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Album Rating: 4.0
Edgy
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here we go
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Its a fun movie. Can't really say that its anything more than fun though
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@Aids I agree with you on a narrative level that the subtlety of the relationship was refreshing. It just had the unfortunate consequence of making the film's ultimate statement on love or whatever really weak. Like, I'm not a fan of how every movie has a tacked on love story, but if your movie's moral is a sweeping declaration on the power of love, developing the relationship might be the right choice. Then again, maybe the subtlety itself was fine, and the movie just didn't do it effectively enough to be compelling. Not sure there.
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With TDK, TDKR, and Inception some of my favorite movies, I was very excited to see what Nolan was going to do with inter dimensional space travel. For the first 2 hours and 20 minutes or so it was a enthralling film. The soundtrack, as mentioned, was perfect to the visuals and emotion portrayed through the IMO great acting. Headed by McConaughey, it also made me not hate Anne Hathaway so that was great. But once McConaughey entered the black hole I thought the movie fell apart for 1 simple reason. With the concept of the future humans being able to bend space and time Nolan pretty much brought time travel into the equation. Not cool. As does other time travel movies, this creates many plot holes. Why did the future humans want to save us to save our humans if they themselves were alive? Why didn't they go farther back in time to save them? Why did they make the wormhole all the way at Saturn? I could go on but the perfect ending also rubbed me the wrong way. In his last movie TDKR I thoought slightly similar about the film, the only difference being I only thought the bomb sequence and after was a joke. Anyway it's a 8.75/10 right now but I'm going to see it again this weekend so it might go down but it will probably go up a tad
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@toxin. Yeah and for a film so integrated in science and data, to go back to the love cliche that might have literally been done
a million times by now just seems weak
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"it also made me not hate Anne Hathaway so that was great"
this is blasphemy
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@Float, err I mean I don't mind the moral per se, but rather its execution. It did come off a bit generic, but that's again probably more a matter of how it was presented.
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@Aids I agree with you on a narrative level that the subtlety of the relationship was refreshing. It just had the unfortunate consequence of making the film's ultimate statement on love or whatever really weak. Like, I'm not a fan of how every movie has a tacked on love story, but if your movie's moral is a sweeping declaration on the power of love, developing the relationship might be the right choice. Then again, maybe the subtlety itself was fine, and the movie just didn't do it effectively enough to be compelling. Not sure there.
See the problem here is that you believe Cooper decided to return to Hathaway's character solely because of the power of boners. But just an argument could be made for the fact that there was nothing left for him in the world he returned to. How uncomfortable he felt sitting in the fabricated mockup of his old home. He could have just as easily gone after Hathaway because it was the only real connection he had left. The movie deals with connections across time and dimensions, why can't two people who have been through so much together not want to reconnect in such a strange and alien world that they've returned to?
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"the power of boners"
best analysis I've heard all day
but really, that's exactly why I liked the ending, it's not like he was gonna hang around with his his grandchildren who are probably older than him, is he? Christmas would be unbelievably awkward
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See the problem here is that you believe Cooper decided to return to Hathaway's character solely because of the power of boners. But just an argument could be made for the fact that there was nothing left for him in the world he returned to. How uncomfortable he felt sitting in the fabricated mockup of his old home. He could have just as easily gone after Hathaway because it was the only real connection he had left. The movie deals with connections across time and dimensions, why can't two people who have been through so much together not want to reconnect in such a strange and alien world that they've returned to?
precisely. furthermore, it's been established early on in the movie that Coop is pioneer/adventurer at heart. so setting up a colony on some distant planet (and no freed from any ties to family) is the logical thing to do.
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See the problem here is that you believe Cooper decided to return to Hathaway's character solely because of the power of boners. But just an argument could be made for the fact that there was nothing left for him in the world he returned to. How uncomfortable he felt sitting in the fabricated mockup of his old home. He could have just as easily gone after Hathaway because it was the only real connection he had left. The movie deals with connections across time and dimensions, why can't two people who have been through so much together not want to reconnect in such a strange and alien world that they've returned to?
That's a total strawman; my argument is way more nuanced than whatever nonsense interpretation you had of my opinion. I didn't argue anything about "the power of boners" nor did I argue the ending is illogical. I understand the ending on a cerebral level, so I get what you're saying at the end there. Nothing's "wrong" with the ending, and I'm not sure why you think I asserted otherwise.
What I'm arguing is that the particular "connection across time and dimensions" that is supposed to ground the narrative's thesis (Cooper and Hathaway's character) is weak and unconvincing, and so the message it has flounders as a result. I have no problem with the direction they took it (every comment I've made affirms that), but rather execution of it.
