oltnabrick
10.03.19 | big if true |
StarlessCore
10.03.19 | Bruhhh he might tbh |
Get Low
10.03.19 | 10 rulez |
MotokoKusanagi
10.03.19 | repubs will never vote to impeach
and yeah 10 does rule lul |
Frippertronics
10.03.19 | too little too late to do it
his twitter meltdown rn is pretty juicy doe |
MotokoKusanagi
10.03.19 | watch me crank it watch me roll |
sixdegrees
10.03.19 | mr president sir...your fired |
oltnabrick
10.03.19 | haha epic! |
Slex
10.03.19 | OJ did it |
unclereich
10.03.19 | HahHa fuckin brick pulling a sonic |
SitarHero
10.03.19 | "his twitter meltdown rn is pretty juicy doe"
I lol'd at what looked like him quoting Nickelback. "LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH!" |
unclereich
10.03.19 | Get used to it he’s got a few years left as president |
sixdegrees
10.03.19 | hand your twitter over to prosecutor Harris, mr. trump sir |
butt.
10.03.19 | 2019 got me feelin like
Bruh |
ArsMoriendi
10.03.19 | Impeached maybe, but removed? Certainly not |
brainmelter
10.03.19 | If the glove don’t fit he acquit |
Sharkattack
10.03.19 | If he was going to get impeached we wouldn’t be having a discussion on whether or not he’s getting impeached. The mere fact that it isn’t a certainty means it won’t happen to Teflon Don |
unclereich
10.03.19 | There is less than no chance he gets impeached as there has been no crime committed |
MotokoKusanagi
10.03.19 | lol cmon mitch |
Sinternet
10.03.19 | i wonder what ja rule thinks about this |
Asdfp277
10.03.19 | hmmm |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | Not gonna happen. And even if he is, he'll finish his term before any ruling. |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "There is less than no chance he gets impeached as there has been no crime committed"
Lol |
sixdegrees
10.03.19 | cheeto christ stupid czar |
GhostB1rd
10.03.19 | Y'all really want President Pence, huh? |
Kompys2000
10.03.19 | Far too many useless twats in Congress for impeachment to be a real possibility imo. even if Trump gets successfully impeached and/or the dem nominee wins next election it won't be worth much unless we give McConnell and his toadies the boot as well |
budgie
10.03.19 | this thread will self destruct in 3
2
|
brainmelter
10.03.19 | 1
Hypothetically, Pence wouldn’t be able to do shit with the little time he’d have, so hardly a threat
It’s a real shame he isn’t getting impeached though |
unclereich
10.03.19 | yea what a shame one of the idiot dems can't take office |
butt.
10.03.19 | I just want politics to be boring again. Tired of the daily scandals. Tired of childish twitter meltdowns every morning. Tired of the constant barrage of false/misleading statements every time he opens his goddamn mouth |
Josh D.
10.03.19 | I hope the whole administration ends up like Mussolini |
Flugmorph
10.03.19 | fuck off oltna |
Zorg
10.03.19 | "There is less than no chance he gets impeached as there has been no crime committed"
This. Also, maybe if the Dems didn't have batshit candidates running in the primaries they'd be able to just beat Trump. Trump should be easy to defeat... |
Josh D.
10.03.19 | those cRaZy candidates wanting everyone to have healthcare |
butt.
10.03.19 | biden is pretty safe and far from "batshit." so is buttigieg for the most part, but his numbers have been stuck in the same spot for months. |
Lizardwave
10.03.19 | he just tweeted out a nickelback meme about biden
what timeline are we living in |
Josh D.
10.03.19 | fuck centrist democrats |
Zorg
10.03.19 | You just said that you hoped the administration would be murdered and their dead bodies paraded in public, so you seem very sane and not partisan at all.
But yes, mandatory buybacks, reparations, essentially open borders, health care for undocumented immigrants, etc. are pretty radical considering the electorate.
|
Josh D.
10.03.19 | fascist alert |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | lol good luck |
ffs
10.03.19 | Impeach? I'm actually orange - d trimp |
outliers
10.03.19 | "he just tweeted out a nickelback meme about biden"
what's even funnier is that it was removed "in reponse to a report by the copyright owner"
|
EclipseInYourEyes
10.03.19 | "Trump should be easy to defeat..."
you'd think that. don't forget that people are stupid as shit. and Trump's team used that pretty well to spread false informations with the help of Cambridge Analytica. they spent millions on that campaign and did that pretty well tbh. However, I hope he gets impeached for the sake of the world economy. Bad enough that modern capitalism is already burning, we don't need stupid shit like customs |
Meridiu5
10.03.19 | Lol no |
Zorg
10.03.19 | All you have to do is put a muzzle on The Squad and put Warren, who will pivot more neo-liberal (which she actually is) in the general, and campaign properly in the Mid-West. That's a win for the Dems in 2020. People like this moron John D. is why they could lose again. |
Josh D.
10.03.19 | John D. |
Josh D.
10.03.19 | "Warren, who will pivot more neo-liberal (which she actually is)"
I actually agree with that, which is why Bernie is the only good candidate. She's a distant 2, the rest can eat my hole. |
artiswar
10.03.19 | he won't be impeached and the Ukraine scandal will likely hurt Biden way more than it will hurt Trump. Pursuing impeachment now feels like Dems just strapping on a suicide vest. Why now, and why over this when the facts aren't even all in? Did these people sleep through Russia-gate? Trump raised 125 mil in like a week thanks to this move. Following politics is physically painful. |
Josh D.
10.03.19 | the answer to those questions is "Pelosi sucks" |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | Every major ad campaign uses targeted social media advertising, political or otherwise, and pretty much all deal in some degree of “disinformation”. Several marketing consultants I know have pulled out of the political sphere because of the Cambridge thing, since they all do the same thing and they don’t want to risk taking a contract from the wrong horse and getting investigated for their trouble |
EclipseInYourEyes
10.03.19 | ofc everybody's using it since Obama, no doubt. But nobody was using to the extent of the Trump campaign. And nobody was targeting specific groups of people like Trump did. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | Lol whatever you want to believe dude, to get a good return on investment in online advertising you have to use statistical models to forecast your appropriate target demographics. Everyone does it |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "Also, maybe if the Dems didn't have batshit candidates"
I love how corporate shills have convinced people that they cant have basic shit everyone in every other developed country has, and that those basic things are CUHRAAAAYYYZZZY IDEAZZZZ!!
Btw, those ideas are much more popular than you seem to think. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | Imagine thinking that either party has candidates that aren’t corporate shills |
Sinternet
10.03.19 | there's a classic ffs comment here and you guys bicker like retards instead, shame on you |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | Bernie is the only one who isnt, fuck Warren, she's aping Bernie's progressive agenda, but she wont go all the way.
Oh and maybe Yang, but theres no way in hell he's winning. |
Relinquished
10.03.19 | bernie's done
heart surgery and all that jazz |
R4zor3dge
10.03.19 | "Bernie is the only one who isnt"
Tulsi? |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | You don’t get to be in office for 30+ years and get positive media coverage if you aren’t useful to the oligarchs. Tulsi might be the only one who isn’t, since they tried to torpedo her as soon as she announced, but I doubt it with her too. She just has a particular antiwar agenda that’s viewed as a problem |
Prancer
10.03.19 | Yang Gang. |
WeepingBanana
10.03.19 | I used to be in the "don't impeach yet" camp but at this point I think the dems need to stop prancing around and actually use what power they have. Do you think if the tables were turned Reps would even consider not going forward with impeachment? What would be lost if impeachment doesn't go thru? Bidens perfect reputation of being a groping, racist neolib is tarnished? Trumps base doesn't care about facts and will be emboldened either way. There is no opposition party in the US right now, and there needs to be. In any form possible |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | theyre fucking dumb for only focusing on the Ukraine thing though. fucking useless democrats. |
butt.
10.03.19 | The Ukraine thing is the only blatant abuse of power that they can really hammer home with facts....
also trying to obstruct the Russia investigation, but the populous has already forgotten and he somehow convinced his entire base that he did nothing wrong |
unclereich
10.03.19 | biden is pretty safe and far from "batshit."
https://youtu.be/oihV9yrZRHg fast forward to 06:50 and tell me with a straight face this guy hasn't lost his fucking mind. imagine trump looking dead in the eye of a small child and saying "I love kids jumping on my lap". |
botb
10.03.19 | Yang gang [2] |
butt.
10.03.19 | his social awareness is often a bit off and he says things that sound creepy without realizing it. trump has said he would date his own daughter if he wasn't related to her. americans suck at electing good, smart, likable people most of the time, but if you think biden is NOT a better option than trump then seriously, what the actual fuck |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | i think he meant his ideas. Biden is obviously senile. |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "The Ukraine thing is the only blatant abuse of power that they can really hammer home with facts...."
id say using your position as president to use tax dollars to collect revenue at your failing business is a pretty blatant abuse of power and conflict of interest. |
EclipseInYourEyes
10.03.19 | @Itwasthatwas: don't get me wrong, I am all with you there.
But as far as I know, Trump brought shitloads of non-voters to vote and imo big parts of that were because of his superior ad-campaign and social media stuff. Of course others are also doing it...but simply doing it, is not enough. the Trump team did it right in order to get elected. I am all in for impeachment cuz his trade wars are bringing the world economy to a crisis and he's simply a douchebag, but his pre-election game and his campaign strategy were on point. I'll give him that. |
unclereich
10.03.19 | tRumP only became president for the mOneY |
butt.
10.03.19 | "id say using your position as president to use tax dollars to collect revenue at your failing business is a pretty blatant abuse of power and conflict of interest."
absolutely agree, but there's no outrage for some reason. it'll just be seen as "grasping for straw" |
WretchedCacophony
10.03.19 | Trump wont get impeached... but it will strengthen his campaign for 2020 because he'll point to the erratic behavior of the democratic party as another reason to vote for him |
neekafat
10.03.19 | yes
@Wretched "erratic" xD |
JoeTex
10.03.19 | he gone |
hobblepot
10.03.19 | he won't because money, it would be nice though. Boris needs to go too, the thick cunt. |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "tRumP only became president for the mOneY"
and the power. and the attention. |
zakalwe
10.03.19 | The empty promises, lies, scorn and delusions of power from obsessed clueless politicians is the same old same old.
At least Boris like Trump is trying to rally a bit of ‘can do’ rather than hopelessness.
Parties are so busy trying to derail one another first they’re losing all trace of support from normal people to actually lead the country. It’s good times.
Political parties 🗑 |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | sure thing zak! we certainly CAN take away healthcare from more people, we CAN destroy the environment, and we CAN suck the dick of an ass-backwards nation that is committing a genocide in yemen. i believe!
how was that, zak? do you like my can-do attitude? |
CygnusX1
10.03.19 | Can you imagine seeing the raging, incoherent, 4th grade level vocabulary social media posts from someone who is supposed to be the leader of a nation and thinking "wow those democrats sure are acting erratic derp"
|
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | DC I sure hope you’re not a fan of the Obama administration if you have concerns over Yemen (as you should) |
JoeTex
10.03.19 | deflect & lie. the repub way |
osmark86
10.03.19 | Just undo this fuck |
Zorg
10.03.19 | "I love how corporate shills have convinced people that they cant have basic shit everyone in every other developed country has, and that those basic things are CUHRAAAAYYYZZZY IDEAZZZZ!!
Btw, those ideas are much more popular than you seem to think."
I think something like 20% of people supports reparations. Do you think giving health care for undocumented immigrants is popular? Most people support ICE and are not for open borders. I love how you guys go to health care as if that's the only thing the Dems are pushing. I never said single-payer healthcare was crazy. Though, a 300 mil populated country with one of the oldest constitutions is not exactly comparable to a small homogeneous Scandinavian country, by the way. |
osmark86
10.03.19 | Maybe not, but think of the possibilities #swede |
osmark86
10.03.19 | Also the Norwegian constitution is about as old. |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "DC I sure hope you’re not a fan of the Obama administration if you have concerns over Yemen (as you should)"
im not a corporatist centrist bitch, so yeah, Obama sucked. might as well give Trump a Nobel as well. |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | @zorg universal healthcare is popular. college paid for by the government is popular. dems dont want open borders, stop watching fox. |
osmark86
10.03.19 | Americans have to realize that labeling the opposition is not fruitful and focus on what benefits the largest amount of the population. Good luck. |
Zorg
10.03.19 | Please, decriminalization of illegal border crossings is essentially open borders, don't care how you want to spin it. I agree about universal healthcare, that's not one of the crazy ideas. |
osmark86
10.03.19 | That being said the Giants suck! Go Patriots! |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "decriminalization of illegal border crossings is essentially open borders"
if you want to make that giant leap thats on you i guess. |
Zorg
10.03.19 | It's not a giant leap if you combine decriminalization with demilitarization of the border, abolishing ICE, a pathway to citizenship, full amnesty and health care to undocumented immigrants...I mean, what's left? |
WeepingBanana
10.03.19 | If you think abolishing a 16 year old institution is radical then idk what to tell you man. I think you underestimate how cheap for you as an individual treating a human refugee with dignity is |
butt.
10.03.19 | "At least Boris like Trump is trying to rally a bit of ‘can do’ rather than hopelessness."
well that was the biggest load of horse shit I've read so far today |
unclereich
10.03.19 | ok thank you |
Devastator
10.03.19 | This dude really just said he'd consider asking China to look into Biden. Like what the fuck?
|
butt.
10.03.19 | yup he just fucking did it out in the open. it's the double down strategy. if he does it so shamelessly, people who don't know any better see that and assume it must be alright. fuckin dangerous times we live in |
Relinquished
10.03.19 | everything is ok |
Devastator
10.03.19 | I think he will be impeached but won't be removed which is a shame because he is fucking nuts. |
SitarHero
10.03.19 | "full amnesty and health care to undocumented immigrants"
Umm whose policy platform is that? |
AmericanFlagAsh
10.03.19 | "'he just tweeted out a nickelback meme about biden'
what's even funnier is that it was removed 'in reponse to a report by the copyright owner'"
Lmfao |
Zorg
10.03.19 | "Umm whose policy platform is that?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-QP5TBTVhY
Look at that like ratio too lol |
SitarHero
10.03.19 | Yeah, even Nickelback isnt having any of Trump's BULLSHIT |
unclereich
10.03.19 | everything is ok
123 |
RolyPoly
10.03.19 | those videos of trump lashing out towards reporters asking him questions about impeachment is very concerning. Trump is dump.
Hope he gets the Mussolini treatment [2] |
unclereich
10.03.19 | r u 12? |
NorwichScene
10.03.19 | It would be typical of America, vote Trump in then try impeach him. To be honest I like him, says he’s going to do something and does it, no bullshit like we’ve had in UK over the last few years |
Devastator
10.03.19 | "Hope he gets the Mussolini treatment"
Or we could not do that maybe? |
unclereich
10.03.19 | lol you mean killing you opposition isn't a good idea. but what if trump literally is hitler |
Rowhaus
10.03.19 | "dems dont want open borders, stop watching fox."
come on dude lol |
Rowhaus
10.03.19 | The dems will only impeach trump if they're COMPLETELY suicidal. Trump's got 2020 locked in but it'll be a complete massacre if they go forward with impeachment. |
SitarHero
10.03.19 | Make up your mind. They either have nothing to lose or they don't. |
RolyPoly
10.03.19 | Mussolini treatment [3] |
AmericanFlagAsh
10.03.19 | "Trump's got 2020 locked in"
Russia gonna interfere again? |
butt.
10.03.19 | "To be honest I like him, says he’s going to do something and does it"
I'll give you a break since you're not in America and probably don't pay as closely attention as we do, but no, this is nowhere near the truth. Besides, most of the things he wants to do are shitty things. So "getting things done" is usually a negative when it comes to his agenda. |
butt.
10.03.19 | "Russia gonna interfere again?"
Moscow Mitch has all but guaranteed it. |
Rowhaus
10.03.19 | "Russia gonna interfere again?"
In pretend land maybe. More than two years and twenty million in taxpayer dollars later and people still aren't satisfied. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | It’s interesting how cavalier people are about the idea of political violence.
Hopefully soon people will give up on the fantastical notion that meaningful democracy can or does exist too |
zakalwe
10.03.19 | 60s-2010s. Cold War, threat of nuclear annihilation, mass unemployment, recession, acts of homegrown terrorism, drugs, AIDS epidemic, global warming, 80s riots, faux war, war on terror, faux war, mass uncontrolled immigration, banking crisis, climate change.
Things have always been massively shit. Things are actually better now than they have been for years though believe it or not. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | Yeah that’s true Zak |
butt.
10.03.19 | "In pretend land maybe. More than two years and twenty million in taxpayer dollars later and people still aren't satisfied."
.....?!?!?! The one conclusive thing the two year investigation found is that Russia DID interfere "in sweeping and systematic fashion." Are you serious right now? |
Devastator
10.03.19 | Even some Repub's agree that Russia interfered. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | So what did they do, how many people were involved, how much money was spent, how many people were exposed to it, and what were the measurable results?
I don’t feel like those answers should be that hard to get in a world where everyone’s data is tracked 100% time and the govt has unlimited resources to analyze it |
Rowhaus
10.03.19 | Two words: NO... COLLUSION... |
unclereich
10.03.19 | ban the electoral college |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | "Things are actually better now than they have been for years though believe it or not."
sure, in a lot of ways. but all that wont mean shit if we can't put a cap on the global temperature. |
butt.
10.03.19 | "So what did they do, how many people were involved, how much money was spent, how many people were exposed to it, and what were the measurable results?"
Mueller's 300+ page report answers all of these questions in agonziing detail. Why. are. we. still. pretending. this. document. does. not. exist. |
butt.
10.03.19 | "Two words: NO... COLLUSION..."
we're not talking about fucking collusion. We're talking about whether or not Russia interfered with an American election. |
zakalwe
10.03.19 | People need to take a long hard look at themselves.
I don’t see government trucks waltzing around treating everywhere from city streets to country lanes like a dumping ground for shit.
People are cunts. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | So summarize it for me since you clearly read it, give me the abstract |
Rowhaus
10.03.19 | "we're not talking about fucking collusion. We're talking about whether or not Russia interfered with an American election."
The burden of proof can be a bitch |
StrizzMatik
10.03.19 | Less than zero chance of him ever getting removed. The Republicans control the Senate and the Dems will never get the two-thirds necessary to remove him. It would be a stupid and suicidal move to even do it, even if Trump gets impeached in the House then it goes to a full trial in the Senate, where Trump's legal team gets to subpoena and call anyone they want to testify under oath, and the Rs control ALL evidence that gets allowed. That means HRC emails, Spygate / Crossfire Hurricane, Uranium One, FISA abuse, media collusion with intelligence and DNC, the DNC servers, you name it - ALL of it will be allowed in. Corrupt Dems and Republicans will freak out, flip on each other, name names, and make deals and tons of people will go to jail. Trump will coast through 2020, he almost certainly is going to anyways, but this will seal it.
And IF he by some miracle gets impeached by a Republican-controlled senate? You get President Mike Pence. Pelosi calling for impeachment was the stupidest fucking thing she could have ever done, he WANTS it. |
Devastator
10.03.19 | I long for the days when where it's okay to have differing political opinions. |
unclereich
10.03.19 | sure, in a lot of ways. but all that wont mean shit if we can't put a cap on the global temperature.
ok but how do we hold the other 99% of the world accountable. |
Zorg
10.03.19 | Yeah, those Russian facebook ads really swayed the election. It wasn't like Clinton was terrible or anything. Talk about living in the bubble. |
Devastator
10.03.19 | Both Candidates in 2016 were ungodly awful. |
StrizzMatik
10.03.19 | Mueller report did nothing but embarrass the left and the Democrats, it went nowhere and proved it was a waste of time, his approval rating has only gone up since and the average public couldn't give a fuck less. Mueller's report did not substantiate their claim of guilt or recommend charges, therefore he is innocent under law. It's the cornerstone of law there is the presumption of innocence before guilt in America, and that extends to POTUS. Trump does not have to prove his innocence. |
butt.
10.03.19 | "So summarize it for me since you clearly read it, give me the abstract"
The most concise nutshell version: Russia interfered in two key ways. 1) a massive social media campaign waged to influence voters in favor of Trump and against Clinton, and 2) Russian military intelligence hacking email accounts of Clinton's campaign and DNC staffers |
butt.
10.03.19 | let's not forget: 34 individuals and 3 companies were indicted by the special counsel. 8 were convicted of felonies, 5 of whom were Trump associates. The investigation wasn't useless because it didn't put Trump in jail, that was never the point. It was about protecting America's elections. |
butt.
10.03.19 | lastly....Trump tried to obstruct justice 10 separate times. Most failed because his people knew better and basically chose to not follow his commands. |
budgie
10.03.19 | Mussolini treatment [4] |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | Yes I know that’s the claim, I want the statistical analysis. What is a massive campaign? How many ad buys? How many different ads? What was the content? How many unique impressions? How many of those impressions reached likely voters? How many voters were swayed? Sure those answers will be from statistical models and not absolute measurements, but these types of studies are NOT hard to do with our current resources and I am highly cynical about the reasons that information is not out there |
Devastator
10.03.19 | While Mueller didn't prove that Trump didn't collude with Russia he also didn't say he was free of any guilt. He literally went on TV and said "If we felt the president was exonerated fully we would have put it in the report." |
butt.
10.03.19 | "I want the statistical analysis"
Dude. You asked me for the abstract. I gave it to you. If you want to read all 300+ pages to answer the intense level of detail you are requesting....go for it. You can google it. I will not read it to you. |
Devastator
10.03.19 | Anyone see any good movies lately? |
butt.
10.03.19 | Watched Bone Tomahawk last night, kicked ass.
Watching Nightmare on Elm Street 2 and 3 tonight with my pals |
StrizzMatik
10.03.19 | You're describing basic statecraft that literally every country does. America itself has spied on every single country since the inception of wiretapping and has militarily and diplomatically interfered in hundreds of national and local elections, and has the best propaganda system on the planet. Crying about inconsequential Russian attempts to propagandize because you can't accept that HRC was awful and horribly unpopular with everyone just says you can't take an L.
Interesting summary you got there considering all those US citizens charged were for basic process crimes and had no collusion with Russia. None of the charges had anything to do with Trump or his campaign (and in fact many of them were committed while they were hired by Democrats years before Trump ran), and the only indictments levied against Russia were against nationals that will never, ever acknowledge them or answer them in a court, i.e., bullshit and worthless to score media Red Scare points, and make it look like there was a point to Mueller's waste of $40 million dollars. Facts are Mueller was just a naked attempt by intelligence, the Dems and the previous Administration to overthrow a US president with falsified charges to regain power. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | That type of information is easily summarized in 5-6 sentences if available. If something significant was available, it would be republished every day, on every venue. You just restated the thesis without useful supporting context, like pretty much every other case of this claim that I encounter. |
butt.
10.03.19 | "America itself has spied on every single country"
america fucking sucks in a lot of ways, this is no secret. The bigger problem in all of this is that Trump straight up does not believe a word of this investigation's report, and is currently seeking help from OTHER countries to try and discredit the findings. It's fucking bonkers |
Zorg
10.03.19 | If you're clinging to the Mueller report at this point, I really don't know what to tell you...SAD. |
Itwasthatwas
10.03.19 | “X number of Russian state employees purchased Y number of ads. They were seen by Z number of people, Z prime number of likely voters, and Z delta likely changed their vote as a result”. Why is there no concrete claim being circulated out there? Claiming that it’s too complex seems dubious since it’s not more complex than say climate science or the humane genome and we publish lots of useful abstracts about those |
butt.
10.03.19 | every time I talk on politics on sputnik it reminds me why I should never talk politics on sputnik.
y'all have the music taste of cool millenials but the political leanings of my clinically insane grandmother |
Relinquished
10.03.19 | y'all are forgetting why there aren't the results we wish to see
hu$h $$$$ money$ |
JoeTex
10.03.19 | how anyone can still support donnie is baffling. |
Zorg
10.03.19 | I'd say more people agree with you in this thread than don't. |
whalebone
10.03.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
JoeTex
10.03.19 | "moot stuffed with aligators" |
RolyPoly
10.03.19 | Alligators that HATE mexicans |
WeepingBanana
10.03.19 | The Sputnik fascist youth contingent swooped into this thread a little late I see |
Nomos2
10.03.19 | lmao @ Trump supporters, so embarrassed on their behalf |
Devastator
10.03.19 | The alligator report legit made me lol like wtf is this a medieval castle? |
zakalwe
10.03.19 | “America itself has spied on every single country since the inception of wiretapping and has militarily and diplomatically interfered in hundreds of national and local elections, and has the best propaganda system on the planet.”
Exactly. The entire planet does it. Intelligence services, secret services, political espionage and manipulation is a massive part of a nations furtherance.
We haven’t got the first fucking clue what goes on as we are too busy dealing with, talking about and bothered with inconsequential shit. |
Devastator
10.03.19 | You guys gonna see Joker? |
zakalwe
10.03.19 | Dick about with mind bending chemicals and Shoot up me local cinema when it’s on yeah. |
Devastator
10.03.19 | So you're saying we live in a society? |
DrMaximus
10.03.19 | impeach the orange man |
Deathconscious
10.03.19 | what does his race have to do with anything? cheetos deserve equality. |
theYearis1999
10.04.19 | Yes I think the American political system is going to get right on that impeachment! |
unclereich
10.04.19 | 1999 |
GhostB1rd
10.04.19 | RBG just died now Trump gets another SCOTUS pick. |
oltnabrick
10.04.19 | lmao good thread
i dont even care |
RolyPoly
10.04.19 | Hopefully it's not another alcoholic fratbro rapist |
oltnabrick
10.04.19 | why not? that would be epic |
zaruyache
10.04.19 | impeached yes, kicked out no. |
ian b
10.04.19 | i mean maybe, because he's a total dumbass. but also on the other side of things, none of the democrats running really stand out as the perfect counter to him imho. plus, all of the candidates worth voting for (at least to me) arent leading the polls whatsoever so it's hard to say personally. shit's not looking too great idk. |
DrMaximus
10.04.19 | Feel the bern |
zaruyache
10.04.19 | best candidate is bernie and he's doing fine *shrug*
also i like how trump went on tv this morning and asked canada to collude with him too rofl |
oltnabrick
10.04.19 | (((bern))) |
zaruyache
10.04.19 | didnt know the NWO was socialist so that's icing on the cake |
budgie
10.04.19 | seeing that headline the other morning of sanders getting an emergency heart splint fucked my day up |
budgie
10.04.19 | "Hopefully it's not another alcoholic fratbro rapist" RBG isn't dead he's being a fuckhead |
Eons
10.04.19 | i hope he gets impeached and then the super trustworthy and honest democrats can control everything. I trust them 100%. No corruption there at all. |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | Bernie's hospitalization is concerning. might turn some people off from voting for him because theyre afraid he could keel over in office. |
budgie
10.04.19 | 100% going to turn a lot of people off as long as the news keeps it in headlines but i haven't seen it mentioned since that morning, so, maybe the world has already forgotten. i'm sure whomever he runs against will be highlighting the event pretty hard |
zaruyache
10.04.19 | yeah well trump literally stood in the white house lawn and told china to dig up shit on biden too so i think cnn is a little distracted rn to give a shit about bernie |
RolyPoly
10.04.19 | Berndawg is best and that is very depressing news |
GhostB1rd
10.04.19 | Beanie can't even fight sleep apnea and he wants to take on the world lol. |
GhostB1rd
10.04.19 | And yes RBG did die I read it in the Times. |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | Trump's fat big mac ass cant be too far behind, i wouldnt be surprised if he was gone in the next few years (fingers crossed). |
GhostB1rd
10.04.19 | He doesn't eat big macs he eats healthy filet-o-fishes. |
Kompys2000
10.04.19 | Tbh McDonald's filet-o-fish is actually pretty bangin for what it is |
SitarHero
10.04.19 | It's no Popeye's chicken sandwich tho. |
hal1ax
10.04.19 | "His preferred order, according to Lewandowski, is “a full McDonald’s dinner of two Big Macs, two Filet-O-Fish sandwiches, and a small chocolate shake – a total of 2,430 calories.” Trump spoke to CNN host Anderson Cooper about his order, saying: “It’s great stuff.”"
holy shit |
Kompys2000
10.04.19 | Maybe so but I don't eat chicken so ¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
MotokoKusanagi
10.04.19 | i knew this would be a great thread |
budgie
10.04.19 | "And yes RBG did die I read it in the Times."
