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Snide 09.27.16	In case the link in description doesn't work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s
Futures 09.27.16	lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I have a TV.
LotusFlower 09.27.16	http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtT_IcYVYAAtCas.jpg debate bingo provided by my friend
Snide 09.27.16	"I have a TV." So do I, I'm streaming the debates via Youtube on said TV.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I have cable. That bingo card is surprisingly even handed.
Judio! 09.27.16	Go Hillary I guess
Polyethylene 09.27.16	Go Hillary I guess [2]
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Gross.
Futures 09.27.16	go corrupt corporate war monger yeah haha wooooo
boolin 09.27.16	watch wwe instead
Futures 09.27.16	alternatively go orange small hand fascist woooooo
Futures 09.27.16	yeah watch monday night football you will want to die less
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I'm gonna watch in hopes that one of them trips live on stage and falls to their death.
bach 09.27.16	what futures said
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Or, in the alternative, that Trump decides to turn it into a bout of mud wrestling come question 3 when he's gotten too bored to talk about politics.
Snake. 09.27.16	i'd rather stab myself in the head with a scalpel, at least that won't do a number on my psychological state unlike watching the debate
ConcubinaryCode 09.27.16	Hilary is pretty bad when she speaks in public and drumpf is an obnoxious blowhard so this should be a clusterfuck. Nice.
timebetweentrains 09.27.16	someone throw a shoe at trump please
Conmaniac 09.27.16	this is gonna be an entertaining shit show
theBoneyKing 09.27.16	Watching now, hype
sempiturtle 09.27.16	Go Hillary I guess [3]
Snide 09.27.16	Waiting for Trump to respond
Deez 09.27.16	hoping Hilary has a fit on stage and dies then Donald runs over to give CPR but his mouth gets stuck and he cant breath and also dies and they both puke on each other then that host goes over and burns the bodies.
ConcubinaryCode 09.27.16	That'd be a highlight. Speaking of someone update this thread if anything fun happens.
Snide 09.27.16	"that's called business, my love" - Trump
sempiturtle 09.27.16	Hillary is kicking Trump's shit in so far.
Polyethylene 09.27.16	his repetitive rambling hurts my soul
Snide 09.27.16	She started off strong, but Trump's starting to kick into gear.
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Trump bringing up NAFTA ouuuuuu. When is he gonna drop that Benghazi bomb tho? You know he's got it loaded in the chamber.
Snide 09.27.16	Yep, now Trump is starting to pounce back up.
Conmaniac 09.27.16	im biased but Hilary is doing p good tbh
Snide 09.27.16	Holy shit, Trump just dashed that website point of hers pretty hard.
Deez 09.27.16	WOW.....America is FUCKED
Conmaniac 09.27.16	^^^^
timebetweentrains 09.27.16	good god what an embarrassment this is
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Hope Hillary kicks the bucket when she wins the election. Trump is gonna cement himself an L in this debate.
sempiturtle 09.27.16	Not sure a single thing Trump has said could stand up to a fact-checker.
Sinternet 09.27.16	reluctantly go hillary let's see whats happenin
Sinternet 09.27.16	that makes me smart fucking lol
supremejelly 09.27.16	damnnnnnnnnnnn
Conmaniac 09.27.16	not paying taxes makes him smart ya
Deez 09.27.16	Both of the ARE idiots
Conmaniac 09.27.16	i might have to turn this off
JeetJeet 09.27.16	“That makes me smart" lmaoo that's the realest thing Trump has ever said.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	this is not a debate, they're just throwing shit at each other that country's fucked up
supremejelly 09.27.16	sweet swipe by Hillary. "that's because you haven't paid any federal taxes"
Sinternet 09.27.16	lmao hillary is killing it
Sinternet 09.27.16	i take advantage of the law
Gyromania 09.27.16	They're both garbage
Sinternet 09.27.16	i dont even like hillary but its clear trump cannot debate at all
Spec 09.27.16	i dunno it sounds like hilary just remembered a speech and is reciting it
heck 09.27.16	Trump sounds like an idiot and Hillary sounds fake, what else is new
OwMySnauze 09.27.16	Trump FTW
Sinternet 09.27.16	i would presume both of them are trying to recite pre-written responses, just one person is doing better than the other
Spec 09.27.16	Trump sounds like an idiot and Hillary sounds fake, what else is new [2] yeah basically
Conmaniac 09.27.16	trump never says anything and it annoys me so much
Frippertronics 09.27.16	where gary at
Conmaniac 09.27.16	he cited stop and frisk during the race portion holy fuck how much can he get away with
Sinternet 09.27.16	didnt really get away with it got called out on it easy
Deez 09.27.16	wheres Isis when you need them?
Futures 09.27.16	gary save us
DrMaximus 09.27.16	love how Trump plugs his buildings every time he mentions a city
Conmaniac 09.27.16	sorry he's gonna get away with it* im too frustrated to watch this tbh
Sinternet 09.27.16	this is only slightly less depressing then watching the brexit votes roll in
Deez 09.27.16	hahaa word sin
Sinternet 09.27.16	honestly i had to get fucking smashed that night to forget the pain
Deez 09.27.16	I was working like i am now contemplating turning to heroin.
Futures 09.27.16	football game is getting pretty good saints gonna bring this back
MarsKid 09.27.16	Keep it real Futures.
Frippertronics 09.27.16	plug sounds mighty good rn tbh
Sinternet 09.27.16	i think trump is the master at answering a different question than has been asked
Sinternet 09.27.16	yeah futures this is awful idk why im still watching
MarsKid 09.27.16	"plug sounds mighty good rn tbh" [2]
Spec 09.27.16	trump's in a hole now
sempiturtle 09.27.16	Trump just got absolutely destroyed the past 5 minutes.
ArizonaIcedOutBoys 09.27.16	both bad but Hilary is more professional, calm, and collected. again, both have bad policies. trump's arguments are pure shite, though.
DrMaximus 09.27.16	"trump's in a hole now" He's always had his head up his ass
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Hillary is a pro-bullshitter and she's in a fight with a guy that can't out-bullshit her. This is crazy lol.
LoLifant 09.27.16	although hillary is obviously more professional, they did about equal in general until that birth certificate thing...let's see if trump can make up for it or otherwise this will be the main thing remembered
Kompys2000 09.27.16	"Trump's in a hole" yeah, his own asshole.
Kompys2000 09.27.16	DrMaximus already kinda made that joke but I couldn't resist.
sempiturtle 09.27.16	I love when he just flat out lies and gets called out on it then just lies even more.
Spec 09.27.16	#seanhannity
Snide 09.27.16	This is about to get nasty
Kompys2000 09.27.16	Trump is constantly whining about how the mainstream media is so mean and unfair, and he owes maybe 80% of his success to mainstream media coverage. He got twice as much free press this election cycle as every other candidate combined.
Polyethylene 09.27.16	let me tell you the best you won't believe it low energy total disaster wrong baloney the biggest the most beautiful, folks
Polyethylene 09.27.16	somebody needs to make a Trump sentence generator, if they haven't already
ArizonaIcedOutBoys 09.27.16	believe me, hilary's emails are obama's fault, mexicans are stealing our jobs, and we shouldn't allow companies to move out of america. sad!
Spec 09.27.16	wrong[73978236]
Polyethylene 09.27.16	fifty t r i l l i o n dollars we're losing to c h i n a
MO 09.27.16	lmao this isn't even a Fucking debate. They're literally pointing fingers doing the ol he said she said bullshit. What a joke
Kompys2000 09.27.16	CHINA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
heck 09.27.16	did you expect anything better?
Futures 09.27.16	kuhn what a guy. this game is going to heat up guys!
Futures 09.27.16	two point conversion! what a game fellas
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Lester Holt got a big ass forehead
ArizonaIcedOutBoys 09.27.16	low energy!
DrMaximus 09.27.16	I think everyone's hitting the bottle about now
Sinternet 09.27.16	well i don't think either candidate 'won' exactly but trump sure came out a lot worse than hillary
Snide 09.27.16	Well that was a complete dumpster fire
LoLifant 09.27.16	thahaha you have my condolence if you really let this guy win...although as an european you can't really be pro Hillary as well since everyone knows she or at least her close staff doesn't give a fuck about Europe and under her the US would continue working against Russia instead focusing on working with them and we would be the first one to suffer from it...prepare for some european refugees guys!
Futures 09.27.16	saints hold to a field goal. getting interesting!
Sinternet 09.27.16	keep up the posi vibes futures bro
Snide 09.27.16	I've said it multiple times, I'm gonna say it again. Let Gary Debate
DirEnRefused 09.27.16	trump got eviscerated
heck 09.27.16	let Jill too
Snide 09.27.16	10% should be the threshold, not 15%. 10% is over 30 million americans. Which Gary eclipsed that amount in basically all states, and neared or went over 15% in some.
