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Anyone from the UK (or beyond) care about the upcoming election? Here are some rof my thoughts (phrased rsomewhat expediently), let me hear yours.
Conservatives: Up until now, I have been in favour of the Conservatives austerity-based
approach to economic recovery, but George Osborne?s promise to cut public spending back to
levels that pre-date the NHS is a bit much for me to stomach ? sure, the economy as a whole
will be in a strong place by the end of the next government, but I think such cuts are
somewhat excessive. My major con against the Tories is the growth of UK poverty, something
that I don?t trust the principle of trickle-down economics under maintained GDP growth to
rectify. I am not as concerned about the decline of the NHS, firstly because of promises of
extra funding that have already made, and also because these people are sufficiently self-
aware to recognise that their credibility depends upon keeping it afloat.
But at the end of the day, they have set us well on the way to economic recovery and I think
that this recovery should be fully realised in the most cohesive way possible, which means
biting the bullet in regards to cuts and poverty; the Conservative proposition is not a pleasant
one, but it is viable and with a clear sense of direction, and the latter is something I cannot
say for either Labour or the Lib Dems (with UKIP and the Greens it becomes an issue in
One of the biggest pros on the Tories? side is their EU policy: I believe that the country needs
to bring the EU issue to a head sooner rather than later and the Tories? promise of attempted
renegotiation and then a referendum if there are still issues seems like the best deal we?re
going to get from any party (for the unsure, Labour, the Greens and the Lib Dems will remain
in the EU unconditionally and UKIP will obviously pull out as quickly as they can).
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Labour: I?m going to give early props for (the image they present of a) significant social
conscience; the country could use their focus on health care and the lower classes. However, I
don?t trust them to fulfil this without putting us back into economic regression and leaving us
back where we were at the end of the Brown years. Labour has proclaimed an excessive focus
on tax as a means of sustaining the economy; mansion tax will fail to bring in enough funds
even to come close to matching NHS spending alone. The tax on bankers? benefits is an
interesting idea, I find it hard to treat this as anything beyond na?ve; I don?t think anyone
could accurately predict how much would come from it.
As for the abolition of the House of Lords, about which I feel somewhat indifferent in itself, I
can imagine the elected Second Chamber that would replace it increasing political stasis and
rendering the system even more bureaucratic, not to mention simply becoming another stage
for the petty conflicting bitchiness that has come to define the House of Commons, but maybe
that's just my cynicism. Ed Miliband is, as goes without saying, a ridiculous figure and quite
unsuitable to represent the country. On the bright side, the more seats Labour win, the less
we have to worry about a SNP presence in Westminster.
UKIP: Not much to say here; they make a lot of valid points about the EU and immigration;
although a concrete figure is not forthcoming, the BBC has estimated that up to 50% of all
British legislation originates in Brussels, immigration does provide a strain on public services
and allows for exploitation of benefits in their current form. Now, I am in favour of
immigration in a controlled, constructive manner that benefits both the immigrant and the
state, so when I heard Nigel Farage suggest that in being able to reject unskilled European
immigrants, we would be able to admit more eligible immigrants from the rest of the world,
whom EU legislation would otherwise make us turn down in favour of Europeans, I almost
smiled. Would I therefore consider voting UKIP? Absolutely not ? this is idealism that will
almost certainly not be successfully realised and probably manifest itself in a xenophobic
policy of isolationism. I think that Farage and most UKIP politicians are often misunderstood,
but that does not stop them from appealing to the nastier, more intolerant side of our society.
UKIP are economically armed with Conservative policy but lacking in the credibility that
ensures the voter that they will deliver on it. On the plus side, I would like to see Farage in
Westminster ? he has a healthy way of keeping other parties on their toes and holding a firm
line against excessive pluralism. In short, UKIP are an unreliable party but Farage is a potent
equalising force and a strong advocate against political stasis.
Liberal Democrats: The coalition has not been good for the Lib Dems; Nick Clegg has shown
himself to be so inconsistent that I find it hard to pin any firm identity on the party, and I?ve
come to see him as the face of bland, spineless modern politics. I don?t believe that the Lib
Dems are a particularly accurate translation of liberal ideology and their failure to support
their own policies (*cough* tuition fees *cough*) has rendered them untrustworthy. Many of
their policies are offered more reliably by over parties (tightening English language checks for
immigrants and stricter border control = Conservatives/UKIP, various ecological policies =
Greens etc.) There?s some nice material in increased free childcare and a proposed Digital Bill
of Rights, which might finally make the internet somewhat sensible, but those aren?t exactly
gamechanging policies. In a stagnant political environment, the Liberals somehow manage to
stand for even less than everyone else.
