AllGabrielsAreGlass
12.24.12 | Get outside man, life's too short. |
slipnslide
12.24.12 | A fourth reason: Not everyone is christian
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slipnslide
12.24.12 | Get outside man, life's too short [2] |
Shimana
12.24.12 | Only people who hate, would care to write this. Also, there are approx 2.5 bill Christians. |
Calc
12.24.12 | list = pointless and self assuring. |
Trebor.
12.24.12 | They moved the birth of Jesus to december to fuck with the pagans, most christmas traditions are pagan, like who the fuck thinks putting a tree in your house has anything to do with christianity
It's all bullshit |
MiniatureHorse
12.24.12 | I believe in the fat lard-ass that brings me clothes and gifts, not Christmas. |
OnlyAnchors
12.24.12 | i mean i dont believe in all that jebus mumbo jumbo but you just sound like a huge douche to me. maybe youre one of those "intense" dudes idk |
MiniatureHorse
12.24.12 | Santa Clause, guys. Santa Clause. |
Cygnatti
12.24.12 | 5th reason: christmas is about as secular as they come. no one gives a fuck about jesus' birthday anymore, it's all about dem gifts. |
FadedSun
12.24.12 | Weird. Were you the one giving out this exact same information on pieces of paper in the Boston subway? |
Trebor.
12.24.12 | It's all about being with your family and spreading cheer and good will and stuff |
MiniatureHorse
12.24.12 | And about Santa Clause, Eggnog and more Santa Clause. |
Funeralopolis
12.24.12 | Get outside man, life's too short [2]
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MiniatureHorse
12.24.12 | And watching Roseanne marathons. (Yeah, I do that on Christmas Eve every year. So, what?) |
Funeralopolis
12.24.12 | Nobody actually cares about the Christian bit of Christmas, it is all about family and culture and presents and being nice. It is so far gone from its original meaning and has changed over the years so many times that you can only accept it for what it is. |
SeaAnemone
12.24.12 | but presents |
dawija1017
12.24.12 | Yeahhh pretty sure a lot people don't celebrate Christmas for the religious aspect... only celebrate it because it's a dedicated day to giving other people things.. |
dawija1017
12.24.12 | your cold, bitter mind must be so hateful because of the lack of giving |
ZilbelPing
12.24.12 | "It's all about being with your family and spreading cheer and good will and stuff"
basically this. Just be happy with your family and be grateful.
and eat |
slipnslide
12.24.12 | sputniks jimmies=rustled |
gosk8n
12.24.12 | 6th reason: Jehovah Witness :) |
JohnnyoftheWell
12.24.12 | tl;dr
BORING |
ZombieParty
12.24.12 | Christmas is all about food and presents, i think i'll keep celebrating it thanks. |
dawija1017
12.24.12 | Giving presents to your friends and family, is considered celebrating Christmas, in my book. |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | 7th reason: Most people are a bunch of spoiled, greedy assholes who don't contribute anything to society but feel some
sort of entitlement to everything.
If anything its about being nice to those less fortunate and enjoying the company of the people you love and maybe about
the decorations and stuff. If you think it's about the "presents" you probably don't deserve any. |
gosk8n
12.24.12 | @ClemintineBree
yep |
dawija1017
12.24.12 | "one should not have to wait for a certain man-made holiday to give things to their loved ones" lol what makes you think nobody gives without it being Christmas? are you just ignorant or a bitter asshole |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | Doesn't anyone ever wonder why other religions have holidays and special days but they don't have excessive shopping, absolute brainwashed zombies at every mall and store? Only Xmas.
Says a lot about our society and their priorities. |
dawija1017
12.24.12 | whatever man, I hope your bitter dampening of others holiday spirit eventually makes your depressing mindset realize why people actually celebrate this holiday. cheers. |
sniper
12.24.12 | stupidest list in years |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | It's not a stupid list at all. It invokes conversation and varying opinions... |
sniper
12.24.12 | for fucks sake this is a music website gtfo |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | Yes it is, but its also a community of people who enjoy discussing other topics with each other, instead of seeking other forums.