Pon 09.27.16	First of all, look at this debate - you look at what's going on - it's a disaster, folks. It's a disaster. Probably the worst debate there's ever been. Believe me, I've done a lot of great debates, you can ask many people, they all say the same thing: I've done debates, it's a beautiful thing. We have a really big problem with this debate, it's not a good debate. You know, back in the day when we did debates, we did them properly but now we have a problem. A tremendous prob-excuse me! Excuse me! WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM! We should never have gone into this-excuse me! We should never have gone into this debate, we've destabilised the debate - it's a disaster. I said - and you can ask anybody - I said this debate should never have gone ahead and now look, look at what's happening. What the hell have we come to? What have we come to? There are people at home watching on their television sets and they're thinking "what is going on"? Well that's the problem, and we're going to fix the problem. This debate has done TREMENDOUS damage and we're going to fix it, believe me.
theBoneyKing 09.27.16	Lol Jac
DirEnRefused 09.27.16	jac if that's your own invention then bravo
Futures 09.27.16	not letting gary in with his numbers is a crime
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"well i don't think either candidate 'won' exactly but trump sure came out a lot worse than hillary" Trump won where it counted and his gameplan was solid. He had one thing on his mind tonight, only one: "White working class voters in swing states." Trump what's the plan tonight? "White working class voters in swing states." Remember the agenda, Donald? "White working class voters in swing states." He stayed on his BS talking points for the choir. Nothing else matters for the electoral college. Nothing else matters for who's getting into the oval office come next year.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	If Hillary loses any one of Wisconsin, Michigan, NH, Penn, Colorado, or Virginia, she loses the race to 270. That's fucking terrifying given that black and Hispanic voters cannot bail her out in any of those.
LoLifant 09.27.16	You folks if you vote Hillary you'll kill Asia and Europe but if you vote Trump you'll kill yourself as well lol
Snide 09.27.16	So vote Gary.
climactic 09.27.16	absolutely disgusting
ExplosiveOranges 09.27.16	Say what you will about Hillary, but Donald's performance was downright embarrassing at several points throughout the debate, especially when he was questioned about why he changed his stance on the birther conspiracy.
Jots 09.27.16	silver lining: new oathbreaker is dece
Deez 09.27.16	Hell yes Johnny
LoLifant 09.27.16	yeah he did okay up to this point, then it went down and didn't go up any more...like seriously guys...couldn't you come up with anyone better than those two? still vote Hillary plz because under her at least we can flee to the US from the mess your government will create in asia and europe...Trump wouldn't let us in lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	My top smh moment for each was: Trump on blacks: "I think that I've developed very very good relationships, over the last little while" Hillary on equal pay: "He thinks women shouldn't get paid the same as men if they don't do the same work."
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"Trump wouldn't let us in lol" Depends. How hot are you?
Snide 09.27.16	"That makes me smart" - Trump debates 2016
Sinternet 09.27.16	my top smh moment for trump was still 'He doesn't pay taxes!' 'that's make me smart'
LoLifant 09.27.16	"How hot are you?" I'm a hetero dude so why does it matter to you?
Snide 09.27.16	"I'm a hetero dude so why does it matter to you?" I think you missed the joke man
Supercoolguy64 09.27.16	poor Lester, man
LoLifant 09.27.16	oh yeah I didn't really follow everything by Trump that accurately but I assume it has something to do with his affinity towards beauty contests?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	If you're a big busted Slovak girl you're in like sheer dresses dawg.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Dunno why he didn't just say "I took a loss that year, so no taxes were owed." Fucking simple cover.
Spec 09.27.16	why are american politics even dumber than ours
Snide 09.27.16	Our country is turning into a dumb sack of bricks.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"turning into" Snide I know you're old enough to member.
Snide 09.27.16	Are comments getting deleted? No-one's really sad anything bad.
LoLifant 09.27.16	Just noticed my 1000th comment was in here...that's sad for sure.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	the Saints lost tonight and you people want to talk about politics
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"why are american politics even dumber than ours" Our brainwashing system is better than yours.
Futures 09.27.16	rip the saints :(
BallsDeep 09.27.16	Pick your poison
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	7-9 7-9 0-3 YOUR TEARS DONT FALL THEY CRASH AROUND YOU
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	what a game
sonictheplumber 09.27.16	Feel the bren
sonictheplumber 09.27.16	The system is fucked We're shit out of luck We're all sitting ducks
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Close your eyes and count to fuck
LoLifant 09.27.16	that makes me smart?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Pats are playing with half a team and they're 3-0 plus Edelman's banging Adriana Lima. Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	vikings tho
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Well the good thing is two of my four teams are 3-0 with the Pats and Broncos and the Chiefs are 2-1. Just those poor saints....
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	dear united states posters, please explain to me what the fuck is wrong with some of you lot?
Futures 09.27.16	trevor simiean tho
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	packers 2-1 with a respectable loss to a hot team, possibly the best in the NFC rn i wouldnt be surprised at a vikings - pats SB
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	You're the ones who set up camp on some frozen wasteland and said "Yeah, this... this looks good."
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	canada, snide
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	@shadow a heavily divided nation with each side either fearing either its majority/leaders/wealth hoarders or fearing the threats outside of the country and putting all emphasis on only that, an extremely self-centered entitled youth, no real understanding of economics or politics in those who are rallied enough to vote, and a name your poison election.. this all doesnt help
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"a heavily divided nation" yes "with either side fearing its majority/leaders/wealth hoarders" passable, but not anywhere as important as talking, debating, negotiating the actual issues "an extremely self-centered entitled youth" no "fearing the threats outside of the country" that's just propaganda framework from media and politicians. normal people don't typically deal with this in their every day lives or once a week or once a month or even usually once a year. everyone is excited to sensationalize without any actual intelligence present. "no real understanding of economics or politics in those who are rallied enough to vote" applicable to many but millions of voters actually do have a decent understanding and fundamentally disagree about things. you won't see it often on American tv too much and that is done on purpose but you can't just flippantly discount the millions of people who are educated.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	watch the young turks on youtube for good American journalism that is full of progressive anchors who talk about real issues and admit their bias towards being generally not shitty human beings like the ones who are in power in politics, wall street, and media. not one channel on any station of American tv represents much more than anything but propaganda and incompetence. sometimes they have competent journalism, but not enough and they should be held accountable for what they've done in contributing to the bullshit that is taking place.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"an extremely self-centered entitled youth" "no" Hahahahahahaha. Yes. "watch the young turks on youtube for good American journalism" Hahahahahahaha. No.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I didn't say unbiased lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"watch the young turks on youtube for good American journalism"
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	You still my boy, Storm. Politics aside.
user 09.27.16	"watch the young turks on youtube for good American journalism" lol
Futures 09.27.16	watch the young turks on youtube for good American journalism bro storm i love you but what the fuck is this
user 09.27.16	storm has always been daft
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I knew what I was starting by saying that haha
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Cenk has the IQ of this opossum that used to consistently fail to get into my trash cans. Then he just gave the fuck up and probably died.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	And that's being generous, btw.
Futures 09.27.16	cenk is a genocide deniar
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I'm not a Crowder fan but that parody he did awhile back was 100% accurate.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	link? i think crowder is funny af
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsVONO75utI
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	lol nice
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	"'with either side fearing its majority/leaders/wealth hoarders" passable, but not anywhere as important as talking, debating, negotiating the actual issues 'fearing the threats outside of the country' that's just propaganda framework from media and politicians." lol that was literally bernie's entire campaign fuel, and it carried over into Hilary's supporters after he dropped just as the dnc was hoping for. a huge amount of democrats only care about dismantling and a huge amount of republicans only care about boarders, and defending one while denying the other as propaganda seems biased af
mifzal 09.27.16	Donkey or Ass
mifzal 09.27.16	Duck or Goose
mifzal 09.27.16	Wasp or bees
Futures 09.27.16	beanie saunder is a sellout
mifzal 09.27.16	^lel, an outsider living in a pond did see that coming
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"lol that was literally bernie's entire campaign fuel, and it carried over into Hilary's supporters after he dropped just as the dnc was hoping for. a huge amount of democrats only care about dismantling and a huge amount of republicans only care about boarders, and defending one while denying the other as propaganda seems biased af" ...Bernie wanted immigration reform to make it easier to come to America. That addresses borders...don't know what boarders are lol? And dismantling what? Fixing the broken systems that republicans and democrats fucked up? Bernie and his supporters are not democrats...so please don't associate us with the centrists and moderate republicans aka democrats.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"Bernie and his supporters are not democrats...so please don't associate us with the centrists and moderate republicans aka democrats." Literally endorsed Hil dawg in person at the DNC.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	"Bernie and his supporters are not democrats..." Communist dogs, my b
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	Also by your logic trump is addressing the problem you have with the top 1% by wanting to cut their income tax
Futures 09.27.16	pinko scum
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"Literally endorsed Hil dawg in person at the DNC" yeah Trump is a fascist and Bernie is doing the right thing by doing anything to make sure he doesn't win. it's bias to use that against him when he has made his reasons very clear and anyone with sense knows what a disaster trump would be. he's going to keep fighting for his ideals like he always has, he actually hasn't even stopped. the presidential election is not the be all end all. there is an entire government and system in conjunction with everything that actually goes on in the world and Bernie works through that system. there are elections votes and petitions for ballots to work on every single year. he's not changing for Hillary and he's fighting for the same things he has always fought for. also I never said anything about taxes so don't assume what my position is on it please
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	If targeting the top 1% isn't something you agree with then bernie is not your dude lmao
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	if that tax thing was even to me I don't know maybe someone else cuz I can't relate to what you said
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	oh it was to me lol
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	But I guess that's ignorant of me to say, hard when everything is twisted similarly towards republicans... heaven forbid it's reciprocated
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	by your logic trump is addressing the problem you have with the top 1% by wanting to cut their income tax
Futures 09.27.16	idk man a corrupt warmongering corporate shill might be even worse tbh
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	If you endorse I can associate. I'm a Republican but I'm not voting for Trump nor encouraging anyone else to. There's the difference.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	[3]
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	Meant to be a 2 but I guess it was loud enough to be a 3
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	yeah both sides lead to war, civilized dictatorship vs fascist dictatorship, too bad bernies side got screwed by the establishment politicians and establishment media.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"civilized dictatorship vs fascist dictatorship" Wtf is this?
