't all that necessary or proactive. Some of your guys' criticisms are completely valid (ConsiderP) and I'll be sure to address as many as I can. Seriously, I really appreciate you all reading and commenting, and it occurred to me that most of the disputes here are really just the result of misunderstandings that I'd like to clear up, if you'd let me. I was hoping my review would be strong enough to dispel misunderstandings like these, but obviously it's not, and I take responsibility for that.

So anyway... you guys had some great points and I'll get round to em soon enough. First I need some rest though, as 4 hours of sleep + hangover + working out in the 90 degree heat alone for 8 hours has left me a little tired.

If you feel so inclined, anyone, feel free to summarize the points of contention (because I know a lot of them were repeated) here now for me to look over, if not that's fine... I can do some thread searching.

-Sea