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ApplicationToHeaven
12.24.12 | since when did christmas have anything to do with jesus??????????????? |
dawija1017
12.24.12 | Enjoy preaching conflicting opinions to cause a negative uproar is more like it |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | My gosh, people may have opinions that conflict with the little fairy tale you live in?
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ApplicationToHeaven
12.24.12 | god is fake |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | It depends on what your definition of God is. Some people consider the sun as God. Some consider Earth as God. |
Calc
12.24.12 | The list is stupid because its essentially regurgitating crap found on "lookhowsmartiam.com" and anyone who's been here for a week knows talking about anything christian will bring out all the "God is fake I'm so enlightened and everyone else is living in myth" people. |
eleventhsun
12.24.12 | Its always going to be a debate though Calc. Until people become humble and realize that there is so much we don't know and can't know yet. |
eleventhsun
12.25.12 | I hope your not digging for an oppurtunity to use the "you can't see air but you know it's there" argument. If so, we can see air.
I think it's more the illogicality of the God idea and the definition, ignorant humans have given us of God. |
Wolfhorde
12.25.12 | "The list is stupid because its essentially regurgitating crap found on "lookhowsmartiam.com"
Basically this. This is a typical smartass drag crap that nobody actually cares about.
Oh, by the way: It's completely irrelevant whether we'd celebrate Christmas or any other pagan fest like Yule or the Roman one (however it's called) since the core of those festivities (presents, togetherness, families, festive atmosphere) are vaguely the same. So yeah, suck on that. Also, the majority of people doesn't give a fuck about the religious aspect. |
Sleaper
12.25.12 | im not religious what so ever..
but who can argue against a public holiday, food, presents and alcohol. |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | youre pretty much dumb if you believe in god, yeah [2] religion = roadblock to evolution |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | rename to Presents-mas please |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | spirituality is different than religion bro |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | lol its pretty ignorant to say that if you believe in a religion you are dumb. |
North0House2
12.25.12 | Thank you for posting this.
Yeah, haven't celebrated any of this crap for like 4 years.
Historically, Jesus (which is just an English translation of his name, so even that isn't quite accurate) was born most likely in October because the word "manger" in Hebrew is actually "booth" which correlates with the 'Festival of Booths' also known as 'Sukkot' which occurs the first week of October.
Also, the 25th is a pagan day. Traditionally, sun worshipers would celebrate the birth/reincarnation of their god-Mythra. Constantine, a sun worshiping pagan until the day he died, officially announced that the early Christians (which they probably didn't identify as in the first place, they were more along the lines of Hebrew/Judaic customs) were to celebrate Christ's (not his name, again... Just a Roman word) birth on the 25th along with the pagans to "centralize" it all. Yet, many Christians boldly claim Constantine "saved the faith."
It's funny, really... and kinda sad. People need to do more research instead of just blindly accepting everything.
Also, in other parts of Europe, the Christmas Tree was used as a sign of fertility this time of year... It's apparently sort of shaped like a phallus, so that's why they chose it.
ALSO, JUST FOR KICKS. LOOK AT THE VATICAN FROM GOOGLE MAPS. IT'S SHAPED LIKE A PENIS LOL.
okay, I'm done now. |
North0House2
12.25.12 | lol its pretty ignorant to say that if you believe in a religion you are dumb. [2]
Granted, I'm not religious anymore. But this so hard. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | @JesusHitler, to assume that everyone that believes in a religion is dumb or ignorant for that matter is both arrogant and ignorant in its own right. Many people with strong religious beliefs are extremely intelligent people. Don't be stupid. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | this guy is being perfectly civil you guys are dicks omg people have different beliefs durrrr |
climactic
12.25.12 | "this wasn't meant to be a religious debating thread but since you mentioned it can you prove that God is fake? is it because you can't see him?"