Futures 09.27.16	vote for larry johnson
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	Are you for real storm? Bernie got so much positive media attention compared to any other candidate it's unreal. You do realize like 80% of journalism is leftist-socialist nowadays
Futures 09.27.16	vote for jerry johnson
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I wonder how many times Obama and good ol W Bush will vacation together now that they're both former presidents. "On Aug. 8, 2014, Knoller tweeted that Obama had taken 19 vacations totaling 125 days so far while in office. Those numbers have risen a bit due to the Martha’s Vineyard vacation, but that’s still many fewer than George W. Bush’s 65 combined trips to his Texas ranch and his parents’ home in Kennebunkport, Maine, which totaled 407 days at the same point in his presidency."
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I'm still voting down-ticket straight [R].
Futures 09.27.16	vote for mary johnson
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"You do realize like 80% of journalism is leftist-socialist nowadays" bwahahahaha!!! links please
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	one of the most obvious conspiracy theories ever damn
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	do you alex jones rofl
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Storm thinks NBC, CNN, etc. are center-right because of how far left he is.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	80% of journalist who claim to side with a party are democratic, obv most journalists claim independence to ensure their non-bias reporting
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"Storm thinks NBC, CNN, etc. are center-right because of how far left he is" agreed
Futures 09.27.16	vote for harry johnson
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	lol pretty much ghost, working on amassing links
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	It is true that Vox, Kos, Mother Jones, Grist and all those are much further left than major media outlets.
Futures 09.27.16	harry johnson lol damn just realized that
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Which is funny cause to people as extremely far right as Futures and I outlets like CNN are basically draped in red. All about your reference point I suppose.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/05/06/just-7-percent-of-journalists-are-republicans-thats-far-less-than-even-a-decade-ago/ http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/survey-proves-media-bias-journalists-4-times-more-likely-to-vote-democrat/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/8/republicans-media-bias-claims-boosted-by-scarcity-/ http://freebeacon.com/issues/no-white-house-reporter-republican/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States http://www.progressivestoday.com/polls-confirm-journalists-overwhelming-liberal-bias-luckily-voters-recognize-it-and-take-their-news-with-a-grain-of-salt/ http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/what-was-about-media-bias-research-shows-just-7-journalists-identify-republicans
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	thanks for tossing my that slow ball storm with the "FACTS OR IT AINT REAL" attempt
Futures 09.27.16	are libertarians even really far right tho
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	IIRC sociology professors in the U.S. are 49:1 D:R. Garbage field.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"are libertarians even really far right tho" Unless you wanna join up with "left libertarians" like fish then yeah, we are.
mifzal 09.27.16	"80% of journalist who claim to side with a party are democratic" no wonder their asses are lubricated all the lime
Futures 09.27.16	idk i just look at up and down don't like to consider myself far right you know lol
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	you cant break into 2-d coordinates like that D:
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	too much to compute!
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	i'm against liberals so I don't know how this is supposed to prove anything to me that my side is represented. the Washington post can burn down for all I care with their 50 hit pieces on Bernie sanders. also, as far as I'm concerned futures is in the middle and not even really right winged. and Elizabeth Warren is the real person people should call a traitor. she's supposed to be a progressive democrat but she endorsed Clinton against sanders. thanks for fucking nothing warren.
Futures 09.27.16	i shit liberty and freedom
Keyblade 09.27.16	think it's time we built a wall around toronto until we know whats going on
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"to people like Futures and I outlets like CNN are basically draped in red." Take out the axes and it still reads the same way.
Futures 09.27.16	warren is a sellout bum and so is rand paul. v disappointed in him
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	lol play by play: *laughs and argues against point, implies foolishness to the other side for believing it, demands facts* *gets proven wrong* *"so?"*
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Fuck you Key go eat a snow cone on your skates while pretending it's not really that cold.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I have hope for lil' Paul.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	the media covered Bernie because they were forced to because people were voting for him. he was a joke until the first state voted and he lost by only 1%
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	there's no hope for lil paul. ron paul is a god tho
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	wow its like journalists have a responsibility!
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Trump was a joke and he won our fucking nom and now is on track to win the oval.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I can't be as far left as you think if I consider futures middle and ron paul a good guy in politics
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"there's no hope for lil paul." Hush, child.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"wow its like journalists have a responsibility!" as in talk about how crazy and unrealistic he is in order to fight against the will of the people?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	nah lol rand has already been caught politicking too much I'm sure futures hates it haha
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"the will of the people" That's why I like the 2nd Am, fam.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	"as in talk about how crazy and unrealistic he is in order to fight against the will of the people?" just because they report something you dont agree with doesnt mean they arent doing their job correctly. In fact agree with that statement you just made 100%
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Don't hate the playa hate the game. He's just doing what he has to do eventually make some real inroads.
Futures 09.27.16	rand tried to go establishment to get votes. pretty weak. but he'll be back to being a badass after he gets reeelected and go on 18 hour fillibusters hopefully
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	*laughs and argues against point, implies foolishness to the other side for believing it, demands facts* *gets proven wrong* *"so?"* that's your opinion man but you posted links and mentioned sites that are either centrist or not even popular enough to make a huge impact like so many establishment medias have.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	doing what he has to do to make inroads is sexy talk for going establishment to get votes. pretty weak
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Ignoring right/left or other subjective labels it's a proven fact that by party alignment all major television outlets are Democrat save for Fox, which is strongly Republican.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"Ignoring right/left or other subjective labels it's a proven fact that by party alignment all major television outlets are Democrat save for Fox, which is strongly Republican." Agreed
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	As far as I know he never backed down on policy or anything so I don't care much.
Futures 09.27.16	ron paul is a man of principle. dude went to a republican debate and said legalize heroin. i love that man
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Ron Paul definition: True Hero Under God
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	So did Rand.
Futures 09.27.16	dude rand supported the syrian immigration ban. pretty fucking lame. and said some super christian gay shit
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Likes Yelling Fed
Futures 09.27.16	THE GOLD STANDARD
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	That's a dumb idea. "said some super christian gay shit" ?
Futures 09.27.16	end the fed tho
Futures 09.27.16	he was going to evangelical shit and saying gay marriage is disgusting and stuff.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	also I would like to clarify that I have disliked and been infuriated by many a young turks video so please don't think I just listen to them and take what they say as reality. they just happen to be right 60% of the time and that's enough for me to give them my attention.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Dude Ron's worse than Rand on that gay bashing shit. Also, "60%"
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	can we all just take a second to appreciate the fact that clittounge/lambsbread is not vomiting chunks all over this? ah, yes, that's so. damn. nice.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Yeah I was all in for Rand Paul at one point I thought he was going to be his dad's successor but he proved that wrong easily multiple times.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	"or not even popular enough to make a huge impact like so many establishment medias have." the google algorithm begs to differ, considering all of these came up from me just typing 'what percentage of journalists are democratic' lol. but w.e mang you just admitted that almost all TV media outlets are democratic
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	damn that would be rough if clit was here
Keyblade 09.27.16	im watching it right now, did this dude really just endorse Stop & Frisk what the fuck
Snide 09.27.16	Vermin Supreme
Futures 09.27.16	rand is so fucking good on foreign policy and mass spying tho. listening to him speak on that is just music to my ears man
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"but w.e mang you just admitted that almost all TV media outlets are democratic" I've said this myself multiple times before. They are democratic. Yes. That doesn't make them progressive and I was talking about progressives... I've been arguing for progressives and against republicans and democrats this whole time.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"im watching it right now, did this dude really just endorse Stop & Frisk what the fuck" yup cuz he's a fascist and he wants a fascist dictatorship where it's all about money
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"can we all just take a second to appreciate the fact that clittounge/lambsbread is not vomiting chunks all over this?" Don't know who that is but you personally accused me of being an alt of said user multiple times. No clue why.
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	"damn that would be rough if clit was here" would rather just take the site offline rather than read his spewage of entrail putrefaction
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Don't know who that is but you personally accused me of being an alt of said user multiple times. No clue why." damn those are fighting words if u knew who he was bro lol
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	@ghost thats an insult to your character, hes one of the worst users oat
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	"Don't know who that is but you personally accused me of being an alt of said user multiple times. No clue why." because initially your posting style mimicked his in a number of ways, you seem more reasonable though
Futures 09.27.16	can the nra switch their endorsement to harry johnson now please thanks
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Arguing in favor of S&F loses him no relevant votes. Swing state white working class voters are determining this election. Don't know why I have to keep repeating this.
Snide 09.27.16	Can someone explain Stop and Frisk to me in a brief nutshell, I'm not familiar with that original policy, or its ruling as being unconstitutional, what was the gist of it?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	there really is no fun to be had when he enters the argument because it gets so heated and stupid
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	oh i should probably also mention i'm glad bakker is not in here either
Keyblade 09.27.16	"spewage of entrail putrefaction" my new dm song right here
Futures 09.27.16	you profile and police stop them and take their guns
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I need to search you because you're on the street and may be dangerous
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"damn those are fighting words if u knew who he was bro lol" You were actually the one that defended me against the accusation, haha.
Futures 09.27.16	how the nra can support stop and frisk is boggling my mind please reconsider
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	how the nra can support stop and frisk is boggling my mind please reconsider (2)
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	legal gun owners...like...wtf? and it just helps the war on drugs not de-escalate it which is what is needed...meh
Snide 09.27.16	I can't wait to see the next shitstorm where Trump and Clinton butt heads about what education should be like in the US.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	The argument was that it cut murder rate cause IIRC they were talking about ways to lower number in Chi city.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Snide I wrote a paper on that in law school. So many teachers would want to kill me for it, haha.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	anyone like Hawaiian pizza?