"He doesn't eat big macs he eats healthy filet-o-fishes."
idk what to say |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.04.19 | mcdicks filet o fish is literally the only option |
Kompys2000
10.04.19 | I was skeptical of em at first but they take care of the 11pm munchies like nobody's business |
GhostB1rd
10.04.19 | Bruh when they had the 2 for 2.50 deal I'd just roll up and order six at a time. |
hal1ax
10.04.19 | How are u not dead |
GhostB1rd
10.04.19 | I didn't eat all six at once.
Or did I? |
zaruyache
10.04.19 | young people metabolisms are wild |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | those text messages r the smoking gun |
DominionMM1
10.04.19 | i hope he gets impeached and then the super trustworthy and honest democrats can control everything. I trust them 100%. No corruption there at all. [2] |
starboystargirl
10.04.19 | lol america |
Rolling Girl
10.04.19 | Impeached? Almost definitely. Removed from office? Probably not, he should be tho. |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | bern's fine, will be at next debate |
StrizzMatik
10.04.19 | Thread is honestly a perfect example of the disconnect between younger millennials/zoomers who get all info from establishment sources, trust their institutions, promote identity politics and socialism, vs. conservatives, populists, pragmatists and former liberals who know better from experience
If you think the establishment would actually teach and promote to you a workable blueprint to overthrow their established order in YOUR favor, and don't understand that socialism is and always has been the same Elite selling you slavery administered by and for them and THEIR benefit, you're a naive fool.
Source: 100 million+ dead in 100+ years |
StrizzMatik
10.04.19 | Bernie, Kamala and everyone below Buttigeig is done and never getting the nomination, be serious. Biden might hang on a few more weeks until the Ukraine situation fully explodes in his face, then he's done. Barring Biden hanging on longer and Warren getting a big push (Wall Street won't support her and Big Tech hate her, so it's not going to happen), expect HRC to run, get the nomination and lose again, bet. They've got no choice. |
Ryus
10.04.19 | There is less than no chance he gets impeached as there has been no crime committed |
Ryus
10.04.19 | 1 is so fucking good
lip service is godly |
butt.
10.04.19 | @Ryus
“Trump just committed a felony violation of law by soliciting something of value in connection with a US election from a foreign gov’t on national TV. 52 U.S. Code § 30121. Violating the law isn’t necessary for Impeachment but it certainly warrants it….After the Mueller investigation, there’s no way Trump was unaware this violates the law.” |
butt.
10.04.19 | this is why we need Bush and Cheney back. MAke America Grate Agaim |
SitarHero
10.04.19 | "there has been no crime committed"
I mean, if you consider using taxpayer money for personal and political ends to not be a crime. |
butt.
10.04.19 | it's really fuckin funny when repubs are like "Trump is just trying to end corruption!!1!"
like, huh, weird how he never cared about Biden's "corruption" until he announced he was running for president. Suddenly that's his top priority. Especially coincidental that Biden is/was leading the polls and beats Trump in all the head to head polls. Hmm. Almost smells fishy |
Ryus
10.04.19 | @buttboy @sitar youve been pasta'd |
StrizzMatik
10.04.19 | https://youtu.be/A8rZ-FJ_uso Tarl spells it out better, but Elizabeth Warren is the Dem frontrunner until HRC comes back. Yer whale cum. |
butt.
10.04.19 | damn our pasta standards have really plummeted I see. and it wasn't me you pasta'd, it's from a Bloomberg article :-] |
Devastator
10.04.19 | Where did you get the idea that Clinton is gonna throw herself back into the ring? If she has half a brain cell she should no that no one wants her pantsuit wearing ass running again. |
butt.
10.04.19 | yeah she's not going to. absolutely not. |
SitarHero
10.04.19 | That's so dumb that Trump's like "yeah that's a very stable genius idea!" |
zakalwe
10.04.19 | This is just a general question to those who want otherwise but what do you want from the leader of one of if not the greatest free empire in history?
What exactly do people want?
|
butt.
10.04.19 | everyone wants something different, but I think there are some basic guidelines that should be followed regardless of your party. MATURITY (I can't emphasize this enough). Be able to handle criticism, accept bad polls, take responsibility, apologize once in a while. UNITE PEOPLE. Find common ground. Treat members of Congress like functioning adults instead of being a playground bully and coming up with silly nicknames for everybody. Lead by uniting people instead of instilling fear and constantly telling your followers that the other party wants to destroy the nation. |
butt.
10.04.19 | and spend less time on twitter. jesus christ, all he does is tweet and retweet from sun up till sundown. |
zakalwe
10.04.19 | That’s true, opposition parties concede nothing. There has to be some common ground to truly unite and push forward.
The backstabbing among a parties own is fucking ridiculous. |
StrizzMatik
10.04.19 | His presence on Twitter, dismissal of PC culture (which is a cancer) and lack of a fake, affected decorum is one of the major reasons people like him and why he comes off as relatable to Americans. He's MUCH more honest than Clinton, Bush or Obama and actually comes through on his campaign promises, which is head-and-shoulders above 90% of his predecessors and other political elite who cynically manipulate you with emotional platitudes. Him going directly to the people instead of letting the media put a filter and a spin on his words is a big deal, and something they can't stand because they honestly believe they should have full control over everything you read, see and believe. |
StrizzMatik
10.04.19 | Coming from someone who voted for BHO in 2008 and opposed Bush 100%, Trump is the bull in the china shop that this country needed to get back to basics of putting our interests as a nation first, reject globalism, and expose the hypocrisy and duality of our entire political system for the entire ugly truth. You have to drastically upend the old order before enacting heavy reforms and actual change in the way we do things, which he has been largely successful doing. When your only other options are full-bore socialism or a return to Obama-era neoliberalism, QE and economic collapse, Trump is the only reasonable pick left. |
RolyPoly
10.04.19 | Lol you're out of touch |
butt.
10.04.19 | "Obama-era neoliberalism" I would take this over Trump's trade wars and 'tax cuts for his wealthy buddies' system ANY day of the week. Everybody fucking hates each other now, and Trump loooves it. He revels in the animosity he creates with his daily divisive rhetoric. Politicians don't treat each other with an ounce of respect anymore and because of that, we accomplish nothing and resort to childish twitter fights all day long. |
butt.
10.04.19 | And if his whole platform is "being honest and telling it like it is" then he has failed miserably. Fact checkers have never been more busy in their lives. He makes up numbers on the spot, pushes old debunked conspiracies, and puts sentences in other people's mouths like there's no tomorrow. As of August, Trump has publicly told over 12,000 false or misleading statements. |
zakalwe
10.04.19 | I couldn’t agree more strizz brother.
Testify pal. |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | Everyone should watch the documentary about trump on netflix. Hes always been a good con man. His war with the media has been going on since the 80s. |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | "He's MUCH more honest than Clinton, Bush or Obama and actually comes through on his campaign promises"
Oh my, he really got you good, huh? |
butt.
10.04.19 | If anyone is curious as to how far back his documented con-ing goes, check out 1973 when the Nixon - yes, NIXON - administration filed a lawsuit against him for discriminatory housing practices. He brags about his high IQ yet refuses to take an IQ test. He brags about being good with money yet refuses to release his tax returns (now three years after he promised he would). The guy is all talk. He has fooled sooo many of you it's frankly embarrassing. |
CaliggyJack
10.04.19 | God Trump is so annoying. His antics were fun the first 2 years but now this shit is just grating. IDC who gets in office, they can get JEB for all I care just somebody else take over. |
SitarHero
10.04.19 | Counterpoint: His bullshit rhetoric has been painful to watch for the past two years, but now that he has fucked up publicly and is running scared from the very real impeachment investigation it's actually fun to watch him meltdown in real time. |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | "Thread is honestly a perfect example of the disconnect between younger millennials/zoomers who get all info from establishment sources, trust their institutions,"
Millennials hate the establishment. Millennials are the ones leading the anti-corruption movement, and its because of that that they absolutely distrust the institutions, dumbfuck. Stop getting all your news from fox while claiming you dont trust the establishment. My god, threads like these always show how insanely out of touch with reality trumptards are, its astounding. |
CaliggyJack
10.04.19 | Tulsi2020 |
Rowhaus
10.04.19 | CNN is very fake news |
CaliggyJack
10.04.19 | All Cable news is fake news ffs |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | foxnews is very fake news |
CaliggyJack
10.04.19 | Babylon Bee is the only news I can trust.
in all seriousness I just get my news from Phil DeFranco. |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | donnie supporters embracing treason. sad |
Zorg
10.04.19 | Fucking pozzed up bluepilled morons telling people to "stop getting your news from fox" like John Stewart is still on the Daily Show. Don't forget to PVR A Little Late with Lilly Singh. |
butt.
10.04.19 | most cable news is "real", just with heavy spin and bias. that's why you gotta read both sides |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | best trump nickname?
Donnie Moscow one of the best |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | "CNN is very fake news"
not in the way trump says so, but yeah, they suck. |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | jim jordan one of your last defenders u know you're in trouble |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | "most cable news is 'real', just with heavy spin and bias."
fox straight up makes shit up. i would know, my dad has that shitshow on all the time. as far as radio and TV news goes, ive been exposed to more conservative news than liberal, and the things they pull out of their asses sometimes are pretty out there. |
butt.
10.04.19 | i hate gym jordan so fucking much |
JoeTex
10.04.19 | hannity. man that dude has a punchable face |
Deathconscious
10.04.19 | so does tucker. buncha fuckin dweebs. |
worthlessscab
10.04.19 | from establishment news Reuters is the least terrible, rest are pure poison
otherwise,
EveryCRSReport.com
Ballotpedia
GovTrack
usafacts.org |
Itwasthatwas
10.04.19 | DC “millennials are the real revolutionaries trust me bro”
Also DC: “watch this documentary on Netflix to learn the truth” |
butt.
10.04.19 | oh yeah i forgot that a doc being on netflix makes it false..? |
Demon of the Fall
10.04.19 | As a Brit I find it absolutely incredible this guy is allowed to lead America and I say that despite our own ‘leader’ being the quite laughable equivalent in BoJo... yet I’m pretty sure if he said the same thing as Trump, he’d be removed from office faster than you can blink. It wouldn’t even be in question, he’d be gone in an instant.
Complete joke. |
zakalwe
10.04.19 | Trump is like Demosthenes in comparison to Dubbya Bush |
worthlessscab
10.04.19 | With traditional media on the decline, netflix is The neoliberal shill factory currently. Just look at who sits on their board. Every show of theirs seems to have a hamfisted neolib message like it's required, which it probably is. |
Rolling Girl
10.04.19 | God damn, I haven’t seen anyone so off base as strizz since...well since my supervisor last week but still. |
Ryus
10.04.19 | orange man…good? |
Cygnatti
10.04.19 | trump being impeached would b cool bc then mike pence will be president and every week we won't have to deal with stupid ppl crying about whatever trump said on twitter or something. |
Egarran
10.04.19 | 3.5/5 thread nice
*popcorn* |
DamnVanne
10.04.19 | “With traditional media on the decline, netflix is The neoliberal shill factory currently. Just look at who sits on their board. Every show of theirs seems to have a hamfisted neolib message like it's required, which it probably is.”
100% agree. Each series they produce seems like it was based on some singular Hiffpost article |
CaliggyJack
10.04.19 | Yeah Trump's quite shit but he still has less of an American citizen body count than Bush does.
Sometimes I hear anti-trumpers talk about how Bush was a better president and I have to just double take. |
CaliggyJack
10.05.19 | Also I love how Fox is so sick of Trump that they are giving positive coverage to Tulsi and Yang just so they can help get him out. |
DominionMM1
10.05.19 | true but bush got them reflexes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4rYWc4o-eY |
CaliggyJack
10.05.19 | Iconic |
Deathconscious
10.05.19 | “millennials are the real revolutionaries trust me bro”
Yeah actually. And gen z.
“watch this documentary on Netflix to learn the truth”
Yeah actually. |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | Man seeing the U.S. and the UK collapsing, is SO SWEET. |
Sinternet
10.05.19 | its never too late for falklands part 2 rodrigo |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | The Kelpers are going mad because they know that the British have to stay in the E.U. in order for them to survive. Keep talking bullshit. I'm all eyes |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | And it's not Falklands
IT'S MALVINAS YOU FUCKING RETARD |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | The islands are geographically located within our continental shelf. You cannot win this discussion. Trust me. Find a better argument, because that one is old |
oltnabrick
10.05.19 | Find a better argument, because that one is old |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | We fought to the very last moments for those lands. And we even have a song to honour them that we sing every april 2nd. |
oltnabrick
10.05.19 | you should sing it april 1st cause ur all fools |
Meridiu5
10.05.19 | Where is your god now libtards???!!!! |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | you should sing it april 1st cause ur all fools
Whatever... |
oltnabrick
10.05.19 | lmao |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | Oh btw, I don't know which one of you are from the U.S. but dude, stop asking us if we drink Tequila. WE ARE NOT FUCKING MEXICO. |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | Are you that retard that you believe that Mexico basically goes all the way down to our country? Jesus Christ, then they ask themselves why Trump is now their president. |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | You ask them to locate a country in a map and they cannot even find where's their own. |
oltnabrick
10.05.19 | who are you arguing with? |
rodrigo90
10.05.19 | With every single user in this thread. |
Sinternet
10.05.19 | falklands is britain forever malvinas is an illegitimate name, argentina can't even win a war lol |
Sinternet
10.05.19 | even thatcher the most retarded and mentally disabled person ever in uk office knew you guys were pushovers |
StrizzMatik
10.05.19 | @butt lol muh tax cuts for the wealthy = 82% of Americans getting a tax cut with an average $1-2000 per family, with the lower and middle classes getting the biggest cuts in comparison to their earnings, but sure vomit out Slate/HuffPo/WaPo talking points divorced from actual reality. Orange Man Bad! Viva le soycialist revolucíon! |
StrizzMatik
10.05.19 | Who the fuck unironically wants a return to Obama-era globalist neoliberalism lol
The best thing about Trump is that he owns property and timeshares in the left's collective heads 24/7/365 to the point where they're insane and cannibalizing themselves, it's beautiful |
Deathconscious
10.05.19 | rodrigo, you are possibly THE dumbest user on the site and youre not worth arguing with, shut the fuck up. |
Deathconscious
10.05.19 | "Who the fuck unironically wants a return to Obama-era globalist neoliberalism lol"
who in this thread wants this?
"The best thing about Trump is that he owns property and timeshares in the left's collective heads 24/7/365 to the point where they're insane and cannibalizing themselves, it's beautiful"
same thing happened when Obama was president. its not exclusive to liberals, despite what your conservative handlers try to tell you. |
Invaderbryan
10.05.19 | Why would anyone want fake Indian warren or heart attack having Bernie? |
CaliggyJack
10.05.19 | I'll never vote for a heavy Socialist president and even I think Trump needs to get the fuck out
Then again I didn't even vote for Trump so I had no stake in his presidency from the beginning. |
Invaderbryan
10.05.19 | Or collapsing Hillary? I’ll vote trump before I’ll vote for any dumbass dem |
MO
10.05.19 | lol he's not gonna get impeached. Keep dreaming |
MO
10.05.19 | hiding behind an alt, classic move kiddo |
butt.
10.05.19 | so apparently half this site is comprised of MAGA hat-wearing boomers
was more fun before I knew this |
RolyPoly
10.05.19 | More accurately, incel mouth breathing edgebro 8channers |
butt.
10.05.19 | @strizz he straight up told his rich friends at Maralago “you all just got a lot richer”. If rich people got richer and poor people got richer, then guess what. One of those parts isnt true. Someone has to pay. This is why our national debt is fuckin ballooning under trump. People forget that basic government functions require funds to operate |
CaliggyJack
10.05.19 | @Invader Bitch did I say I voted for Hillary?
I voted for Johnson, and before you say shit about third parties, stfu |
Calc
10.05.19 | what MO said. as sad as that is. |
Sinternet
10.05.19 | mods should straight up ban politics lists |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.05.19 | Just here to read rodrigo posts |
hal1ax
10.05.19 | i came here to learn about the free marketplace of ideas |
Itwasthatwas
10.05.19 | I never know what rodrigo is talking about but im ok with that |
Kompys2000
10.05.19 | The fact that Strizz has Propagandhi and Refused 5ed is fucking hysterical given his comments itt |
Itwasthatwas
10.05.19 | lol butt cries about boomers while regurgitating the worldview of a 50 year old white woman guzzling wine in her manhattan shoebox, trying desperately to drown the crushing sadness she feels over her barren womb |
Egarran
10.05.19 | *makes more popcorn* |
StrizzMatik
10.05.19 | @butt that's why I don't take you seriously, because it's comments like this prove that you don't know what you're talking about. of course his tax cuts benefited wealthy people as well, so fucking what? Being rich doesn't make you an evil person, that's just galaxy brain stupidity. Who do you think creates most jobs? People are doing better on average than they have done in a long time in this country, and the unemployment rate across the board is the lowest it's been since the 60s. No wars started under Trump, no international incidents, if it weren't for his Twitter persona and the collective meltdown of the left it would be the most boring Presidency in ages. Funny how you talk about the debt ballooning under Trump, but I bet you were totally fine with it when Barack Obama raised it an additional $12 trillion dollars right? Platitudes and hyperbole aren't an argument, and your fucking tax dollars go towards the interest on the Federal Reserve debt, not for goods and services LMFAO.
LMFAO do I need to be a commie or a socialist to enjoy Propagandhi and Refused? They write amazing music first and foremost that I enjoy regardless of whether I agree with their personal stances. Or does it just blow your mind that when I rated those albums 15+ years ago I was a lot more left-leaning? Big think |
Ryus
10.05.19 | keep arguing im almost there |
Deathconscious
10.05.19 | "People are doing better on average than they have done in a long time in this country, and the unemployment rate across the board is the lowest it's been since the 60s."
Lmao. I have to say it again, stop watching fox dude. Get a dose of reality. |
SitarHero
10.06.19 | Lol yeah. Cost of living way up. Wages stagnant. GoFundMe is the country's largest health insurer. Yup, sounds like things are going swimmingly. |
rodrigo90
10.06.19 | I never know what rodrigo is talking about but im ok with that
Well the Mexican thing was because we had a skype conversation with a class from North Carolina, I think? and many of them wanted to travel here, and asked us if we drank Tequila. Because they cannot see further from Mexico in a map, apparently |
Tyler.
10.06.19 | should i drink another beer
|
Meridiu5
10.06.19 | Lol yeah. Cost of living way up. Wages stagnant. GoFundMe is the country's largest health insurer. Yup, sounds like things are going swimmingly.
None of these were problems until Democrats raised the costs with their bad policy: employer health mandates, medicare, SS, could go on for days |
zaruyache
10.06.19 | obummercare was center right legislation, yeah. |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | *romney introduces obamacare*
republicans: 3====D~~~
*obama basically steals same idea*
republicans: >:[ |
unclereich
10.06.19 | Stop watching fox bro cmon watch netflix |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | i mean, yeah. that sounds way more enjoyable. |
unclereich
10.06.19 | I wouldn’t know |
SitarHero
10.06.19 | "None of these were problems until Democrats raised the costs with their bad policy: employer health mandates, medicare, SS, could go on for days"
None of these were problems until the colonies won their independence either, but doesn't mean that you have the slightest grasp of relevance, causation and correlation. |
Egarran
10.06.19 | Probably not Strixx' intended message, but he basically says a majority of American voters are stupid as fuck. |
JoeTex
10.06.19 | 2nd whistleblower comes forth. not looking good for donnie |
Egarran
10.06.19 | He may be a bad president after all. |
StrizzMatik
10.06.19 | @Deathconsciousness Wages are up for the first time in years lol the fuck you talmbout
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/business/economy/wage-growth-economy.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps-best-since-the-great-recession.html
Lmao. I have to say it again: saying "tsch" and "pfft" isn't an argument, and I don't watch Fox, so come back with facts not posturing
Sitar: Cost of living up? Where, in Dem-controlled cities? And you should probably get a job with benefits instead of waiting for universal health care that will never work in the USA, or pass the Senate. |
StrizzMatik
10.06.19 | Uhuhuh like causation isn't correlation guys, it's only coincidence that bad economic policies, huge increases in handouts, insane taxation and government bloat seem to always happen under Democrat leadership, tOtALLy nOt ReLeVaNt |
SitarHero
10.06.19 | Ok, pop quiz.
The economy going into recession every time there has been a Republican in the White House over the past 30 years: Causation, correlation or coincidence? |
RadioheadIsOverrated
10.06.19 | They better not take him out of office, otherwise Pence will be in office and electrocute LGBTQ people. |
RolyPoly
10.06.19 | he'll put us in the concentration camps with the evil brown people |
unclereich
10.06.19 | Dont be poor |
Ryus
10.06.19 | Dont be poor [2] |
Intothepit
10.06.19 | The retardation in this thread is strooooooooooonnnnggggg |
StrizzMatik
10.06.19 | @Sitar the economy is fine, we're not in a recession. It's gone nowhere but up since Obama left, hitting over a hundred growth records since
https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/04/us-economy-is-cooling-its-not-collapsing/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/whys-it-so-awkward-to-say-the-economy-is-great/595408/
Get a better job and cope harder |
SitarHero
10.06.19 | Lol, I'm doing pretty well, thanks. But I can see how it must be hard for you to understand empathy.
And yeah, I know we're not in a recession, but there's still a whole year left in this term isn't there?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/business/overnight-lending-rate-spike-ny-fed/index.html
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-growth-concerns-send-us-indexes-sinking-2019-10-1028572047 |
Ryus
10.06.19 | Get a better job and cope harder |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | @strizz strawman arguments arent arguments either. Gee, things are marginally better since the 2008 crash. Great job Trump (even though things were already trending that way under Obama)! The middle class is still fucked.
"Dem-controlled cities?"
Hmm, isnt Mississipi, THE poorest state in 2018, a heavily conservative state? Interesting. |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | "the economy is fine"
Hahaha, oh my god. Yep, youre in fox news lala land for sure. |
zaruyache
10.06.19 | the stock market doing big numbers doesn't mean workers are doing great, which they largely aren't. Which is the actual point that matters, since if workers aren't doing well then eventually the economy will crumble. |
RolyPoly
10.06.19 | Get a better job and cope harder
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Egarran
10.06.19 | threejobscantpayrent.jpeg |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | "but da rich people are doing good so ew all doing!! good!"
- conservatives |
JoeTex
10.06.19 | mitt vs donnie |
hal1ax
10.06.19 | Get a better job and cope harder
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Tyler.
10.06.19 | let me just get a better job why didnt i think of that |
Tyler.
10.06.19 | im so fucking stupid |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | Might have to put some of strizz's quotes up on my copypasta list. |
hal1ax
10.06.19 | so lame how poor people don't even know how to cope hard like me and all my suburban white middle class friends |
Egarran
10.06.19 | Every time I'm contemplating weighing in on some minority's problems, an inner voice says 'stfu white man'.
It has saved me many times. |
Sowing
10.06.19 | I lost about 12 IQ points reading this thread. Carry on m/ |
Egarran
10.06.19 | You must never have read a Trump thread before. This is better than most. |
Deathconscious
10.06.19 | sputnik is pretty mild these days. |
osmark86
10.06.19 | Get a better job and cope harder |
Kompys2000
10.07.19 | Get a jobber hard and bet coper |
SitarHero
10.07.19 | You must never have read a Trump thread before. This is better than most. [2]
At least meridiu didn't go off on a tangent about how atheists should just kill themselves because they don't believe in god so there's no point in living.
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JoeTex
10.08.19 | impeachment train full speed ahead |
SitarHero
10.08.19 | Don't worry guys, great and unmatched wisdom at play here. Everything's gonna be okay. |
DrMaximus
10.08.19 | why don't poor people just go to the fridge |
unclereich
10.08.19 | Drmax! Tallest user on sput |
GhostB1rd
10.09.19 | "The economy going into recession every time there has been a Republican in the White House over the past 30 years: Causation, correlation or coincidence?"
Now do it with who controls Congress. |
Egarran
10.09.19 | You please do it ghost. Sounds like work and I assume you have the answers. |
butt.
10.09.19 | Honestly I'd say the president influences the economy more than Congress. But The Fed and other major world powers have even more influence |
SitarHero
10.09.19 | Funny how the president gets the credit when the economy is doing well but Congress gets the blame when it's doing badly. |
butt.
10.09.19 | oh it's incredible. every day the market is up, Trump tweets about how great his unmatched wisdom is. Then the next day when it's down, he blasts the Fed for not giving him negative interest rates (like what the actual FUCK?!) while completely ignoring the fact that he's starting a trade war with China. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | Trump reveals how gullible conservatives are. Like conning 5 year olds, it aint hard. And yes, the left can be conned too (Obama), but theyd never be dumb enough to vote for someone as brazenly idiotic and corrupt as Trump. At least the corporate shills the left votes for are more convincing and less out-in-the-open corrupt. Its really astounding to me how so many people can be that dumb, i actually had more faith in the American people before Trump was elected. Not much, but more. |
butt.
10.09.19 | technically, 3 million more people voted HRC |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | Thats true, which point are you making though? |
Demon of the Fall
10.09.19 | Is this thread worth reading? You know, for the funnies. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | Check strizz's comments for sure. |
hobblepot
10.09.19 | whatever happened to the days where presidents got shot? like and rt if sad |
butt.
10.09.19 | i guess my point was that "the people" voted for HRC. which is only the tiniest bit better than trump, but hey, those were our options. Of the 138m votes casted, 2% of them were essentially thrown in a trash can |
JoeTex
10.09.19 | "turkey unleashes attack on kurds in syria after donnie withdraws american forces" |
butt.
10.09.19 | yup, another dumbass move by captain bonespurs who claims to know more about military than his own Generals, the Pentagon, etc.
What an absolutely royal piece of shit.
zak, strizz, reich, anyone care to chime in now? |
JoeTex
10.09.19 | but turkey must be very afraid that little donnie's gonna wreck their economy, he did it before.... |
SitarHero
10.09.19 | Turkey better hope its economy isn't a casino business, because he can definitely destroy and obliterate those... |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | ITT: lefties who used to oppose war now love it cuz Trump wants to pull out of the ME
In your head, rent free, 24/7/365 |
butt.