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Greens: At first, I couldn?t help but concur with popular opinion insofar as the Greens
represent a socially conscious party that offers ?real change?. However, on closer inspection
the party is composed of idealistic, insubstantial drivel that is best consigned to the most
secluded of dream palaces. The Citizens? Income is a nice idea, but economically ridiculous;
despite replacing unemployment benefits, being prepared to pay an entire adult population
(admittedly below an as-yet-unspecified level of income) over ?70 per week is absurd.
Phasing out all factory/battery farming in favour in free-range is a beautiful idea but I can?t
see it feeding a whole country sustainably or affordably. Their policy of limiting secondary
school numbers to 700 is counter-productive and will cause more harm than good for well-
established institutions of significantly higher numbers.
It?s nice that the Greens have given people something to hope for, but their appeal ends there.
Under their government, we would enjoy a few years of social inequality in rapid decline
before a very unpleasant crash. UKIP?s brand of idealism is predominantly dangerous for
others, rather than ourselves, but the Greens are just as bad, if not worse, in reverse.
|List is recent purchases, parties are ranked in order of preference (although this doesn't mean very much after 2), anyone who can work out the reasoning behind why I paired each album with each party gets respect.|
|Also, tl;dr, the Conservatives are heartless but necessary, Labour are attractive but unreliable, UKIP had potential but are not a credible party although Farage does have a healthy impact on the political scene in general, the Lib Dems are a spent force that no longer stand for anything, the Greens support silly idealism.|
|what we need is another war!|
|against everyone you disagree with|
|i dno the dutch or some shit, nah it was a quote from braindead. i'm making a mockery of it all! but rly i might just vote for labour cos even though they are useless they arent total cunts, lesser of two evils. and ukip are a joke|
|I would rather declare war against the Rolling Stone and leave everybody else to keep their opinions.|
|the war against page 3 is a crime, rip|
fuck the sun though in general
|You sly trickster, KILL ;] I can't bear the thought of Miliband becoming the face of the UK, amongst other things, but it's basically a process-of-elimination vote :[|
|Fuck most of our newspapers|
|I remember reading somewhere that there's a good chance that we may end up with political chaos this year due to no one party being able to form a majority/coalition. Personally I'm going to vote for Labour because of their policies regarding the NHS and the mental health act. Also I don't think having some form of idealism in the government is bad thing despite the shark-like nature of politics as that kind of hatred of it is one of the big reasons why our society is so fucking overly cynical and intolerant.|
Basically tl;dr NEXT
|Oh yes, we're headed straight for a hung parliament and imo the two most likely outcomes are Labour/Lib Dem or Tory/UKIP coalitions, with the former slightly more probable...we shall see though. I agree with the idealism point to an extent, but UKIP and the Greens are far past that extent for me.|
|Agreed. The crazy thing is a lot of this could've been avoided if there was at least a concerted effort to actually upgrade our political system, like a couple of years back with that bill the lib dems tried to push through, and now we're going to be feeling the consequences of not doing anything about it. True I think it's all about how much idealism is implemented, if it's the right amount it could work. Honestly it would just be nice to have a political system that's less apathetical on both sides.|
|Oh yeah, the AV had potential, even it would have been pretty inefficient. I find FPTP very frustrating, especially since I find myself pushed towards voting tactically just because of the nature of my constituents and their regional popularity. It would be, and I very much hope to see one someday.|
|True about that AV, it was ineffective but it could've been a good first step. Yeah that's a big problem too fptp just doesn't represent the whole spectrum of views as well as creating an unhealthy political hegemony that's basically lead to the apathetic relationship between politician and voter these days. Proportional representation could be better as though it's more unpredictable at least the votes actually count and could help a lot in restoring some confidence in the voting system. I think the change will happen soon though especially as we're coming to a political climate where it's becoming a necessity just like it was a 100 years ago incidentally.|
|I would agree with proportional voting, but I'm not sure when we'll see anything drafted; the main parties are certainly comfortable with FPTP as their source of power. The apathetic relationship is also the responsibility of individual MPs, and I think some of them do a very good job in engaging with voters, but there's still a lot of room for overall improvement. |
|Your UKIP section is just hilariously ill-informed. The rest I would agree with however.|
|If I vote it'll be green. Probably wouldn't bother if it weren't for them. |
|David Cameron is going to be unemployed soon so that can only be a good thing|
|Your political opinions scream "I'll eat up any bullshit the British media throws at me"|
|LOL nobody votes Green Party so that's that. I don't hate the Tories but I don't like the Tories either so I won't be voting them. I won't be voting for labour because I don't believe in giving money to people who don't work for it, fuck the unemployed by choice. Gonna have to be ukip |
|"LOL nobody votes Green Party so that's that."|
they have more members than both UKIP and the Lib Dems
|You're shitting me? The greens have more members than lib dem? Fml|
|"Your UKIP section is just hilariously ill-informed."|
In what way?
