theBoneyKing
11.03.22 | I’ve only seen episodes 1-4 so far but I agree it is genuinely excellent and kind of surreal to be watching live action Stat Wars content that good. |
fogza
11.03.22 | It is very good, blows the terrible obi wan show out of the water. |
DoofDoof
11.03.22 | I like my slow burn dystopian sci fi usually - only up to ep 6 I think but if there's been a good/memorable/iconic scene or an engaging character so far it/they passed me by
not awful and still better than anything Marvel related on Disney but that is a low bar
- I'll keep going with it, so far I'd chuck it in the same bin as The Sandman that was hyped to the hilt and generally 'sort of ok' but left me cold... |
Gameofmetal
11.03.22 | I wanted to be a hater but it's good, weirdly good. It's like everything Star Wars is usually bad at. |
trilo
11.03.22 | how is the show for someone not into star wars? is it self-contained? been considering checking it out given the praise |
AlexKzillion
11.03.22 | wasn't really planning on it but i'll have to get on this when the season's over |
TalonsOfFire
11.03.22 | This era in the universe of the saga isn't that interesting to me; I found Rogue One dull and one of my least favorite movies in the franchise, only better than TPM and TRoS imo even tho I like the visuals and cinematography. This Andor series is pretty ok so far having seen 6 eps, about tied with Solo for me and certainly better than Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, Rogue One, and the prequels. I still think eps IV-VIII and The Mandalorian are peak SW, despite some issues I have with Last Jedi. |
thecheatisnotdead
11.03.22 | Definitely the best SW Disney+ joint since Mando S1, and probably on pace to overtake it.
I love Rogue One, but even I was still pretty skeptical when I saw this thing was gonna be 12 episodes; now I'm like, "Only 12? Are we sure?" |
Hyperion1001
11.03.22 | “Star Wars as prestige Tv” sounds like the seventh layer of hell. |
Trebor.
11.03.22 | Andor looks decent but I just have zero interest in anything franchise these days |
theBoneyKing
11.03.22 | What blew my mind a bit while watching episode 4 was when I reached the end and realized I had watched about 45 minutes of Star Wars content without a single “action” scene. |
Colton
11.04.22 | anyone watching House of the Dragon |
fogza
11.04.22 | "I still think eps IV-VIII and The Mandalorian are peak SW"
Rogue One definitely had some issues (Forest Whitaker's performance, computer generated Peter Cushing, etc) but I preferred it to TFA and TLJ. That final trilogy was, as a whole, the worst thing ever produced in the franchise. Attack of the Clones is probably still the worst film overall. |
DoofDoof
11.04.22 | Colton - House of the Dragon was excellent, or maybe it was exactly what I wanted from a show right now, but it was definitely at least very good |
fogza
11.04.22 | *zeow* *lightsaber hums* |
Gameofmetal
11.04.22 | Rogue One is horribly paced in the first half, feel like people skate over that one's flaws because it did some good stuff but it's all over the place at first. |
Gameofmetal
11.04.22 | I'd a hundred percent rather watcher the new sequel trilogy than the prequel trilogy. Revenge of the Sith is a little overrated and stuck at the end of two terrible movies whereas TFA and TLJ are at least alright before being finished with the worst star wars movie ever. Pound for pound it's more watchable even if it's not all that great. |
theBoneyKing
11.04.22 | Prequels for me have the nostalgia factor since I was raised on those as much as if not more than the OG trilogy. New ones just have very little going for them overall and TROS is utter garbage, and I’ll always have a bit of resentment for the direction they went as opposed to the former EU. |
fogza
11.04.22 | "whereas TFA and TLJ are at least alright"
personally i think the only impressive thing about that trilogy is that they managed to have three disgracefully bad films, but they're all bad for different reasons. Phantom Menace is easily better than anything in that final trilogy, and that's a pretty sad thing to say. I think the last three movies are aesthetically a bit better than the prequels, and that's about it. |
TalonsOfFire
11.04.22 | Pretty much agreed with Game. In no universe are the prequels better the TFA or TLJ. Now TRoS, that's a different story.... The prequels, TRoS, and Rogue One aren't without their positives but are generally all poorly written and/or nonsensical. TLJ has a lot of failed humor moments and the whole casino section was dumb, but other than that was a fairly solid movie with some of the best and most emotional scenes of the whole saga. Similar with TFA, aside from redoing the whole Death Star climax again. Solo started kinda bad but gradually got better as it went along, and has a great 3rd act. |
BigTuna
11.04.22 | Tony Gilroy doesn’t miss. (Actually sometimes he does but not often) |
fogza
11.04.22 | " TLJ has a lot of failed humor moments and the whole casino section was dumb, but other than that was a fairly solid movie with some of the best and most emotional scenes of the whole saga"