10.09.19 | I do oppose war. Pulling US support away from the Kurds will allow war to flourish (as we're seeing in the headlines today) and will almost certainly lead to an Islamic State resurgence. |
SitarHero
10.09.19 | Strizz' bloodstream is like 90% Kool Aid at this point. |
Zig
10.09.19 | save the planet
eat the children |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | Lol @Death you haven't said anything worth mentioning other than "nUh uH" and "muh empathy" and stream-of-consciousness TDS, meanwhile I'm giving you stats that shoot holes in your narrative and you've got nothing but anecdotes and MSM talking points. Yeah, it really IS as simple as getting a better job. Unfortunately you also need skills, experience and value to get them, and they tend to frown on useless degrees too, bummer
- Despite your middle class doomporning, general unemployment is the lowest in decades (lowest in US history with minorities) and consumer optimism is the highest on record, that's a whole lot better than "marginal" improvement from 2008 under Obama that only came from QE and Fed currency manipulation. But yeah, I'm sure a crash is riiiight around the corner cuz angry media partisan talking heads said words
- Keep telling yourself the popular vote/mob rule means something in a Constitutional republic, all to cope with HRC's shit campaign and blowout EC loss
- Keep begging for a recession to stick it to Trump, like that isn't full-blown insanity or anything. Muh empathy indeed
- A trade war with China is 100% in our favor, they need us buying their crap to stay afloat, not the other way around. Their economy is in tatters from the tariffs, unlike ours, and tariffs were what the government used to finance its itself before the creation of the Fed, so that's a way of circumventing their influence and not having to rely on QE to prop up the economy like Obama did
- Saying "Fox News" in lieu of an actual argument is not a counterpoint lol
- We aren't the world police and Syria/Turkey/the Kurds aren't our problem, why do I even have to say that? We gave them millions in funding already to fight ISIS, and we have no dog in their fight. It's well past time to GTFO |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @Sitar I'll take that over the 100% impotent rage flowing through your veins though |
SitarHero
10.09.19 | Lol @ someone using TDS unironically in an 6 paragraph comment calling anyone else out over impotent rage. |
botb
10.09.19 | Serious question for the trumpers ITT:
Does the incessant loophole using and lawyering up of Trump and his attempts to be just as difficult and blockaded as possible whenever he’s accused of any wrongdoing ever wear on you? I just truly don’t understand why his base buys into the bullshit and wouldn’t rather just have full transparency to show he hasn’t done anything wrong? It’s like the exact same rhetoric trumpers use when someone is killed by police (“well they should have just cooperated, if they didn’t nothing wrong let them search the car, etc etc”) is thrown out the window whenever trump is involved |
danielito19
10.09.19 | Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years. |
zakalwe
10.09.19 | Can’t beat a bit of boom ‘n bust |
kris.
10.09.19 | hmm, always thought strizz was an ok guy
damn shame |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "i guess my point was that "the people" voted for HRC. which is only the tiniest bit better than trump"
right, but first of all, a lot of people were only voting for her because they didnt want Trump in office, and secondly, on a surface level she doesnt appear so corrupt and stupid (she is certainly smarter than Trump, though). it would be harder for casual voters to pick up on that. whereas Trump, its just so fucking obvious from any level that hes a sleazy corrupt businessman and also a dumbass. |
Egarran
10.09.19 | The idea that it's ridiculous/pathetic to think a lot about Trump is pretty weird.
Well, it's a straw to clutch. |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | Serious question for the anti-Trumpers ITT:
Does the fact that the media is constantly using unverified, anonymous sources with no credibility to bolster their attempts to block and obstruct Trump's agenda, incite civil war and conflict regularly, and avoid any responsibility for their actions ever wear on you? I mean how many times do they have to be caught lying to your face, inciting violence on political opponents, censoring your content, carrying water for the elite, slandering anyone who disagrees with them, calling everyone racists, sexists and misogynists before you realize that they all HATE you, and by extension Trump, since he was elected by the People? I just truly don’t understand why you buy into bullshit from proven liars and frauds going back decades, unironically buy into establishment propaganda, and wouldn’t support attempts to hold them responsible for their lies? Why wouldn't you want your President to tell you directly what's happening himself via Twitter and public addresses, versus passing it through their neoliberal sanitized filter? It’s like the exact same rhetoric that the left and anti-Trumpers use about the rich, the government and the media being corrupt pieces of shit just fly out the window because they confirm your biases about the evil Drumpf.
Lol but seriously, you act as if he hasn't already been through vetting and dozens of internal investigations just running for President. I'm all for exposing corruption, the only problem is it's very clearly only acceptable to hold Trump and the Rs accountable or expose their hypocrisy, whereas none of those standards apply to anyone else because they're all friends.
@Kris I'm doing fine broski, my political leanings don't imply anything about my character |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "you haven't said anything worth mentioning other than "nUh uH" and "muh empathy" and stream-of-consciousness TDS, meanwhile I'm giving you stats that shoot holes in your narrative and you've got nothing but anecdotes and MSM talking points."
you only provided one set of stats, which i didnt even deny and explained why theyre irrelevant. i wrecked you and then you never responded lmao, get your head out of your ass dipshit. |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | "I do oppose war. Pulling US support away from the Kurds will allow war to flourish (as we're seeing in the headlines today) and will almost certainly lead to an Islamic State resurgence."
This literally sounds like something Nixon would say if he were alive today. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Egarran
10.09.19 | "you act as if he hasn't already been through vetting and dozens of internal investigations just running for President."
You act as if he has not later been exposed as shamelessly corrupt. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | - Despite your middle class doomporning, general unemployment is the lowest in decades (lowest blah blah
most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. the middle class is only hanging on, not flourishing. thats great that unemployment is down (once again, already trending that way under Obama, Trump just inherited those statistics and somehow didnt fuck it up, so pat on the back to him for that i guess), but your average person is one instance of bad luck away from getting fucked.
"Keep begging for a recession to stick it to Trump"
youre making things up, but Trumptards tend to do that.
"Saying "Fox News" in lieu of an actual argument is not a counterpoint lol"
duh, im just informing you that youre fucking dumb for believing and regurgitating establishment propaganda. |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | "most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck"
And who pays those checks? Taxing the rich is a failed approach |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Taxing the rich is a failed approach"
arguably the most prosperous time in American history had much higher taxes on the rich, so no, its actually been proven to work. |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | "arguably the most prosperous time in American history had much higher taxes on the rich, so no, its actually been proven to work."
Not true, also correlation doesn't mean causation |
zakalwe
10.09.19 | 🇺🇸 |
SitarHero
10.09.19 | Here's some fine due diligence in the vetting and internal investigation department.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449949-leaked-trump-transition-vetting-documents-show-numerous-officials |
RolyPoly
10.09.19 | "I'm doing fine broski, my political leanings don't imply anything about my character"
Disagree, you can tell alot about a person based on politics |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | some people had "red flags"... wow, that's crazy |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Not true"
look at the tax rates in the 1950's compared to now. its demonstrably true. |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @Death, so more anecdotes and no evidence that the sky is falling? Gotcha. Again you miss the point - the only reason things got better under Barack Obama's term was because of quantitative easing from the Fed propping up an economy that would have imploded otherwise. His job creation numbers are a joke and he is the only President in US history to not even achieve 2% GDP growth average over the course of his terms. Meanwhile, every economist and predictor said that everything would implode under Trump and it has done nothing but go up and up and up, added 4 million+ jobs, repatriating trillions of dollars in investment. Under Trump we are now a net energy exporter too. To say that he inherited this from Barack Obama is a fucking fallacy and shows you don't know jack shit about economics. The ACTUAL reason Trump's economy is doing so well is because he cut regulations and lowered the corporate/business tax rate from 35% to 21%, stimulating billions of dollars of investment. Not that I'm expecting any kind of nuance, knowledge or subtlety from someone who actually uses the term Trumptard unironically, but hey, you also think over-taxing rich people will work instead of just making them move operations overseas lol
@Egarran lol, tell me more about how the chief law enforcement officer in the country is somehow wrong for asking the head of a foreign country to investigate crimes committed by American citizens in their nation? Your logic is literally that Trump committed a crime by looking into the crimes of another politician while he was in office who ACTUALLY bribed people and then bragged about it on camera, but yes, Orange Man Bad |
kris.
10.09.19 | "I'm doing fine broski, my political leanings don't imply anything about my character"
extremely debatable but go off i suppose |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @RolyPoly so does that mean that Hillary Clinton supporters also supported locking up African Americans in droves, a World War 3 with Russia and North Korea, fleecing billions from Haiti, having your political rivals assassinated and pay-to-play? |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "so more anecdotes and no evidence that the sky is falling?"
i dont think you know what anecdotes are. |
Sinternet
10.09.19 | employment rates are an almost useless stat when it doesn't include what that employment is - zero-hour contracts are still employment, but you'd struggle to earn a living in that kind of employment |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "every economist and predictor said that everything would implode under Trump and it has done nothing but go up and up and up"
we still have time. and it has not gone up and up, lmao.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stocks-fall-amid-rising-fears-of-economic-slowdown-11570004904
and once again, the wealthy doing well doesnt mean shit for the rest of us.
"i dont watch fox."
sure you dont. |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @Death "an argument regarded as unreliable or hearsay" nah, sounds about right
@Kris if you blindly think anyone on the other side of the political spectrum are inherently evil or wrong, you have the political smarts of an 8th grader. Not debatable. |
butt.
10.09.19 | big LOL to anyone in this thread who believes in trickle-down economics. I don't expect you to openly endorse it by its name, but it's obvious that some of you are on the train and it's embarrassing |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "'an argument regarded as unreliable or hearsay' nah, sounds about right"
nah, everything ive said is based on logic and stats you can easily find yourself. keep on sucking off your master, Trumpboi. |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @death but I DON'T watch Fox lol. Smirk away and you're still wrong, feel free to comfort yourself with self-serving liberal cliches, same thing. You can still cry about the proles and middle class doing awful, and the numbers just don't reflect the narrative you're pushing. The majority of the country is doing better than they were under Obama, that's just a fact, hence why he's almost certain to get re-elected. OMG, a 800 point slump after years of near-constant growth?! dUrmPLe tErP iS fInNish! Any day now he'll be impeached!⁴³
But keep on keeping on with those lefty chestnuts and other things you desperately wish were true, like Trump ever getting impeached, or socialism ever working |
kris.
10.09.19 | "so does that mean that Hillary Clinton supporters also supported locking up African Americans in droves, a World War 3 with Russia and North Korea, fleecing billions from Haiti, having your political rivals assassinated and pay-to-play?"
my guy if you can't see the deep, deep irony in posting this, then there's absolutely no point discussing any of this with you. fuck off to 8chan or something. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Yeah, it really IS as simple as getting a better job."
this is going on my pasta list as well. classic stuff. |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @death "I COULD show you how I'm right, but here's some ad hominem instead" mkay guy, fixate on Trump's dick more, totally not weird and gay how you all seem to do that |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "OMG, a 800 point slump after years of near-constant growth?!"
lol youre the one who said it just keeps going UP and UP and UP! just giving you "stats that shoot holes in your narrative", sorry if its inconvenient! |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @kris sweaty/my dude/my bro/my guy, those are just facts, quotes and actual actions from HRC and her platforms over the years. If you can't see that your original premise of judging people based on who they voted for was dumb, then go play in traffic |
RolyPoly
10.09.19 | Social democracy works just fine, trickle down economics on the other hand 😒 |
kris.
10.09.19 | that's cool but i also don't give a shit about HRC and what she did in the past and don't understand why she has permanent rent-free space in your heads. she lost. that's great. she's fucked off. why do you people keep bringing her up as if she's the supreme leader of antifa or something? find some new boogeyman. i'm just as fucking sick of hearing about her as you people probably are.
trump has done every single one of those things you posted. he projects harder than a fucking AMC on just about everything he accuses lefties of doing. it's remarkable. |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | Lmao show me how or where Trump robbed Haiti of billions, passed crime bills that fucked over black people, is trying to start wars, is having rivals killed, or engaging in pay-to-play - oh wait, he didn't, not even once lol
I used her and her voters - many of which are good people who have nothing to do with HER crimes or policies - as an example of why your premise was stupid, and YOU turned it into a rant about how people can't let go of HRC. Hurrdurr, maybe because it's a pertinent comparison and entirely relevant? |
StrizzMatik
10.09.19 | @rolypoly yeah, I suppose in culturally-homogenized Western European first-world countries with populations of 9 million white people, a capitalist economy and the USA paying for their defense and subsidizing their economies, social democracy works great! |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | your whole "just gejt a betre jobb!!!" ideology is pretty gross, so yeah, sometimes politics can tell you a lot about someone. |
Gyromania
10.09.19 | Trump haters love to focus on his ridiculous twitter antics more than his actual government
It's kinda brilliant. And then you have seemingly good guys like Obama who was way worse but gets a pass because of his public image. |
CaliggyJack
10.09.19 | Oh God Hillary might run again Jesus Christ. |
ShadowRemains
10.09.19 | "@Kris I'm doing fine broski, my political leanings don't imply anything about my character"
what is your opinion on minorities and the decreasing taxation of the wealthy |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "And then you have seemingly good guys like Obama who was way worse but gets a pass because of his public image."
this is true, people are fooled into thinking he's a nice guy who just wants whats best for everyone and that he isnt a corporate shill. as i was saying before though, Trumptards are really fucking dumb because he's not convincing on any level. |
CaliggyJack
10.09.19 | Putin will declare war if you look at him funny it ain't hard to ignite WW3 with Russia. |
RolyPoly
10.09.19 | I dont use twitter but trump and his policies are trash |
wwf
10.09.19 | personally Im a big fan of the executive branch being completely above all checks and balances and I don't give a flying fuck about what's legal or even possible
Tell me how a Trump impeachment can help with that, poptarts |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Not that I'm expecting any kind of nuance, knowledge or subtlety from someone who actually uses the term Trumptard unironically"
i used to not like the term, but at this point if you still support him you are actually a fucking retard, so im fine with the term now, and thats how Trump supporters should be seen. |
Gyromania
10.09.19 | I don't support trump, just saying the US has had way worse presidents but people are too busy focusing on the man, the jackass instead of the policies and such. People are easily duped and trump is just such a hateable guy. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | like who? as far as i know there arent "way worse", he seems to be right up there with some of the worst. |
Gyromania
10.09.19 | Why's that? Because he's a douchebag on the internet? He's done some shady shit and I don't agree with a lot of policies but at least he didn't perpetuate a pointless war like the last 2 |
Sinternet
10.09.19 | is ur only metric for determining a good leader what wars they start? |
Gyromania
10.09.19 | Has trump started or kept a war going, costing god knows how much in funding and sacrificing how many lives? |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | disaster for the environment
actively suppresses climate science
brazen liar (and yes, i know most politicians are, but he's especially bad)
xenophobic
low IQ
seems that his mental faculties are eroding
inciting violence on someone while offering to pay for the attacker's bail
fascistic tendencies
many women have come forward accusing him of sexual misconduct, and based on the way he talks about women, i wouldnt be surprised
massive conflict of interest; uses his position as president to benefit his business endeavors
and on and on. and youre right, he hasnt started a war yet, but he's trying to. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | oh yeah, and dont forget that auto makers agreed to live up to better fuel efficiency standards and then Trump lowered the standards instead.
also trying to take healthcare away from even more Americans.
rolling back safety regulations.
supporting a genocide in Yemen.
pulling out of the Iran deal.
increasing drone strikes
i could go on all day.
inflating the disgustingly huge military budget more than it already was |
Ryus
10.09.19 | Yeah, it really IS as simple as getting a better job |
blastOFFitsPARTYtime
10.09.19 | Tasty wee drop this one: https://www.behemothbrewing.co.nz/beer/impeachment-sour-ale |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | lol. im not on the impeachment train, but thats pretty funny. |
blastOFFitsPARTYtime
10.09.19 | This one's even tastier: https://www.behemothbrewing.co.nz/beer/dump-the-trump
All jokes aside, Behemoth is the GOAT brewery |
Egarran
10.09.19 | Obama moved the goalposts a foot in one direction so we're gonna move them a mile the other direction, it's only a reasonable precaution. |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | "look at the tax rates in the 1950's compared to now. its demonstrably true."
So you're saying, because of this correlation, America was great in the 50's? I thought America was never great and saying it was makes you a fascist. You also don't think it had anything to do with, say, coming out victorious from WWII? |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "I thought America was never great and saying it was makes you a fascist"
did i say America was never great, or that it was great back then? who are you talking to? America was never simply great or not great, its more complicated than that. and of course WWII had a hand in it. but the 50s proved that the fearmongering over high taxes on the rich are unfounded. trickle down economics are a joke. |
Gyromania
10.09.19 | Oh whoa random women are stepping forth claiming sexual abuse? Let's burn the fucker at the stake. That low iq too eh. I'll bet you're 180 mensa. Prob trounce him in politics. |
JWT155
10.09.19 | This list will be fun to read |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Oh whoa random women are stepping forth claiming sexual abuse?"
the sheer number of women and Trump's Freudian slips on how he sees women makes me think theres probably something to some of those claims.
and do you really think Trump doesnt have a low IQ? seriously? |
Meridiu5
10.09.19 | "but da rich people are doing good so ew all doing!! good!"
- conservatives
Even poor people do better in rich countries, duh |
RolyPoly
10.09.19 | Wouldn't it be nice if there was some progress when it comes to sexual assault cases, let's just repeat anita hill treatment for all eternity
|
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Even poor people do better in rich countries, duh"
no shit, whats your point? in what way do you think that refutes my argument? |
SitarHero
10.09.19 | "Prob trounce him in politics."
Maybe not, but DEFINITELY trounce him in a spelling bee or a math test. |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | "trickle down economics are a joke."
Bro you really need to stop cherry-picking your correlations. The federal government doubled income tax rates in 1932 when FDR was in office and there was a tremendous increase in unemployment that lasted for years. Does that mean high taxes caused more unemployment? Not necessarily, but basic economic theory indicates that higher taxation leads to less consumption, which in turn means less employment due to reduced demand for consumer goods. There's also an even bigger wrench in the works that you're not considering, which is that wealthy people have the means to evade crippling taxation through lawyers, offshoring, etc. |
Sinternet
10.09.19 | wealthy people already have that means and use it regardless, the fact that a lot of those practices are easy is because the political class have a vested interest in keeping it that way so don't even attempt to close the loopholes
'basic economic theory indicates that higher taxation leads to less consumption'
any time someone says the words 'basic economic theory' together they're 90% guaranteed to be talking out their arse. this idea is most applicable at the average consumer level - that's the middle-class and working-class. i'd like to see you back up the idea that higher taxation on the highest earners reduces total economic consumption |
Sinternet
10.09.19 | we very much live in a 'privatise the profits, nationalise the losses' world |
CaliggyJack
10.09.19 | Honestly if you start a war with 0 point to it I consider you objectively worse than any other president who hasn't. Not saying Trump is a good President, but I consider starting (and losing) a war sacrificing countless lives of your own people is the worst thing any countries leader can do bar none. Some might consider denying climate change a worse offense, but I disagree. |
Meridiu5
10.09.19 | I doubt anyone in this thread knows about economy or the markets. Probably don't even know what an FD is |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | Taxation reduces the purchasing power of the people and it reduces their consumption. The decline in consumption leads to decrease in effective demand for the goods and services, which in turn affects the production of these commodities. Ultimately, the reduction in consumption leads to a reduction in employment opportunities. |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Some might consider denying climate change a worse offense, but I disagree."
it could literally end our civilization, so its not even close.
"Not saying Trump is a good President, but I consider starting (and losing) a war sacrificing countless lives of your own people is the worst thing any countries leader can do bar none."
dont worry, hes really trying his best to start one. |
rabidfish
10.09.19 | President Trump won't cancel his WoW classic subscription, let's get 'im, gamers |
CaliggyJack
10.09.19 | "it could literally end our civilization, so its not even close."
Your opinion man. Climate Change is a slow burn. War is not. |
Rowhaus
10.09.19 | “wealthy people already have that means and use it regardless, the fact that a lot of those practices are easy is because the political class have a vested interest in keeping it that way so don't even attempt to close the loopholes”
So your solution is to embolden the political class via more government intervention? |
Deathconscious
10.09.19 | "Your opinion man. Climate Change is a slow burn. War is not."
yeah thats the problem though. everyone is just letting the ship sink because theyre not seeing any immediate problems that they have to deal with yet. by the time we get a fire lit under our asses because we start seeing the damage, it'll be too late to fix it. |
JWT155
10.09.19 | Some of the "facts" here about Income Inequality are just flat out false.
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2019/demo/p60-266.pdf
Here's the official Census Report. Believe it or not most people are doing better, despite what you're being spoonfed on Cable TV from both sides.
Are we in a perfect spot? No. But average income across the board is going up, pverty is down by 1.4 Million people between 2017 and 2018, and people do have the ability to move between economic statuses. |
JWT155
10.09.19 | From the report:
"The share of equivalence-adjusted aggregate household income in the lowest quintile, second quintile, and third quintile increased by 3.9 percent, 2.3 percent, and 1.5 percent, respectively, while the share of aggregate household income in the highest quintile decreased by 1.1 percent between 2017 and 2018."
In short, the highest Quintile (Highest earning bracket) saw a DECREASE in aggregate income between 2017 and 2018 while the lowest 3 Quintiles all saw significant increases. |
botb
10.10.19 | @strizz
If you think the man who made another grown person come out and do a press conference because he rolled over his phone and tweeted “covfefe” in the middle of the night SWEARING to everyone that a very select few people knew what he meant is going to use his twitter to tell people the truth you’re as dumb as a bag of rocks, but I gathered that from everything you’ve typed itt so far |
sixdegrees
10.10.19 | mister trump sir, your fired |
CaliggyJack
10.10.19 | "yeah thats the problem though. everyone is just letting the ship sink because theyre not seeing any immediate problems that they have to deal with yet. by the time we get a fire lit under our asses because we start seeing the damage, it'll be too late to fix it."
That is a problem, but climate change is a somewhat salvageable issue. Dead soldiers are not. |
JWT155
10.10.19 | Climate change is complicated.
Yes, I believe it's happening, but it's also more than fair to think tha it is not worth crippling our economy to solve an issue that we can only control 10-15% of, while the other 85% of the planet is going to continue to make it worse. Use the Titanic as an analogy, there's 20 subcompartments flooding with water. We're bailing out two compartments at full speed, meanwhile the other 18 are taking on more and more water at an even faster rate than before. We need collaboration across the board, but we need to be pragmatic about climate change, and not jeapardize our entire economy to solve an issue we alone can't control.
Solar and wind are great options to explore, but we simply don't have the battery technology to store that energy. If anything Nuclear needs to be expanded, and that's something many Democrats have completely left off the table.
Also, for a majority of third world countries, they will need to exponentially increase emissions in order to join our ranks. Who are we to tell countries in Asia, Africa, South America that may not have electric or running water in villages that they must remain in the third world? That they can't increase pollution to join the modern world? Fact is that we need the world to become more modern, and that means more pollution.
I've been to Asia multiple times, the pollution there makes the dirtiest places here look spotless. And it's only getting worse. I'm all for private businesses and consumers to push for more energy efficient alternatives.
I'm not for the Government making decisions that become costly and as always has adverse consequences usually worse than the problem it was trying to solve. |
blastOFFitsPARTYtime
10.10.19 | Fish.
Are.
Friends. |
EoinCofa
10.10.19 | Humans are the problem. You, me, everyone in between, and everyone on the periphery.
'Cause I'm praying for rain
I'm praying for tidal waves
I want to see the ground give way
I want to watch it all go down
Mom, please flush it all away
I want to see it go right in and down
I want to watch it go right in
Watch you flush it all away
Time to sip a beer and enjoy our human douchiness! |
Deathconscious
10.10.19 | "That is a problem, but climate change is a somewhat salvageable issue. Dead soldiers are not."
yeah, its salvageable, but for a limited amount of time. i dont get your logic. there wont be any soldiers at all if we dont fix this problem. according to scientists who study this subject, we need to do it soon. its not something we can take our time on or take a weak stance on. |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | "Use the Titanic as an analogy, there's 20 subcompartments flooding with water. We're bailing out two compartments at full speed, meanwhile the other 18 are taking on more and more water at an even faster rate than before."
So your solution is to not bail at all? *slow clap* |
Deathconscious
10.10.19 | hypothetically, if its between bold environmental action and saving the soldiers, ill take the bold action. it might sound harsh, but we're talking about mass famine, economic and ecological collapse, the end of civilization as we know it, and worst case scenario, human extinction. both are important, but yeah, i think making sure the world doesnt end just might be a teensy bit more important than not getting into another unnecessary war. |
oltnabrick
10.10.19 | hypothetically would you be down to make out in the afterlife? |
unclereich
10.10.19 | prove that you're oltnabrick |
JWT155
10.10.19 | No. We should continue making strides, and we are. This idea that there government is going to solve this issue is laughable. Incetivizing companies and individuals to take risks with ideas is what will solve these issues. You honestly don't think there are plenty of bright entrepreneurs who if given a chance to innovate won't want to solve the energy crisis and make millions if not billions off of their inventions and technology? Look no further than silicon valley.
I also find it eye opening the wage gap conversion no one wants to debate now that I actually provided some concrete evidence that people are just wildly misinformed. |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | "hypothetically would you be down to make out in the afterlife?"
Do you still have the nosering? |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | "We should continue making strides, and we are. This idea that there government is going to solve this issue is laughable. Incetivizing companies and individuals to take risks with ideas is what will solve these issues."
Similar to how raising the speed limit will make motorists drive slower and more carefully? |
zaruyache
10.10.19 | "Incetivizing companies"
the only way to incentivize companies to make real meaningful progress is to put a boot to their necks. Otherwise they will do what they are meant to do in a capitalist nation; cut corners however they can to maximize profits. That is not good for the rest of us, even if the product is something we want. |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | Maybe Trump hasn't started any wars because "a top general (maybe the top of them all!) said, 'Sir, I'm sorry Sir, but we don't have ammunition'". |
Gyromania
10.10.19 | Climate change... People understand so little about this. You'd think the human race is going extinct in the next century but in fact data shows it's nowhere near that severe right now. |
Deathconscious
10.10.19 | i said "worst case scenario". we have about 10 years to avoid hitting the 1.5C change. at that point there will be catastrophic and likely irreversible damage. it all depends on how long humanity wants to keep down this road. |
Pon
10.10.19 | What data would that be Gyro? |
Gyromania
10.10.19 | I'll find and send it to you later Jacq |
CygnusX1
10.10.19 | fuck the environment, that shits lame |
Egarran
10.10.19 | @StrizzMatik lol tell me about how Trump represents a majority of Americans.
Because he embodies all my stereotypes (a fat and vain ignorant), and I like the idea that he's somehow the current distillation of America - unlike any democratic candidate, of course. Their idea seems to be that Americans can work together to improve society for people who need it.
Yeah, it's like they don't know USA. It's almost traitorous. |
JWT155
10.10.19 | Funny you mention speed limits, because in many states, including PA, they've drastically rolled back and increased speed limits on state highways because the lower speed limits actually made the roads less safe.
Good intentions = good policy. |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | Except that increasing speed limits doesn't make the roads more safe.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-would-the-road-be-safer-if-we-could-drive-faster/ |
JoeTex
10.10.19 | donnie said f the kurds since they didn't help us during wwII |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | Must've been a pretty good phone call with Erdogan for Trump to just dump the Kurds like that. What're the odds on Erdogan having offered Trump dirt on Joe Biden? |
danielito19
10.10.19 | Gyro is deathly terrified (completely rational of course) of trans people so I’m DEFINITELY going to trust his opinion on climate change |
ShadowRemains
10.10.19 | i see gyro has shitty political opinions to go along with his shitty music ones |
Relinquished
10.10.19 | "You'd think the human race is going extinct in the next century but in fact data shows it's nowhere near that severe right now."
"What data would that be"
"I'll find and send it to you later"
"later"
classic
|
butt.
10.10.19 | another LOL @ people who think a president's personality/behavior/antics don't matter as long as he has "good" policies. When you're the leader of the free world and therefore potentially of the most influential people in the world, being a piece of shit encourages and enables so many other people to be pieces of shit. As we've seen. |
unclereich
10.10.19 | yea all 12 of those troops were really helping the Kurds |
Egarran
10.10.19 | Turkish troops hit 127 targets since yesterday, one of them a prison with Isis dudes. |
butt.
10.10.19 | yeah turkey began attacks literally two days after we pulled out and people are already dead. it's not a fuckin joke. |
unclereich
10.10.19 | protect the pipelines at any cost! |
unclereich
10.10.19 | there are more Kurdish tribes than stars in the sky |
Egarran
10.10.19 | Also thousands of new fugitives. |
unclereich
10.10.19 | make Kurdistan a reality again |
Itwasthatwas
10.10.19 | Like clockwork, people pretend to care about the fate of the Kurds when its convenient for them. |
Relinquished
10.10.19 | just like in 1942 |
JWT155
10.10.19 | Truth. Both sides just jump on issues when it's convenient for their side, with zero spine or principal. |
Egarran
10.10.19 | Most people cared about the fate of the Kurds when they were USA's allies against Isis.
