@Gallantin Ha, what a coincidence, another communist auspi.

@Zaruyache Hella rad, Simone and Judith all the way.

P.S. 'rational centrism' and 'nazi bands', this thread really has descalated quicker than I thought.

as a rational centrist, i derive my very individualistic political ideology not only from rageposting brocialists on twitter but also from sjws getting owned compilation videos

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is it possible to learn this power?

@Darius The Great Who said anything about not-centrist = utmost extremity. Camouflaging conformist status quo worship with 'political pragmatism' & 'moderation' is simply cretinous. Centrists would be nazis if they lived in Germany in 1942 and worshiping Stalin if they happened to be stuck in Russia in that same year.

Besides, what's wrong with being a little extreme heh? Sometimes at least, I like my politics to be like my metal.

Perhaps, although I haven't seen anyone claim the exact things you referred to in your other comment in this thread. I have seen people dunking on centrism, which is fine, because that ideology is hot garbage, yet I've seen no one claim here: 'if you're not a fascist or a communist, you're centrist scum and therefore evil, baaaaah!".

Besides, what's wrong with being a little extreme heh? Sometimes at least, I like my politics to be like my metal.

Not wanting change =/= moderate perspective

Change is desired, but in a realistic capacity that appears more possible through compromise than with a radical perspective. That doesn't mean terrible ideologies are permitted or supported; they are openly opposed. Moderates not wanting to pick a side doesn't mean they condone extremism, it means they don't want to be a part of it and are against it.

That is at least my perspective on the issue. I'm well aware there are those that consider themselves moderate and are aggressively ambivalent. However, quite similar to the music discussed on this website, you can't always classify something with one broad catch-all definition.

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users on sputnikmusic.com have mostly garbage political views, such a shocker

This thread is a bad time

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I wonder why all the threads where politics keep getting brought up turn to shit



surely there must be some correlation

I am all for dropping the politics.

Let's do religion.

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rating this a 1 to own the liberals. we respect only men on my sputnikmusic . com >: (

@Marskid I was merely using the term 'moderation' in the context of a centrist political framework, although I certainly agree that mostly not wanting change =/= moderate perspective. I suppose it partially depends on what sort of change might satisfy you. If you're radically opposed to a certain status quo, nothing short of a systemic reconstruction of that status quo will be sufficient. Compromise and concession to power generally aren't useful tools when it comes to engendering radical societal alterations. If you cannot fundamentally remove a problem, but merely inadequately supress it, you risk fostering an environment within which that very problem can be reproduced; i.e. you cannot succesfully fight fascism by making concessions with fascists. Sometimes a radical approach is the only tenable option, I think.

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hey nerds type more will ya

@Frozencarl My bad for trying to be thorough.

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centrists and incels are the reason god sent coronavirus

Ha, Daruis's greatest fear has just become a reality.

@Memento And I understand that, and depending on the situation, sympathize with a more radical agenda. My point by the end of the day is that it's not fair to assume someone of a more moderate stance is content with the world as it is; it might just mean they are not as inclined to the political extremes demonstrated by both sides. Many goals can be accomplished through cooperation if people are willing to meet in the middle, but the increasing partisanship makes that increasingly more difficult. It fosters an environment where anyone unwilling to join the fight is automatically the enemy and deserves to be strung up, when really all that's desired is finding a stable ground between combating parties.

@MarsKid I catch your drift, although I must confess that if someone was deeply dissatisfied with a given status quo I reckon they would be inclined to demand a radical agenda to fundamentally change that modus operandi. I have some diffculty understanding how espousing a moderate attitude is fully compatible with being highly disillusioned with a status quo. Cooperation is certainly an admirable goal, however, if it requires a party to let go of their more radical agenda through compromise it can ultimately stagnate real change, especially if that change cannot be found 'in the middle'.

I feel as if terms like 'extremity' and 'radicalism' have become somewhat politically pejorative, and I find that troubling. Quite a lot of positive change, perhaps almost all of it, was done through radical resistance, be it the rejection of monarchical rule in the 18th and 19th century or civil rights. Besides, one could argue that politics is also about fostering partisanship in favour of one's own political cause, instead of disavowing one's politics in order to facilitate a compromise that merely leads to inertia.

As I explained, it's possible to be moderate and dislike the status quo. If I liked how things were, by definition I'd be a conservative. And I do admit that, situation depending, it is important to push forward change that reaches for a greater, more impressive solution than one that has to be necessarily diluted by compromise.

Given the hate demonstrated on both sides of the aisle, I don't think the connotation offered to those terms is baseless. In the context of making a significant and useful change, they shouldn't be considered insults, naturally, but in the current political theater, they describe two competing ideologies that are more concerned with drowning the other as opposed to trying to help the people.

Moderates are lost in the middle, as compromise is valued alongside necessary radical change. This means that candidates that fully embody either end of the political spectrum are not desirable.

My disillusionment arises from the fact that a balanced perspective doesn't exist, and given the trajectory we are witnessing these past years, such a view is most likely a pipe dream. In which case, I wouldn't be surprised if I assist in the fragmentation that is occurring, but I still doubt that there is much hope in doing so.