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Enotron
April 5th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

^.....Why do you speak lies? Lies that are not true?



And you don't know how happy it makes me that you like Kid A, Michael Jordan.

Thor
April 5th 2010


10384 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Can this whole review/thread just go away already

Inveigh
April 5th 2010


27012 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I find Kid A to be superior to OK Computer, but that's just me. As far as bands more of Converge's ilk, MJ, have you ever listened to Poison the Well? And specifically the album The Tropic Rot? I feel like that might be an album you could appreciate within this genre.

Enotron
April 5th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Or maybe We Are The Romans by Botch. That album works really cohesively and there is a fair amount of effort put on texture, technicality, musical.....niceness(for lack of a better word)?

Inveigh
April 5th 2010


27012 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

^yeah, but I mentioned PtW's The Tropic Rot because it has that same level of melody and borderline ambience/atmosphere that you would find on a Deftones record like White Pony, which he mentioned he liked. But We Are the Romans is killer though.

Ghostechoes
April 5th 2010


1354 Comments


Or maybe Fear Before The March Of Flames - The Always Open Mouth. I love that album.

Enotron
April 5th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

What happened to non-synchronity anyway?

Thor
April 5th 2010


10384 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I assume your opinion of the review has changed since then, Thor?


A bit, what really changed was that this wasn't really a review, but rather an essay, if that makes sense.



but really i just want this whole thing to just go away

Ire
April 5th 2010


41944 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5





























Gee
April 5th 2010


228 Comments


so i downloaded this and gave it a go seeing as everyones raving about it. to me it still sounds like a load of shite though. its the vocals i think.

luci
April 5th 2010


12844 Comments


You'll 5 star it in no time don't worry

Enotron
April 5th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

MJ, do you know how long non-synch is banned? Because I really wanna look through your ratings.

Enotron
April 6th 2010


7695 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0 | Sound Off

Well looking through your current ones, you appear to have a pretty good taste. I think you've already been asked this, but do you like anything in the vein of hardcore, emo etcetera?

sniper
April 6th 2010


19075 Comments


I think he meant more hardcore in general, not just this album.

Killed4less
April 6th 2010


328 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

Just out of my own curiousness, Mj, would you consider yourself a collectivist or an individualist, or would you say those labels are to constricting?

Killed4less
April 6th 2010


328 Comments

Album Rating: 5.0

I suppose similar to your response, I consider myself a realist. I'd consider myself an individualist firstly but the fact that humans don't live as isolates and have to interact in a society demands elements of collectivism. To me the ideal would be retaining individuality without turning into too much of a bastard. That's just my personal struggle at this point in my life though. Your criticism of Bannon utilizing the wide frequency of personal abstraction prompted my question. Are you more disappointed that Converge lifted their ideas from collective human ideas or that they simply lacked creativity as individuals?

sniper
April 6th 2010


19075 Comments


Are you more disappointed that Converge lifted their ideas from collective human ideas or that they simply lacked creativity as individuals?

^^^ fucking good question right there.

Knott-
Emeritus
April 6th 2010


10259 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Surely repeating the same mythologies would demonstrate a greater lack of creativity? That there's mystery to the situations he brings up doesn't make them irrelevant or ineffective in the slightest.



My argument about this album is that its lyrics might as well be accompanying literature rather than actual facets of the music. There's no WAY you guys are telling me you can tell what he's screaming without a lyric sheet. In that sense it's ridiculously pretentious to say really ANYTHING about the lyrics having a cathartic nature because it's almost like me inventing words to all the untitled tracks on Sigur Ros' ( ) and saying the songs are more meaningful because of it.



On the other hand the music's nature itself IS cathartic and DOES purge all of those negative emotions so... I think the record is pretty fucking awesome. But I don't think it's because of the lyrics.

shindip
April 6th 2010


3539 Comments

Album Rating: 4.0

most retarded and misguided review I have ever read

Knott-
Emeritus
April 6th 2010


10259 Comments

Album Rating: 4.5

Not knowing WHY you are saying or writing something does not mean you're doing it unconsciously. You're pretty much implying that art is only valid if produced by people with pristine, clear thought processes.



You clearly read more about art history than I do or ever intend to, but I'll just say that (even though I've already acknowledge that the lyrics here have for the most part no bearing on my appreciation of the album) if a band is capable of communicating with other flawed and irrational human beings (which they are; sorry to break it to you) through being flawed and irrational themselves, they are effective artists the way that I see it.



Last thing: If this is honestly the depth at which you consider music as it reaches your ears, or if you honestly believe that debate as intellectual as this should stop people from enjoying an album or render it (as the rating suggests) 'awful', then I don't think you hold the same ideals about music as the vast majority of human beings, even passive radio followers.



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