lol |
North0House2
12.25.12 | Did you guys look at the penis Vatican yet? |
climactic
12.25.12 | yea i just saw it lol |
climactic
12.25.12 | pretty fitting shape imo |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Many that strongly believe in a religion have done as much if not more research than I'm sure you have. It's a personal thing. Some people have a personal experience, C.S. Lewis for example, that gives them faith in a religions. To say C.S. Lewis is dumb or stupid is an outrageous claim. You have your personal beliefs but pushing them on people like this makes you no better than the pushy christians who want everyone to believe what they do. You have some kind of belief that everything you believe is correct without fault when no one will know until we die and are in the ground. You are no more inclined to correctness in your belief than anyone else with varying beliefs. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Well so do you. It hasn't been proven it's wrong so everyone is dumb then I guess. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | religion doesn't ruin the world its idiots who believe they are better than others |
jesuslover46
12.25.12 | sweet |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | If God can do anything, can He make a mountain which is too heavy for Him to lift?
1.God can do anything.
2.God can make a mountain (because of fact 1).
3.God can lift anything (because of fact 1).
4.God cannot lift the mountain.
Facts 1, 2 and 3 must always be true. Now we must see if fact 4 is true or false:
If 4 is true, then 3 must be false, right? |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Just because non-belief is the default position it doesn't mean its correct |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | What is the difference in believing that something is wrong and having a lack of belief. You still have no proof. If you have a lack of belief you think you would care less if people believed or not. |
North0House2
12.25.12 | No one side can be proven as absolute fact.
Just saying. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | ^exactly my point |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | God existed prior to the existence of something that can make it "prior" ...he then proceeded to create the thing in which he existed prior to it being created =/ |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | 1. God is omniscient.
2. Humans have free will.
3. If 1 is true God knows what your going to do before you do it.
4. If 1 and 3 are true than 2 is false.
5. If 2 is true than 1 and 3 are false. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Dawija if a god did exist he probably wouldnt melt like the witch of the west when faced with a paradox. It proves nothing, those logic problems are simply an example to explain non-belief. It doesn't prove non-existence. If a god did exist none of your examples would mean shit. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | "God" as most would define it, omniscient and shit. |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | So then you agree that the bible is a bunch of horse shit. |
Calc
12.25.12 | just cuz someone knows what your gonna do before you do it doesnt mean you dont have free will. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | @daw I think so, but people have to accept the ability to live with not knowing some things. Being steadfast in your no god belief is just as bad as god is 100% real |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | Someone as in a person? If you're referring to God as the sun, then I'll agree that that makes the most sense. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Omniscience can be all knowing of more than one possible outcome.
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Calc
12.25.12 | dammit. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Inifinite outcomes if you will. Free will could potentially exist |
Calc
12.25.12 | If you feel like you have free will, that's all that should matter. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | People only ever look at one side to the argument. There are plenty of ways to counter claims made by either side as neither is able to be proven 100%. |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | Yeah but science logically makes the most sense, since it's based on fact and not belief. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | @jesus hitler
It cant be proven wrong. its dumb as fuck but it cant be proven. Lots of stuff in life cant be proven. We are a tiny speck in an infinite amount of space. You might think somethings dumb but it doesn't mean it's wrong. Sure, invisible octopuses are everywhere. I could care less. |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | You should talk to an astrologist sometime. There's actually quite a bit of proof that we were created from the sun. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Dawija
Its not technically science as non-belief has no facts supporting it. Its theology,philosophy, but really there is no "science" to prove anything. There are no facts in this matter. Nobody knows. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Just because we were created from the sun doesnt mean god doesnt exist. Whatever you say doesnt mean god doesnt exist. LIke i said, if god did exist it would exist beyond our laws. Give up acting like you know everything. Whatever. |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | I suppose ignorance is bliss. If denying facts makes you the happiest then so be it. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | List some "facts" then lol. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | My fucking god nobody fucking knows if it's real or not so nobody can force others to follow their personal beliefs. no one is more entitled to their opinion than the next. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Im not ignorant. I am aware of my inability to know everything. Youre the ignorant one who believes he is completely right that he cant accept the possibility of being wrong. |
