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flalafell 01.17.16	definitely have a strong preference to post-rock-y blackgaze-y stuff but I'm open to expanding my horizons so have at it fine gentlemen
ZippaThaRippa 01.17.16	Wolves in the Throne Room, Two Hunters and Black Cascade
Avagantamos 01.17.16	woods of delolation wolves in the throne room
Hawks 01.17.16	Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse Ulver - Bergtatt Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane Agalloch - Pale Folklore Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters Ash Borer - 2009 Demo
CaimanJesus 01.17.16	Leviathan - Massive Conspiracy Against All Life
Artuma 01.17.16	wittr [1234]
p4p 01.17.16	Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, Filosofem Darkthrone - the unholy trinity Ash Borer - s/t Blut Aus Nord - Memoria Vetusta Trilogy Drudkh - Autumn Aurora Sacramentum - Far Away From The Sun Ulver - Bergtatt
Flugmorph 01.17.16	Get into moonsorrow
ScuroFantasma 01.17.16	Darkthrone Mayhem Emperor Burzum The classic Norwegian stuff ^ is a great place to start, go for their earlier albums first. Carpe Noctem (rules so hard) Ash Borer Arnaut Pavle Erraunt
Alastor 01.17.16	bürzüm
Tunaboy45 01.17.16	Darkthrone Emperor Mayhem Burzum Agalloch
Tunaboy45 01.17.16	oh and Enslaved too
ScuroFantasma 01.17.16	Enslaved [2] Marduk too while we're at it If you're into folky stuff like Panopticon it's worth checking Equilibrium and Finntroll as well
ChoccyPhilly 01.17.16	Check oathbreaker
GhettoHmbrglr 01.17.16	negura bungett - om
InFlamesWeThrash666 01.17.16	Vinterland - Welcome My Last Chapter Rotting Christ - Theogonia (not exactly black metal but you might dig it) Dissection - Storm Of The Light's Bane [2] Immortal - Sons Of Northern Darkness Enslaved - Verterbrae Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja Ulver - Bergtatt [666]
DeadGuy 01.17.16	Dissection bitch
Relinquished 01.17.16	yea def start with the classics, that's step 1
Totengott 01.17.16	This is where I started with BM: Dissection - Storm of The Light's Bane Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse Enslaved - Frost Ulver - Bergtatt Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales Immortal - At The Heart of Winter Darkthrone - A Blaze in The Northern Sky Windir - 1184 You might also want to check these: Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice Rotting Christ - Triarchy of the Lost Lovers I'd also like to mention Agalloch, Moonsorrow, Blut Aus Nord. Pretty accessible.
flalafell 01.17.16	cool thanks a bunch fellas will check all these out
B3nnysBack2 01.17.16	I noticed in your ratings you like some Opeth, so check out Orchid and Morningrise as they're black metal-ish.
Sinternet 01.17.16	altar of plagues are cool go listen
Keyblade 01.17.16	"any recs similar to this stuff would be pretty sweet" "Celtic Frost Bathory Mystifier Darkthrone Beherit" lol
Avagantamos 01.17.16	check a different album by deathspell omega, it will be an easier listen
Hyperion1001 01.17.16	im gone for more than 6 months and you somehow managed to get even more insufferable its actually kind of amazing at this point.
p4p 01.17.16	7 and 2 are definitely BM wtf
enedwaith 01.17.16	"definitely have a strong preference to post-rock-y blackgaze-y stuff " check heretoir's s/t
AnimalsAsSummit 01.17.16	Bergtatt is essential Does the shoegazey black metal mixture perfectly
Deathconscious 01.17.16	Darkspace - Dark Space III dark-cold-void-of-space kind of black metal. Summoning - Oath Bound if a symphonic black metal band had to make the soundtrack for the Lord of the Rings movies. its not really even black metal at all but its influenced by it.
enedwaith 01.17.16	i wonder if oath bound is the best album to start him off with, if he likes post gaze stuff. maybe nightshade forests for post-bm, or stronghold, which most people seem to first fall in love with but yeah, bergtatt comes before everything else imo. greatest album of all times
Deathconscious 01.17.16	"I gave him the essential entry-level bm. Start em out right. There's 0 black metal on this list." dont be dumb.
climactic 01.17.16	beherit entry level bm right
Deathconscious 01.17.16	i really have no idea why Celtic Frost gets the black metal tag, it doesnt make any sense.
romulanrancor 01.17.16	They have a blackened sound
Deathconscious 01.17.16	right, i know thats what people are implying when they call it black metal...your comment isnt really helping me understand how its blackened.
romulanrancor 01.17.16	I'm not really saying it's Black Metal, but I think it has elements of Black Metal. I can't really put my finger on it but they just have a particular sound.
enedwaith 01.17.16	because hellhammer is unquestionably first wave, and at least morbid tales era cf is a continuation in spirit
DeadGuy 01.17.16	Venom and Celtic Frost get all this credibility for black metal. Celtic Frost is way more black metal than Venom. I would consider both thrash in hindsight though
enedwaith 01.17.16	because first wave black metal is an aesthetic, which is also why early mercyful fate is first wave
DeadGuy 01.17.16	Yea i can dig it. I like this discussion with grindcore too. When did fast hardcore transition into grindcore?