I guess you had to be there. |
CaliggyJack
10.10.19 | Nobody should call for military intervention unless they themselves are willing to pick up a fucking gun and fight. |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | Or they shouldn't intentionally act to ensure an armed conflict (at best) or a genocide (at worst) breaks out. |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | People itt seem awfully comfortable with the fact that the potatus is taking orders from Russia, Saudi Arabia, and now Turkey. |
RolyPoly
10.10.19 | Oh so you're just a hateful moron |
Gyromania
10.10.19 | I think I might be one of the few who cares |
ian b
10.10.19 | fuck voting for anyone they're all lizard people anyways, amirite guys 😎 |
ian b
10.10.19 | also, side note, being trans isn't a mental disorder unless you're Trisha Paytas lmao |
SitarHero
10.10.19 | "I think I might be one of the few who cares"
So you spend a lot of time working with people with disorders? |
RolyPoly
10.10.19 | I would say someone who has a melt down over "sjw's" / getting banned then proceeds to spam the website might have a few screws loose but what do I know |
ian b
10.10.19 | rolypoly spittin the truth out here |
Meridiu5
10.10.19 | also, side note, being trans isn't a mental disorder unless you're Trisha Paytas lmao
have you seen them tho |
ian b
10.10.19 | while there may be a lot of trans people with mental disorders, you guys have to realize there are a lot of trans people that are just as (if not more) normal than some of you are |
CaliggyJack
10.10.19 | "Or they shouldn't intentionally act to ensure an armed conflict (at best) or a genocide (at worst) breaks out."
That doesn't mean our own soldiers need to fight and die there for shit that doesn't benefit them. |
Itwasthatwas
10.10.19 | Eg, give me a fucking break. The US and Britain before them have screwed over the Kurds countless times, along with every other group in the region. Kurds one day, Yazidis the next, Shia one day, Sunni the next, stop pretending you care about our homelands for anything other than selfish reasons. Sure, the Kurds are US allies against insurgents while the US funnels weapons to the insurgents via Saudi and Turkey. I also remember the media crying about Al Nusra and Jaysh al Islam getting blown the fuck out too and pretending they were just our freedom loving allies, but I guess you had to be there. |
Gyromania
10.10.19 | "So you spend a lot of time working with people with disorders?"
Yep. 10 years total of volunteer work with BANA and The Aids Committee and Mental Health Association. I have great empathy, believe it or not. |
GhostB1rd
10.10.19 | Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years.
Capitalism is an unsustainable system built on a fragile ecosystem of internal contradictions rendering economic crashes necessary every right to twelve years. |
GhostB1rd
10.10.19 | danielito is stoopid |
ian b
10.10.19 | imagine living under a communist regime lol |
GhostB1rd
10.10.19 | danielito tweeting from his dial up connection through aol |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.10.19 | i dont really have a horse in this race and im not sure what he did now but just popping in to agree that danielito is stupid |
GhostB1rd
10.10.19 | He's gonna be so mad in 30 minutes when he reads that response. |
ian b
10.10.19 | danielto has Vacation 5'd so whatever it is i'm contractually obligated to be on his side |
ian b
10.10.19 | nah but seriously i can't find what he said can someone let me know bc i don't wanna be misinformed |
Gyromania
10.11.19 | Yeah daniel's a twat agreed. |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | He prefers Danielito, actually. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | u just cant fix sum ppl |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | He doesn't want to be saved. |
ian b
10.11.19 | okay i found what he said, like wow imagine being opinionated on sputnikmusic dot com, i would Never 😪 |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | being opinionated is fine except for when it isn't fine in which case kys |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | dookie has some of the most pasta worthy comments in here too but that's to be expected from the former JesusHitler |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | honestly im grateful for every sputnik political take
everyone on here is such an expert, it's breathtaking really. |
TheSpaceMan
10.11.19 | lmao |
TheSpaceMan
10.11.19 | you guys definitely listen to pod casts |
Relinquished
10.11.19 | a big gg to oltna who knew this would be the usual outcome to such a thread |
Ryus
10.11.19 | oltna did it for the list views |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | Edit nvm |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | @ghost did you see my Danny Brown soundoff? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | the sheer volume of bumps on ian b's reaction soundoff to ghostb1rds is a devastating KO |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Not really you can't be ko'd or even jabbed by a teenager it's against the code of ethics. |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | @dookie - Yeah but I'm in my 20s so neither of you are right. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | dude just take the L like a man, it happens to the best of us one time anthony fantano made me his bitch trust me i kno |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | Theres a loophole, when you act like a teenager you can be KO'd by one. |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | How can he take it like a man when hes not a man yet though? |
TheSpaceMan
10.11.19 | I was visiting an old family friend, who has a 13 year old son. Caught him filling weed oil into a juul pod and I was like "what the fuck are you doing" and he dead ass responded "get with the times grandpa"
I'm 25 |
TheSpaceMan
10.11.19 | I got annihilated |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | That's where you tell him to go do his homework and wait for puberty to hit. |
TheSpaceMan
10.11.19 | I couldn't think straight it all happened so fast |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | Spaceman I respect you for conceding to that ANNIHILATION |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Don't give an inch to teens. Just don't. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | Y u so scurred ghost |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | You gotta hold the line. |
Deez
10.11.19 | Id have raped that little shit on the spot |
unclereich
10.11.19 | gryo its ok to be red pilled join us buddy |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Gyro is a Canuck so that's not possible. |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | sounds like ghost had a run-in with a scary teenager and got clowned on. |
unclereich
10.11.19 | Im retarded |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | what would you rather be, autistic or retarded? i think id rather be retarded, they seem like happier people. |
unclereich
10.11.19 | Autism is a form of retardation no? |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | I like how he acts like it's a hypothetical for him. |
unclereich
10.11.19 | Adolf is a liberal cuck but hes hung like an elephant and has great taste in metal so he’s fine by me |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | lol m/
"Adolf is a liberal cuck"
in all of the funny ways ive seen people having to use my name, this is probably the best. |
unclereich
10.11.19 | dude we rip’d our og usernames at the same time |
ValenDreth
10.11.19 | Eight more years. |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | yeah, i miss it sometimes but im generally glad i changed it. |
unclereich
10.11.19 | Smae i love my nephew |
StrizzMatik
10.11.19 | Just chiming back in to let you know Trump's still President and you're still a fucktard with a child's grasp of economics and politics Death :^* botb and kompy too. But keep making angry soy noises and unhinged TDS, really brings the funnays |
CaliggyJack
10.11.19 | Sometimes I like to cover myself in butter and pretend I'm a potato |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | lol, thats going on my pasta list too, thanks strizz. |
sixdegrees
10.11.19 | donald drumpf.....resign sir |
unclereich
10.11.19 | That great vid of ozzys daughter talking about immigrants cleaning toilets; the stuff of legends |
Kompys2000
10.11.19 | I don't agree with the message of 'Birth of a Nation' but the cinematography is good so I give it 10/10 stars |
Egarran
10.11.19 | Trump stops support for kurds and start a regional disaster with lots of death and fugitives and general destabilization that undermined the effort so far and will last for decades according to many republicans.
Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third-ranking Republican in the House: "Turkish troops preparing to invade Syria from the north, Russian-backed forces from the south, ISIS fighters attacking Raqqa. Impossible to understand why @realDonaldTrump is leaving America's allies to be slaughtered and enabling the return of ISIS."
Trump supporters: "LOL u care about them now sure."
And then actually joke about this. It's a desperate and ugly reaction.
Good luck, guys! History will vindicate you any day now. |
SitarHero
10.11.19 | Even Fox News polls are showing that more than half of America wants Trump impeached. Damn. |
butt.
10.11.19 | yeah that's insane |
danielito19
10.11.19 | Zero respect for strizz after this list lol |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
JoeTex
10.11.19 | donnie loses tax documents appeal.. bigly |
SitarHero
10.11.19 | Whenever I see a guy going to such great lengths to hide his financial dealings I think to myself, "That guy sure must be innocent. Maybe the most innocent of all time. That's what people are telling me. He's the most innocent person in the history of the United States of America." |
butt.
10.11.19 | yeah these lists do serve a nice purpose in letting me know who here is actually a terrible person |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | I'll give Trump supporters one thing, they make serious leaps and bounds to defend him. But I think most of them know deep down they only do so to be contrarian due to how embarrassing the political left can be sometimes. It's the same thing in the UK. Some diabetic brexiteer was told on live tv that a no deal would mean his access to insulin would be seriously limited or non-existent, but he didn't care, he wanted to leave because "that's what we voted for". Whilst america looks fucking stupid, the UK looks fucking arrogant and straight up retarded.
Long live the EU |
Devastator
10.11.19 | How long until Trump just straight up shits his pants one day and his aids and supporters scramble to say that he didn't? |
Eakflanderyof
10.11.19 | Dook poop butts |
731
10.11.19 | reminder that strizzmatik is a sandy hook truther |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
731
10.11.19 | not bad but you could have distilled that down to "i'm a reactionary retard" |
butt.
10.11.19 | @whalebone totally agree. we're fucked. the only way you can get attention anymore is by being extreme and proposing radical ideas. normal, sensible people don't make headlines. |
Itwasthatwas
10.11.19 | Eg now appealing to the infinite wisdom and morality of the Republicans when it comes to Middle East policy. Both parties and all major media outlets are complicit in the death and displacement of millions, and you want to tell me you suddenly draw the line on this one issue? You mentioned the Kurds being allies against ISIS, do you think it was sound foreign policy from the last administration that put us in that situation? Which candidate do you support that has a platform that doesn’t result in raping our countries forever? Quite frankly if you can’t get impeached for the Iraq war or the Syrian crisis then I don’t what you can get impeached for |
butt.
10.11.19 | it's hard to impeach someone after Congress voted to approve that very thing. That's like mom and dad tell you that you can grab a cookie from the jar, then when they do they slap you in the face and put you up for adoption |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Itwasthatwas
10.11.19 | How about for lying to Congress about the evidence of WMDs? Though I’m sure they all knew. I’m going to cut out of this part of the discussion because it hits too close to home for me. Not worth getting worked up about on here |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
CaliggyJack
10.11.19 | Any Democratic candidate who didn't go to that stupid embarrassment of a town hall automatically gains my whole support. What a giant shitstain of political pandering and self-flagellation. |
Egarran
10.11.19 | >Quite frankly if you can’t get impeached for the Iraq war or the Syrian crisis then I don’t what you can get impeached for
Agreed. Your argument seems to be that since it's always been more or less fucked we can't suddenly expect better.
Btw did Trump destroy the Caliphate? |
CaliggyJack
10.11.19 | "Quite frankly if you can’t get impeached for the Iraq war or the Syrian crisis then I don’t what you can get impeached for"
Fucking an intern apparently. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
JoeTex
10.11.19 | donnie sending more troops to saudi |
Ryus
10.11.19 | But keep making angry soy noises and unhinged TDS, really brings the funnays |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | "reminder that strizzmatik is a sandy hook truther"
lmao are you for real? that explains a lot. |
osmark86
10.11.19 | Unmatched wisdom |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | i prefer almond milk. i make angry almond noises. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | honestly people like whalebone are part of the problem. On one hand you have fascists inflaming racism and xenophobia while turning our borders into concentration-style processing camps. On the other you have some people who are rude on twitter and who said a crazy thing at an otherwise pretty lucid town hall. If your response to that is "You know guys, I'd love to stop the fascists, but the black trans girl interrupting a town hall just disqualifies that whole project for me" then you need to get your head out of your ass. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Relinquished
10.11.19 | if they didn't, they wouldn't be normal |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Implying that being black, trans, or homosexual makes you abnormal. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Oh god, give me a fucking break. You are basically emblematic of the fragile white dude who sees the rise of other demographics as somehow oppressive of the privelege he's always enjoyed.
I'll say it again: if you think the excesses of the left are somehow equivalent to the fascism of the right, you have your head buried so far up your ass you could give yourself an appendectomy with your teeth. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Trump's election was built around the identity of this meatpacker and played to the exact xenophobic fears you're parroting, but sure, it's the left who's obsessed with identity politics.
Migrant issues aside, you picked homosexuals and transsexuals as your examples of just how crazy the left has gotten. People whose political goal is LITERALLY to be treated the same as everyone else. That's not some rAdIcAl LeFtIsT craziness, that's just being sane human beings to each other. If that's what's keeping you from voting Democrat, then absolutely fuck you, you sad excuse for a human being. |
butt.
10.11.19 | "if you think the excesses of the left are somehow equivalent to the fascism of the right, you have your head buried so far up your ass you could give yourself an appendectomy with your teeth."
I do agree with this sentiment as well |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | So you're saying that LGBTQ issues are designed to obscure economic injustice? Yeah, okay buddy.
I hear the frogs are pretty gay this time of year. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | So fucking what? It was a goddamn LGBTQ town hall. Why the fuck would they talk about wages in that context? And does the fact that "only" 5% of the population gets unfairly treated by the remainder make it insignificant? How big a proportion of the population does it need to be before it's important enough to be worth your consideration? |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Apparently not, since that's up for debate in the SCOTUS as we speak. Answer the goddamn question, you absolute buffoon. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | if LGBTQ equality turns you away from left wing policies, then fuck you. That's my whole point. If caring about people who are different from you is so repugnant to you that you're willing to switch parties or sit out the election, you are a piece of unempathetic trash. |
Egarran
10.11.19 | Get him NITF.
I've put money on a new US civil war happening in the next 4 years. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | lol damn, notintheface is so riled up. |
Kompys2000
10.11.19 | Dude the entire basis of leftist philosophy is worker's rights the fuck do you mean it "isn't a left or right issue"
By "the left" you clearly mean "virtue-signalling establishment democrats" and I actually agree with you there. It's pretty frustrating seeing centrist neolibs co-opt civil rights struggles for brownie points while constantly skirting around actual systemic change that would help those groups |
Egarran
10.11.19 | They're in too deep now. Only death or glory remains! |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | You didn't answer the fucking question.
How many people would need to be/feel marginalized before it's important enough to make the cut for you? 5% is too low. so 10%? 25%? Would it hurt your feelings if Alex Jones were treated the same way as the average black trans person? Or would they also have to pay Alex Jones minimum wage for that to upset you? |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
butt.
10.11.19 | here's my hotel key, I want you to go to my room and fuck my wife |
butt.
10.11.19 | wrong thread |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Man, I literally read that in Ben Shapiro's voice. |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | Such passion, you go notintheface |
Egarran
10.11.19 | Also wrong thread but I just heard this.
"A Turkish prisoner goes to the library and asks for a book.
-Sorry, we dont have that, but we have the author." |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Something worth pointing out: nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is platforming exclusively on social issues. Or even on social issues at the expense of domestic, environmental, or economic issues. What you're saying, oh great and academic and intellectual whaleboner, is that for them to have an opinion/spend any time talking about social issues is pandering when REALLY they should be talking about the things that YOU, 100% a rich white boy, care most about. YOU would never ask a candidate about your identity politics because in your mind, that's the "default" position around which every other political conversation should be organized. Your tiny, indoctrinated mind can't fathom what it must be like to be a member of a group that doesn't enjoy your political and economic privelege, so to you those concerns are tertiary to the REAL ones.
Having an opinion about issues of marginalized identity groups isn't pandering, and it's not virtue signalling, at least not in most prominent cases. It's being inclusive, empathetic, and open. If only people like whaleboner knew what that was like. |
CygnusX1
10.11.19 | "normal people don't have representation"
You poor thing, it must be so hard in this current political climate for you. I truly wish you the best in these difficult times for normal people |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Fucking lol. |
neekafat
10.11.19 | wtf is going on |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | It's legal to fire lgbt peeps in 30 states for being who they are because muh religious freedom/ corporations "rights". Trans people are often discriminated when looking for housing and rejected/disowned by family which leads to 1 in 5 trans people experiencing homeless. This can lead them to sex work which put them at bigger risks to experience violence and police targeting them. Trans people in alot of states have a hard time updating all their legal documents which can also lead to mistreatment from police etc etc.
And are they not also workers? Lol grow a brain, dumbass brosocialists go back to 1910 when women were excluded from the movement |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Centrist enlightenment. Welcome. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
butt.
10.11.19 | neeka I think you've found yourself in the wrong part of town, partner |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | You could have saved yourself a lot of writing by just saying "problems I don't interact with on a daily basis don't exist and shouldn't be discussed." |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | When did I say labor issues shouldn't be discussed, you absolute ignoramus? |
whalebone
10.11.19 | Your entire thread has been castigating me for saying that the elevation of social issues necessarily detracts from the time offered toward important economic issues in the context of an election season with a limited time span. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | No. I'm castigating you for saying that the thing keeping you from opposing Trump, (you know, that fascist who hates immigrants and brown people, and also women, and also this country's institutions) is the Democratic party's support of LGBTQ issues. It makes you "recoil in horror" at the "future" imagined by this left where transsexuals are allowed to have town halls where politicians treat them like their voice is important. Don't weasel out of that vomitous shit you spewed earlier. Nobody is saying that social issues should subsume economic ones. Exactly nobody. Pretending like that's the Democratic party's M.O. is a sad fucking excuse for your transphobia and privileged solipsism. If you cared about the people you claim to help half as much as you just virtue signalled, you'd elect a random member of the Queer Eye cast as President. The fact that people are talking about a demographic you apparently don't understand upsets you SO MUCH that it overtakes any disgust you might feel for Trump. My thesis is simply this: absolutely fuck you for that. You cunt. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | If it weren't the Democratic Party's MO, they wouldn't have wasted the time on it. |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | The new democratic party is fighting for everyone in this country including the most marginalized, if you want to vote against your interests because you want to see the marginalized excluded because they're not "normal" that's on you |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | How to identify a homophobe: "Having an LGBTQ town hall is a massive waste of time". |
whalebone
10.11.19 | How many swing votes do you believe were won last evening? |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | I have no fucking idea my man. Talking to marginalized people is worth doing, even if it doesn't win you any swing votes. It's called *checks notes* caring about people. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | Oh see I thought the point of elections was to win, my mistake. |
CygnusX1
10.11.19 | "I'm being attacked and castigated for my very identity! This is quite appalling and disgusting, that's why I don't like libruls"
"Shouldn't waste time on lgbt town hall lol"
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Zorg
10.11.19 | Oh, look, another bluepilled pozzed cuck. Nobody cares about trans people being trans, but the new expectation to view trans women the same as biological women is absurd and the current state of the Democratic party (along with open borders and complete infringement of the second amendment). Women don't have dicks. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | The point of elections is to give the electorate a voice. They're not for politicians. They're for people. Including gay ones. It's so hilarious how you keep proving my point that you are incapable of thinking outside of your immediate social sphere. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Hi incel. |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | The irony in using the term bluepill from the movie the matrix which was directed by transwomen
Fkin idiot |
whalebone
10.11.19 | That's so crazy because I've been voting for politicians my entire life and at the end of election day the electoral college usually announces a winner. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | That's.... lol. This guy is incapable of following a coherent thread. |
Sinternet
10.11.19 | nuke this thread sowing for the love of god, you nuke every sach thread why not this |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | people like notintheface are the reason people think we're overly emotional, easily triggered snowflakes. it doesnt make you look passionate, it makes you look out of control of your own emotions and pretty childish, tbh. thanks for that. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | Yw *blows kiss*
In all seriousness what is the appropriate emotional response to homo/transphobia? i've learned from you that angry=bad. What's the better way to do it next time? |
Ryus
10.11.19 | truly epic thread |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | Notintheface is actually saying the truth
Dont be dumb |
Zorg
10.11.19 | Deathconscious, don't you have daddy issues and that's why you can't stop mentioning Fox News like it's a clever pejorative?
NOTINTHEFACE, oh look, you called me an incel, hilarious. You're the type of idiot who'd claim to want to be kind to everyone then pathologize whiteness and masculinity in the next sentence.
Politics is about power and right now it's being wrestled for. As long as I get to have my AR-15 when shit hits the fan. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | I've got to go on a bike ride in near freezing temps to wash all this childish anger out of my system. Don't delete the thread until I can take screencaps to show off to all my childish, angry, out of control antifa bros! |
whalebone
10.11.19 | I think Notintheface is very genuine about her beliefs and that's always a good thing. Sincerity is in short measure these days. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.11.19 | As a white, middle class, binary, cisgendered dude I'm offended. |
JoeTex
10.11.19 | "people like notintheface are the reason people think we're overly emotional, easily triggered snowflakes. "
nah, NITF was passionate about their beliefs. good stuff imo |
whalebone
10.11.19 | I agree. I'd rather get into it with someone who really cares rather than someone who phones it in or snarks their way through a conversation. |
JoeTex
10.11.19 | beto coming to get those guns, caress them while u still can. |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | The left doesn't hate men and whiteness
They want those in higher social positions to stand with those in lower positions just like notintheface did |
butt.
10.11.19 | peach imtrumpment |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | lmao zorg comes back in still salty about the fox news thing, sounds like i hit some truth there. |
Zorg
10.11.19 | The truth was you exposed that your conservative hate is really about your dad. I see through the text. |
SitarHero
10.11.19 | "The irony in using the term bluepill from the movie the matrix which was directed by transwomen"
And is an allegory for the trans experience |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | "In all seriousness what is the appropriate emotional response to homo/transphobia?"
yeah, thats the other problem. making the jump from "its for the greater good to focus on this issue instead of this other issue" to "he must hate trans/gay people" makes you look ridiculous as well. not in agreement with whalebone for the record, i feel like i have to point that out lest you make dumb assumptions again. |
Zorg
10.11.19 | That's BS. You're saying Neo waking up from the Matrix is an allegory for him realizing his real gender? That's too simplistic. They wouldn't have the cast read Simulacra and Simulation if it was just about realizing ones trans identity. |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | @zorg so you do get all your ideas from fox. |
Zorg
10.11.19 | Dude, this isn't the 2000s. Tucker is ok when he goes nazbol, but I don't get my news from the Zionist MSM. |
Sinternet
10.11.19 | only in america do you retards care this much about being able to shoot each other, legitimately degenerate country |
Zorg
10.11.19 | hurr hurr the ability to defend yourself, your family and your property is degenerate, hurrr durr galaxy brain.
What pozzed country are you from? |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | #movingtoeurope |
whalebone
10.11.19 | @Deathconscious It was my fault for not articulating my position clearly on the LGBT issue in the beginning, and in hindsight I feel the onus of responsibility was on me to clarify that I don't find LGBT objectionable, but that it's a largely bourgeois issue and that the slice of the electorate in play this cycle has bigger fish to fry and that their concerns are sorely underrepresented. |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | @whale maybe, but i still found it to be a pretty big jump. i think its better to give people the benefit of the doubt. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | He employed an argumentative strategy to put the other person (me) on the defensive. It's totally fine and I think he solidly understands that our modern culture rewards outrage so he took the torch and ran with it. It's on the audience (you) to see through it and in this case you did, so bravo. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | i value principled arguments over doing whatever it takes to "win", but i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Itwasthatwas
10.11.19 | The matrix is definitely about the trans experience, but it’s not only about the trans experience. If that was their intention, then they accidentally made a movie with a much more universal message. But I think it was intentional and that their ambitions were much greater |
zakalwe
10.11.19 | Absolute bollocks |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | Zorg and Whalebone confirmed incels |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | "clarify that I don't find LGBT objectionable, but that it's a largely bourgeois issue"
Homo/transphobia isnt just hatred for the LGBT community, it can be discriminatory ideas or manifest as subconscious biases. When you say things like this or that black trans people are "not normal" I dont think it is at all a stretch to call you a trans/homophobe. As I said earlier this discriminatory system of america puts the lgbt community at higher risks of being lower class or homeless so framing LGBT issues are bourgeois makes little to no sense. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | If our social idea of a normal lifestyle doesn't include reproduction I'd say that we are already doomed as a civilization. |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | ahh yes, zak's here. tell us what you think about all this. |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | People think that if they dont want them all dead that means they can dodge the homophobic label, it doesn't work like that. |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | and that means trans people should go fuck themselves right? |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | "If our social idea of a normal lifestyle doesn't include reproduction I'd say that we are already doomed as a civilization."
Oh, a fascist in disguise of leftist labour politics, makes sense you vote for trump lol hes right up your alley
Other countries have better LGBT protections than america, does not look like their civilization is collapsing |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | yeh I'm not sure why whale is trying to appear on the left when they're spouting heavily right wing politics.
but one thing is for sure, they definitely watched Joker and thought "wow he's just like me" |
whalebone
10.11.19 | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
Deathconscious
10.11.19 | "If our social idea of a normal lifestyle doesn't include reproduction I'd say that we are already doomed as a civilization."
thats never going to be the case. we could use a huge increase in gay people actually, a reduction in population would be great.
btw, even if everyone on the planet is gay, theres still insemination. |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | calling people in the LGBT "abnormal" community is bigoted as fuck. and how aren't they normal? |
whalebone
10.11.19 | I would agree with you if China didn't have 1.4 billion people, because the future does indeed belong to those who show up. |
RolyPoly
10.11.19 | That having protections for LGBT people suddenly makes them "normal"
4) That a concept of normality is incompatible with implementing policies that benefit the abnormal
5) That wishing to see your genes and the values of your civilization advance to the next generation is equivalent to supporting an early 20th century Italian political doctrine.
Whoa calm down Hitler, are you into eugenics too? |
whalebone
10.11.19 | Invoking Godwin's Law is also not a substitute for refuting the central point. |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | whalebone you seem like a complete cunt |
whalebone
10.11.19 | I think I just disagree with you on some values-based questions that are very near and dear to your heart. |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | put it like that if it makes you feel better, but you are a cunt, you cunt. |
whalebone
10.11.19 | Refer to point 2) above. |
hobblepot
10.11.19 | how about you refer to my calling you a cunt? |
whalebone
10.11.19 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg |
Itwasthatwas
10.11.19 | Normality is a matter of definitions. People get upset about normal/abnormal categorization because they translate into acceptable/unacceptable or some other value-judgment-containing statement. One possible definition is within 2 standard deviations, which is often used in laboratory medicine for examples. Depending on how big the group of people you’re talking about is, they may or may not fall within that range and may be normal or abnormal. But it doesn’t have to imply a value judgment. For instance obesity is common, and therefore under a volume based definition is normal, but isn’t positive |
whalebone
10.11.19 | You are exactly right Itwasthatwas. |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Wtaf are y'all gonna do when the Supreme Court is 6-3 or 7-2 for the next couple decades and Trump wins his second term? |
DamnVanne
10.11.19 | Prolly move to Alberta |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Get summa dat oil money. |
ConcubinaryCode
10.11.19 | Heh, you cucks still talking about? We truly live in a society 😏 |
hal1ax
10.11.19 | Invoking Godwin's Law is also not a substitute for refuting the central point.Invoking Godwin's Law is also not a substitute for refuting the central point.Invoking Godwin's Law is also not a substitute for refuting the central point.Invoking Godwin's Law is also not a substitute for refuting the central point. |
Meridiu5
10.11.19 | Orange man BAD!! 😡 😡 🍊 |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | LMAO you guys think alberta still oil money boy are you in for a shock |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | I mean, I'm not saying you're getting it, but there's still a megafuckton of oil there. |
hal1ax
10.11.19 | i haven't seen a logician this adept since david rubin
|
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Scratch that, two megafucktons. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | i wonder if rubin is still tryna get invited to shapiro's hypothetical wedding |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | I heard a rumor that Rubin is gay. |
Calc
10.11.19 | somebody please take a pillow and smother this thread. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | i heard a FACT that he is a FACIST. GAY. NAZI.
from some train hopping crust-punk who ran away from dads mansion |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | calc take a pillow and smother yourself, it will have the same effect for you |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.11.19 | show some initiative pussy |
hal1ax
10.11.19 | haha |
ShadowRemains
10.11.19 | i think whalebone has a whale's boner stuck up his ass
"reminder that strizzmatik is a sandy hook truther"
also jesus christ, no one who believes in that absolute filth can be a good person |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | Damn inject that metalhead homophobia straight into my veins. |
ShadowRemains
10.11.19 | or it just is a play on his username and means he has a giant stick up his ass if you aren't a dipshit |
GhostB1rd
10.11.19 | I too like to make disparaging comments about anal sex because I'm woke. |
ShadowRemains
10.12.19 | nah you just seem like a moron taking it that way |
GhostB1rd
10.12.19 | Don't you have some gays to bash or something? |
ShadowRemains
10.12.19 | nah but i'm pretty sure ur smoking crack so u might want to get that checked out |
GhostB1rd
10.12.19 | Dude you better watch out, using "ur" is one of the signs of being gay you might catch the gay if you're not more careful. |
ShadowRemains
10.12.19 | this is some impressively bad trolling |
ConcubinaryCode
10.12.19 | I'm just miffed we didn't get a badass wall. |
SitarHero
10.12.19 | "If our social idea of a normal lifestyle doesn't include reproduction I'd say that we are already doomed as a civilization."