Futures 09.27.16	no
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	damn
Snide 09.27.16	@Ghost: What did your paper involve? What perspective did you take on the best educational path for the country?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Futures enjoys PJ's so his pizza opinions are worthless.
Futures 09.27.16	it better be get rid of the department of education and give it back to the states or boi i swear
Snide 09.27.16	it better be get rid of the department of education and give it back to the states or boi i swear [2]
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Johnson has to reach 15% before the last debate...right? I actually have no idea when the last debate is though...election is probably Nov 3rd or something like that...meh
Snide 09.27.16	Let's talk about the abortion known as common core, and how our educational standards continue to fall into the shitter.
Futures 09.27.16	no the cpd is a corrupt bunch of fools. fuck this. gary has no shot when the polls are fixed
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"it better be get rid of the department of education and give it back to the states or boi i swear" link please so I can educate myself on what the actual positions are on this and the way state by state education is done. Education needs to be fixed for sure...My state is ranked 49th in education...
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I said that K-12 education spending has zero correlation to academic achievement and compared a shit ton of international data and intranational data (cities, counties, etc.). Basically, since the marginal cost of education is approximately zero in the modern age, there's no inherent reason spending should be anywhere near what it is now. We've also tripled spending (accounting for inflation even) to no visible progress. Anywhere else that would get you fired and probably sued to oblivion but for the government run school system the alleged solution is "Maybe if we just try throwing even more money at it." As for higher education, government should not be involved in student loan debt. Because anyone can secure a loan you have way too many students majoring in fields where they cannot reasonably expect to earn legit incomes and hence the student loan bubble.
Futures 09.27.16	yeah guaranteed gov loans have got to go. if you've ever been to college you realize half the people shouldn't be there
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"Gary has no shot when the polls are fixed" sorry I even asked I just started smoking and it made me oblivious of the corruption for a minute hahaha
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	My brother just graduated from TU with a masters in history. We're going to Durham, NC, or Cali, or Texas next year and try to be better contributing members of society.
Futures 09.27.16	the cnn poll didn't sample millennials AT ALL. the nbc poll hasn't been updated IN TWO FUCKING MONTHS. they undersample independents. fuck
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	My paper exclusively focused on K-12 spending. No college stuff, no DoE stuff, no voucher stuff, none of that. You gotta focus on one thing unless you're trying to write a book, haha. But obviously I'm in favor of that.
Futures 09.27.16	school choice is huge. johnson and weld praised those and their education rates went up i believe
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	My school district I was in from k to high school has literally transformed into an empire since I left and they were already considered like a huge deal as far as public schools go. It's crazy watching all this construction right past my parents chain link fence. So many millions of dollars voted into construction for education.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Teachers unions are fucking vicious, fam. Rarely in my life have I been more disgusted than seeing a teacher screaming about the abomination of being able to be fired FOR CAUSE.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"So many millions of dollars voted into construction for education." Yeah fancy buildings and shit doesn't help education. At all.
Futures 09.27.16	bro i'm from wisconsin. i know about the fucked teachers unions
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I swear it's a who has the bigger dick contest between them and themselves. STOP IT! YOU ALREADY WON! Not really relatable but I just thought of the blindside movie when dude kept running after leaving the field. lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	http://cdn.archinect.net/images/1200x/zs/zsyb01tkw2p2yqk4.jpg http://assets2.eekarchitects.com/system/gallery_image/data/original/1039.jpg?1313672717 http://www.jamesrbrett.com/WakefieldHS58/Wakefield813.JPG These are the three high schools in my county. Fucking ridiculous. "Do we need a geothermal power well, probably right? Should we have automatic touch sensors in the racing pool (next to a dive pool and whole separate warmup pool)? How about this big ass glass atrium with 60" LED TVs all throughout the lunch room?"
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3763925/New-school-opens-site-Sandy-Hook-shooting-rampage.html They rebuilt the Sandy Hook school for 50 FUCKING MILLION dollars. Because MUH EDUCATIOSHUNZ.
Futures 09.27.16	big building help learn bro
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Water feature calm kids. Kids learn good with Spanish marble walls.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	these are all right next to each other... this building is just for football events for my high school https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/16/36/53/1636537d7a6312649668c746776a0ae6.jpg this building is the gym for our athletes and basketball court for my high school http://www.unionps.org/imgUL/Image/umac/LG_Arena-during-BA-game.jpg http://www.psaokc.com/Portfolio_21_624555924.gif this is the actual high school for only 10th 11th and 12th grade this shows about 1/5 the length from left to right and it goes back almost just as much http://www.craftontull.com/uploads/project-media/26/1000-1465500396-002.jpg?1465500396
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	http://www.unionps.org/imgUL/image/Interior%202014/_DSC8421.jpg our stage for high school performances
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	our tennis building and in the back you can see the building for 9th graders http://www.dewberry.com/images/default-source/news/news/union-tennis.jpg?sfvrsn=2
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I'm gonna burn that shit down.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	do you want to know how much money was spent lmao
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Jesus tittyfucking christ fuck tax dollars y u do this?
Futures 09.27.16
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"do you want to know how much money was spent lmao" Don't tell me or I'll have to drive there and blow it up with a bomb.
brainmelter 09.27.16	I can't believe these two clowns are in the positions they are in and that people collectively put them there. crazy times
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I'm fucking pissed right now.
Futures 09.27.16	my stolen money at work :^)
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"But how iz r chidren lernan tho? Iz they better nw?"
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Storm if you're ever curious why Futures and I hate the government so much this is exactly fucking why. In pictures.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I won't tell you how much all of that cost but I'll tell you how much the city voted to give them AFTER all of that was built.... $27 million fucking dollars also $153 million dollars was given to the rest of the school districts around Tulsa.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	that was this year that we gave that money to them too
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Why aren't you a libertarian? Also, if you see a Tulsa bombing in the news that was me. I did it.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I used to call myself a libertarian when Ron Paul was prevalent.
Futures 09.27.16	what the heck
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I was totally against the funding because I knew what they would be doing with the money. It's insanity.
Futures 09.27.16	bro it's almost like taxation is wrong :^)
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	That's everything though. "Road and bridges" = this type of bullshit. "Defense spending" = this type of bullshit. It's always this type of bullshit.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	most* taxation is wrong FTFY
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	yeah except Tulsa knew what they were voting for :''''''( FANCY SHIT!
Futures 09.27.16	fine. fair tax tho i can kinda jam with tbh
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	:''''''( ^^^ Made me think of the Native American watching trash roll by haha.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	how big was yalls graduation class? mine was 1,300.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	You need military / popo / courts / EPA to protect the little people and I also want a negative income tax, at least transitionally.
Futures 09.27.16	800ish
Futures 09.27.16	fairtax good bro
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	400ish?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I know, yo.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	93% graduation rate for my high school so that's still like 100 people or something
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Trivia: The former CEO of Google went to my high school.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Vanavani or Jawahar Vidiyalayla
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Schmidt.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Sundar Pichai?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	oh former I didn't see that
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Yorktown
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	YHS boi.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Also Katie Couric but fuck her. And Mike Pence's (Trump's VP) kids. I know his son well enough.
Futures 09.27.16	went to school with an Olympic alternate wrestler and espy nominee. nice guy
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Lmao in preschool I became friends with Tress Way the special teams captain for the Redskins. We graduated together as well but we didn't associate by that point.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Aight I'm out. Storm stop watching TYT god bless.
Futures 09.27.16	good thread
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	yea bless yall
zakalwe 09.27.16	It's a fucking miracle neither of em have been shot.
Flugmorph 09.27.16	funny how trump always seems as if he doesnt know what hes talking about.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Sign of a good politician
StrikeOfTheBeast 09.27.16	The best to enjoy the debate is to turn it into a drinking game tbh
Flugmorph 09.27.16	You have fought isis your entire life. - Trump
zakalwe 09.27.16	It was a mistake - Hillary She'll go far.
BallsDeep 09.27.16	Fingers crossed theres been an assasination every time i put on the news tbh
Flugmorph 09.27.16	Hillary on equal pay: "He thinks women shouldn't get paid the same as men if they don't do the same work." that was fucking abyssmal
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	She destroyed him. It was embarrassing to watch.
zakalwe 09.27.16	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J2LKnYrAwjc
Cyberduck 09.27.16	Just saw Flugmorph impersonating Trump on YouTube, what a small world it is. I haven't got through the whole debate yet, but it's already apparent he's getting more shaky by every minute, wouldn't be suprised if it ends with a complete meltdown. Really a shame the GOP presents this as their best offering.
CaliggyJack 09.27.16	God I wish someone would just win instead of these two. Can I have anyone as president other than these two? Fuck this shit.
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	I'm alright with Hillary
zaruyache 09.27.16	Idk how people think Trump won that. Hills looked presidential and kept her cool the entire time; Trump was moving around and fidgeting the whole time, interrupting everyone and talking over his time limit, and the way he spoke sounded audibly strained--many times he started talking faster and his voice pitch went up. I don't much like Clinton but she roasted him pretty well.
BallsDeep 09.27.16	the whole thing is unbelievably juvenile af
Aberf 09.27.16	It's like, whoever wins, we are fucked anyway.
