Album Rating: 4.0

I think dead's obsession with death is oddly the only appropriate thing about it and makes it less odd, dead is dead. dead thought of himself this way and brought it into reality sadly. it's almost like the ultimate price for a persona, but maybe that's looking into it too much and he was just an unfortunate depressed guy.

"I think you misrepresented your own argument.

also yeah Euronymous' moral compass was probably a bit askew, but it's really not that huge of a deal. People take pictures of dead people and then put them up somewhere for profit every single day. It's not really something to get that worked up about."

I mean, considering the rest of the band started distancing themselves out of disgust after he pulled this, I'd think they thought it was a pretty big deal and that it was pretty fucked up.

For example: https://prnt.sc/jypami

Also, my only real hang up on this is the fact that people get really hung up over Varg's bullshit, but rarely do they ever talk about all of the disgusting shit Euronymous did.

I mean... some members of the Black Metal scene and band were pretty sure Euronymous purposefully left Dead alone to give him a chance to kill himself.

Plus! He didn't just take pictures, he ran down to a shop to grab a camera to take the pictures before calling police, he took bits of Dead's skull and gave them to people as if it was his property, and even moved shit around which is straight up illegal.

If I was a prosecutor, I'd straight up believe Euronymous murdered Dead considering the evidence above. I'm aware he didn't but that shit just crosses a line man.

I have a hard time caring about any of it

third astral

only weird thing about this all is how intensely calligyjack is personalizing something that has nothing to do with him

I'm not personalizing anything don't condescend me.

I'm simply miffed about the absolute double standard in the Black Metal community when it comes to Euronymous as opposed to Varg, who killed him in self-defense.

See, you're conflating a community with individuals here. Like maybe somewhere you've seen someone condemning Varg, then someone else ignoring Euronymous, then conflating the two and saying, "Gah! the double standard!"

But this isn't really the same views in a microcosm, it's the views of separate individuals in a wider, overarching community.

Both of them were/are shitheads. The lvl of stink is up for debate.

Yeah neither of them are dudes I'd be friends with, but they both made great music.
I mean, the dude who fills the milk at work likes Muse and I fucking HATE Muse, but I needed milk so I bought some

Matt Bellamy could be the sweetest saint on this rock and I still wouldn't jive with his music. Separation of the artist from the art et al.

"Separation of the artist from the art et al."

Yeah, I mean I find Euronymous to be a shithead but he innovated Black Metal, he was a great musician. Perhaps I conflated the two, but it was not just one case. I've seen numerous people who praise Euronymous' ideas and such and then call Varg "Has-been racist, his music sucks reeeeee". I didn't just see a couple of instances and then jump the gun on a whim. You're probably right however.

"Both of them were/are shitheads. The lvl of stink is up for debate."

I mean... I hate to be that guy, but one person took a photo of a suicide, didn't inform the police then claimed pieces of the man's skull as his own property. The other guys says racist shit and killed someone in self-defense.

Both are shitheads in their own way, but I don't think the lvl is really up for debate.

I mean...Varg literally burned churches.

I suppose you can also tell a lot about someone's morals based on what they choose to condemn and what they choose to defend. I mean it's not like people who hate Varg but defend Euronymous are "wrong" to do so, or hypocritical. Maybe they literally just don't have moral qualms with E's actions, but do with V's.

Not entirely.

When in court Varg admitted to theft, and storage of explosives, but he maintains he never burned a single church, only supported the act of doing so.

"I am not going to say that I burnt any churches. But let me put it this way: There was one person who started it. I was not found guilty of burning the Fantoft stave church, but anyway, that was what triggered the whole thing."

-Varg

The only evidence the court could reason on was that:

A. Varg supported the burnings.

B. Varg's EP "Aske" contained a picture of one of the previously burned churches.


Personally I feel that the courts were fed up with the Black metal scene and were looking for a scapegoat to make an example of in order to make the BM scene look bad. Hell, most media outlets went so far as to describe the dude as a "boogeyman". It all feels deliberate.

or even that they're taking sides on a long dead conflict. like they're choosing football teams or something

For sure. Personally the actions of both these men are deplorable imo and as AA said I wouldn't want to be mates with either one of them.

i'm so fucking pissed off that people have a bad attitude about marcus antonius. cicero absolutely should have been proscribed.. weak flippant character that he was... drives me crazy!! LEAVE MARK ANTONY ALONE!!!!

Alright alright I fucked up no need to rub it in my face.

"The only evidence the court could reason on was that:

A. Varg supported the burnings.

B. Varg's EP "Aske" contained a picture of one of the previously burned churches."

HmmmHMHmhMhmhHMHMHhM so the only evidence of the arsonist that was charged with arson is the exclusive picture of an act of arson of one of the churches he was accused of arsonating with his arsonating arson hands of arsonitiude MHHMHHHMhHMHhMHhHMhMH but he said in a roundabout way that someone did it even if he neither confirmed it was him HHmHMHHMHMhmhBG The EvidEnce IUs UnLceLAr

I mean Astral has completely obliterated my argument so I'd say that was a fuck up.

"HmmmHMHmhMhmhHMHMHhM so the only evidence of the arsonist that was charged with arson is the exclusive picture of an act of arson of one of the churches he was accused of arsonating with his arsonating arson hands of arsonitiude MHHMHHHMhHMHhMHhHMhMH but he said in a roundabout way that someone did it even if he neither confirmed it was him HHmHMHHMHMhmhBG The EvidEnce IUs UnLceLAr "

The picture isn't of an act of arson, the picture is of the church after it has already burned down.

tru, he could have gone afterwards, i retract my smugness.

but also he totally did it