Wait, are we still afraid that normalising queerness will turn all the straights queer AND simultaneously assuming that queer people are anti-reproduction? LOL! |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.12.19 | Eat more babies guys |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.12.19 | My mouth was closed when I typed it |
Egarran
10.12.19 | Now we just need to get you guys armed and placed in the same room. |
SitarHero
10.12.19 | Look who's sending troops to Saudi Arabia. I guess we're just gonna forget about not getting involved in someone else's conflict.
I can't wait to hear some defenses of this though. |
Egarran
10.12.19 | We knew from the moment those words left his mouth that he was just demagoging the USA First crowd.
US Army not getting involved LOL sure. |
Egarran
10.12.19 | Inb4 'oh now you worry about troop movements, how convenient.' |
SitarHero
10.12.19 | i ThOuGhT yOu WaNtEd TrOoPs To sTaY iN tHe mIdDlE eAsT |
CaliggyJack
10.12.19 | Tulsi2020
~Just Don't~ |
Deathconscious
10.12.19 | Tulsi "I'm A Soldier" Gabbard |
CaliggyJack
10.12.19 | Joe "Is That Your Daughter?" Biden |
Deathconscious
10.12.19 | Elizabeth "Bernie Lite" Warren |
CaliggyJack
10.12.19 | Bernie "Let Me Be Cleah" Sanders |
Egarran
10.12.19 | Who would be the best president if you could choose anyone alive? |
CaliggyJack
10.12.19 | You're ruining the chain you fuck |
SitarHero
10.12.19 | Why don't you go whine about it on Twitter. |
CaliggyJack
10.12.19 | l0l |
GhostB1rd
10.12.19 | Tulsi / Sinema best booty ticket 2020. |
Egarran
10.12.19 | >You're ruining the chain you fuck
No, you ruined it. I just saved your face by changing the subject.
But yes, it's an impossible question. There are no good candidates.
|
NOTINTHEFACE
10.13.19 | What don't you like about Warren, Sanders, or Buttigieg, because from my perspective they are all great choices. |
CaliggyJack
10.13.19 | Two are blatant Socialists so no.
I like Buttgay tho |
DamnVanne
10.13.19 | Classy |
hal1ax
10.13.19 | yes both warren and sanders totally want to seize the means of production !1! |
CaliggyJack
10.13.19 | I said Socialist not Communist. |
zaruyache
10.13.19 | socialism is when the workers seize the means of production, yes |
hal1ax
10.13.19 | lol seizing the means is indicative of both socialism and communism. you are thinking of the abolition of private property |
CaliggyJack
10.13.19 | "lol seizing the means is indicative of both socialism and communism. you are thinking of the abolition of private property"
You are correct my bad. Sometimes I get the two confused. |
SitarHero
10.13.19 | So you're confused about why you don't like Sanders or Warren? |
heck
10.13.19 | pretty typical of your kind to not even know what socialism is |
ShadowRemains
10.13.19 | i swear to christ nobody on the right knows what actual socialism or communism really is |
CaliggyJack
10.13.19 | No I dislike both propositions, I just misplaced which one belonged to which. It's not as if I don't like Sanders or Warren, I just disagree with them and do not want them running the country. Normally I wouldn't touch a Democrat with a 10 ft pole but these are desperate times. |
heck
10.13.19 | Normally I wouldn't touch a Democrat with a 10 ft pole but these are desperate times. |
CaliggyJack
10.13.19 | Ha I just realize what I typed lol |
zaruyache
10.13.19 | well bernie isn't a dem so :))) |
GhostB1rd
10.13.19 | You right, and Trump isn't a Republican. |
Deathconscious
10.13.19 | "What don't you like about Warren, Sanders, or Buttigieg, because from my perspective they are all great choices."
Sanders is the only one who isnt an establishent shill, for one. |
Pon
10.13.19 | Gyro never did give me that data ;_; |
alamo
10.13.19 | yeah all i need is the rhythm me and the rhythm |
Meridiu5
10.13.19 | Id touch Ocasio Cortez with a 10ft pole |
GhostB1rd
10.13.19 | Beanie pledges to put a chicken in every pot, bread in every oven, a solar-roof over every head... |
Deathconscious
10.13.19 | "Gyro never did give me that data ;_;"
Lol |
Egarran
10.13.19 | It's pretty simple: For example, China is a communist country and USA is capitalist country and USA is China's bitch because USA has to protect its markets. |
danielito19
10.13.19 | china is state capitalist. |
Egarran
10.13.19 | So China is not a communist country? |
CaliggyJack
10.13.19 | The United States is not a Capitalist Economy, we're a Mixed Economy. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.13.19 | China was a command economy, is now a mixed economy. |
Egarran
10.13.19 | If the leader is a communist I'm pretty sure that somehow influences politics. |
hal1ax
10.13.19 | yea china is state capitalism. it's like a hybrid paradigm where their mode of production is capitalist but the government basically manages and organizes commercial enterprise. i guess technically both the US and china are 'mixed' but they are not mixed in the same way |
GhostB1rd
10.13.19 | You have to have capitalism as the engine or else you don't move forward. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.13.19 | egarran. do you not understand what "mixed" means? instead of looking foolish use the internet at your fingertips, it will take you approximately 5 seconds to find all the info you need about china's economic system |
Meridiu5
10.13.19 | China's economy is actually a bit freer than ours. Thanks to Democrats, the health insurance is heavily state controlled (and expensive). Its political and social freedoms that the Chinese lack. |
hal1ax
10.14.19 | china is pushing for single-payer by 2020. but yes as of now, poor chinese people have the freedom to die from curable diseases |
SitarHero
10.14.19 | "China's economy is actually a bit freer than ours. Thanks to Democrats, the health insurance is heavily state controlled (and expensive)."
Lolwut? There are Democrats in China? |
hal1ax
10.14.19 | lol i interpreted that latter sentence as him talking about american healthcare, and by heavily state controlled i figured he meant medicaid / medicare? idk if i deciphered correctly though. his lofty intellect can sometimes be inscrutable ;) |
Meridiu5
10.14.19 | Lolwut? There are Democrats in China?
I wasn't clear. Democrats in the US made healthcare in the US state controlled. China's economy overall on the other hand is much freer. |
GhostB1rd
10.14.19 | "China's economy overall on the other hand is much freer."
Somebody copypasta this shit rn. RN. |
hal1ax
10.14.19 | haha |
GhostB1rd
10.14.19 | Meridiu you are the dumbest motherfucker I've come across today. |
Egarran
10.14.19 | However the percentage of China's communism, USA is their bitch. Which was the point.
So you'd think there would be a huge public outcry to stick to American values, but money/fear of poverty trumps that. |
Trifolium
10.14.19 | Your word-choice is impeccable once more Egarran. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | These Democratic Debates have been a disaster. |
Invaderbryan
10.16.19 | I agree. These democrats are dumbasses |
JWT155
10.16.19 | Being the sane option would have guaranteed them the White House.
Instead, they've offered a platform that would make Obama, and any Democratic candidate in 2008 a far right Republican.
Medicare for All? Banning "Assault Weapons"? Guaranteed jobs? Paying off 95% of Student Loans?
Oh to be naive and think that if only the Government had it's hands on everything then this country would be perfect. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | Beanie will not stand for 95%. 105% or bust. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | Student loans suck, I'm paying mine off still, but that's a financial decision every single person makes, and if you make a poor financial investment it't not the Government's job to bail you out.
So what, taxpayers who may not have gone to University now have to pay for the education of others? What about veterans who put their bodies on the line for this country? Their years of service for an education is the same as someone who decided to study Russian Poetry at an ivy league school? What about people like myself who spent my entire 20's struggling and finally almost have my debt paid off, do I get a stipend or repayment?
Cost for education needs to change, but we can't simply just pay off student debt. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | It's finally giving those who didn't go to college the chance to pay for those who did you idiot. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | Why? No one was strong armed into going to school. There's cheaper alternatives and community schools. Why should a taxpayer pay for your poor choice to go possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a degree that may be useless?
In what other scenario can you agree to purchase services, given the cost upfront and then retroactively feel entitled for it to be paid for? |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | ya single-payer is so crazy dude there's definitely no other countries that utilize that paradigm successfully |
Valkoor952
10.16.19 | These Democratic debates are so fucking embarassing jesus
Hard to believe someone voted for these clowns to be on the stage |
JWT155
10.16.19 | What's the largest country that's implemented single payer? I could actually be onboard with Medicare for All on a state level possibly, and for it to be opt in and with the financing spelled out to a T and feasible, but Nationalizing such a program for a country of over 300 million people? and to make it scaleable and efficient? Please...
I work in healthcare in Finance. I work with the State and numerous Government entities. God help us if they run everything. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | Hey hal which countries with single payer have a diverse population and 330+ million residents? Asking for a friend. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | Nearly everyone on places like this have zero tangible knowledge on healthcare, the financing of it, etc. And most of the single payer countries are a fraction of the size of many of our state's, don't have the innovation with drugs and procedures we do, many are going bankrupt with their medical programs and almost all have rationing of some sort, whther it's wait lines for procedures, check ups, surgery, etc. God knows the DHS in the UK is a nightmare in numerous ways. Health care in the US has it's issues, specifically on the insurance side and financing, and Government will not make anything more efficient. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | yea so there hasn't been a country as large as ours implement single-payer. so this means it wouldn't work huh? why can't socialization work on a larger scale? it's not like it's full nationalization like the UK with insurer + provider... i've just never heard anyone really break down why this is so pie-in-the-sky with our population volume. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | When have you ever known a bureaucratic program to get more efficient as it grows in size? |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | Both China and India have or are implementing universal healthcare systems. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | I swear to god if you cut U.S. obesity rates to the same as other developed nations that alone would eliminate any supposed deficiencies. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | Dude do you have any idea the size and scope of the American Health Care System?
It's bigger than Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Apple and others combined.
The naievety to think the Government could helm such an enterprise immediatelly and make it succeed is asinine. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | haha. look i just want everyone to have decent healthcare. i can't just accept status quo because government has fucked up in the past. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | Sitar you are literally too dumb to even talk to if you think those have any semblance of quality relation to the U.S. or other developed nations please go fuck yourself kthanxbye. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | China, a country that enslaves millions and is implementing a system to benefit the elite and India, a country where the vast majority are still in poverty. I'll wait for when either of those countries are a leader in anything Medical. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | so i ask you to break it down and you just throw out naive and asinine lol. got it. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | Sitar were you always a dumbfuck or did you become that way over time? |
JWT155
10.16.19 | No one wants people to be in a terrible situation with their health care. This blind idea that the government is the answer is absurd. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | lol I legit broke it down for you. You're asking the government to take control of an entity that's larger than the top 20 companies in the US combined, a system that has hundreds upon hundreds of Hospitals and providers that actually have to be held accountable for results. |
Deathconscious
10.16.19 | "we can't simply just pay off student debt"
yeah, impossible. but what we CAN do is increase the military budget. now thats when we have a can-do attitude. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | If Medicare for All is such a great idea than why has it failed in a few states already? Why can't a state try and succeed first? Any rational person would agree that for something of this scale it needs to at least start on a smaller scale and then be expanded. If a state wants Medicare for All and wants to show how it's efficient go for it, I think it's a terrible idea to take over any business on such a massive scale without any experience or accountability. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | I agree, military cuts should be on the table. It's a perfect example of wasted spending, bloated spending and terrible results on investments, and how the Government unchecked is terrible with money. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | i nor anyone else acted like government was an immediate panacea. you keep saying that and all i asked was an analysis as to why that system is so farfetched with our pop volume |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | "ghostb1rd in his 30's and still sounds like a surface-level dumbass lil bitch"
As true in this thread as it is in every other. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | jwt: i see |
Deathconscious
10.16.19 | "The naievety to think the Government could helm such an enterprise immediatelly and make it succeed is asinine."
yes, all these other governments have done it successfully, but we can't. for some reason. the size of the country? idk. but theres just no way. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | Scaleability for one. I work in healthcare for once state. The intricacies in how counties and populations are seperated for just one Region in a state is complicated. To have one Government agency doing that on a National scale by default would be inefficient and incapable of being granular on a local level. By default the Government woiuld be forced to lump large areas and populations together and have more inefficient reporting. I work in healthcare dude, I know how it works, and insanely detailed at a state level. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | Sitar more like Sitard. |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | "China, a country that enslaves millions and is implementing a system to benefit the elite and India, a country where the vast majority are still in poverty. I'll wait for when either of those countries are a leader in anything Medical."
In China's case, bringing up a lack of political freedom is a pretty transparently weak argument against the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is.
And in India's case, the fact that an impoverished country can implement a system that is weak but still succeeding where a country with more resources and higher per capita income is whining about not being able to should be a point of shame. Also, medical tourism to India is expected to be a $10B industry by 2020, so there's that. |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
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the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
the fact that they're providing better healthcare to citizens than the US is
nigga said China hahahahaha |
JWT155
10.16.19 | "yes, all these other governments have done it successfully, but we can't. for some reason. the size of the country? idk. but theres just no way."
lol that's like saying New York taxis have done such a great job in NYC so we should have a National Taxi system that's centralized.
Do you not see how difficult such an undertaking would be? Cities themselves function differently than NYC. They would have to recalibrate to every single metro area. What about suburbs? What about the midwest?
Scaleability is important, and it's a completely fairpoint to point out that comparing the healthcare of European countries the size of our smaller state's, that have homogenousn populations, is drastically different than how large and diverse the US is. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | lol who is going to China for health care? There's world class hospitals in my city that people around the world come to, but China has better health care you say? |
Sinternet
10.16.19 | america still the only first world country retarded enough not to have nationalised healthcare |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | LMAO! Ghostb1rd has gone full Chuck. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | "america still the only first world country retarded enough not to have nationalised healthcare"
Except state's the size of european countries have tried and failed lol
I'll say it again, if state's want to try go for it, thinking this a venture to roll out immediatelly on a national level is a nightmare and a disaster on numerous fronts. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | wouldn't the task of the feds as insurers be decentralized across different states throughout the country? canada does this across the various providences. and yes you keep saying you work in healthcare, got it. i'm literally just asking you questions |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | "There's world class hospitals in my city that people around the world come to"
Heaven forbid you don't have insurance or go to the wrong hospital for your insurance. Sounds like a solid system. |
Sinternet
10.16.19 | wow its almost like you have more bargaining power as an entire nation than a single state
its almost like your retarded price-gouging medical industry and your retarded patent industry conspire against such attempts
its almost like everyone else around the world laughs at the sheer embarrassment of your healthcare system that third-world countries have managed to solve |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | people coming to the US for treatment is only testament to its efficacy for people with money. for poor people our healthcare system is horrible |
JWT155
10.16.19 | If the Fed takes over it would be a Nationalized system, the state's would not be administering the care directly, they would have to cross function with the feds. And sure, they would most likely have to break areas up into Zones, but you currently have hospitals, providers and insurance companies that are invested to the county level, and a Federal system would not be able to be that granular.
@SitarHero - I work for the Medicaid product, Government healthcare, there are plenty of options for low income individuals and people in need.
No, the system is not perfect and it is too costly, no one wants to see people with health problems in a place where they can't receive care, but the Government is notm going to make it more efficient or cheaper, and the minimal ways they would succeed would definitely lead to rationing and limited coverages. |
Sinternet
10.16.19 | 'By default the Government would be forced to lump large areas and populations together and have more inefficient reporting.'
except this doesn't happen in any other first world country with their nationalized healthcare system
sounds to me like youre just developmentally challenged or ignorant |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | Sinternet just wants taxpayer funded prostate exams that he keeps for some bizarre reason requesting at the tender age of 20. |
Sinternet
10.16.19 | ghost you have literally never said anything remotely funny and my sources say you are in your thirties which is just sad tbh |
Deathconscious
10.16.19 | edit: misread |
JWT155
10.16.19 | "wow its almost like you have more bargaining power as an entire nation than a single state"
Except that's not how it works. Different regions and populations have different needs. Smaller areas won't have the bargaining power to get specialized needs if it doesn't serve the overall needs. When you take bargaining to the macro level you compeltely ignore and pushout nuance.
And everyone can poke fun and laugh at the US healthcare system, it is a mess in terms of insurance premiums and costs, but it is world class health care second to not a single country, and people flood here in droves from around the world to see American Doctors and to have procedures here, that's a fact. |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | "there are plenty of options for low income individuals and people in need."
How many of those options don't involve incurring massive amounts of debt? |
JWT155
10.16.19 | "except this doesn't happen in any other first world country with their nationalized healthcare system"
Really? You're telling me places like the UK and the DHS aren't a shit show? Please... |
budgie
10.16.19 | america will always be a shithole |
JWT155
10.16.19 | "How many of those options don't involve incurring massive amounts of debt?"
Uh multiple lol Medicaid is a free program where individuals pay nothing. |
hal1ax
10.16.19 | i work with the homeless and virtually everyone i deal with is either linked to medicaid or medi-medi. the coverage is just super bare. and if you are an addict and are pursuing detox or treatment, good luck. again, i'm not saying there is a simple fix here. it's just sad to see it so fucked |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | "people flood here in droves from around the world to see American Doctors and to have procedures here, that's a fact."
If that's a fact then it's an alternative fact. In 2017, approximately 345,000 people came to the US for medical procedures, compared to approximately 1.4 MILLION who left the US for medical procedures.
https://askepticalhuman.com/politics/2018/10/16/debunking-republican-healthcare-myths-people-come-to-us-for-care |
JWT155
10.16.19 | That's terrible and I'm sorry to hear that. I know with the Medicaid program we administer members have essentially unlimited access to hospitals, ER and outpatient facilities, along with opioid programs and the like. My argument will never be that the health care system in the US is perfect, I think it's also more than rational to be skeptical on allowing the Government to take over an enterprise that would be larger than then top 20 companies in the US combined and that it would succeed or be better than what it is currently in terms of quality of care. |
Sinternet
10.16.19 | 'Really? You're telling me places like the UK and the DHS aren't a shit show? Please...'
no they're not. the nhs is an incredible system and medical debt in the uk is non-existent and prescriptions are extremely cheap.
do you want to know why there's protests all the time around it? because since 2010, when the conservative party regained power, they started habitually defunding it because many of their donors/puppet masters have a vested interest in promoting privatised healthcare. there is easily room in the national budget to replicate pre-2010 election levels of funding yet the tories are running it into the ground in order to sell off it's assets at the lowest price to their friends and outsource its services (which, if you want to talk about inefficiency, has transformed a system with incredible response times into a slog where staff are underpaid, overworked, and quitting by the day) |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | And no one is arguing against the quality of healthcare in the US, when you can afford it. The problem is how difficult it is to afford. |
JWT155
10.16.19 | "If that's a fact then it's an alternative fact. In 2017, approximately 345,000 people came to the US for medical procedures, compared to approximately 1.4 MILLION who left the US for medical procedures."
And what type of procedures are we talking about? what is the qaulity of care and procedures elsewhere? Sure thousands may got to Honduras for plastic surgery and cheaper procedures, how many of those procedures are higher risk of infection and death?
Certain procedures and care are much cheaper elsewhere, and that's an issue the US market needs to tackle, but the quality of care is most certainly not better elsewhere. People aren't leaving the country for better care, they're leaving for cheaper care, and that's something the US system needs to address and Medicare for All isn't simply going to solve. |
Typhoon24
10.16.19 | It’s going down |
GhostB1rd
10.16.19 | sinternet is really mad online |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | Are you done with your meltdown, two buck chuck? Or are you gonna have another? |
Egarran
10.16.19 | Sinternet was completely right, so he must receive some low effort trolling. As is tradition. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.16.19 | I love how all these guys screaming about a nationalized healthcare service would be economically disastrous have to do several things:
1. Pretend like other countries haven't figured it out to a workable degree (clearly they have. No system is perfect, but when you way the costs with the benefits, living in a system like Canada's is better for 90%+ of the people in it.)
2. Pretend like American health care is in some way superior to every other healthcare system (it's not, other than perhaps in oncology. Other countries such as Canada and EU states have a higher concentration of specialists and better funded research and equipment than the bulk of America)
3. Pretend like switching to a nationalized system is an unprecedented and radical idea. (It's not; other countries have figured it out, and the US is capable of mobilizing and reorganizing an entire industry)
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Rowhaus
10.16.19 | C'mon guys, the state already takes a massive chunk of your income, but it's clearly not enough. They need a lot more. |
StarlessCore
10.16.19 | "The NHS is an incredible system" lmao even the people over there are freaking out over how bad it is right now |
butt.
10.16.19 | why don't we all just pray the pain away? who needs liberal HELLthcare |
Deathconscious
10.16.19 | "C'mon guys, the state already takes a massive chunk of your income, but it's clearly not enough. They need a lot more."
its already been said a thousand times, ultimately you save money. next. |
budgie
10.16.19 | librals only want hellthcare b/c god doesn't safeguard their health
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Sinternet
10.16.19 | 'lmao even the people over there are freaking out over how bad it is right now'
did u read past the first line of what i said to where i pointed out why people are 'freaking out' at the moment bud - the protests are "Save the NHS" not "Fuck the NHS" |
butt.
10.16.19 | how can one even convert to a libral if they're not a libra to begin with
epic fail!! |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | "C'mon guys, the state already takes a massive chunk of your income, but it's clearly not enough. They need a lot more."
How much of your income goes into private insurance? |
zakalwe
10.16.19 | If a world leader isn’t bowing down during the course of some ritual to some pagan god in a backwater grotto I’m not interested. |
budgie
10.16.19 | "If a world leader isn’t bowing down during the course of some ritual to some pagan god in a backwater grotto I’m not interested."
finally someone who gets it |
SitarHero
10.16.19 | That explains a lot.
https://truthout.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/GettyImages-686580132-1200x857.jpg |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.16.19 | Yo that guy deadass used Canada as an example of good healthcare and my fucking sides hurt |
Shamus248
10.16.19 | The real case for impeachment is this; before becoming president, Trump said that Saudi Arabia were responsible for 9/11 (which isn't false, 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi), but once he became president, they showered him w/ gifts and paid him $$ to stay at his DC hotel which 1. he never divested from before taking office and 2. THEY NEVER SET FOOT IN...in exchange, he overrode Congress to pass a multi billion dollar weapons deal, and Saudi Arabia is now using the weapons we sold them to slaughter civilians in Yemen and...ready? ARM AL-QAEDA...Trump is arming Al-Qaeda...so he's taking money from a foreign government (Saudi Arabia), which violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution and you can DIRECTLY tie Trump to the genocide in Yemen. THAT is the case for impeachment, but establishment Democrats are too incompetent to make that argument. |
budgie
10.16.19 | yeah but what about her emails? |
Egarran
10.16.19 | Always fun to see Trump and his sons rile up people to demand the arrest of their political opponents. The audiences to those things, holy fuck. |
Shamus248
10.16.19 | Tulsi 2020 |
Rowhaus
10.16.19 | Yeah, the estimated 32 trillion dollar cost will certainly save the American taxpayers a ton of money |
Shamus248
10.16.19 | I know this is almost a week old, but I find it amazing that Whalebone is a lawyer and yet thinks LGBTQ people are abnormal and therefore, do not deserve protections and equal rights |
Shamus248
10.16.19 | Rowhaus, University of Massachusetts Amherst just came out with a study that finds it will save $5 trillion compared to the system already in place
at least 7 million people have lost their health insurance since Trump took office, so i'm pressed to find a viable alternative to Medicare for All |
GhostB1rd
10.17.19 | Hey Shamus my study said that study is fucking horseshit. |
Deathconscious
10.17.19 | go home Amherst, ghost just wrecked you with fax. |
SitarHero
10.17.19 | "the estimated 32 trillion dollar cost"
That's a $1000 per person. Pretty sure you're paying more than $1000 per year right now if your insurance is halfway decent. |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.19 | people dropping studies that try to say 'will save x dollars' or 'will cost y dollars' when we're talking about changing into something new on a massive scale with so many variables and human factors... do you guys honestly think those are even close to accurate? |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.19 | I have a hard time believing that shit, especially when politics are involved... statistics skew easily at the slightest hint of unconscious bias |
Valkoor952
10.17.19 | "Tulsi 2020"
I used to be in the Tulsi camp, but she is just so fucking bad as a politician, it's unreal. It's hard to believe she can suck that much considering the platform that she is running on is such a winning issue. She just lacks any charisma/authority, and she bores me to death when she goes on her dull and long-winded monologues which all sound the same. |
Egarran
10.17.19 | We wouldn't want our totally rational economic system to waste money. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.17.19 | When your argument is "the entire field of statistical studies is flawed" in response to hard evidence, your powers of cognitive dissonance have reached god tier. |
SitarHero
10.17.19 | It's all a conspiracy by Big Stats I tells ya! |
CugnoBrasso
10.17.19 | Ctrl F + Rodrigo |
JoeTex
10.17.19 | nancy destroying donnie on a daily basis now |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.17.19 | 'Ctrl F + Rodrigo'
Lmao thank you for that. |
budgie
10.17.19 | "When your argument is "the entire field of statistical studies is flawed" in response to hard evidence, your powers of cognitive dissonance have reached god tier."
you totally missed the point. the field of statistics is flawed WHEN AND ONLY WHEN IT CHALLENGES MY PRESUPPOSITIONS.
idiot! |
butt.
10.17.19 | cool, WH just announced next year's G-7 will be held at Trump's Miami golf course. Just the latest example of Trump pissing all over the Constitution |
Relinquished
10.17.19 | bet I'll be there, I made some friends from the course recently lol |
JoeTex
10.17.19 | quid pro quo |
TheSpaceMan
10.17.19 | "When your argument is "the entire field of statistical studies is flawed" in response to hard evidence, your powers of cognitive dissonance have reached god tier."
if this is aimed at me, you're misconstruing what I'm saying to the point of being defensive. if it wasn't i'm self centered |
Shamus248
10.18.19 | For fucks sake, even the Koch brothers-funded Kato institute, a conservative leaning think tank, said Medicare for All will save money compared to our current system. You think wealthy, billionaire oligarchs whose entire existence is predicated on keeping the status quo and lobbying politicians to do their bidding, would try to undermine Medicare for All at any cost, but even they couldn't do it.
NITF is right, if your argument that the field of statistical studies is flawed, you really are just (best case scenario) ignorant...it's not like a bunch of apolitical jackoffs crunch these numbers. Also, just so we're clear, Medicare for All may raise the public tax, but will eliminate the private tax you pay for healthcare, so you're net saving money and it's a net tax *cut* for the middle class. No premiums, no co pays, no deductibles, no middleman. if you want coverage around the edges for *supplemental* insurance, that's fine, but overall you're paying less money for more coverage and *everybody* gets covered, just like Biden, Buttigieg and all the other anti-healthcare centrists claim they want to do. |
GhostB1rd
10.18.19 | "Kato institute" |
Egarran
10.18.19 | Spelling mistakes in a Trump debate are popular because of the down-to-earth anti-elitarian vibes. You will notice especially his supporter use bad grammar as a group identifier, while his detractors are keen to seem educated.
