combustion07: Kratom Recs and Leftover Crack

combustion07 11.02.19	Gimme your knowledge
hal1ax 11.02.19	white maeng da white borneo white malaysian red thai red bali greens don't work very well for me. sometimes if i fold them into a white vein dose it'll do something interesting but for the most part i either dose straight white or 2:1 or 1:1 white:red
hal1ax 11.02.19	this site has some of the best kratom i've had https://www.happyhippoherbals.com/ the theme or whatever is fucking dumb but they have upper-echelon product
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Fuck kratom dude. I was hooked for eight years taking 50-75 grams/day. Became an emotionless zombie, tried to actively quit for four years and could NOT fucking stop. Had to get on suboxone (which I’m currently slowly tapering down). I dunno man, like any drug, it varies depending on the person. I have an extremely addictive personality and the availability of it just fucked be over. Aside from ordering online, there were three places within walking distance where I could get it. Just be careful dude. It’s not as mild and harmless as it’s purported to be. I know this through personal experience, which trumps the as mild as coffee bullshit. Don’t start taking it everyday. Now I feel like a fucking hypocrite, but the absolute best company to get kratom from us First Coast Tea Co. The absolute best of the best. Cheap, potent as fuck and customer service is impeccable.
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Greens were always my favorites. Best of both worlds — energy and relaxation. Some reds were ok but kinda boring. Whites never did much for me.
Observer 11.02.19	Malay for me, and Larkin speaks wisdom. once or twice a week use tops is healthiest/ most effective. Also works extremely well with phenibut.
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Oh god, don’t get me started on phenibut lol. It’s insane, but I was taking 15-17 grams a day for a little over a year. I know it seems crazy but you’d be surprised by how much tolerance builds. Had to get the help of a psychiatrist to get off (was addicted to phen and kratom at the same time — kicked phenibut, then kratom). I tapered phenibut for a fucking year with the help of Wellbutrin, gabapentin and baclofen. It was hell. The depression was just unreal. Serious suicidal thoughts almost every day. Just be careful! Again I have an extremely addictive personality and should have known better in the first place. That said, yes — kratom and phenibut are pretty orgasmic together. That’s why I got hooked on Phen. Because I discovered how awesome it was combined with kratom.
hal1ax 11.02.19	50+ a day is absolutely massive. I take like 8g a day... lol. And I’ve been through suboxone, heroin, fentanyl, etc. Suboxone is way way way stronger than kratom dude. Have no idea why you would use a stronger substance as a weening mechanic.
Observer 11.02.19	Small world. Fortunately, i only take phenibut once a week because ive heard stories like yours and thankfully ive listened. I do need to taper my kratom usage down however. Withdrawal for both is definitely a real thing.
SlothcoreSam 11.02.19	Fuck'n love Leftover Crack, the band that is.
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Because it’s the only way I was able to quit. I’m very slowly tapering down with the help of my psychiatrist so it’ll be pretty painless. I definitely wouldn’t quit kratom using subs on my own though. Kratom is stronger than it feels dude. It has an anti depressant component to the wd that makes it especially hellish to quit. Heroin sucks for a week but then it’s mostly over. Kratom PAWS lasts for fucking months. You feel extremely depressed, anxiety, fatigue etc. That’s because of the anti depressant component withdrawal. It’s been much easier tapering subs than trying to taper k. I think subs are absolutely a good solution for quitting kratom, but only with high dose long term users who are chronic relapsers raises hand
Observer 11.02.19	And damn, larkin 15-17 grams of phenibut a day? like taking more than 2 grams A WEEK is a no go. Holy shit, man. Props to you for working through it.
hal1ax 11.02.19	Hm well good for you dude. Maybe kratom is different at super high doses... because I take like a week off every couple months and the withdrawals are cake. Feels like I have the flu for 3-4 days. Ive had heroin and sub kicks where I couldn’t even walk a block to buy cigarettes for 2+ weeks lol
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Re phenibut: I know bro. I don’t say it proudly. I’m just illustrating how quickly and crazily it can spiral out of control due to the rapid tolerance increase. There were days I just kept dumping spoons in my mouth throughout the day without measuring, probably hitting 30 grams sometimes. There were days I was literally nodding off standing up in front of my wife and kids like I was on heroin. I’d nod off and fall asleep while STANDING. Crazy.
hal1ax 11.02.19	Ya that’s hardcore haha. I barely take any and it sort of just gives me a little energy + mood boost for a few hours. Good on you for figuring your shit out though. Shit is no joke.