dawija1017
12.25.12 | I believe that you believe that your imagination of some wild un-proveable being exists |
Calc
12.25.12 | as long as im gettin deez greenbacks da way I is n finishin' my degreez, I take bein' stupid ova bein' a narra-minded douche anyday o' da week |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Such as thinking there is 100% no chance that god exists. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | "I take bein' stupid ova bein' a narra-minded douche anyday o' da week" [2] |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | You don't believe in something with no evidence to disprove it so how does that make you any better? To say that you are any better or try to push your disbelief on people makes you no better than the people who push belief on someone. I'm sure many christians are smarter and better people than you. Your religious affiliation does not directly affect your intelligence. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Guess you didn't. Dawija implied it. lots of people think that. I'm just adding a little side note |
mindleviticus
12.25.12 | I celebrate Christmas for the sole purpose of giving and receiving presents |
Calc
12.25.12 | it also makes plenty of people smarter.. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | I like atheists that quote the bible when they try and prove it wrong and immoral when theyve never read it and got the quote off some meme or atheism subreddit. Theyre pretty smart too. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Not everyone that believe is a religion is dumb. That claim is ridiculous and ignorant. Plato, Aristotle, Einstein all believed in a higher power, are they stupid? |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | any generalizing statement about any segment of any population is ridiculous and ignorant. |
Calc
12.25.12 | andcas i meant smarter in terms of their life decisions. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | @andcas
just because they cant "beat" a christian in a debate doesnt mean their IQ is fucking 30 thats one single sample that proves nothing when extrapolated. Maybe its happened, maybe it hasnt. Einstein was probably shitty at carpentry, doesnt mean that one thing affects his overall intelligence. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | edit |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | you just said you are smarter than 2.5 billion people andcas |
apert
12.25.12 | this thread is lols, slipnslide is the only person not making a complete idiot of himself |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | The bible is my favorite sci fi novel |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | I read Chronicles of Narnia once but I didn't think it was real |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | Stay brutal, baby |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | probably a biased study. thats a near impossible thing to test that would require a very large sample to be even close to being able to claim truth in that generalization. |
apert
12.25.12 | potsy, hadn't even read your comment when i commented, im referring to the people who have been making loads of comments |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | The whole respecting people's beliefs shit is dumb
If someone on here said they believed in unicorns everyone would flame them, but if someone says them believe in adam and eve and shit it's not OK to say they're retarded?
Fuckin double standard
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Trebor.
12.25.12 | Believing in things that have no evidence is one of the cornerstones of stupidity, just saying |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Explain to me how I'm making an idiot of myself. I am arguing a rational and unbiased perspective as best I can. |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | "probably a biased study."
People say this every time there is a study that goes against what they believe, especially when what they believe has no facts supporting it |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | Implying feeling strongly about things is bad
I'm a very passionate person dude
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Trebor.
12.25.12 | Damn Potsy just proved he's actually just still butthurt about my views on smoking damn |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | @trebor Christianity is part of the culture and is a belief system that signifies more than unicorns who are generally accepted as not being real |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | I think culture in general is stupid so yeah |
North0House2
12.25.12 | "btw, they have done studies on religion and IQ and every time the results are the same: on average, the less religious people score higher than those who do believe."
Well honestly, I actually do think that can be GENERALLY true. Doesn't mean it always is, but it can be. I, personally, do believe in God. However, not the way the Christians do, it's not the same. I eventually found that nearly everything in religion is based on doctrine, opinions, and paganism. So, I left.
I think it's generally the case with most people who have the desire to think on their own without being told what to believe.
You naturally start investigating things, and mulling them over on your own, which is what I did- resulting in my abandonment of religion.
I do believe there are a lot of people in religion who are very content with just knowing whatever's fed to them. If that's the case, then it's very likely that the same principle applies in other areas- such as science, mathematics, politics, economics, etc. So, I think that's the case for the most part. I wouldn't say they're dumb. I'd just say that they're easily contented with whatever may suit their needs at the time.
However, there are very intelligent people in organized religion. History has shown that they do exist.