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	"I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate and, yes I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I've prepared to be president." Best quote ever
Sinternet 09.27.16	Oh well at least corbyn won the labour election this week
Snide 09.27.16	I hate Hillary, but she unfortunately won the debate. Now let's just ignore the both of them and BRING IN GARY
Sinternet 09.27.16	like he'd do anthing better lol
Snide 09.27.16	"like he'd do anything better" Him talking to Hillary would be an actual debate, and could get some seriously good points across. Trump dropped the ball hard in dealing with Hil(lie)ary Clinton. Gary had basically 15% almost everywhere.
guitarded_chuck 09.27.16	best reality television experience in recent memory 9/10 god bless america, from canada
zaruyache 09.27.16	have fun throwing your vote away.
Iamthe Nightstars 09.27.16	You might as well be throwing your vote away by voting for Trump or Clinton.
guitarded_chuck 09.27.16	"Hil(lie)ary" LMAO
zaruyache 09.27.16	uh Hills not gonna try to build a +$40 billion border wall, or screw up the supreme court for the next 30 years, or do any of the other nonsense Trump blathers on about. She as a person isn't a great candidate but policy-wise you can't compare her to what Trump wants.
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Hil(lie)ary" and i thought u couldnt get more corny
JeetJeet 09.27.16	@Nightmare yeah pretty much.
guitarded_chuck 09.27.16	if i were the usa id take the moderate for now (Hil(lie)ary) and then start a serious discussion about democratic reform so the next time you don't have to decide between a giant douche vs a turd sandwich
Keyblade 09.27.16	this seems like the perfect opportunity for a 3rd party candidate, but that would just never happen. yall need to do something about that in canada at least the ndp's and co are actually in the race and do win at least at the provincial level
Iamthe Nightstars 09.27.16	So basically vote for Hillary because she's not Trump.
Sinternet 09.27.16	yeah i mean it's not perfect in the uk either with the two main parties usually dominating but other parties do have success and can gain huge ground in a matter of a couple of decades
Keyblade 09.27.16	https://twitter.com/norm/status/780599928481538048/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw lmao
JeetJeet 09.27.16	I was hoping that Norm Kelly tweet would just be him standing next to an American flag with a giant L written on paper. Norm shoulda went in like he went in on Meek.
DirEnRefused 09.27.16	one thing the r/the_donald types are saying that i can't quite disagree with is the debate was slanted against trump, in terms of audience contention and the questions pointed. i think trump would've got slammed regardless because i think the only thing that he wasn't wrong on was the murder rate being on the incline in some city but yeah, i have to say the debate formatting did seem to give hillary far more liberties
Iamthe Nightstars 09.27.16	Trump was wrong on a lot of things. http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Trump is just an idiot. He handicapped himself. You really gotta be a dumb sumbitch to not win a debate against Hillary of all people. Any other person would have crucified her on that stage.
Keyblade 09.27.16	i mean yea i guess that kind of debate would be slanted against a habitual liar with zero decorum
zaruyache 09.27.16	the formatting isn't really an excuse tho imo given that Lester basically let him talk for four minutes uninterrupted when he wanted and nobody ever cut his mic despite constantly going over his time limit.
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	Yeah he said like 30 something wrong things
Typhoon24 09.27.16	nah people can say whatever shit they want about hillary's character and true intentions but she would just about slay anybody on the podium. she's in the lab all day practicing lol..can't sleep on her experience and skills as a politician
Keyblade 09.27.16	she didnt even really need to flex her muscles. all she did was be curt and express herself concisely to win that
johnnyblaze 09.27.16	i mean ya Hillary "won" i guess but she could've destroyed Trump a few times and didnt. her reaction to his comment about isis and her adult life could've been so much better. a better debater would've left Trump in pieces.
emester 09.27.16	My take: Everybody who was gonna vote Trump in the first place wont even budge. I dont see his numbers going down but rather just staying put However, Hillary is gonna usurp the independent votes from Johnson and Jill. She did for me at least
Flugmorph 09.27.16	man obama was such a uniter.
emester 09.27.16	he was full on damage control imo. Guy didnt do enough soon enough. 110% worthy of the presidency imo. I will admit he did get some shit accomplished occasionally
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Lester Holt takes an L too for being a shit moderator, but there's something strangely symbolic about seeing him get ignored while two white people who have no clue on how to run a country duke it out.
EyesWideShut 09.27.16	blame Lester
zaruyache 09.27.16	my guess would be that the Clinton camp was playing it safe bc nobody knew how Trump would do this time. Rather just let him implode than try to take any risks the first time 'round. Debate #2 hopefully the gloves come off, though.
johnnyblaze 09.27.16	agreed, shit moderator. but he was also tasked with moderating the most juvenile debate i've ever seen. pretty pathetic, the state of american politics. shameful.
zaruyache 09.27.16	more juvenile than the GOP debates? Way more shouting matches, pot shots, and talking over each other then than here.
emester 09.27.16	He was so fucking passive. It was like he wasnt even there
johnnyblaze 09.27.16	ya, i'm not so into american politics that i watched the gop debates. i'm just comparing to what i've seen in the past and federal canadian debates.
demigod! 09.27.16	tremendous entertainment
user 09.27.16	"Hil(lie)ary"
Knave 09.27.16	Trump won. Hillary can't come across as human and it will cost her the election.
Futures 09.27.16	basically if you're not on team let gary debate you're dumb lol
Nazzadan 09.27.16	Ah yes, Gary "I'm glad no one got hurt" Johnson.
Snide 09.27.16	Let's hope that October 9th will have Gary up on that stage
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	Lol Gary and Jill are jokes as well
Snide 09.27.16	"Lol Gary and Jill are jokes as well" Don't lump Gary in with the woman who thinks Wifi networks are poisoning kids minds.
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	"What is Aleppo?"
Nazzadan 09.27.16	Yeah, Gary is just sort of stupid and Jill has actual crazy beliefs.
Futures 09.27.16	Ah yes, Gary "I'm glad no one got hurt" Johnson. you dumb dude? he obv meant nobody got killed. like jesus christ you are dense dude.
Knave 09.27.16	Gary "what is Aleppo" Johnson Gary "*sticks tongue out and mumbles*" Johnson I think it's fair to lump them together.
Futures 09.27.16	"What is Aleppo?" it's a city that hillarys foreign policy destroyed
Snide 09.27.16	""What is Aleppo?"" Basically no-one in this thread bar maybe three people knew what Aleppo was until that questioning happened, get off your high horse.
Snide 09.27.16	it's a city that hillarys foreign policy destroyed [2]
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	Yes but nobody in this thread is running for president
Futures 09.27.16	yeah but nobody here destroyed the city through regime change.
Nazzadan 09.27.16	"Basically no-one in this thread bar maybe three people knew what Aleppo was until that questioning happened, get off your high horse." Not really, it's been a pretty central part of the Syrian discussion for like months now. "you dumb dude? he obv meant nobody got killed. like jesus christ you are dense dude." Maybe he should say what he means next time!!
Knave 09.27.16	Hillary will never be able to bridge the Uncanny Valley. It's a real shame, because otherwise she would be a solid candidate. Maybe if she wasn't constantly pumped full of medication she would be able to connect to voters, but then she just might keel over like on 9/11 and she knows that's not really a feasible option to have happen again.
Snide 09.27.16	The only reason Hillary would know about it, is because she's literally been lubing up the middle east without contraception for a while now, the other presidential candidates probably didn't know what Aleppo was either until it was brought up.
Knave 09.27.16	People have gotten really loose with the word "fascist" this election.
Snide 09.27.16	"Not really, it's been a pretty central part of the Syrian discussion for like months now." I had not seen a SINGLE news broadcast talk about Aleppo until it was brought up to Gary, nor a single article mentioning it.
Nazzadan 09.27.16	"maybe you shouldn't be thick as fuck and use your brain" Look man, I know your candidate threw a temper tantrum last night at Twitter HQ but that doesn't mean you have to be rude. I'd rather have Gary than Trump or Hillary but he's kinda an idiot.
Futures 09.27.16	trumps gaffes- too many to count hillarys gaffes- corruption, war mongering, being a corporate puppet garys gaffes- what is alleppo yeah give me that last guy yo
Nazzadan 09.27.16	Snide you don't pay attention to the news then, Aleppo has been in and out of the news for like years now.
Nazzadan 09.27.16	I just googled "CNN Aleppo 2015" and got tons of hits. Same with "Fox Aleppo 2014"
Keyblade 09.27.16	overanalyzing little quirks or verbal missteps is dumb, especially to imply he doesnt deserve a spot to debate with a warhawk and yankee mussolini
Knave 09.27.16	Aleppo is one of the largest cities in Syria and has been a desirous point of conquest for ISIS for awhile now because of its proximity to Turkey. If they had Aleppo, ISIS could refine oil just a few miles from the border of a patron state that purchases oil from them, enabling a fast turnover of cash. It's really an important junction in the Syrian Civil War, and many have been talking about that for about 4-5 years now.
Futures 09.27.16	give me the guy with sensible foreign policy yo
Futures 09.27.16	overanalyzing little quirks or verbal missteps is dumb, especially to imply he doesnt deserve a spot to debate with a warhawk and yankee mussolini thank god someone has common sense.
Snide 09.27.16	Even if I somehow miraculously missed them talking about Aleppo for "years", that doesn't change the fact that compared to the other two candidates, Gary's worst traits are forgetting the name of one city in a foreign country, and some immature name calling, that's it, that's NOTHING compared to our two main runners right now.
Futures 09.27.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0vE5CTTSFI gary johnson verbally annihilating jill stein and two other scrubs
Knave 09.27.16	I think Trump is great. Sharp as a tack and has a real gift for politics. Plus he's hilarious, which is always a draw.