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Hal1ax, yeah I’m not surprised you have no issues with it then. It’s really not bad if you can moderate your usage. But since it’s addictive, lots of people end up increasing dosage etc and it progresses from there. It’s actually a pretty insidious drug. I had no idea how addicted I was until it was too late. It took about 3-4 months of me taking it daily to feel any wds, and then it was only extreme fatigue. Once I hit a year+ use is when withdrawals got really bad. Keep it where you are and you’ll be totally fine man!
Larkinhill 11.02.19	ow bro. I don’t say it proudly. I’m just illustrating how quickly and crazily it can spiral out of control due to the rapid tolerance increase. There were days I just kept dumping spoons in my mouth throughout the day without measuring, probably hitting 30 grams sometimes. There were days I was literally nodding off standing up in front of my wife and kids like I was on heroin. I’d nod off and fall asleep while STANDING. Crazy Just to be clear, I’m talking about phenibut here. Never really nodded off on kratom.
theYearis1999 11.02.19	kratom + weed
combustion07 11.02.19	I'm gonna try to be careful with it for sure but I tried suboxone August of last year and after a few months on it I was convinced it was the devil and quit cold turkey. Withdrawal worse than just straight off opiates by far for me. I stayed clean from November 4th to February 11th then the one friend I kept around got gunned down in his driveway after asking if he coule buy my gun and I went right back to it. H has it's grip here fully now and the kratom has really made the transition easy but I could see a downward spiral because of the accessibility. I'm going to keep a strict eye on how I'm dosing though and try to ween off because after 14 years of blowing money on something that doesn't even feel good anymore I can't keep going that route. I made a 5 oz order from The Kratom King because a friend recommended it. Anybody familiar with them? I'm about to go read the rest of these comments. Just got caught up on the first few
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Kratom actually dulled weed and alcohol for me. Found them much more enjoyable again after I quit kratom. Kratom does combine fantastically with phenibut. Does not mesh with LSD, shrooms or MDMA either.
Observer 11.02.19	Lol, so yes Kratom, be careful. Good reason the FDA wants (in many cases should) regulate it.
combustion07 11.02.19	Damn after reading these comments it almost seems like I should just get a bottle of percs and ween that way lol. Know it wouldn't work like that though
combustion07 11.02.19	Now I'm gonna research phen. Never heard of it. Almost ordered from HappyHippo got them bookmarked
theYearis1999 11.02.19	kratom isn't that bad just drink tons of water while youre doing it in any quantity. don't make it a habit and you'll be fine. it shouldn't be underestimated though but i think that can be said with any drug.
Larkinhill 11.02.19	Order phenibut from Liftmode. I honestly would only get it from them.
Larkinhill 11.02.19	I made a 5 oz order from The Kratom King because a friend recommended it. Anybody familiar with them? Sadly, they’re shit. It’s a starter kratom company because it’s basically the first that pops up if you google buy kratom. I’m telling you man. First Coast Tea Co (formerly Socal Herbal Remedies, but they relocated to Florida). You need no other company man. It’s owned by two brothers who I consider friends. Incredible customer service dude. You can directly email the owner and he gets back to you within an hour. The best kratom you can find. A quarter kilo (250 grams) for $25, and its incredible stuff.
hal1ax 11.02.19	na man, weening with kratom is going to be better than with anything else. like larkin said, just be conscious of your dosages. i would suggest doses under 10g, no more than x2 per day, and, what helped me a lot was to switch up the strain combinations a lot. it's easy to build tolerances to specific strains / colored veins. i would approach it more ephemerally too; don't think about it like maintenance but like a ramp-down. try to set dates to drop dosage volumes and just take it slow. i agree with you about the subs though. out of all of my kicks, my sub kick was by far the worst. was suicidal for like 3 months.. i was on like 8g a day for like 1.5 years tho.. which is dumb as fuck.