But we are not fooled. |
Valkoor952
10.18.19 | Expedentially |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | The fact that you guys read my comment as anti whatever you're arguing is really defensive, it's not targeted at what you're saying. And what I was asking has nothing to do with statistics being flawed or whatever it is you're running away with rn, it's economics if anything but it's not discounting any field of study. |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | I'm literally just laughing at the classic "I read study that says x" when it's something so incomprehensibly complex and it's being boiled down to a very specific stat. I'm sure there's a million other studies that support whatever side you aren't on. |
zakalwe
10.18.19 | When facts aren’t believed we truly are entering the end of days |
SitarHero
10.18.19 | "I'm literally just laughing at the classic "I read study that says x" when it's something so incomprehensibly complex"
And you're literally being laughed at for this creative use of the "Fuckin magnets, how do they work? / And I don't wanna talk to a scientist / Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed" ICP logic. |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | Predictors aren't facts, and economists aren't scientists. The fact that some of you guys think they are is what I'm taking issue with... slow your role sitarhero |
butt.
10.18.19 | "When facts aren’t believed we truly are entering the end of days"
Zak this is the very problem with most (not all) Trump supporters. He's publicly made like 13,000 false or misleading statements since taking office, there's a website that tracks these complete with sources and citations. He constantly makes up stats, phone calls/conversations, conspiracy theories, and his fans eat up every ounce of it. Meanwhile denouncing real studies and data. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.18.19 | TSM: I have a bachelor's in Economics and a Master's in Statistics, so I'd like to think I know how to interpret these "incomprehensibly complex" studies. Your profound ignorance is showing, and you should just stop now. |
NOTINTHEFACE
10.18.19 | " I'm sure there's a million other studies that support whatever side you aren't on."
There aren't, and the burden of proof is on you to show that there are, given that you just claimed this. And an op ed in the WSJ doesn't count. |
SitarHero
10.18.19 | "slow your role sitarhero"
It's either "slow your roll" or, if you're The Rock, "know your role".
And while economists may not be scientists, your "we don't have the facts" argument is wilful ignorance disguised as faux prudence. No one is arguing that studies constitute facts, but they DO constitute evidence, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary it is the most compelling evidence available.
Also, what NITF said x2 RE: burden of proof and profound ignorance. |
Deathconscious
10.18.19 | @butt yep, its a little scary and Orwellian that people are falling for it. |
butt.
10.18.19 | Orwellian really is the right word. I made the mistake of reading fox news comment sections yesterday after it was announced that he would host the next G-7 at his own golf resort and everyone there was saying something like "owning the libs again!" or "haha stupid dems, he sure knows how to get under their skin!"
They see it as a sports competition or something, and have zero care for the fact that he's using the presidency to enrich himself and his family. Despite that being strictly outlawed in the Constitution they claim to care so much about. |
SitarHero
10.18.19 | It's doubly fun because the same people who are totally on board with investigating the POS Bidens for corruption and blackmailing Ukraine to do it are also completely okay and even supportive of the G7 bullshit and Trump family's nepotism in general. I wonder how the Kush-man's plan to bring peace to the Middle East is coming along. |
budgie
10.18.19 | "You will notice especially his supporter use bad grammar as a group identifier"
lmfao it's the fucking truth |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | Haha sitar I always thought it was role. I'm at work so I can't pull something up rn but I have an interesting piece I wanna share that maybe gets my point across later tonight. And again im not at all arguing against your guys point, im on board with healthcare reform in a lot of ways. You guys aren't really hearing what I'm saying cause i haven't articulated it well enough I guess. NITF I'm glad you have the education in the topic maybe we can actual talk about this instead of you just flaunting it. |
Itwasthatwas
10.18.19 | SpaceMan isn’t wrong that “studies say x or y” has become something of a meme. It’s usually used as an appeal to authority based on something read in a newspaper or article or maybe reading the conclusion of an abstract and then repeated. Rarely does someone quoting research in these types of conversations actually explain why they think that research is well conducted and valid, or even take time to read the whole study in the first place.
There is a crisis of reproducibility in my own field of medicine and my understanding is the problem is much worse in social “sciences”. There is also an inherent bias built into the way research is selected for funding and publication. This is not to give an anti-science rant but more to observe that I very rarely meet someone talking to me about research that has really considered it in a thoughtful way. To be fair to everyone, short of experts in a particular area of research, no one can be expected to have a truly deep understanding of most issues. For example I may treat many common conditions like hypertension and understand the broad strokes of the research involving them, but no where close to the understanding held by the PHD who specifically researches a particular subtype of hypertension in a particularly sub population treated with a specific family of drugs.
Something as broad as healthcare economics, especially studies on massive policy prescriptions are unlikely to be understood by the majority of people and perhaps shouldn’t be expected to. If it’s your field of study, more power to you. Even then, it’s not like such claims can be empirically tested until decades later.
On the flip side, I think you can’t just deny all research because it has limitations, if you object to some research you should be prepared to identify why. In general I hesitate to overestimate the quality of our individual or collective knowledge of pretty much any subject; time will make dinosaurs of us all, as it has to every generation that came before. |
SitarHero
10.18.19 | Heh, just as long as you don't pull a Gyro and promise to give us data on how Climate Change is exaggerated...and then never do it. ;) |
Valkoor952
10.18.19 | can you provide me the data that shows we will die in 20 years, or 50? Fuck it, make it 100 if it makes it any easier |
SitarHero
10.18.19 | ctrl+f "burden of proof" |
budgie
10.18.19 | "can you provide me the data that shows we will die in 20 years, or 50? Fuck it, make it 100 if it makes it any easier"
IPCC sr15 of fall 2018 suggests we have about 10 years to manage ghgs before we might not be able to prevent an increase of 4c above pre industrial levels by the end of the century, which would create some seriously destructive conditions and cause millions of deaths especially in unfortunate areas like bangladesh, india... the "we have 12 years before we all die" thing is just a really uninformed, stupid, misinterpretation |
SitarHero
10.18.19 | I'm not sure if you understand what you just typed budgie, but essentially it says that we have a decade (less, since the study is from last year) to prevent a global catastrophe that will play out over the following 70 years.
No one is saying that the human race will die out over the next decade. What people ARE saying is that we have roughly a decade to prevent a global catastrophe.
But everyone currently on this thread will be dead anyway in less than 80 years, so why care? And if you want proof that you will be dead in 80 years or less I can probably link you studies on human life-expectancy in conditions of nutritional scarcity which we will almost certainly face due to climate change and crop failure. |
budgie
10.18.19 | "I'm not sure if you understand what you just typed budgie"
what |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | hey so here is the lecture I was thinking of, its really interesting if you guys wanna check it out sometime. parallels what ive been trying to say.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/1974/hayek/lecture/ |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | theres a huge distinction between science and economics; fact and model thats really important to recognize but gets lost in a lot of debates like these. I'll 100% concede what I said about not believing these predictions is dumb and that I came off unnecessarily aggressive, but people drop these things like the h-bomb ender of an argument when we're dealing with shit that no human or computer (except for NOTINTHEFACE apperently) can even begin to fathom. you're right that its worth taking all this data into consideration, but any true scientific study has a measurable % error and tolerance that simply cannot exist in a construct like economics. |
TheSpaceMan
10.18.19 | I'm not a gambling man, but I would bet anyone claiming a dollar save / cost amount on rebuilding a federal healthcare system for millions of people that the number they're reading wont even be accurate to +/- 100% of itself |
GhostB1rd
10.18.19 | Hey budgie and sitar, do you guys then accept the mainstream climate change gdp impact studies? Cause the mainstream says it's minor as fuck even by 2100 and a net positive until mid way through this century. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.18.19 | earth gonna eat the babies but it will be ok |
Shamus248
10.19.19 | did y'all know the Middle East will be uninhabitable by 2100? you think we have an immigrant/refuge crisis now, too bad we'll all be dead before we get to see that mess |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | lol |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | The Earth has warmed 1 degree Celsius in the past 140 years (more concentrated in polar regions btw) and you think the ME will be uninhabitable 80 years from now? You are a fucking retard. |
SitarHero
10.19.19 | "ghostb1rd in his 30's and still sounds like a surface-level dumbass lil bitch"
Never not relevant. |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | So you're happy being Gyro in this situation? |
budgie
10.19.19 | the fact that people argue against the reality of climate change is spirit rupturing
if every voting person in the western world accepted the IPCC reports even then it would still be a near impossible challenge to overcome. |
zaruyache
10.19.19 | at the absolute minimum pollution is bad so we should be cutting down on that on principal alone. Can't really move forward technologically if we insist on propagating inefficient industry. |
budgie
10.19.19 | yeah, damnit. i want my county to have a fleet of fuel cell buses! last i read there were only 15 or so in all of my state, of 40 million people |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | And I want the entire power grid to be nuclear. Doesn't change the fact that climate change retards are grossly exaggerating reality. |
sixdegrees
10.19.19 | boy bye |
oltnabrick
10.19.19 | boy bye
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TheSpaceMan
10.19.19 | If the entire power grid was nuclear, where will the hamsters work? |
budgie
10.19.19 | "And I want the entire power grid to be nuclear. Doesn't change the fact that climate change retards are grossly exaggerating reality."
you're a dumbfuck |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | lol of course budgie's against nuclear power |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Budgie is antifa just so you guys know |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | He bashes the fash. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Yeah but he doesnt smash the gash I can tell you that for certain |
budgie
10.19.19 | i hate acknowledging what your dumbass says ghostbird, it should be clear i'm more than enthusiastic about an infrastructural progression toward nuclear energy. pots suck my dick. i'd happily die alongside german antifascist groups in the 30's. what's so fucked up in your head that you bag on folk who push a rhetoric against fascism? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Its 2019 not 1930 |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Budgie lowkey political bigot u can tell cuz of how triggered he gets |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | budgie likes to larp in the park during working hours |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Budgie how many Fidel castro shirts do you own |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Budgie "i LiKe TaNkS" Fudgerton |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | I think he grumped out |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | https://www.bandana-world.com/ |
hal1ax
10.19.19 | circling back to the whole 'facts / statistics' epistemology topic: facts can be presented in a dishonest way. i mean this is one of the focal techniques of the news media: disjointing segments of fact from their broader, holistic context in ways which breed specious narratives to build upon. not to mention statistics are really only quantified representations of a process; if the process was apocryphal, or the internal validity is weak, then 'fact' loses its integrity. obviously i'm not saying ignore all data / scientific studies yada yada, but, at the same time, rigorous investigation is needed to really arrive at 'fact' a lot of the time. i think Space's point was pretty much this. |
budgie
10.19.19 | guess it must be real difficult engaging climate change politics up there in vancouver |
GhostB1rd
10.19.19 | budgie you should hit up snox to hook your Antifa crew up with some sweet blacked out battle jackets. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | lmao awe i didn't say anything about climate change lil bb that doesn't mean i don't care *heart emoji* sorry my joke did u a gwump gwump :( |
budgie
10.19.19 | i'd love to meet up with snox and string you up |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | yeah i know how your kind feels about a good ol' lynching |
budgie
10.19.19 | shut the fuck up |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Physically make me barbarian |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Dont forget your bandana |
PunchforPunch
10.19.19 | I supported clean energy before Greta made it cool with her stupid anti nuclear stance. God what a dumb fucking kid she is. |
budgie
10.19.19 | how much of a raging coward are you that you cant get over a 15 y/o girl trying to better her state's politics |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
10.19.19 | Guess what budgie ur a bigot |
PunchforPunch
10.19.19 | Stop being such a raging bitch Budgie. |
RolyPoly
10.19.19 | instead be a sexual harassing piece of shit like p4p |
Pon
10.19.19 | Steady on, Mystle |
Storm In A Teacup
10.19.19 | Bernie for Pres 2020 y'all |
unclereich
10.19.19 | autism speaks:climate change |
Egarran
10.19.19 | >At the absolute minimum pollution is bad so we should be cutting down on that on principal alone.
Preach.
"What if we make the world a better place and it turns out to be a big hoax??"
|
budgie
10.19.19 |
"What if we make the world a better place and it turns out to be a big hoax??"
but then the californyuh libruls will be right |
ConcubinaryCode
10.19.19 | Sputnik is fake news and an enemy of the people |
TheSpaceMan
10.19.19 | Hard shoutout to itwasthatwas and hal1ax for both wording what I was getting at better than I ever could |
EoinCofa
10.19.19 | 5 is such a great album. Coheed’s version of A Rush and a Push is nice too. Funny that they never heard the song until they decided to cover it. So what is everybody else talking about in this thread? |
TheSpaceMan
10.19.19 | Although I do wanna say that my point was less about intentional misuse of stats, and more the misinterpretation |
Itwasthatwas
10.19.19 | A couple more thoughts on what spaceman and Haliax were saying:
- the scientific method doesn’t purport to “prove” that something is true. If we hypothesize that something is true, the best we can do is show that we are x% confident within certain conditions that our hypothesis isn’t untrue (we reject the null hypothesis)
- it’s very difficult to do this for more than one very narrow claim at a time
- economic and financial forecasting is an entirely different process that relies on a number of assumptions and shouldn’t be mistaken for the same type of evidence
- an example of how even a very narrow scientific question can result in misrepresentation is as follows. There was a blood pressure/heart rate medication that was considered the gold standard for treatment of heart failure. A new study came out showing that a different drug had slightly superior mortality benefit and all over the country people had their medication changed. The problem was, the people doing the study didn’t use perfectly equivalent doses so the question then became whether or not the difference was simply due to using a higher dose. That type of uncertainty increases exponentially as more and more variables and complex questions are introduced
- TL;DR - be careful when assessing the value of research |
Itwasthatwas
10.19.19 | Also remember that “expert consensus” led to opioids being handed out like candy for non-cancer pain. Be skeptical of how close we are to the truth, on most issues. |
budgie
10.19.19 | was that an expert consensus? |
TheSpaceMan
10.19.19 | Yep, I work as an aerospace engineer on jet engines, and its made me realize how ridiculous it is to assume finite element method, which is how we try to suggests damaged parts can last their lifetime in the air, is anywhere near the 'truth'. And since its based on physical sciences, which are way easier to support with tangible data then social-sciences like economics, I can only imagine how open to variation from a "true value" macroeconomic models are. |
Itwasthatwas
10.19.19 | In the 80s and 90s it was taught in medical and nursing schools that pain was a vital sign (lol) and that it was safe to prescribe opioids for benign causes of pain, like low back pain for example.
It was also thought to be ok to use paid “donor” blood at one point for transfusions (the 70s?) resulting in patients contracting hepatitis C. Centers that bucked the consensus (like Calgary, Canada for example), resulting in a lower risk pool, had a much lower percentage of cases contracted. |
Storm In A Teacup
10.20.19 | socialism for prez |
hal1ax
10.20.19 | yall on point @space & Itwas |
GhostB1rd
10.20.19 | Ask libs how much they care about scientific consensus and stats when it comes to IQ and watch the immediate fucking flip. |
budgie
10.20.19 | [2]
about socialism
not whatever the fuck undeveloped ghostbird said |
Deathconscious
10.20.19 | Idk why, studies show libs have higher IQs on average. |
Meridiu5
10.20.19 | Idk why, studies show libs have higher IQs on average.
That's a dumb correlation, probably full of statistical sampling biases that make the conclusions useless. Japan is one of the most conservative countries and they have one of the highest IQ's as well. Conservatives in the US also have higher income and donate more to charity. |
hal1ax
10.20.19 | oh no.. it's an IQ battle |
budgie
10.20.19 | agreeing with meridius here
it's a pretty stupid thing to bring to the conversation, adolf christ |
zaruyache
10.20.19 | Isn't it because college-educated people are more likely to be liberal? And IQ tests are shit that don't test for the kind of intelligences you need to, say, fix a tractor. |
hal1ax
10.20.19 | IQ tests are fucking stupid anyway. most of the subsections are purely academic. the more schooling you have the more you are primed for them. ability to adapt and learn is what is important |
Deathconscious
10.20.19 | oh, i started a whole thing. i was just trying to trigger ghost, thanks for ruining the fun guys. |
unclereich
10.20.19 | doin good work in that trump thread my man, way more patience than i |
EoinCofa
10.20.19 | “IQ tests are fucking stupid”
Great oxymoron! |
hal1ax
10.20.19 | ikr |
budgie
10.20.19 | oh yeah i got 1000th post |
Egarran
10.20.19 | This was a fun and/or scary article about last week: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/19/meltdown-donald-trump-impeachment-pelosi-romney-mulvaney |
SitarHero
10.20.19 | "Japan is one of the most conservative countries"
Lol, by what metric? |
Deathconscious
10.20.19 | you can buy used panties from vending machines there.
probably not true, but i want to believe. |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | You can, I have. |
zaruyache
10.20.19 | areyousureabouththat.gif |
budgie
10.20.19 | lol |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | If trump was black what would people think of his character? |
Viriathus
10.20.19 | Lets just get rid of the entire Republican party and like 99% of the Democratic party. |
Viriathus
10.20.19 | So long as we get someone who isnt just a corporate conservative shitfuck pretending theyre a leftist onto the democratic seat then sure vote him out. |
oltnabrick
10.20.19 | obama would still be worse |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | Black lesbian. |
oltnabrick
10.20.19 | obama sucks! |
sixdegrees
10.20.19 | obungler? |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | Black lesbian who was ex services but was medically retired and is now in a wheelchair. |
sixdegrees
10.20.19 | zak's dying fox news grandpa brain convincing him that hes posting some kind of incredible own itt |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | Nah. I’m just asking a question to you brainwashed cunts. |
sixdegrees
10.20.19 | sod off |
budgie
10.20.19 | all this marijuana excise monies and the state doesn't even supply my county with fuel cell bus transports SHAME ON YOU NEWSOM SHAME ON YOU
apparently he signed in a bill banning fur products |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | Openly apologises to the entire nation and world for any wrongdoings and blames it on their struggle with realising their trans |
oltnabrick
10.20.19 | Nah. I’m just asking a question to you brainwashed cunts.
|
zakalwe
10.20.19 | :D |
Sinternet
10.20.19 | zak's just mad spurs are shite |
zakalwe
10.20.19 | I’ve given up on footy sin mate. Soulless as fuck. Whole game and people associated with it has gone ‘spursy’ |
GhostB1rd
10.20.19 | Now that we know Trump will be reelected in 2020, the real question is what happens in 2024. |
oltnabrick
10.20.19 | footy |
sixdegrees
10.20.19 | 2044: president Logan Paul announces the first annual Purge |
GhostB1rd
10.20.19 | Don't get carried away six we'll all be dead because the world will be uninhabitable by 2044. |
GhostB1rd
10.20.19 | Climate change, y'know. |
Deathconscious
10.20.19 | lol got em. what even is all this science stuff anyways? |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | Climate change, y'know.
|
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | fuck you! |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | no fuck the orange man! |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | conservatards btfo! |
GhostB1rd
10.21.19 | The temp will be 0.2 degrees warmer. We all gonna die. |
Deathconscious
10.21.19 | magnets |
SitarHero
10.21.19 | How do they work? |
Meridiu5
10.21.19 | IQ tests are fucking stupid anyway. most of the subsections are purely academic. the more schooling you have the more you are primed for them. ability to adapt and learn is what is important
IQ is the most accurate measurement in psychology. if you don't believe in IQ, you're literally denying an entire branch of science. |
sixdegrees
10.21.19 | thoughts on phrenology? |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | i dont give a shit! |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | haha meridiu, the question is, what are they accurate at doing? because most psychometricians don't believe they are accurate at conveying general intelligence. they're more of an academic aptitude test. also what 'branch of science' does the IQ test fall under? you are a fucking moron |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | notice how every IQ test is different? that's because intelligence is abstract and it's measurement varies from psychometric to psychometric, based on the statisticians view of what the concept entails. it is anything but a hard science |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | 'IQ is the most accurate measurement in psychology.'
ironically a very low iq statement, considering the masses of criticisms that modern psychology has for these tests. psychology can't yet agree on how to properly and impartially measure intelligence as a whole. iq tests heavily weight towards logic, leaving other forms of intelligence extremely underrepresented. until we can figure out how to define an objective ratio of all forms of intelligence, we can't begin to design a test that's all-encompassing. besides what iq test are we talking about here - Stanford-Binet or WAIS? each is insufficient enough to create an objective determination of a persons iq
if you're actually interested and not just blabbing on about stuff you have no clue about to seem like you know shit you don't, these are pretty simple but good reads
http://www.aboutintelligence.co.uk/alternative-brain-tests-for-intelligence.html
http://www.aboutintelligence.co.uk/how-intelligence-measured.html
https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-16/edition-10/ten-things-i-hated-about-intelligence-research |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | sint knows |
Relinquished
10.21.19 | we must show them the music of sean and rob |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | lol ;] |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | sob and ron |
GhostB1rd
10.21.19 | If we can't measure intelligence we can't measure athletic ability either. |
GhostB1rd
10.21.19 | Fuck it anything multifaceted is just immeasurable. |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | nothing matters |
RolyPoly
10.21.19 | IQ is for insecure uppity rich kids that use big numbers to fellate their fragile egos.
It's of no coincidence meridudu is into that sort of thing |
budgie
10.21.19 | i tink the verb form is fellate
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RolyPoly
10.21.19 | Oh ok ty lol |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | IQ is for insecure uppity rich kids that use big numbers to fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio fellatio their fragile egos.
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Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | IQ has some interesting applications and is part of some interesting correlations, just because it’s not a measure of true general intelligence (good luck defining it before measuring it) doesn’t mean it’s useless. This is especially true today when most high earning jobs require very similar traits to academic performance (e.g banking, consulting, engineering, medicine, computer science). |
budgie
10.21.19 | np bff |
RolyPoly
10.21.19 | Ontalbrick has been possessed by the spirit of chuck 😱 |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | the bride of chuck |
Meridiu5
10.21.19 | Which would you rather have, a child with 70 IQ or a child with 130 IQ? |
oltnabrick
10.21.19 | i just want a child |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | Hell how about 110 vs 90, to avoid the problem of outlier cases. All else being equal, no one honestly chooses 90. |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | Lol wow that changed everything meridiu. I will now put huge stock in the IQ test and view it as infallible and precise, thanks to your framing it in terms of me picking hypothetical children along the IQ gradient, you fucking inbred |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | Maybe it’s not tasteful but it’s a simple example that’s consistent with the reality that IQ tests predictably measure a component of human intelligence and have statistically significant correlations to things like future academic performance, income, ability to navigate modern social institutions, etc. Honest answers to his question would likely reveal that most people’s intuition mirrors this reality. Thus my earlier claim that the metric might not be perfect, but is still far from useless. |
RolyPoly
10.21.19 | I hope nothing but the best for our dear friend meridu, a stable traditional family and a first born son of pure aryan blood with big brain IQ, except the son turns out to be hyperfem gay. |
ArsMoriendi
10.21.19 | Wasn't the IQ test (Alfred Binet's test) invented originally so schools could see which kids would need more help in the classroom/had learning disabilities, not as a dick measuring contest? Well, it sure is a dick measuring contest now.
If your IQ is high, there's no real point in boasting about it anyway since your abilities in the academic fields and your critical thinking/decision-making skills will show what you can do in a way that actually matters. Have a high IQ? That's nice, but let's see what skills you have and what your ability to learn is like in practice. If you must boast, boast about your degree or a new discovery you made, or your actual accomplishments.
Boasting about IQ without accomplishments to back it up is like boasting about being a Sagittarius.
I'd rather talk to someone of average IQ who spent their life researching their field than some high IQ guy who does absolutely nothing productive, and honestly, I'd probably consider the former more intelligent than the latter where it counts.
So uh...the IQ test is to help slow kids, not for the fast kids to feel elite. |
SitarHero
10.21.19 | "either, as long as they arent meridiu"
Fucking LMAO! |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | You’re absolutely right Ars about tangible works vastly outweighing theoretical potential in value but in doing so are basically acknowledging that IQ correlates with the ability to perform those works. It does, not perfectly, but not insignificantly. |
Meridiu5
10.21.19 | Democrats the new party of science deniers LMAO |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | "IQ has some interesting applications and is part of some interesting correlations, just because it’s not a measure of true general intelligence (good luck defining it before measuring it) doesn’t mean it’s useless. This is especially true today when most high earning jobs require very similar traits to academic performance (e.g banking, consulting, engineering, medicine, computer science)"
I'm not going to disagree that it has some use in that it can usually make general predictions (with a sizeable margin of error i might add) and may be useful towards some particular applications - academic performance yes, because the way our academic structure is in most developed countries is geared towards better performance in these types of tests (although this is a pretty circular argument as a lot of the research that went towards these tests in the first place was conducted with a view towards predicting academic performance) - the hiring industry however is more geared towards aptitude tests.
my argument is not that these tests are useless, they have their merits and applications particularly in academic prediction, but far too often idiots who have heard the term once use it as a holy metric upon which to rank people (which honestly spurred me to actually look into this a while back) - these are mostly however the same people who peaked in high school and still quote their test results to people, aka the not really smart at the end of the day people |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | @itwas - yes it is a decent predictor for academic ability, and as we all know, there are strong positive correlations between level of education and income, yada yada, no one is disputing that the test has zero application. the contention is that it does very little to produce accurate metrics of general intelligence |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | ars you're somewhat correct in that the concept of measuring this was initially for that purpose but further refinements and variations of the test expanded the scope into a general learning performance predictor |
ArsMoriendi
10.21.19 | I took a pocket IQ test when I was like 14 and it said my IQ was 121.
lol |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | Haliax, the original semi-joking contention, from DC and meridius was implicitly that it’s grossly useful for categorizing groups of people, which in my opinion is not debunked by arguments against its relationship to general intelligence. I don’t have a strong opinion on the initial trolling, but my internet autism couldn’t leave the topic at that lol |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | also just wanted to respond to this as well
"Maybe it’s not tasteful but it’s a simple example that’s consistent with the reality that IQ tests predictably measure a component of human intelligence and have statistically significant correlations to things like future academic performance, income, ability to navigate modern social institutions, etc. Honest answers to his question would likely reveal that most people’s intuition mirrors this reality. Thus my earlier claim that the metric might not be perfect, but is still far from useless"
I don't disagree with this, but this is narrowing down a purposeful question to the point of insignificance, as it doesn't really tell us anything. yes in a vacuum you would want your child to be the most attractive, the most intelligent, the most happy, the most successful etc they can be. - what you should be asking is if you would pick a child with an iq of 90 that leads an average but happy life or a child with 110 iq who leads a successful life but who rarely feels fulfilled. that's a moral question worth asking that could give us a better understanding. i'd say results from this hypothetical would be fairly mixed |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | @itwas - haha i see i see |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | if meridiu5 would care to attempt to debunk any of what i said, i welcome his puny anti-scientific efforts |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | I disagree sin, your reframed version is asking people whether they value intelligence and success over slightly less intelligence and happiness/fulfillment. Meri’s question specifically asks whether or not people think IQ measures something of value and really only that |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | but that's not really a useful question. obviously iq has some indications towards intelligence as I've already said, but this question absolves itself off any contextual factors - if you want to ask that question you need to find a better framework of doing it in, because you've given people an option of a or b where b is clearly better and there's little choice to actually make. once you pair it with other contextual factors, that are not only more replicable in natural variation, but also better at ascertaining what value people place on iq, you have more of a choice/dilemma protocol. |
Sinternet
10.21.19 | simply value doesn't exist in a vacuum, it relies on greater contextual factors, and attempting to understand value on a binary system where one is clearly better than the other doesn't really get you anywhere |
Meridiu5
10.21.19 | The original post was calling Conservatives low-iq so its interesting how weve drifted. There are definitely limits to how useful one number is for sure. |
GhostB1rd
10.21.19 | Mine was the original post and it very much was not doing that. |
GhostB1rd
10.21.19 | I actually think IQ is like athletic ability in a sense that applied training for either can improve results, yet their is a huuuuuuuuuuuge underlying genetic component to both. Neither is measuring something that is one variable, with many interconnected parts making it more an estimation of overall performance in a particular field (intelligence and athletic ability, respectively) rather than an exact single stat. |
Deathconscious
10.21.19 | you're welcome, everyone. |
budgie
10.21.19 | imagine unironically enjoying corn |
GhostB1rd
10.21.19 | dookie get outta here you didn't do anything. |
PunchforPunch
10.21.19 | https://www.businessinsider.sg/mitt-romney-pierre-delecto-secret-twitter-account-2019-10/?r=US&IR=T |
Deathconscious
10.21.19 | i started the IQ debate, ghostturd (my poop nickname actually rhymes with your username, take notes). |
Deathconscious
10.21.19 | "I took a pocket IQ test when I was like 14 and it said my IQ was 121."
whoa, you'd be able to power Doc's Delorean with your mind. |
hal1ax
10.21.19 | ars with that IQ you should think about checking cornfield |
budgie
10.21.19 | zak zak zak zak zak zak zak zak zak |
Egarran
10.21.19 | Anyone in here still wants to be identified as a Trump supporter?