Keyblade 09.27.16	theyve been talking about aleppo for so long now i almost forgot damascus was the syrian capital
Nazzadan 09.27.16	"Even if I somehow miraculously missed them talking about Aleppo for "years", that doesn't change the fact that compared to the other two candidates, Gary's worst traits are forgetting the name of one city in a foreign country, and some immature name calling, that's it, that's NOTHING compared to our two main runners right now." You did, you straight up did miraculously miss one of the hottest news topics of the last few years in the middle east. And I agree Gary of the 4 is the best candidate, but it's pretty weird that you've never heard of Aleppo and even weirder that he didn't know if off the top of his head.
Keyblade 09.27.16	GJ is a sneakerhead which automatically makes him cool ppls. granted it's always the same pair of sneakers, but still
Futures 09.27.16	theyve been talking about aleppo for so long now i almost forgot damascus was the syrian capital fun fact the new york times tried to write a hit piece on him for that and had to correct themselves TWICE
Snide 09.27.16	You'd be surprised at how many people I've talked to about this never heard of Aleppo until the Gary interview.
Nazzadan 09.27.16	Look up ANY new source you want and a given year between 2012 and now and the word "Aleppo" and you will get tons of stories. BBC, Fox, CNN, ABC, MSNBC. So I don't know where you get off saying no ones heard of it until a few months ago and no one was running stories on it lol
Futures 09.27.16	GJ is a sneakerhead which automatically makes him cool ppls. granted it's always the same pair of sneakers, but still can't wait for his limited edition POTUS nikes when he wins
Flugmorph 09.27.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95AR87ciruc yo
user 09.27.16	gary has a lot of middle names
Nazzadan 09.27.16	"You'd be surprised at how many people I've talked to about this never heard of Aleppo until the Gary interview." Then those people literally don't follow the happenings of ISIS or the middle east at all. Nothing wrong with that, they just shouldn't be used as a reference point for if something is in the news or not.
Snide 09.27.16	Still the best caption for a presidential candidate ever, #FeelTheJohnson
Nazzadan 09.27.16	Still the best caption for a presidential candidate ever, #FeelTheJohnson [2]
Snide 09.27.16	"Then those people literally don't follow the happenings of ISIS or the middle east at all. Nothing wrong with that, they just shouldn't be used as a reference point for if something is in the news or not." I've more closely been following the goings on in Turkey and such, my roommate is actually part Turkish, so I've been hearing a bit more about that than most things.
Keyblade 09.27.16	"You'd be surprised at how many people I've talked to about this never heard of Aleppo until the Gary interview." why would that be surprising lol
Knave 09.27.16	Turkey sponsors ISIS and engages in trade with them. Aleppo is perhaps the most important city for ISIS/Turkish relations as it has two major highways that lead from it directly into southern Turkey.
botb 09.27.16	If I was a POC/minority watching this dumpster fire I would wake up every morning and seriously consider shooting myself in the face. I feel for you guys so much more than the white middle class I'm in who's day to day life isn't as on the line
Snide 09.27.16	"why would that be surprising lol" Because most of the people I talk to claim to be politically literate, and didn't hear about that city until the interview.
Knave 09.27.16	Probably because they're Turks who don't like the fact that Erdogan sponsors terrorism with one hand and tries to join the EU with the other so they'd rather not talk about it.
Keyblade 09.27.16	my relatives are bricking it right now, not a good time to be black muslims in the us
Futures 09.27.16	honestly after this tho trump isn't winning lol
Knave 09.27.16	He's already won.
Futures 09.27.16	on what planet?
Sinternet 09.27.16	not in a million years will he, his performance will not improve. all hillary has to do is take the moral high ground to each of his arguments and he's automatically lost
Knave 09.27.16	I disagree. I think the caricature of Trump just needs to be shattered and then he seems like a viable alternative. He wins independents by a margin of like 2:1 and he is making tremendous gains with Republicans and even wins many crossover Democrats. Plus he leads her by roughly 15% in the enthusiasm gap. I think the question is only going to be by how large of a margin he will win. I predict nearing 400 electoral votes. America loves Trump. He pushes her in states like Minnesota and New Jersey. It's unheard of since Reagan.
Futures 09.27.16	hillary a robot with no personality still wins. it's embarrassing
Futures 09.27.16	you know who is really winning independents? gary johnson
Knave 09.27.16	Gary "what is Aleppo" Johnson isn't going to win the crown though. And he pulls more support away from Hillary than Trump. Trump consistently gets a 1-2% bump in polls that have the 4-way as opposed to the head to head of the same voter sample.
Futures 09.27.16	i have seen him pulling more from both ways bro. polling isn't science, it can show you whatever you want to see. polls have been undersampling independent votes because gary does well with them.
Knave 09.27.16	The writing has been on the wall since the middle of August and it was really sealed up when she physically collapsed at the 9/11 memorial on 9/11. If she wants to win, she needs to benchpress two buffalo and rip the head off of a terrorist with her bare hands to make up for that brazen display of weakness. I also think Trump will have a YUGE shy-Tory effect in the booth. It's very unpopular to be "for" Trump, but that taboo is waning by the day, and the arguments against him are often not policy based. Plus he's the candidate lowering taxes, and I know everyone could use some relief after the 39% debacle that is Obama's tax bracket for my family.
Futures 09.27.16	taboo is waning? more like it is getting more taboo
Keyblade 09.27.16	damn being sick is a display of weakness now
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"39% debacle that is Obama's tax bracket for my family." You guys got $$$.
Futures 09.27.16	i'm voting for the guy who climbed mount everest
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"all hillary has to do is take the moral high ground" Fucking hahahahahahahaha.
Knave 09.27.16	I disagree. I live in New York City and there are so many people coming out for Trump. Maybe on the internet his critics are doubling down, but most normal people who go about their lives with work as the primary focus are very open to him because he hasn't said anything completely insane in a few weeks now. He still pokes the media, but it's not "ban all Muslims" caliber. I also think most Americans don't want Muslims in the country after the terrorism that hit us last week, which certainly helps Trump. Yes, being sick to the point of fainting at a memorial to American vulnerability is enough to make any voter question the strength and stamina of any candidate who does so.
Futures 09.27.16	I also think most Americans don't want Muslims in the country after the terrorism that hit us last week, which certainly helps Trump. speak for yourself bigot
Knave 09.27.16	My wife and I make alot of money together, yeah. Enough to be affected drastically by Hillary's estate tax pandering effort.
zakalwe 09.27.16	The problem presents itself in that if Trump is elected, America will be the joke of the world. He would have to deliver the goods and then some in a ridiculously short amount of time just to be acknowledged.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo Yup, as I suspected. He played to the swing state voters all night long and he closed the gap there. He now has a 30-40% chance of winning most of the ones Hillary is leading in and he only needs ONE to get the electoral 270. If the election were held today he's our next POTUS. Y'all better hope Hillary wakes the fuck up and starts playing to the midwest or she's done.
Futures 09.27.16	if hillary is elected america will also be the joke of the world
Futures 09.27.16	gary johnson wins new mexico and throws the election into the house
Knave 09.27.16	I'm just going off of the mood of the country. Bigot is defined as someone who is intolerant of others' beliefs. Technically, the rejection of any Trumpian philosophy could be considered bigoted. I don't really mind one way or the other. I'm a black dude and know plenty of people in Nation of Islam, etc. But things have shifted. Terrorism is one thing when it's 10 years ago. One thing when it's in France. It's another when it's in your backyard. A totally different thing when Hillary's BFF mayor Deblasio doesn't even want to call it terrorism.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Zak we literally don't give a shit about a continent that had us bail them out of two world wars in roughly the past 100 years. Your approval doesn't mean shit to us.
Futures 09.27.16	honestly shut the fuck up knave
Knave 09.27.16	We could align the political alliances toward Russia/statism and smooth things out with China while letting Europe collapse under its decision to admit millions of Sharia supporters. It's an economic and military wash for the United States.
Knave 09.27.16	"honestly shut the fuck up" Good argument.
Futures 09.27.16	ah the classic white genocide argument.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Knave knows.
Futures 09.27.16	lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Forgot Zak's always immigrant bashing haha.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"We're gonna open a kebab..." "FUCK OFF MY BLOCK, BOY!"
Futures 09.27.16	muh demographic changes muh wall
zakalwe 09.27.16	I'm not immigrant bashing. I'm Islam despising and economic migrant disparaging.
Knave 09.27.16	I'm sure it has alot more to do with the rape, child-abduction, and terrorism than any sort of anti-immigrant sentiment broadly.
Gameofmetal 09.27.16	"fascist cheeto" rofl if i take nothing else away from this thread im glad it's this
Futures 09.27.16	white people never do that agreed
Keyblade 09.27.16	zak u look just like the migrants ur bashing so lol. ur not gonna be spared from the purge u wish for
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I'm not open door by any means but I don't think you can blanket screen people, Mexicans, Muslims, or otherwise.
Knave 09.27.16	Well maybe that's why Sharia countries aren't so keen on importing white people then. As I said, I'm a black dude. I don't really have a horse in the race but I understand when two cultures fundamentally clash rather than mix. Secularism and Sharia don't mix.
Keyblade 09.27.16	also pretty sure knave mentioned he was black before which makes this whole white genocide talk hella odd
Sinternet 09.27.16	zak you used to be funny but now you're such a tryhard it's honestly embarrassing
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"all hillary has to do is take the moral high ground"
Keyblade 09.27.16	breaking news, religious ppl support religious laws
Futures 09.27.16	what are you even talking about? why would a white guy want to move to saudi arabia?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"white people never do that agreed" Rates are hella disparate, though. Strict scrutiny is mathematically justified.