Honestly, nothing in TLJ made sense to me, like it just plain didn't work on any level, with some of the most unearned emotional scenes I've ever seen. TFA is just a recycled worse New Hope, utterly lazy and shameless. Will agree with you that the prequels are not good movies though. |
fogza
11.04.22 | Nice to see someone coming up for Solo though, honestly outside of the original trilogy it's probably the best SW movie, comes closest to understanding why the original movies were good |
TalonsOfFire
11.04.22 | I thought the best part of the first two sequel movies was they got the characters mostly right with good actors and emotional pay-offs that worked, and more of the problems came in with the overall plot, like the Starkiller base and not having anywhere to go after TLJ, especially given what happened with TRoS (as in they had no plan and it all became a dumpster fire). I just wish Solo began more calmly and looked less visually ugly in places, but yea it's a mostly solid movie. |
fogza
11.04.22 | Yeah I think part of my disgust with the latest trilogy is they took one of the biggest franchises in history and just seemed to go ahead with no overall plan, it's like they were literally making it up as they go. Ok, we can recycle the plot beats from the very first SW movie because we know fans will like that. Ok, this dude is going to write a "subversive" star wars movie that sucks, oh shit the fans didn't like that let's U-turn with the most pandering fan service focus grouped movie we could think of. |
theBoneyKing
11.04.22 | The prequels are a mess obviously but they also have a clear vision and are actually trying to Do Something, I have to respect the epic scope they want to think they have - there’s heart there. The sequels are just a vapid mess of largely nonsensical, inconsistent storytelling. |
TalonsOfFire
11.04.22 | I totally agree about the disgust with these new Lucasfilm people having no plan for this new trilogy, which crashed and burned with IX, but despite that doesn't take away from the strengths that eps VII and VIII have. The prequels are nostalgic for me too, but unlike the sequels are pretty poorly plotted, blandly directed, Natalie Portman and a few others can't act to save her life at least back then, and the dialogue was spotty at best. Also the constant green screen and visual effects. TPM is too kiddy and pointless for me to see much value there. There is a kind of consistent vision in the prequels I will admit. |
Hyperion1001
11.04.22 | “TPM was too kiddy”
Star Wars exists solely to sell toys to children. |
fogza
11.04.22 | Surprised to hear anyone say the new movies are well plotted, but ok. True that Portman and Christensen are very bad but after TFA the admittedly better overall cast were underutilized and stripped of personality (and purpose). Also, when we talk about bland direction, the final duel / joint battle sequence of TPM is superior to any moment in the last 3 movies. Just sayin' |
ChrimzonCanine
11.04.22 | “Phantom Menace is easily better than anything in that final trilogy”
Truer words have never been spoken. I’d rather watch a movie about Anakin talking about sand than the steaming turd that is the sequel trilogy |
TalonsOfFire
11.04.22 | Darth Maul is a personality free villain solely there to look cool, and as Hype referenced, sell toys. Their lightsaber fight is pretty good purely on a visual level, better than the one on Mustafar in III, except it’s the opposite problem where that one is ridiculous and too long, but had emotional weight cause of Anakin's fall from grace. I don’t see how TFA or TLJ are nonsensical, aside from a couple small things like maybe Holdo not explaining to Poe and the others her plan and that weird part where Leia rescues herself when the ship is blown apart. All the Finn and Rose stuff was pretty pointless and dragged it down. |
ChrimzonCanine
11.04.22 | I never found the Mustafar fight to be long at all, since there’s clear reasoning for why it’s stretched out more than the TPM one. One side is constantly fighting on defense and is trying to tire the other one out rather than just straight up kill. While Anakin is using fighting techniques that he only ever learned from his opponent, so its like a chess match that closes to a stale-mate which I find more captivating than the Maul fight. Because for those who haven’t seen the OT it leaves a bigger sense of dread for how this will end.
Also TFA was nonsensical mostly from a world-building perspective. There’s zero explanation for how the First Order came to be when the movie it followed ended with the Empire falling and the rebels finally achieving peace across the galaxy. Not to mention Snoke who appears out of nowhere and isn’t given a backstory for how he took over the galaxy as well as why Starkiller Base destroyed all those planets aside from pure spectacle. And that’s not even mentioning the overpowered bland plot-device that is Rey.