"Your political opinions scream "I'll eat up any bullshit the British media throws at me""
I consider that unfair, considering how much I scruitinise the media and discuss with others. In particularly don't think that my views on either UKIP or the Greens are in line with the general slant the media puts on them, but if you have anything to add to what I've written (expediently) here, I'd be glad to hear it.
"they have more members than both UKIP and the Lib Dems"
True, but fewer constituents (than the Lib Dems defo, not sure about UKIP).
|Yeah, the Greens overtook both of them on membership quite recently.|
|That's ridiculous. I'm not liberal democrat in the slightest but the country wants the greens over ukip? Ridiculous. |
|All these parties (bar the sanctimonious, living if the UK had a population of 28000 individuals with one brain cell Greens) are exactly the same.|
Zak's Socialist Peoples Party is coming in I tell ya!!
|Your views on UKIP equate to the general media ideology that led to their rise in the first place. I.e. blaming immigration and benefits for economic troubles. Think you should be much more suspicious of Nigel Farage than you seem. All politics is image and he's no different. People don't like to hear it but UKIP share a lot of similarities with the right wing/far right/nationalist parties that always seem to spring up in Europe during times of economic hardship.|
I don't think the EU is a particularly big issue either. Not when you compare it to other things that the media hardly ever mentions.
"True, but fewer constituents (than the Lib Dems defo, not sure about UKIP)."
Hard to judge. Most people would expect UKIP to do better but not many people expected the recent surge the Greens have experienced.
|You have my vote Zak |
|aaaand it's time to abandon thread|
|@fish Ah, I get you - let me expand; I can see that my assessment in the list was a bit unclear. I don't |
blame immigration for economic troubles on the whole - I think that the benefits and services issues are
valid ones but that immigration is more help than harm (and that our services need attention regardless). I
do think that integration is a pretty serious social concern, but immigration as an economic one is not. Perhaps you're right about the way I should view Farage, but I still consider him a healthy political force
on the other leaders; I certainly do not trust him, but that goes for the others too. I wouldn't want him as
an executor, but he does make us question aspects of society that other parties are generally complacent
about (i.e. he is right to flag up the impact of multiculturalism, but his way of dealing with it is heavy-
handed to say the least). I think the EU is a fairly big deal, especially in regard to our primary
|Oh crap, I wrote all that just to see you'd abandoned the thread.|
|On the bright side, the more seats Labour win, the less we have to worry about a SNP presence in Westminster.|
|1. Period of Tories to try and repair the damage of overspending Socialists.|
2. Period of overspending Socialists.
3. Go to 1
thats uk politics
They got to cut the scots out of voting on english stuff tho thats just taking the piss
|Farage is that bloke on the train home from the city who is so pompous you find it hard to believe arseholes like that exist.|
Milliband is the fella at school who was a nervous wreck and fucking useless at everything and in retrospect was probably diddled.
Clegg is the bloke who comes from the family we all would have liked, kitchen always smelling of baked goods, family activities and finger painting but when you went round there you always thought it was a bit weird and oppressive.
Cameron is the prick at work who thinks their some form of educated elite cos they got a 2:1 in some bullshit that contributes nothing.
These are the respective 'leaders' of parties whose policies say nothing.
|i dunno much about the parties outside of labour and tory but i'd pick labour between the 2|
i mean wtf do the tories even campaign on? "vote for me and you can pay 300 bucks for a flu shot again. freeeeedom!"
|ive never even heard of the parties in 3 and 5, im familiar with the american green party which is like far left so is the british version of that like, a communist party or some shit? cause even yalls torys are to the left of our democrats|
|"Please don't vote for UKIP."|
Don't worry, I have no intention of doing so. The sputengine screwed up the second question mark.
@zak I laughed; very accurate.