Generally speaking though, it seems to be a slight rarity to find free-thinking (which often coincides with intelligence due to their desire to investigate and learn) individuals in really any type of organized field. I don't think it only applies to religion, but also to political parties, schools, cultures, and really any type of societal body, or group, people associate themselves with. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | lol potsy |
MeatSalad
12.25.12 | this thread is 2edgy4me |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | I have genius level IQ, just sayin |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | edit |
North0House2
12.25.12 | lolol |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Thank you @North0House2 |
North0House2
12.25.12 | I love this thread lol. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | jesushitler you didnt read what i was responding too i was saying that people dont ridicule it becauase it part of cultre |
North0House2
12.25.12 | "see, this is what rational people do when they find out theres no good reason to believe in something."
Keep in mind, I did say I still believe in God. I'm just very heartily against religion. It's very false and quite contradictory/hypocritical in most cases. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | almost 200
almost |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | "you are born with your IQ"
ummmmmmmmmmm no |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | "the bible is plenty of evidence btw for many people"
That doesn't mean it is evidence
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solongatlast
12.25.12 | well...technically, 'religion' is "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a
personal God or gods," so you are in fact for religion, Northhouse.
The term religion is so often incorrectly used. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | @JesusHitler, you make too outrageous assumptions based on peoples religious beliefs which is what started this explosion of comments. Just accept that some people with faith are going to be as smart as some of those who don't have faith. Not all are stupid, just like to believe in something that makes them happy and gives them hope. I don't understand why everyone can't just leave people alone when it comes to this shit. |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | I DONT KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU FUCK THIS SHIT |
Trebor.
12.25.12 | "well...technically, 'religion' is "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods," so you are in fact for religion.
The term religion is so often incorrectly used."
Well you just used it incorrectly so I guess you're right. Buddhism doesn't have a creator and it's a religion |
GiaNXGX
12.25.12 | I am trebor and the pixies are better than you are
I am trebor and my IQ is higher than yours
I am trebor and I celebrate christmas
I am trebor and I don't support smoking
I am trebor and I care too much about sputnikmusic |
apert
12.25.12 | Trebor > God |
MeatSalad
12.25.12 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U8aOHtpITs
Merry christmas |
solongatlast
12.25.12 | "Well you just used it incorrectly so I guess you're right. Buddhism doesn't have a creator and it's a religion"
Hey, I'm just saying that's the dictionary definition. Nowhere is religion defined as a set of rules you have to obey or else you'll go to hell... |
mifzal
12.25.12 | it's pretty hypocritical to be nice, generous and kind on dec 25 only and be a total douche rest of the year, except on specific dates like mothers day or fathers day etc! but most human beings i've met and know are better than that! |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | @JesusHitler Which is your opinion not fact. |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | You're saying that those who believe in something are "ignorant, gullible, stupid, mislead, irrational...whatever you want to call it then.", stating your opinion as fact. You can not prove your point of view much like a religious person can't prove theirs. Once again you are being biased and making assumptions no one will know for sure until we are dead. Not irrelevant whatsoever. |
North0House2
12.25.12 | As far as I'm concerned/understand, religion does not equal God or spirituality. It's merely a set of doctrines, opinions, traditions, and definitions in order to abide by someone's interpretation of a Holy Book. |
BloodSweatandBeers
12.25.12 | hey potsy ur rite trebor stfu |
slipnslide
12.25.12 | you guys are arguing about fucking semantics seriously |
Funeralopolis
12.25.12 | lyzak is a fool and should feel bad |
North0House2
12.25.12 | -> Creates list on Sputnik about religion.
/Sputnik4lyf |
Funeralopolis
12.25.12 | dont care, yea sick of having this discussions that lead to nowhere so I'll let you all eat each other out.
Waiting for half life 2 and morrowind to install good day |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Letting people believe what they want makes me a fool. Okay great to know society is filled with narrow minded douchbags |
lyzakthellama
12.25.12 | Letting people believe what they want makes me a fool. Okay great to know society is filled with narrow minded douchbags |
DrMaximus
12.25.12 | "...rather this list was created to inform and instill people with knowledge."
Knowledge of the bible? lol
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Hyperion1001
12.25.12 | jesus is gay |
bach
12.25.12 | 1 reason to: I always have. Minus the religious agenda. |
oltnabrick
01.21.13 | lol this list |