I’m 100% certain that this was a reactionary move by Disney to please the whiny OT fanboys who didn’t like the political scenes in the prequels, which is why the setting of the sequels make zero sense because there’s no build-up to them |
CygnusX1
11.04.22 | I love the sequel trilogy for how just plain bad they all are as movies. It's shocking to me how anyone can choose to rewatch TLJ or RoS without it being a drink game to get black out wasted and forget that they were watching TLJ or RoS. They almost come around to being hilarious, purposefully b-movie quality |
ChrimzonCanine
11.04.22 | I tried that once with a friend when we saw TLJ for a second time, and we both ended up just getting pissed off despite being wasted. If I were to pick a drunk Star Wars movie i’d go with Solo. It’s so randomly fast-paced and messy that it’s hard not to laugh all the way through |
TalonsOfFire
11.04.22 | Yeah but them swinging on cables and the lava platforms with everything obviously green screened got too dumb and ridiculously comical. The lightsaber fights in TFA were much better, more gritty and raw with them just pounding at each other and trying to survive. Fin fails as he would and gets his freaking spine slashed cause he tries to fight Kylo. I don’t know what more build up was supposed to occur in the beginning of a new trilogy, unless you mean the movies should’ve taken place earlier. I agree about it not being clear or well established if the First Order is in power or the rebels from RotJ. The Snoke thing is more of a problem with the following films. I like Rey as a character and she was introduced really well, but yeah things are a little too easy for her. |
ChrimzonCanine
11.05.22 | “ them swinging on cables and the lava platforms with everything obviously green screened got too dumb and ridiculously comical. The lightsaber fights in TFA were much better, more gritty and raw with them just pounding at each other and trying to survive.”
You’re joking right? The fight in TFA was honestly one of the most retarded, most amateurish fights I’ve ever seen in anything Star Wars related. Literally like watching two angry little kids swinging toy lightsabers at each other while making feral noises at each other. Took me out of the movie completely. At least in the prequels it looked like you were watching two trained swordsmen who were trying to use a variety of tricks and maneuvers to confuse and throw their opponents off guard while also using their surroundings to their advantage.
You might like the TFA one because they’re just pounding away at each other but that to me is ridiculously comical and impossible to take seriously.
“I don’t know what more build up was supposed to occur in the beginning of a new trilogy”
Explaining why the galaxy went from being free of the Empire’s grasp to suddenly being taken over by the First Order with the rebels now in hiding again, which is never brought up except for in the title crawl. And even then it’s super vague. How Starkiller base was built without any interference by the new republic or the resistance or anyone who opposed the First Order, because even RotS made it clear that the Old Republic was under new management and the Jedi were annihilated so nobody could do anything against the Death Star just yet. The new trilogy paints it as the good guys just did nothing for 30 years and let the First Order do their thing before finally choosing to take action after those planets were destroyed.
“I like Rey as a character and she was introduced really well, but yeah things are a little too easy for her”
It was mostly the fact that she went from believing the force and the Jedi were a myth, to suddenly being able to do mind tricks and pull objects towards her just hours later without any training of any kind. Not to mention her being able to fix and fly the Millenium Falcon, a ship that she’s never been on, with ease. It would’ve been believable if she said something like she’s worked on ships like these and trained as a pilot, since that’s what Anakin did when questioned about his skills as a podracer. When Finn asks how she was able to pilot it, her answer is literally “I don’t know”. It really took me out of the film because it seems like she has to be a pro at something in order for the film to carry on. |
TalonsOfFire
11.05.22 | The people in charge of this new trilogy, Kathleen Kennedy and producers I assume, needed to come up with a different explanation for how the First Order, Starkiller Base, and Snoke came to be and connect that to Kylo Ren's life story aside from the ridiculously stupid idea that Palpatine survived being vaporized and was behind it all. Those were good beginnings I thought, but no one was really in charge or knew where it would lead. TFA isn't to blame for all of that, but it needed to establish the make-up of the galaxy and if the First Order is more in power or the good guys that Leia is leading. That's probably my biggest problem with the movie.
In terms of Rey being overpowered, I feel like that's more due to how vague it is in all Star Wars of how much time, effort, and strength a force sensitive person/Jedi in training needs to become a great Jedi warrior and Force user. TFA doesn't clarify that, but neither do any of the other movies really; Luke trained with Yoda for a couple weeks and that was all good for him, Rey didn't do much different with Luke in TLJ, and the prequels tried to introduce all this stupid stuff like midichlorians and kids training with lightsabers right next to each other in close quarters. So not really sure what to make of all that. Rey being able to use the Falcon I can forgive cause her introduction showed her traversing those massive ship ruins and being an engineer, which I think is to illustrate that's basically been her life growing up and that she's a tech-head.
The lightsaber fights I just feel the opposite about. Sure, when I was a kid I liked all the over-the-top lightsaber porn and people flipping around doing silly, ridiculous stuff all in front of green screens that the prequels indulged in, but it's a lot of tedious fake looking wankery to me now looking back. I wish the fights were more grounded and better portrayed to match the work the actors put in with the fencing training, which I admire. |
MarsKid
11.05.22 | I'm sure this show is competent, but man I am so burnt out by Star Wars, especially now at how fast content is getting pumped out. |
twlight
11.05.22 | So no Skywalker$?
