Album Rating: 4.5

nah. I like your rating. This said I also prefer Jane Doe to this but its just not as mature for better or worse

Album Rating: 2.5

Agreed Xing, AtF was a fairly drastic change & I love that record, in fact I love AWLWLB as well despite the fact it's more 'accessible' to the masses, or whatever.

Album Rating: 4.0

Jane is plenty mature imo. They'd been a band for 11 years by the time it came out and were all at least mid-20's I think. Slow and contemplative don't equal mature imo. Good songs do. That being said, having a song about your newborn child reaffirming your will to live after battling with self loathing and depression is fucking HEAVY. Music doesn't ever bring me to tears but boy that was close.

Album Rating: 2.5

Jane is plenty mature. Petitioning the Empty Sky (as an example) not so much, even though that album rules I can see why people might criticise the haphazard nature, it's a collection of songs rather than a cohesive album, essentially.

Album Rating: 4.5

I wouldn't say Jane is mature (in comparison with ATF, AWLWLB or even YFM)...they barely thought about the lyrics when recording it and some of them don't even match the actual recording...it is subliminal and kind of transcendental though...like they did something incredible without even acknowledging it and that is in fact brilliant but not mature.

Album Rating: 4.0

ALRIGHT....HOWWW can you possibly read the lyrics to Jane and say they were barely thought about?? Yeah the recording doesn't always match but that's part of the raw emotional release of Jake's vocals/performance.

Album Rating: 4.5

Sorry if expressed wrongly Million. I meant what you said.

Album Rating: 4.0

Well, I'm just saying that they definitely weren't just some flailing kids that struck lightning in a bottle without even knowing. Which I know that happens in music, but that ain't Jane Doe.



There was clearly a lot of methodology and intense thought that went into what would come out as the final product. Dude painted the cover art for goodness sake. It was a passion project, though I have no doubt that every record since has the same love put into it. Maybe not the same conviction though, just cause I feel like Jane was based around a PARTICULARLY dark part of Jake's life.

Album Rating: 4.5

I didn't said it was immature or unthoughtful... I only said "not as mature for better or worse"...but it was meant to be achieved with rawness and genuinity. So the efforts Jacob put on to be more understandable on the next albums , or even to put more influences and genres into their sound were all in vain? You don't think that can be a sign of maturity?

Album Rating: 4.0

Not in vain at all. I'm only arguing the belief that Jane is as mature as any of the later work. Or at least close enough to not warrant a "maturity" distinction.

Album Rating: 3.5

The best thing about AtF is how consistent it is.



The album has less highlights than say YFM or JD, but there's not any stinkers on there at all.

Album Rating: 4.0

I just feel like i'm contradicting everyone like an asshole over some minor point or another, but I don't think there are any stinkers on JD or YFM either.

Album Rating: 3.5

Definitely not.



I just think, with regards to actual flow, AtF is their best.



YFM and JD are better musically though, for sure.

Album Rating: 4.5

"having a song about your newborn child reaffirming your will to live after battling with self loathing and depression is fucking HEAVY. Music doesn't ever bring me to tears but boy that was close."

this is so true, and recently I found I'm going to be a dad next year, not that I'm depressive or anything like that, but these themes are hitting me harder nowadays.

Album Rating: 2.5

Under Duress is pretty cool tho

Album Rating: 4.0

the more I jam this the more I love it

Album Rating: 4.2

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Album Rating: 3.5

The new Baptists was a better converge album than this tbh but it’s still good

Album Rating: 4.5

baptists is boring

Album Rating: 4.5

this need multiple jamz to properly appreciate