Butkuiss: Metal Genres That Don't Actually Exist

Butkuiss 10.01.20	Hate all you want, you know it's true.
Calc 10.01.20	3 is ehhhhhhhhhhhhh straight up wrong but I'm surprised you don't have djent. but maybe that fruit hung too low for this advanced list
Butkuiss 10.01.20	Djent is a legitimate genre with at least two distinct sub-styles. It's a hell of a lot more sonically codified than most of the dumb arcane black metal subgenres.
Storm In A Teacup 10.01.20	The Ocean is not power metal lmao
rockandmetaljunkie 10.01.20	You forgot to name a few, like epic metal, alt metal, christian metal, glam metal, post metal I am sure there are more...
robertsona 10.01.20	speed metal I get. But once you go after war metal it’s personal
Butkuiss 10.01.20	Alt metal exists! Glam metal exists! Post-metal exists, although people who refer to it as "atmospheric sludge" deserve a wedgie.
Pikazilla 10.01.20	depressive black metal is dumb af, agreed
Pikazilla 10.01.20	like, take woods of desolation, it's just second wave bm with no dynamic shift in sound, belongs in the trash can
Minushuman24 10.01.20	accurate, perfect list
bludngorevidal 10.01.20	what do we think of the term extreme metal? lazy catchall or useful for grouping together genres w/ harsh vox?
Butkuiss 10.01.20	"Extreme Metal" is probably a useful term in the same way that "90s rock" is.
rockandmetaljunkie 10.01.20	"Alt metal exists! Glam metal exists! Post-metal exists, although people who refer to it as "atmospheric sludge" deserve a wedgie" Maybe i should change my post cause i wasn't very clear. These labels obviously exist, since people are using them for descriptions. That doesn't change the fact that they're totally stupid...
wildinferno2010 10.01.20	Ehhhh subgenres work to help classify music with something specific that they want to hear more of. I guess some are more useful than others, but as long as they describe something adequately they "exist" imo
rockandmetaljunkie 10.01.20	It's just rock n roll lol
Ryus 10.01.20	have u ever heard a non-rock album
ChoccyPhilly 10.01.20	I... agree. I dont see how you can have a genre based on lyrical qualities. Even 'conscious hip hop' is a dumb term to me
budgie 10.01.20	bad thread
rockandmetaljunkie 10.01.20	"although people who refer to it as "atmospheric sludge" deserve a wedgie" Honestly, i like that description much more. But i prefer the term "experimental sludge" tbh
wildinferno2010 10.01.20	Goniloc had a video about this https://youtu.be/HHMk7yelpfs
AtTheGates92 10.01.20	Sure, you could argue that those genres don't exist. You could also argue that the fact that people know exactly what you're talking about when you say "viking metal" also means it exist. Perhaps "genres" isn't the right word to use. Why not... "categories" or something akin to that?
Butkuiss 10.01.20	But I literally don't know whether viking metal refers to Amon Amarth, Bathory, or Moonsorrow : (
LeddSledd 10.02.20	"Progressive metal" isn't a genre? I can see that the term "progressive" gets thrown around a lot and a lot of prog metal bands don't have as many unifying characteristics like the other metal subgenres do, but groups like Leprous, The Ocean, Haken, Cynic, Opeth, Wilderun etc. should have some sort of classification due to their dissimilarity from other bands of their respective genres, more ambitious song structures, and "progressive" tendencies.
LeddSledd 10.02.20	Also djent ain't no genre lmao
MercySeat 10.02.20	I love this so much
Butkuiss 10.02.20	her: he is probably thinking about other girls him: i dont know why entry level music plebs on sputnik music dot com insist on saying djent is a real genre when any enlightened patrician such as myself knows that djent is merely an onomatopoeia for a high gain guitar sound with an aggressive frequency bump at approx 120hz, and that most bands who utilise this guitar tone are either playing a variant of progressive groove metal with ambient tendencies or fourth wave melodic metalcore why won't anyone listen to me
Butkuiss 10.02.20	broke: genres are prescriptive woke: genres are descriptive bespoke: Butkuiss prescribes what is a real genre and what is not
sixdegrees 10.02.20	https://i.imgur.com/FhlvHOX.jpg
Jots 10.02.20	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eAQa4MOGkE
naughtcturnal 10.02.20	bababooey
solrage 10.02.20	I'm with you on most of these except for progressive metal. Most Dream Theater sounds nothing like Helloween, Gamma Ray, Hammerfall, Manowar, etc. To the extent those genres overlap is merely the extent to which most metal overlaps. I'm kinda ambivalent about speed metal as well, which I think of as a middle-ground between thrash and power metal. Whether that deserves its own sub-genre or not is debatable. All that said: arguing genres/labels is stupid in general, so disregard this post/list.