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I'm confused Aids you admitted he was a good actor just last page of this thread and now you have a deep hatred for him? Or is it both?
back in his shirtless RomCom days I really, really hated the fuck out of him and everything he stood for. obviously he is now a respectable actor, gets given interesting roles. I think he's a good actor now, definitely. I do, however, find him to be overrated. To use a sputnik analogy cause, hey why not, people treat him like a 5/5 actor when I would say he's nearer the 3.5 range. He underperforms, in this movie definitely, but in other "respectable" shows and films as well. Good, not great. Used to hate, now I think he's good but frustratingly overrated.
See the problem here is that you believe Cooper decided to return to Hathaway's character solely because of the power of boners. But just an argument could be made for the fact that there was nothing left for him in the world he returned to. How uncomfortable he felt sitting in the fabricated mockup of his old home. He could have just as easily gone after Hathaway because it was the only real connection he had left. The movie deals with connections across time and dimensions, why can't two people who have been through so much together not want to reconnect in such a strange and alien world that they've returned to?
This is spot-on. Like I said before, I think this concept was one of the very-well done things in the film. We have been hit over the head with sappy, sugary romances in virtually every blockbuster that it's hard for us to accept that there isn't some deep-seated lust between the male and female lead. There was a subtle love connection, maybe, but it was more to do with Cooper's estrangement with the fake world he returned to. Whether or not the two of them get to fucking really has nothing to do with how the film plays out.
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(had to go two comments on this bad boy)
toxin I disagree with you saying that the connection needs to be "more convincing." Why? Because you're used to "he loves me, he loves me not" type of stories? I don't see how you think Dev's comment is a strawman, he's merely saying (in his opinion) that you're overdoing it on looking for a love story, and maybe Cooper returned to Hathaway's planet simply because it felt more like home to him than the new, artificial world he was returned to. Honestly, the dimensional transcendence of gravity (and later, love) was very well done in my opinion. Not super obvious until it is spelled out, and not tacky like those things usually are. I'm not sure what you're looking for here.
Damn the more I discuss this film with you guys the more I think I really liked it. Gonna have to re-watch and re....uh...opinionate...on it later.
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"@Aids I agree with you on a narrative level that the subtlety of the relationship was refreshing. It just had the unfortunate consequence of making the film's ultimate statement on love or whatever really weak. Like, I'm not a fan of how every movie has a tacked on love story, but if your movie's moral is a sweeping declaration on the power of love, developing the relationship might be the right choice. Then again, maybe the subtlety itself was fine, and the movie just didn't do it effectively enough to be compelling. Not sure there."
this = you not thinking the love story was powerful enough
dev's comment = why that argument is moot and why you should look at it another way
don't get so defensive just because he said "the power of boners." You could see his point if you tried, it's pretty simple.
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Used to hate, now I think he's good but frustratingly overrated.
astute
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I'm gonna take the fact that the film is inspiring a lot of debate with good points on both sides as further evidence that it was a freakin good film
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just listened to the whole soundtrack while reading and writing
it's really good, but loses a bit of effectiveness without the stunning visuals of the film
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"maybe Cooper returned to Hathaway's planet simply because it felt more like home to him than the new, artificial world he was returned"
No I get that, but it's completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. That's a justification for his character's actions, and I've already agreed that his decision makes sense logically. I've never even debated that in the first place, which is why I called it a strawman. My argument has always been whether or not that relationship was resonant enough (and that doesn't mean explicit, or dedicating a lot of screentime) to justify the moral, because if you're making a movie about love transcending space and time, then you probably want instances of love to be powerful or at least convincing. I found neither of the relationships presented (Cooper and his daughter; Cooper and Hathaway's character) particularly compelling, so the theme/ message/ moral fell flat. That's my issue.
"he's merely saying (in his opinion) that you're overdoing it on looking for a love story"
If that was his main point, then apologies for misunderstanding it. That's just a matter of opinion, I think; the reason I insist on a compelling relationship (which, I reiterate, can be understated! I'm not asking for a typical Hollywood romance) is simply because the message (and thus the last act) of the movie was hard to appreciate without it being grounded by something convincing. That's the extent to the point I was making. You might disagree with me that the theme needs to be grounded in the first place, or that Hathaway's character/ Cooper weren't compelling enough to make the message work. That's fine, can't really argue on matters of opinion. But I don't think the actual nuance of my argument has been responded to yet.
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Liked the soundtrack equally as much as the film, I'd say
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