combustion07 11.02.19	Definitely gonna do an order through Happy Hippo and First Coast next payday. Wish I would have posted here before I made my tkk order. But yeah I was more just joking about the weening off with percs thing. Honestly doing it that way the withdrawal is shortest it seems but just feeling like I need something in that short time normally someone will hit me up and I get sucked right back in
BAT 11.02.19	gawd damn larkinhill 15gs+ of phenibut in a day? 1g+ gives me a 2/3rd chance of spewing acid the next day. fav kratom strains probably white borneo, perfect blend of mellowness/uppity/sliightly tolerable taste. i doo recommend using a scale to track your habbit, afterawhile its easy to just do like 10g+ doses multiple times a day buuut complete waste of money. phenibuts solid for going out/friends/ect, juust dont do it more than 2 times a week annnd ive heard 5+g doses can cause fatty liver degeneration. 2-3g is p funn thoo, i usually do like .7-2 if im going to a concert or someshit. tums on deck. almost on like 3 years of not really drinking annnd it's nice. "enhanciosa" accepts cards and does 250 for 30 bucks free shipp, id usually grab from gaiaethno but theyre card processsings day to day. editt : while i have mixed krate/pheni manytimes i have had a panic attack on both despite taking way less than i normally wouldve, i hadda trigger tho but i doubt they helped
Larkinhill 11.03.19	. i agree with you about the subs though. out of all of my kicks, my sub kick was by far the worst. was suicidal for like 3 months.. i was on like 8g a day for like 1.5 years tho.. which is dumb as fuck Damn dude, you gotta taper it slow as fuck. I’ve been on for about 2 1/2 months and started tapering down last week. It’s going to be a six month long taper down (suggested by my psychiatrist— he specializes in addiction medicine and is with UCLA, so he’s legit). That’ll put me on a total of nine months, which I’m cool with. Wanted it to be less than a year. I’d rather be on longer and taper properly than be on less time, but taper too drastically. Trying to avoid paws depression like you had. I already have depression so opiate abs kratom withdrawal is especially sinister for me.
combustion07 11.03.19	If you can taper right subs probably won't be too bad. Here they don't want you to taper though they just want your money. They had a lady at my meetings who'd been taking 24mgs of strips a day for 8 years and woupd straight up try to scare people out of the idea of tapering
Trophycase 11.03.19	Did it a couple times, was mildly enjoyable but found it strange how much I felt like doing it again despite it being only alright.
hal1ax 11.03.19	ya dude most doctors don't give a fuck about you. my doctor used to discourage the idea of tapering when i would bring it up lol. then one day i just went cold turkey and it fucking sucked but, yea, those things are stronger than you'd think. i'd recommend no more than 6-9 months, with a taper
Larkinhill 11.03.19	They had a lady at my meetings who'd been taking 24mgs of strips a day for 8 years and woupd straight up try to scare people out of the idea of tapering FUCK. THAT. At that point, subs for life lol.
Larkinhill 11.03.19	ut, yea, those things are stronger than you'd think. i'd recommend no more than 6-9 months, with a taper Yeah man that’s exactly what I’m doing. Three months at 16 mgs, and now I’m tapering down 2 mgs a month. When I get to 2 mgs, we’ll shave off small increments at a time. I’ve heard that going from 2 to 0 is the worst part of the taper, while going from 16 to 4 or so is much easier.
Avagantamos 11.03.19	my favorite type of kratom is actually a blend called 8-in-1 that I order from MitraGaia (FKA gaiaethnobotanical). It's got red, green, and white maeng da, as well as a few others I can't remembe, but you get a bit of everything from it which is nice. I'm also a fan of their Green Dragon blend
Avagantamos 11.03.19	also, are you buying capsules or straight powder? i buy powder since it's a better deal and mix it into some OJ. it tastes bad but tbh I feel like it keeps me from doing it more than a couple times a week.
combustion07 11.04.19	I was getting caps from the smoke shop near me but I just got my Kratom King order of powder. It's better than the gas station stuff for sure. I was breaking open the caps though
Larkinhill 11.04.19	Yeah gas station stuff ranges from completely useless and devoid of any euphoria, to average at best. TKK is pretty average, but I remember them having a few useless strains. What did you order? It was either bali or Maeng da that I remember being their best. But trust me dude, there is way better out there. First Coast Tea Co. Potent as hell. You’ll definitely need to lower your dose.