Deathconscious 01.17.16	i dont consider Hellhammer, Venom, or Celtic Frost to be black metal. and Mercyful Fate definitely isnt.
enedwaith 01.17.16	they're all first wave black metal, which is just a convenient classification for all the abrasive speed bands that had satanic/black imagery in the early 80s second wave has a more definite sound
Mystletainn 01.17.16	"i dont consider Hellhammer, Venom, or Celtic Frost to be black metal. and Mercyful Fate definitely isnt." Keep living life with a wrong opinion I guess? Ya there's no black metal on this list, agreed.
Deathconscious 01.17.16	"Keep living life with a wrong opinion I guess? Ya there's no black metal on this list, agreed." thats a pretty ironic statement youve got there.
enedwaith 01.17.16	guys we can meet halfway; all the bands in this thread fall under the great umbrella of bm mercyful fate is just as black metal as lantlos, only they're on different ends of the spectrm
TheSpirit 01.17.16	Saying there is no black metal on this list is pretty dumb (Panopticon, Saor) and though the other stuff is some kind of post-black metal hybrid, don't be those dicks who are just like "WOW NO GORGOROTH FUCKING POSER 666!"
Negator 01.17.16	Vordr - II
Mystletainn 01.17.16	So you don't question why Dopamine or Agalloch are on a BM list but question why Celtic Frost is considered BM, makes sense.
TheSpirit 01.17.16	As far as the comments about Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, and first wave black metal, those bands contributed pretty heavily to the visual aesthetics as well as some pretty prominent sonic elements. I tend to not really lump them in as black metal per se, but I don't see an issue them being called first wave. Still I wouldn't consider that brand of the genre to be the truest incarnation of it.
InFlamesWeThrash666 01.17.16	Not kvlt enough!!!111!11
TheSpirit 01.17.16	Also, unsurprisingly nobody has bothered to mention Cradle of Filth, whose earlier albums are perfect for getting into black metal. Also their newest is pretty amazing as well.
enedwaith 01.17.16	well apocalyptic raids, along with deathcrush, is the truest iteration of the genre, there's no questioning that
TheSpirit 01.17.16	I would consider De Mysteriis... Mayhen's truest iteration. I like Deathcrush a lot, but considering what black metal has become and the element it's most known for, Deathcrush doesn't really fit the bill.
TheSpirit 01.17.16	Same story with Apocalyptic Raids. That release is fun as hell though.
hikingmetalpunk 01.17.16	darkthrone[9]
enedwaith 01.17.16	i see your faulty opinion and hereby challenge you to mortal combat
Mystletainn 01.17.16	So Cradle of Filth is a purer form of Black metal than Celtic Frost or Hellhammer. You guys think Bathory is thrash metal too?
TheSpirit 01.17.16	Wow, never said that at all
Deathconscious 01.17.16	its a genre classification, calm down. or, more preferably, fuck off. the conversation was going fine until you came in here.
Mystletainn 01.17.16	As calm as calm can be. The convo is still fine, maybe you took it all too personally or something idk.
DeadGuy 01.17.16	who the fuck is talking about cradle of filth? At least mention Dimmu Borgir before that bullshit lol. And no one was questioning Bathory lmao
TheSpirit 01.17.16	Cradle of Filth is a thousand times better than Dimmu (I'm also a big Dimmu fan as well though.)
enedwaith 01.17.16	"Cradle of Filth is a thousand times better than Dimmu" :/
DeadGuy 01.17.16	You seriously think Cradle Of Filth has released anything better than Enthrone Darkness Triumphant?
TheSpirit 01.17.16	trve facts
Mystletainn 01.17.16	Anyway here are a few recs that helped me get into BM: Bathory - Bathory Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales Darkthrone - A Blaze In The Northern Sky Satryicon - Dark Medieval Times Sarcofago - INRI Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas / Deathcrush
TheSpirit 01.17.16	"You seriously think Cradle Of Filth has released anything better than Enthrone Darkness Triumphant?" Vempire Dusk and Her Embrace Cruelty of the Beast Midian Hammer of the Witches
DeadGuy 01.17.16	fuck Satyricon lol
Mystletainn 01.17.16	Dark Medieval Times is what black metal should sound like.
DeadGuy 01.17.16	naw, you're out of your mind spirit I'll give you dusk and her embrace, but still does not top enthrone
InFlamesWeThrash666 01.17.16	fuck Satyricon lol Their first 3 albums are great
TheSpirit 01.17.16	Satyricon were pretty great tbh
DeadGuy 01.17.16	Well I have to admit black metal is a genre I'm not well versed in lol. I enjoy the discussion though lol
enedwaith 01.17.16	"Dark Medieval Times is what black metal should sound like." [2]
TheSpirit 01.17.16	wait so should black metal sound like Dark Medieval Times or Deathcrush? because they both sound wildly different
enedwaith 01.17.16	man
TheSpirit 01.17.16	;]
ScuroFantasma 01.18.16	"right, i know thats what people are implying when they call it black metal...your comment isnt really helping me understand how its blackened." Because those bands contributed to what eventually became the 'black metal sound' so you've got thrashy/etc. riffs and songwriting that sound almost like they 'could' be bm if they were played in a certain way. Also as TheSpirit mentioned thy were stylistically important too, with all the leather and nails, the satanic or pagan stuff and general darkness of the music. I wouldn't perhaps call all of them 'black metal' but they definitely have the foundations of what later became black metal so in hindsight we can label them as such, at least partially.
Deathconscious 01.18.16	"they definitely have the foundations of what later became black metal" well yeah, im not denying that.
Relinquished 01.18.16	what a puny but important discussion