The question is, how do welcome back the lost sheep who thought he was going to fix society?
How do we create a non-judgmental environment where they can admit their mistake without being ridiculed?
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Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | Sint I had gone to sleep but quickly -
Because everyone would obviously choose more intelligence than less if all else were equal, the question is a binary one of value. If IQ truly didn’t measure something useful, you couldn’t choose between 70, 90, 110, or 130. Since we obviously all agree that it does measure something useful you can, but originally people were claiming that it was too flawed to be useful. It’s not about isolating the metric in a vacuum, just agreeing on a foundational point so that discussions about the topic start with more or less the same premise (real but somewhat limited utility). |
zakalwe
10.21.19 | Anyone read Flowers for Algernon?
That’s one of me all time faves. |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | Yeah I read it a long time ago, it was pretty good |
Egarran
10.21.19 | Heh, just heard on the news that scientists have proved a correlation between how fast you walk and how smart you are.
I personally agree with this study. |
butt.
10.21.19 | "How do we create a non-judgmental environment where they can admit their mistake without being ridiculed"
love this thought, however a key component of narcissism is never admitting that you are wrong, ever |
Itwasthatwas
10.21.19 | Yeah I mean if those heretics confess their sins, show adequate contrition, and speak the catechism perhaps their blasphemy can be forgiven. Unfortunately their hearts have been hardened too far to seek our mercy |
butt.
10.21.19 | aight |
Egarran
10.21.19 | Pretty much. |
GhostB1rd
10.22.19 | Bet. |
Egarran
10.22.19 | Are you still a Trump supporter, ghost? |
oltnabrick
10.24.19 | Bet. |
unclereich
10.24.19 | Black entertainment television |
butt.
10.24.19 | oltna be like "oh man this trainwreck almost came to a halt, better start it up again" |
JoeTex
10.24.19 | lindsey throwing a fit |
Deathconscious
10.24.19 | global warming is real. |
Egarran
10.24.19 | Science has the worst graphs. |
oltnabrick
10.25.19 | hehehe |
sixdegrees
10.25.19 | thoughts?
|
oltnabrick
10.25.19 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdCsVo8Wm0 |
GhostB1rd
10.25.19 | Not a Trump supporter but I will be voting for him in 2020 unfortunately. Didn't vote for him in 2016 cause thought he might sell nuke codes for some magic beans but it turns out he didn't and the Dem candidates got EVEN WORSE than Hilldawg so here we are. |
zaruyache
10.25.19 | >even worse than hillary
>bernie still here
huh seems like a bad take |
GhostB1rd
10.25.19 | Especially Beanie. ESPECIALLY HIM. |
zaruyache
10.25.19 | also you know you can vote third party right? nobody's forcing the turd/douche sandwich dichotomy on you |
conesmoke
10.25.19 | Impeach oltna |
GhostB1rd
10.25.19 | Third party is a wasted vote in America. That's the world we live in. |
Stormheart
10.25.19 | Tulsi Gabbard |
GhostB1rd
10.25.19 | Tulsi is weird in that every time she says something reasonable she turns around and says some dumb shit right after. I feel like she's a good person though. |
GhostB1rd
10.25.19 | And obvs I'd fuck her fwiw. |
Stormheart
10.25.19 | i actually feel the same shes only 38 though |
GhostB1rd
10.25.19 | Her "Let's get this leg day" video was arguably the highlight of the race thus far. |
Stormheart
10.25.19 | im voting for her if i can 100% |
hal1ax
10.25.19 | ya tuls is hot |
Stormheart
10.25.19 | mommy prez vote yez |
conesmoke
10.25.19 | Had to google tuls cos I’ve never heard of he of her. She looks like an older version of Sophia Bush |
conesmoke
10.25.19 | “Iiii dont wana be anything other than other than what I’ve been tryin ya be lateleh” |
Stormheart
10.25.19 | spread the word of Tulsi she was in the military as a nurse and knows what war is like and wants to bring the troops home, there is only one thing i dislike about her platform and its eating me alive |
butt.
10.25.19 | hillary is objectively the worst/weakest candidate the dems have ever nominated. you really think she's better than biden and warren? |
Egarran
10.25.19 | Where are all the Trump supporters? |
SitarHero
10.25.19 | "you really think she's better than biden"
At least she wasn't senile. |
heck
10.25.19 | "there is only one thing i dislike about her platform and its eating me alive"
eating you alive is on her platform? damn thats rough |
SitarHero
10.25.19 | No, she delivers all her speeches from atop a T-Rex, thus her platform. |
JoeTex
10.25.19 | tulsi calling it quits |
EoinCofa
10.25.19 | ^not true
She pretty much said she’s all in today (and not seeking re-election to the House) |
Egarran
10.25.19 | Don't we have a single guy here who's gonna buy an AR-15 and start a civil war like that umpire? |
Meridiu5
10.25.19 | "Not a Trump supporter but I will be voting for him in 2020 unfortunately. Didn't vote for him in 2016 cause thought he might sell nuke codes for some magic beans but it turns out he didn't and the Dem candidates got EVEN WORSE than Hilldawg so here we are."
maga |
heck
10.25.19 | if you legitimately think that Trump is better than any of the dem candidates then you deserve to choke on your own shit |
Meridiu5
10.25.19 | Excellent use of statistics and evidence. I bow to your superior intellect. |
heck
10.25.19 | I don't give a shit about providing statistics and evidence |
Casavir
10.25.19 | "I don't give a shit about providing statistics and evidence" - Hellscythe 2019 |
heck
10.25.19 | yup that's what I said!
there are plenty of other people who will do that but I'm so sick of the shit that happens every single day now that I'm past the point of having reasonable and intelligent discussions with people who are A-OK with it |
necropig
10.25.19 | Praise Kek my fellow memesters. A good shadilay to you all. Trump train 2020 |
Casavir
10.25.19 | "yup that's what I said!"
I'm just pointing out that you're saying really dumb things that you most likely don't mean and will regret saying in hindsight for the sole purpose of shouting a position into the void that everyone and their mother already knows you hold. |
necropig
10.25.19 | BuT ANyonE i disAGreE WitH MuSt dIE111111?/?!!?!/!?1? |
heck
10.25.19 | that statement is far too reasonable and accurate and it upsets me |
Itwasthatwas
10.25.19 | Voting Kanye/Kid Rock 2020 come @ me bros |
necropig
10.25.19 | I'm so progressive I identify as a dishwasher tablet |
ConcubinaryCode
10.25.19 | True Trump has made some questionable decisions, but none of the people on the left have 100% foolproof plans so I'm gonna have to vote Trump in 2020. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | "if you legitimately think that Trump is better than any of the dem candidates then you deserve to choke on your own shit"
no u |
heck
10.26.19 | damb..... |
ConcubinaryCode
10.26.19 | Gottem |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | Got you cryin' so hard your finger hit the wrong key. |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | trump 2024 |
heck
10.26.19 | trump for god emperor |
budgie
10.26.19 | I hope the whole administration ends up like Mussolini [2] |
zaruyache
10.26.19 | [i]True Trump has made some questionable decisions[/i] |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | badass! |
Deathconscious
10.26.19 | "True Trump has made some questionable decisions, but none of the people on the left have 100% foolproof plans so I'm gonna have to vote Trump in 2020." |
ConcubinaryCode
10.26.19 | Trump just needs another four years to build that wall! |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | The real problem is that he wants to build the wall at the wrong border. |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | should build it at the canadian border
agreeD |
ConcubinaryCode
10.26.19 | At least Canadians are white though and I can somewhat relate to them despite them all being pot smoking hippies |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | Lots of white Meheecans homie. |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/CB9E/production/_108862125_justin_trudeau_yearbook_05.jpg |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | Ever watched Univision or Telemundo? |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | no thats stupid, i only watch high iq shows |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | Only low IQ trogs don't occasionally watch Univision babes. |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | no idea what you are even talking about tbh |
ConcubinaryCode
10.26.19 | Well those white Mexicans aren't the problem. They know their place. It's the bad ones that I don't like that are coming in and tarnishing my country |
SitarHero
10.26.19 | Is it just me or does "bad hombre" actually sound like a cool af compliment? |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | no |
SitarHero
10.26.19 | "Kyrie dropped 50 points last night like it was nothing. That mofo is bad hombre." |
sixdegrees
10.26.19 | huh???? |
SitarHero
10.26.19 | Just providing context for why "bad hombre" sounds like a compliment. |
Meridiu5
10.26.19 | It would if the age of consent in Mexico wasn't 12. |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | oh no |
hal1ax
10.26.19 | Baron 2044 |
DominionMM1
10.26.19 | it’s even cooler if you say loco bad hombre |
oltnabrick
10.26.19 | thats not any cooler
in fact probably even less cool! |
Egarran
10.26.19 | Of course Trump supporters don't reveal themselves.
They are a silent majority after all. |
Stormheart
10.26.19 | >Of course Trump supporters don't reveal themselves.
95% of Trump supporters voted for Trump because of firearms
wew america |
Egarran
10.26.19 | where u from boy
*spits* |
Stormheart
10.26.19 | no thanks ive seen these things escalate before and im not going to participate |
Egarran
10.26.19 | I guess you're German then. I'm a dane. |
Deathconscious
10.26.19 | "It would if the age of consent in Mexico wasn't 12."
Fuck, does Jesse know about this? We can NOT let him find out. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | What do the South and the Northeast both have in common?
A.o.C. = 16
Alright, alright, alright. |
ConcubinaryCode
10.26.19 | Needs to be lower tbh. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | Go to Europe. |
Egarran
10.26.19 | Send all white people back to Europe. |
budgie
10.26.19 | i wonder where in europe the typical american would best fit in
northern england probably |
NeroCorleone80
10.26.19 | We'll need translators first |
Deathconscious
10.26.19 | no, keep Americans isolated to America, we dont need to spread. im a nationalist, but for the opposite reasons Hitler was. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | What's it like to be an anti-American American? Can't relate to that faggotry. |
Deathconscious
10.26.19 | "We'll need translators first"
and a map with a "you are here" to carry at all times in case they forget where they are on the planet. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | Impeachment polls super horribly so knock yourselves out, kids. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | It's funny that anyone still thinks he's gonna lose in 2020 tbh.
I mean, what planet are you living on? |
Deathconscious
10.26.19 | "Impeachment polls super horribly so knock yourselves out, kids."
lol even Fox's polling shows the majority of Americans support impeachment, the fuck are you talking about. |
Egarran
10.26.19 | How much you must loathe and despise Americans if you think they will re-elect Trump. |
GhostB1rd
10.26.19 | You'd be a terrible political strategist.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/26/politics/impeachment-unpopular-swing-states-wisconsin/index.html |
Deathconscious
10.26.19 | okay? i never said it was going to happen, i dont think it will. you just retardedly said "it polls super horribly" when half of America wants it. thats that. next. |
necropig
10.27.19 | cnn and hellscythe are the enemy of the people |
Deathconscious
10.27.19 | no thats mexicans. |
necropig
10.27.19 | I'll update my list |
GhostB1rd
10.27.19 | Plot twist, Hellscythe is a Mexican. |
heck
10.27.19 | "cnn and hellscythe are the enemy of the people"
yer goddamn right |
GhostB1rd
10.27.19 | Callate, ese. |
Deathconscious
10.27.19 | but if we put up the wall, how will we get our fajitas?? |
heck
10.27.19 | how much taco bell do you think donnie consumes per week |
Stormheart
10.27.19 | you dumbasses he only goes there for the fries duuuuuuuuh |
GhostB1rd
10.27.19 | How many times do I have to educate you simpletons? Donnie T has someone else go there for him, and he does it for the filet-o-fishes. |
hal1ax
10.27.19 | yea he massacres the filet's |
Stormheart
10.27.19 | chic fil a incels |
Deathconscious
10.27.19 | Bootyjudge is immune to Tulsi's booty. |
TheSpaceMan
10.27.19 | When I go to Chick Fil A I typically don't order a meal, and instead opt for a chick fil a sandwhich and spicy chicken supreme. |
Egarran
10.27.19 | LOL y so srs |
oltnabrick
12.01.19 | any day now |
oltnabrick
12.01.19 | haha epic ftw |
oltnabrick
12.01.19 | post ass |
Meridiu5
12.01.19 | Trump >> you so keep squirming basement dwellers |
sixdegrees
12.01.19 | hes not gonna fuck you |
oltnabrick
12.01.19 | fuck me trump |
Deathconscious
12.01.19 | Gimme that cheetocock, big boy. |
hal1ax
12.01.19 | meridiu would u spread your cheeks for the epic cheese dick??? |
Tyler.
12.01.19 | they shouylmd impeach my p*nis |
alamo
12.01.19 | eproted
|
GhostB1rd
12.01.19 | I have it on good authority that Trump is gonna slap his dick out on the lectern during the first cross-party debate.
You heard it here first. |
oltnabrick
12.19.19 | htey did it
he is in a peach |
Deathconscious
12.19.19 | ima eat it |
oltnabrick
12.19.19 | eat tha night |
Egarran
12.19.19 | So now it's up to Mitch to save his enormous ass. |
tectactoe
12.19.19 | 'htey did it
he is in a peach'
this might be the single best comment i've ever seen in the history of this site. |
outliers
12.19.19 | free trump |
Cimnele
12.19.19 | nothing nice ever happens, he'll wriggle out and the news networks will say "This gives Trump a huge mandate to do whatever" and you'll go to war with Finland or something |
TheSpaceMan
12.19.19 | Oh this is the thread where NOTINTHEFACE suggested he has complete clairvoyance in the future of our economy because he majored in stats |
butt.
12.19.19 | cant believe hillary is the president now that's so crazy |
Egarran
12.19.19 | Is she even a real American? |
osmark86
12.19.19 | Trump is basically teflon. living proof that with enough money you can be the shittiest person ever and still get the wins. |
AmericanFlagAsh
12.19.19 | Mitch McDumbass will try to save him, but I hope Pelosi delays the trail |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.19.19 | extremely unlikely |
WretchedCacophony
12.19.19 | "Trump is basically teflon. living proof that with enough money you can be the shittiest person ever and still get the wins."
Not sure how Trump is shitty by any means. It's ridiculous that people allow CNN and celebrity's opinions to become their own. He's callous, but he's a businessman, and that's what I would expect from him. America first |
Deathconscious
12.19.19 | ^ lol |
Egarran
12.19.19 | Hey, it's a vacant standpoint. |
osmark86
12.19.19 | @wretched: strip him of all his inhereted money and influence and ask yourself if you'd still have him over for dinner. |
butt.
12.19.19 | "Not sure how Trump is shitty by any means"
this would be acceptable in the stone age but literally you can find examples every day using the internet |
Ryus
12.19.19 | "Not sure how Trump is shitty by any means."
lol |
Keyblade
12.19.19 | mr trump sir if u recant ur grab her by the pussy statement we'll withdraw this peach |
sixdegrees
12.19.19 | im glad mods closed the other thread so that I now have to give myself carpal tunnel trying to read this one |
Keyblade
12.19.19 | my end button on this laptop is convoluted, so even using page down takes ages. Willie u done fucked up |
butt.
12.19.19 | @six i knew you were quietly lurking among these threads. how am I doing? |
EnyaFangirl
12.19.19 | https://i.redd.it/u3qkzjhf5i541.png
easy contender for best meme of 2019 |
butt.
12.19.19 | lmfaooooo |
rabidfish
12.19.19 | lol |
unclereich
12.19.19 | Fuck trump |
butt.
12.19.19 | Fuck libtards |
HoopyFrood
12.19.19 | dont worry trumps presidency is fucking everyone except corporate stakeholders.
fuck corporate stakeholders |
butt.
12.19.19 | fuck everyone except corporate steakhodors |
Keyblade
12.19.19 | sir could u please take back what u said about young Hunter Biden? the lad is beside himself |
unclereich
12.19.19 | Butt i need to see you DL you have to be 18 to be on this site |
rodrigo90
12.19.19 | I can't believe that there are people who supports him. His xenophobia is just disgusting. I can't blame Americans for having an invasion of Mexicans in their country for decades. But I can't blame the Mexicans either for the "American dream" thing that they will encourage them to a better living in the U.S. |
WretchedCacophony
12.19.19 | democrats generally want immigrants to come because their lawmaking and policies favor immigrants, and in turn those immigrants will presumably vote to keep them in power. Trump is fine with immigration, but there's a process that applicants must go through. Most of Europe used to be really stringent on immigration until a few years ago... |
anarchistfish
12.19.19 | it shows how inebriated/hegemonic the democrats are that they'd rather have mike pence than take advantage of useless donald trump |
unclereich
12.19.19 | Well said British user |
unclereich
12.19.19 | I can't believe that there are people who supports him[2] |
Cimnele
12.19.19 | its funny that people have learned to stay calm and grammatical while typing insane bullshit |
Let
12.20.19 | That memes going on the decade list |
StarlessCore
12.20.19 | "Not sure how Trump is shitty by any means"
idk man what do you call stealing 2 million dollars from a childs cancer charity when you already worth billions
jesus christ some of you people have to get over yourselves. Be right wing. fine. but if we ALL cannot agree that he's a bumbling moron with no true, deep understanding of all the important stuff going on around him, we are DOOMED.
|
AnimalsAsSummit
12.20.19 | Who's this Trump guy everyone is on about? His name sounds like trumpet (instrument). |
Deathconscious
12.20.19 | also the US military staying at his failing resort while the taxpayers pick up the bill (no conflict of interest there at all!). also Saudi politicians staying in his hotels (once again, nothing to see here!). he loves to suck off the Saudis because he has businesses there, and in that way he's essentially supporting a humanitarian crisis (some might call it fuckin genocide) in Yemen. also increasing the amount of drone strikes in the middle east (and therefore civilian casualties). and yes i know, lots of civilians died under Obama too, and he should also be in jail. |
Keyblade
12.20.19 | he's not supporting genocide in Yemen because he said nice things about the Saudis, he's supporting it because he sold them the arms themselves as well as personally vetoing a resolution to end US involvement there |
Deathconscious
12.20.19 | "he's not supporting genocide in Yemen because he said nice things about the Saudis"
is this for me? because if so: duh. |
Keyblade
12.20.19 | idk read what u wrote. sounds like u meant he sucks them off which indirectly means he supports genocide
anyway apparently there's another Dem debate on right now. do these things ever end, jesus |
unclereich
12.20.19 | The bipartisan genocide thats been going on in yemen for years? Right all trumps fault there |
unclereich
12.20.19 | Supporting the Saudis is a real head scratcher from an ir standpoint but we have been supplying them arms since reza shah |
oltnabrick
12.20.19 | "this might be the single best comment i've ever seen in the history of this site."
tf |
sixdegrees
12.20.19 | you sir, have won the internet for today! |
Keyblade
12.20.19 | "The bipartisan genocide thats been going on in yemen for years? Right all trumps fault there"
the man said he supports the genocide, not that he started it all. u also seem to be ignoring the part where he vetoed the bipartisan resolution to end US involvement there |
unclereich
12.20.19 | im not ignoring that but i always find it funny when people attack him over a country they know nothing about. Not only that but they always seem to have such black and white solutions to complex problems. Lets look at the situation from a realist standpoint, the us cant up and cease its support for SA in yemen for fear of houthi rebels continued attacks on Israel and the general population, furthermore no president of the us is going to do anything to piss off the prince for fear huge blowback. Like i said it would be great if we stopped supporting SA one of the main states involved on 9/11 but its not so simple |
unclereich
12.20.19 | I have no love for the support of SA lets not get that twisted but if we are attacking trump lets make sure to add every us president since the 20s to that list |
oltnabrick
12.20.19 | obama most importantly |
unclereich
12.20.19 | Im gay |
oltnabrick
12.20.19 | obama is the first gay president |
unclereich
12.20.19 | He wasnt gay he was Keynesian |
Keyblade
12.20.19 | my family's from yemen dude
the reasons he gave were "protecting americans" or some bullshit, not some geopolitical strategy to protect Israel from houthis or w/e...not that the resolution didn't already pass congress anyway, who I'd wager understand this issue far better than ol' dude who's getting kickbacks from the Saudis |
Keyblade
12.20.19 | yea obama is a war criminal just like most of the presidents before him |
unclereich
12.20.19 | I know your family is yemeni we have had the discussion before thats why i said that. Its the same thing with ukraine all of the sudden people care now, its laughable isnt it? And honestly it all comes down to arms. Trump and every president before him does not want SA to purchase arms from other states. |
unclereich
12.20.19 | Maxine waters knows a lot more about the goings on of yemen than trump’s foreign policy advisers agrd |
unclereich
12.20.19 | Neither can point it out on a blank map guaranteed |
Keyblade
12.20.19 | yea, liberals would use any stick they can to beat him with, it's kinda disgusting. they didn't give a shit when Obama supported it
but the fact still remains that he supports it, just like obama did before him. only difference is there is a very tangible conflict of interest that's hard to ignore |
EnyaFangirl
12.20.19 | a day hasn't even gone by and the house already passed donny boy's NAFTA rework, #resist |
unclereich
12.20.19 | Dudes gunna be in office until he dies which will probably be midway thru his 2nd term either by heart attack or being killed at mar a lago by the Chinese |
oltnabrick
12.20.19 | epic if true |
Meridiu5
12.20.19 | too little too late to do it
his twitter meltdown rn is pretty juicy doe
[2]
https://i.postimg.cc/CL1mbyNp/AC3-F4214-6692-495-C-93-BE-F8743220-D3-AC.jpg |
sixdegrees
12.20.19 | PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT |
hal1ax
12.20.19 | a truly epic tweet storm |
Meridiu5
12.20.19 | CAPS LOCK ENGAGED |
Egarran
12.20.19 | Forget that there's no justice for a moment:
What are your absolute dream scenarios unfolding now? |
unclereich
12.20.19 | Not trying to be dramatic but I?ve decided I?m officially quitting the site for good, is there another way we could talk? |
DDDeftoneDDD
12.20.19 | Don't leave. Focus on music. This is a music site. |
unclereich
12.20.19 | is there another way we could talk? |
butt.
12.20.19 | can we get Beto in here for some educated opinions in spanish |
madrigal30
12.20.19 | ik theres a ton of "beta o'rourke" memes but actually fuck beto and his waffling, centrist stance on everything except gun violence. we get it, yr from texas and yr not an open carry hillbilly... who the actual fuck cares? unless yr planning on instituting some goddamn common sense gun legislation, fuck off.im so glad he's out of the race, now we just need to get biden outta here |
Calc
12.20.19 | is vegas taking bets on who wins in 2020? |
GhostB1rd
12.20.19 | If they are put down all my assets for Trump winning without a fight. |
Calc
12.20.19 | same actually. |
Spec
12.20.19 | I just learned how to instantly go to the bottom of the page. Thank you all very much. |
Itwasthatwas
12.21.19 | Imagine thinking we have no choice but to facilitate genocide in Yemen and the destruction of Syria in response to Israeli - Shia conflict |
anarchistfish
12.21.19 | dont be too hard on the yanks theyre indoctrinated from childhood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmoXze-Higc |
GhostB1rd
12.21.19 | fish is mad online at yanks for changing the course of history so that German wasn't his primary language. |
anarchistfish
12.21.19 | i mean the russians were more important if u wanna bring ww2 into it |
anarchistfish
12.21.19 | another example of cold war propaganda, thanks |
GhostB1rd
12.21.19 | Frogs are the most ungrateful, forgetful folk.
If it wasn't for Eva Green and Marion Cotillard we'd have severed ties with you altogether. |
anarchistfish
12.21.19 | https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2246159/sondage-nation-contribue-defaite-nazis.jpg |
EphemeralEternity
12.21.19 | Isnt this the billionaire who cashed a 13 cent check |
oltnabrick
12.21.19 | no that is obama |
GhostB1rd
12.21.19 | no it's actually Beanie |
Egarran
12.21.19 | Funny how every year chips away at USA's WW2 contribution.
In ten years we will probably learn they were mostly helping Hitler to power via some president's grandfather |
zakalwe
12.21.19 | lol |
oltnabrick
12.21.19 | Would be epic |
JoeTex
12.21.19 | good debate. |
Egarran
12.22.19 | Maybe republicans and evangelicals will be so disrupted by this, that they are forced to progress into dissolution.
I ask God and Satan for that every night. |
osmark86
12.22.19 | Twould be nice. |
StrizzMatik
12.24.19 | Lmao do people think this whole impeachment thing is actually popular or a good look for the left / Dems? Trump got 2020 gift-wrapped on a platter and will likely flip the House and retain the Senate once all the fallout settles. Impeachment is DOA in the Senate if they or the SCOTUS don't dismiss it outright based on the weak / groundless articles themselves |
butt.
12.24.19 | "Lmao do people think this whole impeachment thing is actually popular or a good look for the left / Dems?"
they knew before beginning that impeachment would end up boosting trump's approval. just like clinton. the fact that they still went forward with it shows that they actually do have genuine convictions imo. if this was all just a "stunt" then they wouldn't have done it in the first place, since they knew the political cost going into it |
butt.
12.24.19 | oh and btw there is absolutely no chance of Trump flipping the house. He'll keep the senate yeah, but especially with all the Republicans retiring lately, there's almost literally no chance |
SitarHero
12.24.19 | Yeah, the impeachment is really going to mobilise Trump's otherwise very quiet and passive voter base. |
Egarran
12.24.19 | I always respect political analyses that begin with 'lmao' |
StrizzMatik
12.24.19 | Or Pelosi went too far with her rhetoric and backed herself into a corner where she HAD to act, and caved into the far left base of her party threatening to primary everyone if they don't impeach, the much more likely scenario? If we're talking principles then why did they not immediately deliver the articles to the Senate to attempt to remove the dIrE tHrEaT they think Trump to be?
@butt no chance? The Dems couldn't even get their entire Party to vote Yes, they've had defections and lost the moderate/independent vote bc of it and it's turned them into a laughing stock. If you're not worried about 2020 being a massive sweep for the Rs, idk if you're paying attention |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
12.24.19 | Big talk for someone with nothing at all to say about anything ever egarran |
hal1ax
12.24.19 | "the fact that they still went forward with it shows that they actually do have genuine convictions imo"
i don't agree with the impeachment proceedings being about some genuine conviction and commitment to truth or whatever over it just being a weak strategy. these are politicians... left or right, in the end do you think any of them would wittingly take appearing honest and ethical knowing it would hurt their party / voter base / prospective success, etc etc.? fuck no. |
StrizzMatik
12.24.19 | If they wanted to be strategic and smart about it they would have just censured him and be done with it, and create actual legislation to counter Trump's to say "regardless of what he does, we are committed to working for the American people". Instead they've made their entire platform into Orange Man Bad, let the crazy extremist 40% of their party call the shots, want to give illegals instant citizenship and voting rights, erase the border, and implement rampant socialism with no plan to pay for any of it, and they honestly think the average mom and pop are going to vote for all that? The Dems need to move to the center or they're going to die and splinter in 2020. Tulsi and Yang know this, and that's why they don't go the typical FUCK BLUMP / Orange Man Bad routine and actually focus on policy - they are going to be the future of the party, bet on it |
SitarHero
12.24.19 | "The Dems need to move to the center or they're going to die and splinter in 2020."