Cygnatti 10.02.20	all of these are real, except maybe 5, 8, and 9
Allergist 10.02.20	I agree with most of these but 3 is definitely real. How is that even a question?
Cygnatti 10.02.20	i wish 3 wasn't real
Allergist 10.02.20	Ha you admit is real! Also i wish your face wasn’t real
Grimlin 10.02.20	Speed metal predates thrash. Thrash was basically just a more aggressive version of speed metal. The war metal term and sound (pretty much) was first used in '87 by Holocausto (and solidified by Blasphemy a couple years later), and easily predates anything labeled as blackend death metal so you're definitely wrong about 1 and 2. Your statement for 3 if just retarded. And for 8, wouldn't it just be grind/grindcore? Pornogrind and goregrind are both pretty much just referring to subject matter.
Deez 10.02.20	Never heard a single person say atmospheric sludge. Ever
el_newg 10.02.20	pirate metal
naughtcturnal 10.02.20	depressive suicidal pirate metal
MillionDead 10.02.20	2 and 3 are wrong. Rest is a bit hit and miss.
wildinferno2010 10.02.20	Depressive suicidal pirate pornogrind
Allergist 10.02.20	Blackened funeral pirate grind is good tho
rockarollacola 10.02.20	#1 is perfection. I can't believe that thought never crossed my mind.
LeddSledd 10.02.20	Everything is correct except 3
sixdegrees 10.02.20	despondent cumstorm- keelhauled with dildos
IronGiant 10.02.20	such a great conversation to have, wish we had more philosophy of music discussions on here. What classifies a genre tag as being more or less legitimate than any other? The degree of accuracy to which its classification sonically diagnoses any sound? What makes a band Progressive Metal vs. Alternative Metal or Post-Metal? Is the nomenclature simply a way to pinpoint certain bands and musical trends along the timeline of music history (such as Grunge or Midwest Emo), allowing us to more. easily track its changes over time? Or is the classification more objective, with sonic criteria that can act as signifiers to identify the family tree of relatives and influences the music draws from? There are so many fascinating conversations imo to be had about music in a meta way, and I'd love to create a discord or forum to more openly and enthusiastically discuss such ideas with any interested, like-minded individuals.
LeddSledd 10.02.20	sputnikmusic.com
Cygnatti 10.02.20	Allergist, just look up, I already said it was real.
Butkuiss 10.02.20	To whoever the smoothbrain upthread was who said that goregrind isn't a real genre: it's all about the pitchshifters and drum machines baybeeeeee
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	good list
Kompys2000 10.02.20	"what people like to think of as the codified genre of "Progressive Metal" is usually just Power Metal In 7/8" my favorite power metal bands are mastodon, tool, and opeth hbu
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	btbam
bloodshy 10.02.20	djent, math, downtempo, blackened all great tags and descriptors, but not real genres. i do feel like progressive- is a legitimate genre addon that defines a new genre, the same as post- does, since it defines how the band plays their music beyond a lyrical concept or a gimmick
porcupinetheater 10.02.20	Feature this
Butkuiss 10.02.20	Implying mastodon are progressive! How roguish! hehe : )
bloodshy 10.02.20	aren't there some stupid genre names for rap that are actually legitimate genres? like west coast and east coast? it's a fucking location for a name, but it's an actual style
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	progressive is a descriptor not a genre and that's the end of that convo
Kompys2000 10.02.20	The only actual genres are pop, folk, and classical, all else is hairsplitting Starting to warm to the idea of "electronic" being a genre but the jury's still out
RogueNine 10.02.20	Deez you should see all the lists here that use atmospheric sludge or atmosludge.
sixdegrees 10.02.20	its an rym tag lol
Kompys2000 10.02.20	All joking aside, I'm always looking for an excuse to post one of my favorite statements on the endeavor of defining art and this seems as appropriate a time as any: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmxIK9p0SNM
Deez 10.02.20	Deez you should see all the lists here that use atmospheric sludge or atmosludge.' Urgh
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	"The only actual genres are pop, folk, and classical, all else is hairsplitting Starting to warm to the idea of "electronic" being a genre but the jury's still out" Lol
sixdegrees 10.02.20	*art music
wildinferno2010 10.02.20	What's the difference between a "genre" and a "descriptor" tho?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	A genre is a noun and a descriptor is an adjective...