TheSupernatural 11.04.19	I don't understand why people fuck with these kinds of drugs like they're an everyday thing and expecting to get on with their lives. You're throwing loads of chemicals into your body that it wants to have, but it's too much of a good thing. I've played with kratom a few times, low doses (3-4g) mixed in lemonade, and it basically just felt like an energy drink with a shorter rush. Might be that I just didn't have great stuff but I don't really understand what the appeal of it is over caffeine, especially when you factor in the dirt taste of it.
combustion07 11.05.19	@Larkin I got 4 oz of the Red Bali and 1 oz of Green Elephant. Only really tried the Bali so far but it's nice. Definitely going to give First Coast a shot payday though @Supernatural not doing it for fun or anything mainly giving it a shot for opiate withdrawals because my job is too demanding for me to be rundown and still productive at work.
Larkinhill 11.05.19	Might be that I just didn't have great stuff but I don't really understand what the appeal of it is over caffeine, especially when you factor in the dirt taste of it. I would say not might be, but is why. Good kratom feels like a low oxy dose (in that its a definite and unmistakable opiate effect coupled with some energy, same way oxy feels but just a little milder).
hexfix93 11.05.19	"Yeah man that’s exactly what I’m doing. Three months at 16 mgs, and now I’m tapering down 2 mgs a month. When I get to 2 mgs, we’ll shave off small increments at a time. I’ve heard that going from 2 to 0 is the worst part of the taper, while going from 16 to 4 or so is much easier." Good way to taper, but shit, 16mg of Suboxone for Kratom? I've been on 16mg for ~6 years for a really bad Oxymorphone habit. That's a crazy high dose lol, it doesn't always feel like it especially since on maintenance you don't feel high from sub, but buprenorphine is 50 times more potent than morphine, only half as potent as fentanyl. Crazy strong stuff lol. Doctors don't care though, the first doc I called way back then, their office told me they'd start me on 32mg / day without even asking how much I was taking or how long. All out of pocket too so I went to a different doc. E: Nevermind, you just said you were on 16mg for 3 months lol so asking how long is redundant. Was just curious, I tried tapering before but I wasn't really ready and I had some pretty nasty w/d. I'm kinda kicking myself for being on it so long, but oh well lol. It's definitely once you get to the lower doses it sucks. Although cutting my dose in half from 16 to 8 (usually you'd cut back by ~4mg at first) gave me some nasty ass w/d after a week.
Larkinhill 11.05.19	I hear you on the high dose, but I very gradually increased to this dose. Tbh I felt like complete shit until I got to 16 mgs. But I was taking obscenely high doses of kratom for eight years. Mitragynine is also potent as fuck. Only been on subs for about 2 1/2 months. I want to make sure I’m on less than a year so by starting the taper now dropping 2 mgs a month, I’ll be off in about six months. So about nine months on subs total. Not too bad.
Larkinhill 11.05.19	Don’t beat yourself up for being on subs that long. No shame in it man, better than relapsing. You can always taper super, super slow and avoid most wd and paws. Like taper for a year dude. No rush at all. If you taper slow enough, you’ll barely notice anything.
hexfix93 11.05.19	Yeah my bad, I just edited my post cuz I re-read the 3 months thing lmao. The 16mg just caught me off guard because that's standard for heroin and such. Even with oxymorphone (a good bit more potent than H) I was comfortable with 16mg. How much Kratom were you taking? I kinda think a lot of it has to do with individual reactions to sub too, just because I've seen some people who were using H be completely fine on ~4mg of bupe and others using it but needing a lot more. Of course, that's not to downplay the effects of Kratom, I think far too many people underestimate it. I was just curious though, I hear a lot of diff things about tapering (esp in terms of that final jump) so I kind of wonder what I'm in for when I actually get off. I got down to 2mg before but had to go right back up lol. Good luck with your taper though. Also, a lot of people say Gabapentin helps with opioid w/d and many say it helped them get off subs, so it might be useful to take that temporarily if you have any problems jumping off.