Yeah that was the problem with Hillary in 2016. Too far left. |
StrizzMatik
12.24.19 | The only reason they are trying to impeach Trump is because they know they cannot beat him in 2020, and because if Barr/Durham/Huber's investigations are completed, then a LOT of prominent people will go to jail or hang for treason, including many of the people screaming the loudest for impeachment. The illegal FISA warrants and FBI/DOJ/Five Eyes spying goes all the way up the chain to Obama and his whole upper Administration |
SitarHero
12.24.19 | Sounds like a...witch hunt. |
StrizzMatik
12.24.19 | Hillary is/was a neoliberal authoritarian, nobody sane would consider her center lol. The Party has gone crazy hard to the left since 2016 too, to the point where a lefty extremist like Sanders is considered a moderate by some. Virtually every one of the Dem candidates supports crazy socialist authoritarianism and unconstitutional government power grabs better suited to China and the EU, and all of them would've been laughed out of candidacy only a few years ago compared to now, where ideas like $32 trillion Medicare-for-all is offered as a solution with 100% seriousness |
CookieFactory79
12.24.19 | While we are witnessing a beautiful year 2019 for the trend that some characterize globally of Pop Art (and it is rather justified), with very good albums released by Weyes Blood, Lana Del Rey, Angel Olsen, Thom Yorke ou James Blake (to name only them), Fka Twigs has managed to do even better than them by offering a grandiose modern album with all the ingredients that others possess but also because in innovation and creativity, it has gone much further than others. Technically, even if many know her influences : Bjork etc... I tend to think more about Kate Bush, mainly for the vocal performance, but also for the intensity and emotion she delivers. It is a masterpiece, which will most probably become a classic, because of all that I have heard this year, it is "the story" or "the stories" that have touched me the most and best written/interpreted, where we share the pain of an important relationship end and then how to relive and recover from it, it is an indescribable sadness where regret, depressions and loneliness mingle. In the moment of course on the fact that musically, the production is prodigious. I kill the suspense maybe too early, but we're far enough into the year to say that Magdalene will probably be the best album of the year as well as the cover too. rPS: Very happy to see that Future is the only vocal featuring, which still shows that he is probably one of the princes of the "urban blues" (call it what you want), by advising you to go listen again to Hendrixx or Save Me
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SitarHero
12.24.19 | "where ideas like $32 trillion Medicare-for-all is offered as a solution with 100% seriousness"
Yeah! It's not like that means $900 billion in savings compared to the existing system and eliminates the lack of health coverage!
Oh wait... |
hal1ax
12.24.19 | the 32 trillion single-payer figure is an expense mapping over a 10-year span. that's about what we pay now, but not just for services but also for lobbying, advertising, "R&D," etc etc. meanwhile most lower-middle class earners who make too much to qualify for medicaid can't afford their premiums. |
GhostB1rd
12.25.19 | Vote Beanie 2020.
Nationalize the farms.
Nationalize housing.
Nationalize clothing.
Beanie. Believe. |
DamnVanne
12.25.19 | pssst.... there isn’t actually any hope for American healthcare or social programs. Just move |
HoopyFrood
12.25.19 | vote trump 2020 because stock prices and space force, or something, idkr |
Deathconscious
12.25.19 | 17 murders. |
oltnabrick
12.25.19 | while there may be a lot of trans people with mental disorders, you guys have to realize there are a lot of trans people that are just as (if not more) normal than some of you are
|
oltnabrick
12.25.19 | you guys have to realize this |
hal1ax
12.25.19 | S P A C E F O R C E |
oltnabrick
12.25.19 | the demons are in space
saturn is hell |
sixdegrees
12.25.19 | during the holiday season its important to remember that hell is other people |
TheNotrap
12.25.19 | US is past tense |
SitarHero
12.25.19 | We need S P A C E F O R C E to fight against the war on Christmas. Santa needs air...er...S P A C E support. |
butt.
12.25.19 | @hal1ax I mean that’s literally what they did tho.. |
hal1ax
12.25.19 | You can’t determine that because you can’t know their intentions behind why they took this route. And Thinking these people are willing to privilege moral rectitude above their own political station is naive |
oltnabrick
12.25.19 | its also badass |
Deathconscious
12.25.19 | before anyone takes anything strizz says seriously:
"the economy is fine"
"Get a better job and cope harder"
"No wars started under Trump, no international incidents, if it weren't for his Twitter persona and the collective meltdown of the left it would be the most boring Presidency in ages."
"He's MUCH more honest than Clinton, Bush or Obama and actually comes through on his campaign promises"
"Yeah, it really IS as simple as getting a better job."
"Just chiming back in to let you know Trump's still President and you're still a fucktard with a child's grasp of economics and politics Death :^* botb and kompy too. But keep making angry soy noises and unhinged TDS, really brings the funnays" |
heck
12.25.19 | "Hillary is/was a neoliberal authoritarian, nobody sane would consider her center lol. The Party has gone crazy hard to the left since 2016 too, to the point where a lefty extremist like Sanders is considered a moderate by some. Virtually every one of the Dem candidates supports crazy socialist authoritarianism and unconstitutional government power grabs better suited to China and the EU, and all of them would've been laughed out of candidacy only a few years ago compared to now, where ideas like $32 trillion Medicare-for-all is offered as a solution with 100% seriousness" |
hal1ax
12.25.19 | """soy noises""" |
Tyler.
12.25.19 | yeah idk who is still taking strizz seriously |
hal1ax
12.25.19 | "socialist authoritarianism"
thinking everyone should be able to have access to basic healthcare without fear of plummeting into insurmountable debt for the rest of their lives is basically the most authoritarian shit ever |
HoopyFrood
12.25.19 | ya cos whats the point of guns if ppl can just go get free healthcare after getting shot? |
Egarran
12.25.19 | >yeah idk who is still taking strizz seriously
bc yall keep bumping his shit |
osmark86
12.25.19 | I find it baffling that so many americans are against universal healthcare when your healthcare system is so expensive and flawed. I'd be terrified of getting a cold in the US. |
osmark86
12.25.19 | I much prefer my socialist authoritarianism hell |
Egarran
12.25.19 | Free healthcare = increased personal freedom. |
GhostB1rd
12.25.19 | And it's free. |
Deathconscious
12.25.19 | Cheaper* than what we have now. |
Egarran
12.25.19 | I always forget to imply 'it's not really free, man'. You do contribute to paying for some poor idiot's continued living. |
HoopyFrood
12.25.19 | that idiot being ghostb1rd most likely |
heck
12.25.19 | if there's one thing living in america has taught me it's that being alive is a privilege, not a right |
HoopyFrood
12.25.19 | being alive will be a right once roe v wade gets overturned. staying alive, ah ah ah ah not so much |
hal1ax
12.25.19 | it's almost as if society creates the conditions of poverty into which one is haplessly born and then manipulates you into believing that not being able to afford your overpriced insulin is an indictment of your work ethic and character |
GhostB1rd
12.25.19 | Weird, it's almost like the government barring generic competitors from entering the insulin market makes the price go up. Better give the idiots who created the problem more control. |
hal1ax
12.25.19 | yea the FDA sucks i'll agree on that. but another reason why generic insulin is being boxed out of the market is because Novo Nordisk and Sanofi make slight, incremental alterations to their insulin formulae allowing them to keep their formulations under patent. |
Sinternet
12.25.19 | medical patents are the most unethical creations in human history |
Shamus248
12.25.19 | "it's almost as if society creates the conditions of poverty into which one is haplessly born and then manipulates you into believing that not being able to afford your overpriced insulin is an indictment of your work ethic and character"
fucking truth, i'm stealing this if that's kay |
osmark86
12.25.19 | Puritanisms finest piece of legacy |
oltnabrick
12.25.19 | SOCIETY |
GhostB1rd
12.25.19 | There has to be a balance between patent length and generic introduction. The rest of the world, as usual, freerides America's development sector but we have fucked up restrictions in place right now. |
StrizzMatik
12.26.19 | "Free healthcare"
Doesn't fucking exist
You can cry all you like about why universal healthcare should be a human right and yet not a single one of you can offer any solution to make this work without drastically raising taxes on everyone in the country, bankrupting the economy or basically recreating Obamacare, which was a disaster. It "works" in EU countries with a population the fraction of the USA's ONLY because a.) They heavily tax the population to pay for it b.) They have monoculture societies that are predominantly white and educated c.) Their economies are free market capitalist with insane deregulation that are arguably more free market than ours, and d.) Their defense is subsidized by the US and NATO
It's not "free", at all, and never will be
Before listening to idiots like Deathconscious, ask this:
- If healthcare is terrible in the USA then why does virtually everyone come here from other countries to get the highest-quality care? If socialized healthcare is better, then why do waiting lines exist, and why do people frequently die waiting for specialized care?
- If the USA isn't doing well, why are THOUSANDS jumping the border every year illegally and risking their lives to come here? Why are middle class wages consistently rising for the first time in decades?
- If socialism works well, then why are refugees constantly streaming from those countries to Western countries? Why does every socialist country and economy inevitably fail or produce dictatorships?
- If Bernie-style socialism is the way to go and popular with Americans, why is he peaked at #3 behind snorefests like Biden and Warren, who are far more center / moderate, and why do the vast majority of Americans dislike him and his political platform?
- If Trump's so fucking bad, then why is our country doing so well with him as President? If he is actually guilty of the many, many accusations of high crimes that have been levied against him, why were zero of them included in the articles of impeachment?
Maybe, just maybe, you've been indoctrinated by socialist hacks and activist professors who simply hate America and what it stands for. Maybe, just maybe, you're told to hate Trump because he's an actual threat to the status quo of those who run things. Maybe, just maybe, the people who tell you to trust the word of major media companies and alphabet agencies - the same ones who get caught *lying constantly* - were cynically manipulating you into buying into blatant propaganda. Maybe their *entire goal* is to divide everyone by race, religion, sex, politics, class, gender, etc. to prevent you from finding common ground with those on the other side and realizing the con being played on all of us? |
beefshoes
12.26.19 | I can tell you as someone that lives, works, and studies in neoliberal Austria (and the neoliberal EU for that matter), that if you were to go up to literally any random person and said that having public healthcare is either socialist or an impediment on ones liberty regardless of whether they are on the right or left, they would laugh and kindly tell you to fuck off. Literally no one in Europe aside from the most elite of the elite would ever consider publically saying that private healthcare is a reasonable idea, because everyone knows that it is absolutely tyranical and a scam. The only reason that around half of the US opposes it solely because of generations of propaganda from the right, and the fact that most Americans have probably never lived in a country where they had assured access to healthcare.
This issue is especially potent for me, as I have had family members and acquaintances with family that have died because of lack of healthcare or fear of treatment because of the threat of medical debt. If you aren't onboard with national healthcare, kindly fuck off, but please be mindful that your support of the status quo is keeping millions upon millions of people living in constant fear that wouldn't otherwise if private healthcare were either eliminated or strictly controlled. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | The problem with private healthcare is that it’s very hard to align profit motive with delivering high quality and accessible care. Current attempts make the system more expensive through administrative bloat.
The problem with public health care (and good private insurance plans) is the moral hazard of divorcing consumers from cost.
The theoretical benefit of private competition improving care doesn’t seem to play out in reality due to state by state oligopoly formation similar to the problem with big tech.
Ultimately I view population health as the most valuable national resource and therefore worth funding as a public service, similar to education. The caveats to that are that it requires responsible leadership that cares for safeguarding the interests of the existing citizenry and deep social cohesion to be sustainable. |
Relinquished
12.26.19 | ^ well put |
Egarran
12.26.19 | Damn StrizzMatik, it must suck to have written so much only to then read my next post.
The nothing is free-argument was tired several decades ago and is now only employed by angry-proud merkins who love easy answers. |
hal1ax
12.26.19 | virtually everything that dude says is regurgitated, tortured conservative propaganda. if america is so bad, uhh, why do people from failed, war-torn states emigrate here?!?! if, uhh, american healthcare is so bad, uh, why do wealthy people from out of state circumvent the triage systems of their home countries in favor of a healthcare system ran on perverse financial incentive only?!? how can bernie socialism be good when, uhh, V E N E Z U E L A |
sharkmsc
12.26.19 | -People come here to receive healthcare services because we have good doctors, the quality of care is irrelevant to the financial portion of the discussion.
-People come to America because it's next door and much better than starving to death or being killed. America is most certainly doing well relative to second- and third-world countries. That's a strawman when it's really about America not doing well relative to its potential.
-There aren't mass amounts of socialist emigrants swarming the U.S., this is discussed to drum up fear a la Islamophobia. Those who are coming are generally Eastern Europeans also in dire situations.
-You answered your own question, because they are more moderate.
-Our country isn't doing well, we still have tens of thousands of people dying of starvation, we're personally and nationally drowning in debt, and the burgeoning generations' earning potential is not keeping pace with cost of living and inflation. The only economic metrics that look good for us are unemployment (misleading when we are at an all-time of high of seasonal and unstable work and our earnings are not keeping pace per the above) and those that track the ever-improving situations of the wealthy. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | I get why people are nervous about govt run healthcare in the US because Medicare and Medicaid are kind of a mess. It would make people feel a lot better about a proposed overhaul of the system if the state proved its concept by offering a better product than private payers. I’m not sure it’s capable of doing so |
rellik009
12.26.19 | Okay, I have one negative point about America, they are ecologically lazy.
But that's my only input for this thread, because it shouldn't be here, ruining the website. Go on fucking 4chan for your usually sterile Internet debates. |
rellik009
12.26.19 | fucking hell guys, this is what voting and communication services were made for. Go on a private Skype or Discord and do your debates far from here. |
Egarran
12.26.19 | Cheers mate |
beefshoes
12.26.19 | There's no argument for private healthcare outside of the profit motive, and if you are willing to make that argument, you are a horrible person with no moral grounding. No one is arguing that European models are perfect, but even the worst model in Europe is still a million times better than than the American system. |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | You're a fucking moron. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | That post was stupid, true |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | Yeah I'm not gonna try to rebut pure retardation. I'll just let that wash by. |
zakalwe
12.26.19 | How much is American Health Insurance a month? |
JoeTex
12.26.19 | politickin |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | "we still have tens of thousands of people dying of starvation"
CITATION NEEDED |
WatchItExplode
12.26.19 | Zak - I pay $300/month for a high deductible plan with very poor coverage. For example, a basic office visit is $85 additional out-of-pocket. Things like blood testing and medications are minimally covered (luckily I don't have any conditions). |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | If you're young and healthy that's how insurance is supposed to work tbh. |
WatchItExplode
12.26.19 | You're gonna have to elaborate a bit bird... |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | Insurance is supposed to be security against unknown expenditures. If you get hit by a car or get cancer you're covered. Something minor should that is routine should be out of pocket.
Like car insurance. If you get in an accident, you're covered. If you have to get new tires or an oil change, you're out of pocket. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | Something to consider about public vs private is that seniors, disabled people, children, and the very poor are all eligible for some form of public health insurance that comes from your tax dollars anyways. The only people who aren’t are the generally healthier and lower cost pool of working adults. |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | Medicaid, Medicare, and CHIP plus heavily subsidized ACA plans cover everyone that Europeans on this site think are just dying in our streets. |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | Not to mention the fact that tons of poor people just show up at the ER and use it as their personal doctor and they're judgement proof so essentially they get free care that the hospital then cost shifts to everybody else. |
rellik009
12.26.19 | this debate has gone balls anyways, so whatever, just remember one thing:
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS ON THE INTERNET, DUMBASS. |
WatchItExplode
12.26.19 | The people dying are the working lower-middle class because they can't afford to access their coverage. Many are financially devastated by time a plan kicks in. I'm fine with what you say in theory but it doesn't work like that in actuality.
Took my son to get a swab because we though he had strep throat ($85). Swab came back negative so they expanded the testing to some other things they suspected. All came back negative so they just gave him some Amoxicillin ($8) and said "come back if that doesn't clear it up". Final bill = $1385. A minor medical occurrence does not translate to minor and manageable out-of-pocket expense in this country. Granted if I have another 4-5 such instances in a year insurance will begin to pay. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | That insane bill is the fault of the ridiculous insurance system. The clinic bills the insurance company 1400$ and expects to get 250$ back. You get billed the same amount but have to pay the whole thing. Also no one knows how much stuff actually costs because of the accounting distortions created by exploding complexity of the system. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | relic, no one cares how much you don’t care |
GhostB1rd
12.26.19 | Out of curiosity where did you go for treatment? The ER? There are like a hundred different ways to do that, some with insurance, some without. |
zakalwe
12.26.19 | 300 dollars a month and still forking out hand over fist for the basics?
Fucking hell! |
WatchItExplode
12.26.19 | Clinic appointment. Clinic is attached to and managed through the local hospital system (I'm in a pretty small town). I spent a week and many hours on the phone to get the bill down to $700, but I shouldn't have to. I actually work for a specialized Medicaid program and spend an incredible amount of time haggling with service providers and insurances. I honestly lose it when exposed to the depths of insanity within our healthcare system.
I'll get off my soapbox, but nothing within our system works as intended and it is very disheartening. That's before you even get into the gross levels of human incompetence and apathy that permeate the system. |
zakalwe
12.26.19 | I spose it’s all relative considering the higher annual earnings, cheaper fuel, food, clothing. The weather and overall sunnier disposition.
🇺🇸 >
Having said that the sunnier disposition would get on me tits I reckon I’d last about 10 days before wanting to ram my fist down someone’s throat. |
sharkmsc
12.26.19 | Yeah Explode, I analyze high-dollar hospital claims in my current role, so I know where you are coming from and I know this subject. On a national scale, people would rather work to find a workable explanation for why things are the way they are than identify a workable way to improve them. This baffles me. Also, those European taxes at least go towards paid-for college and graduate degrees, as well as many other things... America works very hard NOT to invest in its citizens, when doing so would have an actual GDP return. we can't even do capitalism right anymore. The reality is that things could be better and cheaper, and we shouldn't be bending over backwards to state otherwise when it isn't even in our best interest |
WatchItExplode
12.26.19 | Agreed on all fronts shark. I don't even really do high dollar claims, but I'll watch two dozen professional hours go into a claim for DME (medical equipment like a walker) worth $1000 and drag out over six months when the DME is intended to reduce the individual's reliance on paid caregivers. Insanity. |
Itwasthatwas
12.26.19 | When you consider that type of wasted system overhead multiplied millions of times over, you can see why it’s near impossible to even accurately determine the cost of one doctor’s visit or procedure. If we don’t even know what basic things cost, how do you then reform the system, especially when it’s so fragmented. Nearly an impossible problem to solve.
Every other system has its own unsolvable problems though so we shouldn’t confuse just adapting one of those to the US for a viable solution. Proposing that we do so oversimplifies the nature of the problem. |
Deathconscious
12.27.19 | kill the health insurance industry, i always say. |
GhostB1rd
12.27.19 | Good that you got your bill down to half, I know there are lots of variations on paying for stuff like urgent care. Sometimes its just the particular location you visit. Many of them imo have gotten better at working with the patients to sort cost but it's certainly not perfect.
Hey shark, still waiting on that citation. |
GhostB1rd
12.27.19 | "Also, those European taxes at least go towards paid-for college and graduate degrees, as well as many other things... America works very hard NOT to invest in its citizens, when doing so would have an actual GDP return"
This is another fantasy. Countries like the UK not only have tuition fees, but also requirements that you have to meet to be admitted.
It ends up being a tax cut for the richer/smarter people and a tax hike for the poor because the poor don't go to college anyway and subsidize the cost for those who do.
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GhostB1rd
12.27.19 | The US sends way to many people to college as it stands. This is because of government guaranteed student loans, so some random person off the street can get into a school with no prospects of repaying the loan (e.g. majoring in gender studies) and the government will back it.
We need way fewer kids going to college and more going into tech schools, trade schools, or just staying with their high school degrees. |
WatchItExplode
12.27.19 | I've encouraged one of my boys to become an electrician and the 1 I worry about electrocuting himself to consider being a plumber or other trade |
GhostB1rd
12.27.19 | Both respectable, high paying jobs. |
GhostB1rd
12.27.19 | And not to mention NEEDED and actually value producing unlike a shit-ton of the majors you can graduate with. |
GhostB1rd
12.27.19 | People in the U.S. don't understand the difference between careers and hobbies. |
Egarran
12.27.19 | That is but one of many things.
Ghost are you a Trump supporter? |
sharkmsc
12.27.19 | One of my best friends is French and a doctor now, and he paid about 500 Euro a year for his medical school tuition. There are tradeoffs for everything (including high taxes funding that education), but there's a reason that, for example, there are so few black doctors in America. Investing in our citizens can be both economically and morally justifiable, but we have these weird bootstrap fantasies instead, that in reality just consist of those with pre-existing opportunities succeeding. We don't create much accessible opportunity at all and it will add up eventually. |
sharkmsc
12.27.19 | Subsidization is the only way you would send the poor to college. We ended up with a system of inherited wealth and opportunity and we call it meritocracy |
Itwasthatwas
12.27.19 | That is one hell of a rabbit hole |
HoopyFrood
12.27.19 | but if students with aptitude werent prevented from studying medicine because they cant afford it how will we maintain the shortage of doctors that makes medicine such a lucrative profession and maintain the argument that giving everyone health insurance will mean even rich will have to occasionally wait for procedures? |
Itwasthatwas
12.27.19 | There is a doctor shortage in Canada even though school is much cheaper than the US. Also if it weren’t lucrative then many people with aptitude aren’t going to do it, unfortunate fact of life |
HoopyFrood
12.27.19 | plenty of people become art historians lol. im sure a slight reduction in lucrativeness wont affect interest too much. |
Itwasthatwas
12.27.19 | those people aren’t high aptitude, and despite being sure you are wrong |
HoopyFrood
12.27.19 | obviously theyre not the target demographic because they chose to study art history instead of premed. and what makes you so confident im wrong? |
JoeTex
12.28.19 | tulsi flexing those ass cheeks |
Egarran
12.28.19 | There's really not a single Trump supporter in here?
Come on, at least the economy is still doing ok. |
oltnabrick
03.28.20 | "at least the economy is still doing ok"
O_O |
zakalwe
03.28.20 | Entire planet is up the swanny point the finger at Trump, Capitalism or old people |
budgie
03.28.20 | "It ends up being a tax cut for the richer/smarter people and a tax hike for the poor because the poor don't go to college anyway and subsidize the cost for those who do."
imagine being this fucking stupid |
GhostB1rd
03.28.20 | Yes, budgie, people in inner cities and rural areas are the ones with tons of student debt. You ignorant fuck. |
GhostB1rd
03.28.20 | I'm gonna initiate a hardline policy against engaging dumb political shit here from now on and have you guys just scream into the void about how the world is beating you down and you're too incapable of handling your own shit. |
Storm In A Teacup
03.28.20 | what in the apocalypse is going on guys!? XD |
Maniac!
03.28.20 | looks like I missed a fun thread |
Storm In A Teacup
03.28.20 | You can tell ghost was serious when he said "you ignorant fuck". XD |
Meridiu5
03.29.20 | Bernie can still win |
oltnabrick
03.29.20 | up the swanny |
zaruyache
03.29.20 | bernie can still win given pa/ny/ohio are still in play and biden's sexual abuse allegations are slowly picking up steam. |
HoopyFrood
03.29.20 | nobody:
ghostb1rd: I'm gonna initiate a hardline policy against engaging dumb political shit here from now on |
Invaderbryan
03.29.20 | Bernie will lose like he always does. |
Invaderbryan
03.29.20 | And democrats have a habit of not caring when it comes to sexual abuse allegations of one of their own. |
Deathconscious
03.29.20 | Yeah, republicans dont have that problem though. |
oltnabrick
03.29.20 | Conservative snowflake ^
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Deathconscious
03.29.20 | damn, that mustve really bothered you. |
Minushuman24
03.29.20 | oh yea not at all |
budgie
03.29.20 | this thread is a fun representation |
oltnabrick
03.29.20 | oh yea not at all
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Deathconscious
03.29.20 | stfu |
oltnabrick
03.29.20 | stfu |
Deathconscious
03.29.20 | Conservative snowflake ^
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oltnabrick
03.29.20 | don't tell me who i am. you are literally a nazi |
Storm In A Teacup
03.30.20 | ol' tits n ass brick |
butt.
03.30.20 | stfu conservative nazis ^ |
ConcubinaryCode
03.30.20 | If you don't support Trump, I don't support your rights. |
oltnabrick
06.23.20 | thoughts? |
GhostB1rd
06.23.20 | They're gonna get him this time. |
Keyblade
06.23.20 | what they trying to get him for now |
GhostB1rd
06.23.20 | He said nigga in 2007. |
bloodshy
06.23.20 | that trump kid is untouchable |
zaruyache
06.23.20 | can't wait for biden to accidentally blow us all up instead of stephen miller doing it on purpose |
GhostB1rd
06.23.20 | Stephen Miller can't even protecc statues yet he's gonna send in the death squads. |
zaruyache
06.23.20 | that's a goofy comment to make. government is letting people take them down bc who really cares. making a call to let the cops stop using kid gloves is pretty easy |
Zorg
06.23.20 | This is almost at 1488 comments. |
Dissonant
06.23.20 | piss thread |
Deathconscious
06.23.20 | Trump supporters are rapists. |
osmark86
06.23.20 | impeached for going on for 9min over walking on a bloody ramp. make it so. |
osmark86
06.23.20 | @americanohno: what in the fuck are you trying to imply here? |
americanohno
06.23.20 | Nicholas cruz: unloved virgin loser who spends all his free time at the emo gazebo. women detest him.
he kills 38 classmates.
now millions of women the world over would love nothing more than to bear his children.
think about it. |
mappyfitforbattle
06.23.20 | Orange man bad |
zakalwe
06.23.20 | Election coming up?
Time to crank up the hysteria factor, shove BLM down everybodies throat and highlight the injustices and disparities that are so prevalent in every walk of life while emphasising the frailties of Trump. He showing signs of Alzheimer’s? Economy gone to ruin, double down.
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mappyfitforbattle
06.23.20 | Orange man BAD |
Ryus
06.23.20 | Get a better job and cope harder |
outliers
06.23.20 | Biden will cleanse the country of racism, coronavirus and police brutality |
Maco097
06.23.20 | The Last Of Us 2 defeated racism already. 2 late Biden. |
Deathconscious
06.23.20 | @mappy agreed |
danielito19
06.23.20 | Who cares about the election either way you still live under the dictatorship of capital |
SitarHero
06.23.20 | Yeah we don't need pesky environmental regulations, or the push for green energy, or stability in bilateral and multilateral international relations, or reliance on science in public health policy, or the protection of rights of minorities and women, or affordable healthcare. |
zakalwe
06.23.20 | You could say you’re going to provide all that and not do it or simply not do it at all.
Who would be the bigger fraud? |
InFlamesWeThrash666
06.23.20 | just work harder bitches |
SitarHero
06.23.20 | "Who would be the bigger fraud?"
You, since you have no idea what you (or I) are talking about. |
zakalwe
06.23.20 | And you clearly do dear leader |
GhostB1rd
06.23.20 | danielito fresh of reading Marx for the 38th time. |
butt.
06.24.20 | All of you dunces missing the most important part. If trump wins he’s putting 1-2 more judges on the bench and will almost certainly repeal DACA. That’s why it’s important to me that doesn’t see another term
Oh and because nothing would please me more than to see him cry like the little bitch he is as secret service drags him down the steps of the White House |
Egarran
06.24.20 | Zak, you generally want to stay away from these debates. You're not helping your cause any. |
Ryus
09.12.20 | I have great empathy, believe it or not. |