Cygnatti 10.02.20	"There is more variation between the composition in two random Rihanna songs than between all black metal albums ever made." - a legendary user, 2015ish or so idr
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	That's iconic
sixdegrees 10.02.20	atavanhalen?
wildinferno2010 10.02.20	So then really there are only 8 genres or something. Pop, rock, jazz, metal, hip hop, etc
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	Yes, umbrella genres, then there are many many sub genres, many of which are distinguished by merely sticking a descriptor in front of the umbrella genre. Psychedelic rock is a (sub) genre Psychedelic on it's own is a descriptor
Kompys2000 10.02.20	"There is more variation between the composition in two random Rihanna songs than between all black metal albums ever made." oh my god I am absolutely stealing that next time I'm talking music with my black metal friends
Lord(e)Po)))ts 10.02.20	Another example Indie rock is a (sub)genre Indie pop is a (sub)genre Indie folk is a (sub)genre Indie is not a genre
Cygnatti 10.02.20	I'm pretty sure it was treeqt, it might have been one of those other users who is also no longer on this site and is sometimes still on rym.
loveisamixtape 10.02.20	sir this is an urban outfitters
Butkuiss 10.02.20	Man I’m going to message Atavanhalen Rn and let him know people here still talk about him : 3
wildinferno2010 10.02.20	@Po)))ts yeah makes sense
aydross121 10.02.20	Lmao all these are actually true tbh
bloodshy 10.02.20	@kompys, good link @potsy, i can get behind that indie sentiment. Although when someone just says "indie," I'm betting indie rock is probably implied. Agreement there?
garas 10.02.20	DSBM is an actual (sub-)genre, and that description gave me cancer... However, big like for your take on wAr MeTaL
Cygnatti 10.02.20	"Although when someone just says "indie," I'm betting indie rock is probably implied. Agreement there?" Use context clues really, like if they're a music junkie like us, probably yes. But with radio listeners, they might just mean indie pop. OR they could mean "independent" as in "underground", which is still a valid descriptor imo. In either case, lots of big name indie acts tend to be both indie rock and indie pop: i.e. Arcade Fire and the countless bands that ripped them off.
Cygnatti 10.02.20	Btw, deathcore and slam metal are fr fr genres.
ReturnToRock 10.02.20	Although the description for 1 is F---ING SPOT ON, I'll have to disagree. Speed metal definitely exists as a genre. Helloween, however, are not it. They were a power metal outfit from the off. A better example would be something like Attacker or Exciter. Also, 'glam metal' just refers to the heavier side of hair metal 9 times out of 10. So it really should be on this list. As should 'desert rock', which is just the traditional/dad rock end of stoner rock. Or how about 'female fronted metal', which can mean anything from Arch Enemy to Nightwish to Walls of Jericho (because those are all female-fronted) but is usually just code for 'symphonic metal that rips off Nightwish/Epica/Within Temptation'?
Butkuiss 10.02.20	Glam metal is the legitimate genre, hair metal doesn’t actually exist. Cheers for the inspo tho : 3
ReturnToRock 10.02.20	I keep wanting to call 'glam metal' 'glam rock', but that is a different genre altogether (btw 'glitter rock' is a fake genre too - it's just glam rock.) Glam metal is mostly just hard rock.
Cygnatti 10.02.20	agreed. very poppy and campy hard rock.
naughtcturnal 10.02.20	progressive atonal power metal'd trap-grind
NeroCorleone 10.02.20	Pornogrind can actually be pretty distinct from goregrind. It usually has more of a groove and has more high-pitched shrieks as opposed to the pitch-shifted lows of goregrind.
bloodshy 10.02.20	I'll be honest, never heard of goregrind, just grindcore. Is it the same thing?
Relinquished 10.02.20	lol 9 made me laugh but there IS a difference
Butkuiss 10.02.20	Bloodshy I bet you couldn’t even tell me the difference between falsegrind and dbeat you coward
bloodshy 10.02.20	Got me there. I'd guess false grind uses false chord screaming though.
Butkuiss 10.02.20	Yep! And goregrind uses gore cord screaming! You goober : 3
LeddSledd 10.03.20	I'm down with Pots' sentiment that anything sub- the 8 or so basic music genres is just a descriptor for the music. Progressive industrial depressive brown baby-fucker metal is a descriptor, while metal is the general genre.
Allergist 10.04.20	I must be honest: my favorite power metal bands are Cynic and Opeth!
aydross121 10.04.20	I think op meant to say that the classic older bands we consider prog are closer to power metal than we think. Stuff like Dream Theater, Queensryche, Fates Warning and Symphony X. Don't think they are saying Tool is pm lol.
Butkuiss 10.18.20	Tool is power metal
Wubs 10.18.20	copper is real. idiots.
ReiniEden 10.18.20	Funny I guess, A for Effort.
SitarHero 10.18.20	The assumption here being that power metal is a genre that exists and not just regular heavy metal played by nerdy kids on ritalin.
bloodshy 10.18.20	arena metal is a something