hexfix93 11.05.19	For sure, honestly I kinda needed it anyway. All my friends were doing shit, I'd cut people off then other friends started using. I probably would've relapsed a long time ago if I got off of it. But yeah I def plan on going crazy slow when I do taper. I'm probably going to cut my dose down to ~8mg for a while before I actually taper completely, not sure how much help it will be but can't hurt lol
combustion07 11.05.19	I went from 12mg one day to 4 the next then quit but withdrawals were crazy bad for awhile and then a crazy depression for about 3 months (literally eyes watering from the moment I woke up to going to sleep, and I'm no crier) I'd recommend the taper for sure. Not sure if I'd span it out so long though because either way you're going to have to rip off the band aid eventually and I feel like the longer your body is getting it the tougher getting it out will be
hexfix93 11.05.19	Yeah that's how I felt going from 16 to 8 in one drop. I was fine for a few days but I woke up day 5 aching, sweating etc. and all downhill from there. I didn't have to tough it out though, I just said fuck it and took two strips lol. I def agree that you're gonna have to "rip the band aid off" eventually. I do think longer tapers can help you get used to lower doses and make the process easier, but regardless you're gonna have to jump off at some point. Of course, if it's too rapid then it's gonna be bad, but there's no real reason to drag it on longer than it needs to be. I think decreasing your dose every 10 days is good, given bupe's long half-life. No idea when I'm gonna taper though. I don't wanna be on the shit for 10 years but only 4 years to go lol
Larkinhill 11.06.19	Also, a lot of people say Gabapentin helps with opioid w/d and many say it helped them get off subs, so it might be useful to take that temporarily if you have any problems jumping off. Thanks man, you too. I was taking anywhere between 50-100 grams of kratom a day for eight years to answer your previous question. And unfortunately, I’m already prescribed 1800 mgs gabapentin a day. Was started on it at the beginning of my year long phenibut taper. Planning on tapering off the gaba after getting off subs. My psychiatrist did say the gabapentin is doing more good than harm right now as far as helping with wds.
combustion07 11.15.19	Does First Coast still have kratom. Went on there and couldn't find it
hal1ax 11.15.19	don't even fuck with that. this site is running a sale rn on their white malaysian which is grade A+ trustt https://www.happyhippoherbals.com/white-malay-kratom
Larkinhill 11.15.19	Dude First Coast is infinitely better than happy hippo lol. Have had both. Combustion — type “Speciosa” in to the search engine and the kratom listings will show up man.
Larkinhill 11.15.19	Yep, just double checked and they have plenty in stock. Just do that search.
Intothepit 11.15.19	Why does it not surprise me that you would use Kratom?
Larkinhill 11.15.19	Haha, I don’t know why it doesn’t surprise you, boo. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking it if it’s in moderation. But I don’t take it anymore FTR.
Larkinhill 11.15.19	this site is running a sale rn on their white malaysian which is grade A+ To be fair, I never actually tried their white Malay. Whites never did that much for me so I usually passed on them.
hal1ax 11.15.19	Oh ya whites are the only varietal that work on me. Maybe HHH just has good whites ? Idk. They’ve been the most consistent for me so far though.
Larkinhill 11.15.19	Greens have always been my favorites. Best of both worlds as it’s in the middle of the spectrum. Reds can be good but are very inconsistent for me. And whites rarely work for me.
hal1ax 11.15.19	by first coast are you referring to this site? https://www.coastlinekratom.com/ cuz that shit is crazy expensive. 100g is $75... lol
Larkinhill 11.15.19	Nope, First Coast sells 1/4 kilos for $25. And it’s the best kratom you’ll find. https://www.firstcoastteaco.com/
hal1ax 11.15.19	oh damn. i haven't tried that actually. i'll check em, thanks
combustion07 11.15.19	The reds have been my favorite by far. Ordered some Borneo and Thai from first coast and white malay from hhh. Definitely giving both a shot