Knave 09.27.16	Maybe he's a Muslim.
zakalwe 09.27.16	I love a bit of politics sin. Sorry.
Futures 09.27.16	maybe you're retarded
Keyblade 09.27.16	tfw 60% of republicans want to get rid of the constitution in favour of christianity but naw let's scapegoat the sharia muslamics
Knave 09.27.16	You need to read some Dale Carnegie. Honey/vinegar etc.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Gonna need a source on that bitch, Key.
Knave 09.27.16	I'm a Republican, atheist, Constitutionalist, black, American. I'm pretty active in the Republican party as well and I think generalizations like your 60% figure are just as harmful as painting any group with a broad brush. Stereotyping and prejudice doesn't get anyone anywhere.
Futures 09.27.16	it's almost like all theocracy is bad HOT TAKE
Futures 09.27.16	banning muslims is directing against the constitution. keep swinging bro you'll get one eventually
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Mormons are pretty legit, tbh. Favorite god peeps.
Knave 09.27.16	Actually it's not. Article II gives the President explicit authority to unilaterally close immigration for any real reason. Executive powers like that allow our government to function in times of crisis. Since the "ban" is on those who aren't residing in our borders means that it's actually Constitutional. Despite what kinkylick Khan may wag in your face with his pocket Constitution.
Futures 09.27.16	times of crisis. BAN ALL THE BROWN PEOPLE
Keyblade 09.27.16	ghost peep these bro http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22415.pdf http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/toplines_churchstate_0403042013.pdf a distillation of the first poll if ur too lazy to go through it http://www.politicususa.com/2015/02/25/57-republicans-dismantle-constitution-christianity-national-religion.html the second one doesnt have the partisan data, but 32% of all americans is still ridiculously high
Futures 09.27.16	discrimination of religion against the constitution. you are so dense man
DrMaximus 09.27.16	Funny how trump said the debate was rigged because hilary kept responding to everything he said
Knave 09.27.16	Nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with ideology. White people, black people, Arabic, Hispanic, Asian, etc can all be radical Muslims. Radical Muslims, however, fall under the umbrella of Muslims. It's not a bad plan at all.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Wasn't the constitution based on secularism?
Knave 09.27.16	it was based on Deism.
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with ideology. White people, black people, Arabic, Hispanic, Asian, etc can all be radical Muslims. Radical Muslims, however, fall under the umbrella of Muslims. It's not a bad plan at all." and how do u profile muslims? u know damn well john smith the australian convert isnt going to be banned
Futures 09.27.16	discrimination of religion is against the constitution
Knave 09.27.16	You do a simple background check. Anyone go to a mosque this last year? Well they're not getting in. Anyone wake up at 5am to pray toward Mecca? Not getting in. You would do it the same way you'd gather information on any foreign national seeking entry to the US.
Knave 09.27.16	"discrimination of religion is against the constitution" The Constitution applies to American citizens. I'm assuming you meant to quote the 1st Amendment? Only Americans get Constitutional rights granted by the US government. We're not the policemen of the world, despite what Bush and Obama might have you believe.
Keyblade 09.27.16	smh
zakalwe 09.27.16	The United Caliphate has a lovely ring to it.
Futures 09.27.16	discrimination of religion is against the constitution discrimination of religion is against the constitution discrimination of religion is against the constitution discrimination of religion is against the constitution discrimination of religion is against the constitution
Knave 09.27.16	Constitutional rights apply only to American citizens. The "ban" is on foreign nationals seeking entry to the US.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Key that was pretty weak if establishing a national religion was your counterpoint to sharia law.
AmericanFlagAsh 09.27.16	Why do you want to ban foreign nationals?
Futures 09.27.16	so guantanamo bay is cool then? non american citizens right? no trial. lock them away forever
Knave 09.27.16	It's legal. That's really the only thing in question.
CaliggyJack 09.27.16	Fuck these two. Johnson 2016
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Also that 49% don't believe in evolution number was hella weird and not close to anything I've seen before. Usually the delta b/w Republicans and Democrats who don't believe it is fairly small since nonwhite Dems (black Protestants, nonwhite Hispanic Catholics) still disbelieve evolution at the same rate as Evangelical whites.
Knave 09.27.16	"Why do you want to ban foreign nationals?" Because our labor market is supersaturated. We have no need for them.
Futures 09.27.16	answer this yo so guantanamo bay is cool then? non american citizens right? no trial. lock them away forever
Knave 09.27.16	It's legal. That's really the only thing in question. [2]
Futures 09.27.16	totally not a human rights violation or anything l o l you are deluded
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Key that was pretty weak if establishing a national religion was your counterpoint to sharia law." getting rid of the constitution and establishing christianity as the official religion isnt comparable to "support" for sharia law? put it this way, if muslims were polled and 60% of them said get rid of the constitution and make islam the official religion how would it go down? exactly
Knave 09.27.16	That's a different argument entirely. It's a state-sanctioned piece of land ownership off of the US specifically so that we can violate human rights. That's kind of the point of Guantanamo Bay. In a realpolitik sense, it might be one of our greatest assets. In a "my feelings are hurt as my heart pines for terror suspects" then yeah, it's abhorrent.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Do you want an open doors policy?
Futures 09.27.16	key let's face it sharia law is a bit worse
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"getting rid of the constitution" Think this is where we are different. I saw it as a cutout with the Constitution otherwise being intact. Maybe I glanced over too quickly?
Futures 09.27.16	In a realpolitik sense, it might be one of our greatest assets. In a realpolitik sense, it might be one of our greatest assets. In a realpolitik sense, it might be one of our greatest assets. In a realpolitik sense, it might be one of our greatest assets. can't believe what i am reading
Knave 09.27.16	It's not been kept around because it's cheap to maintain, just put it that way.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	A national religion doesn't mean you have to practice it, just means it's official. Like a national bird or language. It's against the Constitution to have one but that doesn't mean they want Christian law (whatever that is) imposed on everyone, I don't think.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Yeah. Speak like that in certain areas of Pakistan and see where it gets you.
Sinternet 09.27.16	guantanamo bay is an abherration how is it still active
Knave 09.27.16	Yeah, but what Keyblade is saying is that having a national religion is inherently unconstitutional, which is true. It would be a rejection of the Constitution. Once you start selectively interpreting what is guaranteed and what is assured, none of it seems to mean much. This would definitely violate that ethic.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"key let's face it sharia law is ∞* worse"
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"It's against the Constitution to have one" No shit, Knave.
Futures 09.27.16	lol
Keyblade 09.27.16	ghost, if u peep the second poll there's a question about getting rid of the constitution iirc and it's around the same percentage as the one that asks would u make christianity the official religion
Knave 09.27.16	"guantanamo bay is an abherration how is it still active" Because without it everyone would be granted due process. Having the fear of indefinite detention in a torture-camp is really terrifying and acts as a huge deterrent for independent cells to act against the US government. As I said, it's more of a deterrent than defense. It's a chance for the US to flex like Russia, China, Turkey, Iran, and North Korea do. Until they assure that Americans won't be interned in a gulag of sorts, then we need it. Like with MAD in a nuclear sense. We're not going to be the fools to let our guard down first. It's so expensive, and it's a huge violation of human rights, but it's our way to put our own little tether of terror into global consciousness. Without that, the US is mechanical in its legality. In a realpolitik sense, it's one of our greatest assets we have.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Evangelicals are such a fucking embarrassment to the GOP. Backwater bumfuck slackjawed pieces of shit.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Bigot
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	"Because without it everyone would be granted due process." omg that would be atrocious!
Futures 09.27.16	Because without it everyone would be granted due process. oh no giving people human rights! As I said, it's more of a deterrent than defense. do you read what you type. is the death penalty a deterrent? if you answer yes you are retarded
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Gladly. Against all religious people who want to impose on others.
Knave 09.27.16	So I'm Russia. I know that any nationals that want to leak into the US and bring down a power grid on the west coast in order to disable a nuclear defense system would have to go through the American legal system, and worst case scenario they end up on death row. Or, they could be sent to Guantanamo Bay and tortured for information until they give it up. Which one seems like more of a deterrent against that type of behavior to you?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"is the death penalty a deterrent" - This is a difficult question given its actual use rate. No real data exists with proper controls to say either way.
Keyblade 09.27.16	"key let's face it sharia law is a bit worse" ay i mean that's a matter of opinion and that's cool. muslims simply support sharia law just like any other religious person would support laws based on their religion. i dont think that's unreasonable regardless of how u feel about said laws one thing that's important to note is that muslims are to respect the laws of the land they live in. in other words, they may support sharia but if they live in a country with a different set of laws then that's it. which is why it's really funny (and scary) that that's somehow used to imply that they're lowkey trying to instate it when they have a specific religious mandate not to also the funny thing about the polls that are usually cited of muslims is that they always qualify "...in countries where islam is the dominant religion". how incredibly ridiculous is it that that's used as a stick to beat muslims with. "would u like to have sharia law in countries where islam is the dominant religion?" "well yes" "SEE! THE MUSLAMICS ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER WITH THEIR EVIL SHARIA LAW"
Futures 09.27.16	is the death penalty a deterrent? please answer
Knave 09.27.16	I gotta go to work! Good talking to you all and good luck in the Trump Administration.