@sonic The Tories' current campaign is basically for more austerity/economic growth, EU renegotiation, boosting employment and small business, and cutting abuse of welfare. 3 and 5 have only really become serious forces over the last two/three years; UKIP is a right-wing eurosceptic party who want to tighten up on immigration majorly and regain legislative independence from the EU (ie leave), your Greens sound pretty similar, and ours aren't quite Communists :P
|I hate to resurrect this thread, but this interview is too good not to share: |
The most contradictory and baffling party in existence and that's saying something!
|"the BBC has estimated that up to 50% of all British legislation originates in Brussels"|
That is such an irrelevant statement given the various forms of legislation, also: seriously? More special privileges within the EU for the U.K.? Yeah, no thanks.
I also think you don't really understand the complexity of immigration, all this "GIVE US AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM LIKE CANADA HURR HURR ALL THESE BENEFIT SCROUNGERS ARE RUINING OUR COUNTRY" is pretty much populist rhetoric and simplistic reductionism at its core.
|Also, individual politicians of certain parties are often more sensible on certain issues than any party-coherent pabulum. (i.e. Cable's criticism of TTIP) |
|I think you've disappeared up your pabulum Wolfy |
|"I also think you don't really understand the complexity of immigration, all this "GIVE US AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM LIKE CANADA HURR HURR ALL THESE BENEFIT SCROUNGERS ARE RUINING OUR COUNTRY" is pretty much populist rhetoric and simplistic reductionism at its core."|
I agree that the benefits issue has been way exaggerated (but is still an issue) - my issues with immigration are primarily integration or lack thereof and secondly drain on public services (including, but not mainly, benefits).
|wolfehorde hording the wolves and bringing the truth.|
the whole scottish independence issue is being reduced to two toddlers screaming at each other over a bar of broken chocolate.
This is in relation to the SNP getting into parliament.
As in regards to the immigration there's an issue but the general populist view of it is generally self-absorbed, delusional bs.
|"I agree that the benefits issue has been way exaggerated (but is still an issue) - my issues with |
immigration are primarily integration or lack thereof and secondly drain on public services (including, but
not mainly, benefits)."
what wolf said still applies to that
|My issues are some individuals cannot recognise that some people through all walks of life and class regardless of opportunity and education are total pond life.|
We live in a take take take, benefit the self society without the first thought to others which includes children. How do you change that one????
Waxing lyrical on policies, the greater good, reason over oppression, humanity and so on means fuck all when some people really are just total cunts.
|'My issues are some individuals cannot recognise that some people through all walks of life and class regardless of opportunity and education are total pond life.|
We live in a take take take, benefit the self society without the first thought to others which includes children.'
People do seem to use that a lot as an excuse to act like wankers to others because in the end, they seem to believe other people are cunts and they deserved to be treated like, which just feeds into the self-obsessed culture. Honestly the problem's a much deeper one that needs to be addressed on some level.
|Thats just it though dude there's no depth to it.|
When you've had your 5th child from the 5th dad and having found a new 'love' start to think of the financial gain of having another child things are fucked.
People have gone so far down the rabbit hole their not questioning simple ethics.
|edited post before that due to numerous grammatical errors.|
True Zak, the government's current answer is only making things worse as it's making people angrier rather than actually encouraging self-awareness.
|"wolfehorde hording the wolves and bringing the truth. the whole scottish independence issue is being reduced to two toddlers screaming at each other over a bar of broken chocolate. This is in relation to the SNP getting into parliament. As in regards to the immigration there's an issue but the general populist view of it is generally self-absorbed, delusional bs."|
The Scottish independence issue cannot be treated as much more than that under the SNP. Ideological separatists are hardly given credit by the SNP, and circumstantial separatists have very little ground to stand on. As a citizen of Scotland, I can say with conviction that I do not want to see my country of residence (I consider myself British) go down the shitter at the hands of a government whose plans are economically unviable and are supported by nationalist trash.
As for immigration, I agree that it can be treated the wrong way very easily, and that it's very important to avoid a xenophobic stance from any political perspective. To clarify further (@wolfe and @fish), I think that the best way to deal with existing issues is reinforcement of public services and improvement of integration (i.e. to deal with it internally). However, I also think that this is somewhat idealistic (particularly integration, which is one of the most complicated issues out there), and that being able to deal with it externally (i.e. through tougher immigration policies) will both facilitate the internal treatment and avoid it being compounded, since the source of the issue is ultimately immigration.