I miss George Lucas, |
ChrimzonCanine
11.06.22 | Same. George was super competent in building up a believable universe and explaining every detail in full for why this works like that. Something that the sequels really failed at doing. If anything I give props to those movies for making people wake up and reanalyze the prequels with a more open mind instead of resorting to dumb arguments like “midichlorians bad” and “too much green-screen” because if that’s the case then Edge of Tomorrow, Inception, Avatar, Interstellar, BR2049, Game of Thrones, the MCU and just about any movie set in a sci-fi/fantasy setting should be considered bad because they also use green-screen. |
DoofDoof
11.06.22 | The first generation CGI is distractingly bad in those films though :/ |
fogza
11.06.22 | "Luke trained with Yoda for a couple weeks and that was all good for him"
To be fair, he received basic instruction from Obi Wan and had time to practice before meeting Yoda. He also fails against Vader despite that training. He also has a bit more time between ESB and ROTJ to train. |
Egarran
11.06.22 | Yall ever notice how fogza is right about everything?
The prequels gave us the Plinkett reviews, so they did lead to something good.
I'm pettily happy that Andor doesn't have many viewers. May look at it in a few years. |
TalonsOfFire
11.06.22 | The difference between those movies and the prequels Chrimzon is they use special effects and green screen correctly, whereas I think in II and III the technology wasn't there but George just used it for everything anyways even tho a fair amount has aged poorly, especially in II. Ewan even said it was like a nightmare trying to act in that environment. At least TPM had some real sets thrown in there.
Yeah I love RLM and the Plinkett reviews are great and illustrate what went wrong with the prequels. Some SW fans defend them and that's fine, like what you like. I don't think they're all bad. My original point was just that VII and VIII are more good than bad imo, and Andor is pretty good and the best SW show besides The Mandalorian. |
ChrimzonCanine
11.07.22 | It’s fine. I still think VII and VIII make II look like Citizen Kane in comparison but ehh what do I know. If anything, the new movies only made me appreciate the prequels even more upon rewatching them, and I do agree with everything Tundra said besides Andor which was a nice change of pace from the slop Disney usually dishes out.
Also never really understood the Plinkett circlejerking because a lot of his points fluctuate between nitpicks to blind criticisms that don’t align with what’s presented in the movies themselves |
Tyler.
11.07.22 | ok rowan..... im going to try this........ |
unclereich
11.07.22 | Star Wars is its best in recent years when it keeps the original trilogy's familiar faces out of its narratives as much as possible. that's why I loved rogue one, the first season of the mandalorian, and this. |
fogza
11.07.22 | "Yall ever notice how fogza is right about everything?
"
If only eg, if only. High school maths could have gone so differently |
ChrimzonCanine
11.07.22 | The whole Sifo Dyas plot point they tried to explain in season 6 really threw me off. It’s like the Jedi suddenly knew that the clones were commissioned by Dooku after uncovering his Sith name but they didn’t bother doing any further investigations |
ChrimzonCanine
11.08.22 | Made it to the fourth Andor episode. Starting to get better already |
AlexKzillion
11.08.22 | "The whole Sifo Dyas plot point they tried to explain in season 6 really threw me off. It’s like the Jedi suddenly knew that the clones were commissioned by Dooku after uncovering his Sith name but they didn’t bother doing any further investigations"
its been years since i watched that arc but it always came across to me like a vietnam "absolutely positively nobody else is finding out about this because it'll make us look stupid and weak" type thing |
ChrimzonCanine
11.08.22 | Still a very questionable thing to not talk to the Kaminoans about it and press them for more information on whether they set a trap for the Jedi or not. It’s a minor plot point but it would’ve changed the entire saga if they took more action rather than just let it slide until Order 66 |
AlexKzillion
11.08.22 | but the optics of that would've been horrible... which i think is the point. the jedi had too much pride to admit they were duped, and stayed silent to hold onto the little political standing they still had. |
thecheatisnotdead
11.10.22 | ^
GotDAMN, what an episode! Had chills pretty much the entire time.
Also, I doubt this thing's gonna get much love come Emmy time, but Andy Serkis deserves any accolades that come his way, my man crushed it. |
treos777
11.23.22 | Go from characters saying shit like I made my mind a sunless place /to /dark side this light side that. Watching the last two episodes tomorrow hype! |
treos777
11.24.22 | It's bizarre watching star wars with legit good dialogue |
Tyler.
11.24.22 | lol yeah |
ChrimzonCanine
11.24.22 | I miss the power converters tbh |
