Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off
Yeah. Hopefully this is a long-term return.
As for which band is better, I wouldn't really compare this to Cyanotic because they're not very similar. I haven't heard Rabbit Junk yet - reccomend a starting album?
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Album Rating: 4.5
I agree that Cyanotic isn't at all similar, I just bring them up because they have a former member. Cyanotic is more straight forward industrial metal IMO.
For Rabbit Junk, I think their newest is their best. It's called This Life Is Where You Get Fucked. They have a more poppy feel to them than the Shizit. It's much less abrasive and toned down, but still very good. REframe is their second disc and that's not a bad starting point either.
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Album Rating: 4.5
I plan to write my own review in the next few days, I want to listen a few more times. I think this is a well written review, my only issue is calling this "Industrial Metal". I don't know what genre to put this in, but it's not Industrial Metal.... I'll have a better explanation in my review. well, I know this isn't your standard industrial, it has way too many hardcore elements/influences and the less-than-usual mechanic feel. Still, as i know I kind of categorized that, I did explain why and based on what did I do it. I also mentioned in the review that the exact genre is digital hardcore, but as most of the readers probably don't have any idea what that is, I took a broader approach - i didn't write this review only for the fans, I wrote it for everyone.
Anyway, i'm looking forward to reading your version.
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Album Rating: 4.5
I didn't really mean what I said as a diss, just a difference of opinion. When I do my review I think you'll see where I am coming from.
Digital Hardcore is probably the best made up genre to stick it in. It does have similarities to Alex Empire and his former band Atari Teenage Riot who I think were the inventors of digital hardcore, if it even really exists.
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really Metal? this seems like the standard metal to me. or maybe i'm wrong....
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Album Rating: 4.5
standard? naah Bloc, tis special ;)
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Industrial metal is a pretty broad term really. There is a fair distinction that can be made between say, Ministry, Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, Godflesh and Acumen Nation that usually takes diving into a hundred ridiculous subgenre labels and influences to try and comprehend.
I don't think it's a far stretch to call this industrial metal, if anything it seems to have more of a modern metalcore influence over it then say what something like trash metal and the sort of early 90's style of alternative metal that grew from it would have had back in the day. That may be selling it short, but it sounds that way to me a little.
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yeah, this is totally industrial metal guys. although i've never heard of the term "digital hardcore."
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Album Rating: 4.5
Meatplow is spot on with his comment and that's exactly the kind of logic I wrote this review with
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It's what the band has labelled themselves. I like it and I think it suits the band but it doesn't necessarily make it a valid term, you could pretty much create a new genre for a lot of groups providing they aren't completely generic and have a shade of influence here and there that elevates them from mere coldwave to post-coldwave EBM influenced neofolk or something. I call it digital folk.
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true, i never thought about the strong modern metalcore sound this album has. that's a good point to consider when trying to classify the album's genre.
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Album Rating: 4.5
So is anyone here familiar with Atari Teenage Riot or Alec Empire? Because the Shizit borrows more from them than anyone else.
The reason I don't see this as industrial metal is when I look at the genre you have a lot of different bands with a lot of different sounds, but a lot of similarities as well. You have Fear Factory who uses synthetics to give a sci-fi vibe to their music. Ministry, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy, Laibach all use synthetics to give their music layers upon layers of sound that are abrasive or sometimes even poppy (in the case of KMFDM)...
The reason I see the Shizit as different is because they are using (well, not so much with this, but their past releases) electronic elements that are closer to dance music than they are to EBM, Industrial or any other similar genre. Their early work contained a lot of drum & bass, gabber and even some trance elements here and there. They were the first band that took real "dance" music and mixed metal over the top of it to such success.
It's fine to call it industrial metal, but I think that I love these guys so much that I think they deserve the distinction of their own thing. I've always thought they were different enough from the Minitry's or Fear Factory's that to lump them in together is a slight disservice to the Shizit. I think that's because I am a bit of a fan boy, so that might not be realistic.
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Album Rating: 4.5
It's fine to call it industrial metal, but I think that I love these guys so much that I think they deserve the distinction of their own thing. pretty much this thing in a nutshell ;). It's fine to call this industrial metal, it's just a matter how far into subgenres one wishes to go. I for one looked to keep it so that other people would get me better.
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The reason I see the Shizit as different is because they are using (well, not so much with this, but their past releases) electronic elements that are closer to dance music than they are to EBM, Industrial or any other similar genre. Their early work contained a lot of drum & bass, gabber and even some trance elements here and there. They were the first band that took real "dance" music and mixed metal over the top of it to such success.
I don't know just how real dance music must get in industrial before it escapes the EBM tag and isn't industrial anymore, and I am unfamiliar with the groups earlier work but regarding this album at the very least I hear one very dominant side and that is in the industrial metal influence.
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Album Rating: 4.5
I think the Shizit is the line, they get into the dance genres far enough that they can be separated from industrial.
It's really all just semantics. Whatever you want to call it or what I want to call it, it's fucking amazing stuff. I also think that everyone has presented great opinions on why this can be industrial metal, but might go a little deeper than that as well.
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I see. I was actually considering this problem reviewing Numb's Blood Meridian yesterday, if you are familiar with the album. The very first song on it has a strong psytrance influence.
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=33342
Trey asked me to review this probably a year ago. You would probably like this Magnus.
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Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off
Meatplow, the older albums have a huge drum&bass influence (and a bit of Gaber too). Despite that, the most broad catagory (the one that the most could read and comprehend) is still industrial metal. There's always going to be 100 subgenres and the majority will have no idea what they sound like when they read them.
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Album Rating: 4.5
yeah, a nice thread going on. Just to close it up, I do get your dance/ drum & bass comparisons and influences, but imo, if you compare it to other industrial acts that also have these influences (for example: Celldweller, Blue Stahli, technophobia), they are more mixed into the overall industrial metal wrapper in this release. Granted, I am yet to hear their debut so I can't argue about that, but as far as this album goes, industrial is a correct term, it's just, like you said, a matter of semantics of how far into sub-genres and influences one wishes to delve.
okay, thanks Plow, i'll check it out in the coming days.
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Yeah, i'm glad this has got the promotion it did.
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Album Rating: 4.0 | Sound Off
There's a quick blog about this review on the Shizit Myspace page too.
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