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Evangelicals are such a fucking embarrassment to the GOP. Backwater bumfuck slackjawed pieces of shit." the weird thing is, a worrying amount of democrats also answered positively
Knave 09.27.16	Yeah it is a deterrent, when used expeditiously. In the US, it's basically a life sentence with a glorified ending.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Key --> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sharia-courts-in-uk-face-government-probe-over-treatment-of-women-a7049826.html
botb 09.27.16	futures you need to read up on gary johnson some more. when i was younger i was under the false impression that libertarianism wasn't a complete shit party too but gary johnson is just as much an unprepared hack as the rest of them.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	knave, do you have any knowledge of international law (or law in general) and human rights? cause all the bullshit you're writting sounds like a 5yo's excuse to be an asshole: "we gotta be douches cause if we don't do it, other countries will do it to us or even worse, we may look weak and not as the world power that pretty much is dominating the earth!" Stop acting like your country has the right to do everything they want with the rest of the world lol
Futures 09.27.16	Yeah it is a deterrent, when used expeditiously. In the US, it's basically a life sentence with a glorified ending. lol fucking lol
Futures 09.27.16	futures you need to read up on gary johnson some more. when i was younger i was under the false impression that libertarianism wasn't a complete shit party too but gary johnson is just as much an unprepared hack as the rest of them. i've been a libertarian since 2012. don't lecture me on anything. i'll support whoever the fuck i want
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"2012" -- Awwww, you just a wittle baby haha.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Stoning adulterous wives is fair fucks.
Knave 09.27.16	MrSirLordGentleman I'm actually a lawyer specializing in immigration law. It's my job to know about international law and human rights. I know enough that anyone on the UN Security Council is basically exempt from anything you would cite because the balance of power is such that if one domino falls then we denigrate into world war, which, if you wouldn't believe it, would be the first priority of any government with real assets to protect, security-wise. Realpolitik always hedges on security. It's the reason we all have nuclear weapons despite the fact that if one goes off the world could very definitely end.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"despite the fact that if one goes off the world could very definitely end." Not how nukes work, brah.
Futures 09.27.16	"2012" -- Awwww, you just a wittle baby haha. yeah ron paul woke me up. i'm almost 22. how old are you?
Knave 09.27.16	Totally how nukes work. All 5 nations on the UN Sec Council have 2nd strike capability. After 9 continental strikes we denigrate into nuclear winter and plant life ceases to exist. That could happen in a matter of days if nobody blinks.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	25 come February.
bakkermaarten007 09.27.16	Americans should vote Gary Johnsson. Trump lost whatever credbility he had left in this debate. Hillary did better, but you know she's just saying what she knows will work and do nothing after getting elected, instead of catering to her financers and lobbyists.
Knave 09.27.16	Really though, I need to go to work. I'd love to stay and chat. This has been a blast.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I don't give a fuck what any law is, if it violates human rights abolish that law.
Keyblade 09.27.16	damn ghost u act like ur some kinda geezer, ur a year younger than me lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"if nobody blinks"
Futures 09.27.16	for real lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Not sure what geezers jam Converge and Dillinger like I do. Meant cause 2012 is just four years ago and I've been libertarian for close to a decade.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	ghost has been influenced by many who are older than him so he is able to talk like he is older because he's repeating someone else's opinion sorry ghost I'm not being serious but it seemed like a good opening for a stab at ya lol
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	converge is a shit band disagree or disagree I know you can't
Futures 09.27.16	i know. i just didn't care about politics until ron paul man
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Nah I've just been in the game from a younger age.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"converge is a shit band disagree or disagree I know you can't" Square up, pussy.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	lmao
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	as a lawyer too I can say that the fact of "permanent members of the security council" is the problem in first place. The main critic to international law is its lack of cohersitive power or any real hability to make countries accomplish their resolutions International Law will never work as long as you have 5 countries with a literal privilege of doing whatever they want (or veto whatever they want to) without anyone overseeing their actions If you think it is ok for a succesful international community to work with permanent leaders that only look towards their own interests and with unlimited power as there are no eventual sanctions to what they do then you gotta problem dude You're leaving all of the other countries in the world in the hands of around 5 governments that clearly have no interest over them at all.
Futures 09.27.16	we should ignore the troll tbh
Knave 09.27.16	But that's how it is right now, like it or not.
Spec 09.27.16	never thought a lawyer would use sputnik
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I can't have a lil fun without being called a troll omgarsh
JeetJeet 09.27.16	“Because without it everyone would be granted due process" Knave you must be out your fuckin mind if you're black and typing that with a straight face.
Keyblade 09.27.16	if u ban all muslims from coming in, how long until we follow the logical course and "do something" about the ones that are already there? it's not like our boy trump has advocated for a database or anything luckily
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"never thought a lawyer would use sputnik" At least three of us IIT alone.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"At least three of us IIT alone." Now I'm interested.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Intelligence In Thread???
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	in this thread typo
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Knave you must be out your fuckin mind if you're black and typing that with a straight face." what was that corny quote about "they came for the socialists, then they came for me" again? this is one of those times where it applies
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	nah that's ITT hehe
Futures 09.27.16	this is like the red scare and knave is joseph mccarthy
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Better question, why does "corn" have such prominence in black insults? Cornball and corny all over the place these days.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	"But that's how it is right now, like it or not." So you're admitting the US can do whatever they want in the world without any remorse yet you try to justify Trump's politics because now OTHER countries/organizations may do whatever they want to the US without remorse? The US has done whatever they want to with the world for years now but now they feel they could be abused? Law, specially international law cannot evolve with a thinking like "that's how things are"
Knave 09.27.16	That's The Hangman. I'm an American. I'll be granted due process no matter what I do, unless I'm in Yemen and targeted by a drone strike. Due process for foreign aggressors is a totally different story, legally speaking.
Knave 09.27.16	I'm not paid to evolve the law, just manipulate it to benefit my clients.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Different than morally/ethically trying to justify it. As you damn well know.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	don't you want to help make the world a better place instead of only doing your job?
Knave 09.27.16	Absolutely. I never said it was ethically justifiable. It's really not.
Knave 09.27.16	No, I make bank. My world is a better place as a result of it.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	/thread
StarlessCore 09.27.16	ur all a bunch of libs and sinternet is the ring leader tbh
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"Better question, why does "corn" have such prominence in black insults? Cornball and corny all over the place these days." probably something just better left alone
Knave 09.27.16	lol srsly. Just take care of what's in front of you. That's how I've lived and it's served me well so far.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Storm you are so sensitive hahahaha Key doesn't need you protecting him.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"ur all a bunch of libs and sinternet is the ring leader tbh" sinternet is not even part of these threads
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	"Due process for foreign aggressors is a totally different story, legally speaking" if you don't believe in human rights yeah "I'm not paid to evolve the law, just manipulate it to benefit my clients." that's exactly why people think we lawyers are bastards. A thinking like that really makes me feel embarrased of my work
Knave 09.27.16	You should be. You may be new to the profession, but it will take your soul eventually.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	oh lol I'm not protecting key, why do you think that lol, I was outside of sputnikland when I said that and thinking in general that there are more things worth wondering about, but alas it was probably just a random thought you had and posted.
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Knave did it take your black card also?
Keyblade 09.27.16	"Better question, why does "corn" have such prominence in black insults? Cornball and corny all over the place these days." no idea lol. could be bcuz it's a shit magnet
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	It wasn't random it was cause he used corny twice back-to-back and I just find it funny.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	oh I see, I didn't read his comments at all
Knave 09.27.16	"Knave did it take your black card also?" Doing well in school did that to me long ago. The black community is quick to turn on its own when they don't make money in either sports/music. Mine did at least.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Saw someone call Don Lemon a "cornball ass nigga" live on air once and it was glorious.
Keyblade 09.27.16	im reading the associate by john grisham again and one of the themes is that young lawyers all start out with wide eyed dreams of trying to make the world a better place but sooner or later cave in to corporate pressure and the money
Futures 09.27.16	highly doubt this guy is black lol
Knave 09.27.16	That's sounds about right. Jim Grushman sounds like an insightful fella.
Futures 09.27.16	Saw someone call Don Lemon a "cornball ass nigga" live on air once and it was glorious. don lemon hammered at that new years party tho what a man
Knave 09.27.16	"highly doubt this guy is black lol" that's kind of what I'm talking about.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	@key we are all different, not everyone let's their minds be fooled by stuff like money or self-interest, though I gotta admit it applies to most of the guys in my profession, I prefer to remain myself as a "dreamer" even if it makes my professional path more difficult. I prefer that over being a sellout
Keyblade 09.27.16	did i really use it back to back lol "Saw someone call Don Lemon a "cornball ass nigga" live on air once and it was glorious." lol nice, he's def high in maize content
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Saw someone call Don Lemon a "cornball ass nigga" live on air once and it was glorious. omg hahahaha
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I agree that's not fair. Knave, take a selfie of your arm with a post-it on it saying "Motherfuck Futures he's a bitch."
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Knave you supporting the same tactics that were used against your own fellow brothers in the past to further systematically fuck over people is you turning on not only your own, but turning on the simple idea of logic.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Just control-f'ed it and it wasn't literally back-to-back because the snide one was a little higher up itt.
Futures 09.27.16	lol
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Ted Cruz failed to help impeach Clinton. that's funny
Keyblade 09.27.16	oh true. snide is the ultimate cornball tho so that's not fair seriously, Hil(lie)ary tho
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Even I mighta had to bust out some corn for that one if nobody else beat me to it. More like Killary, tho, amirite?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	control f's Hillary 51 - Trump 90 see even sputnik is giving all this free attention to trump lol
Knave 09.27.16	I reject that "my people" thing. America has been very good to me. I consider Americans my "people" of all colors and creeds. You're nice to me, I'm nice to you. Simple as that. I grew up in NJ where we had a mixed community and some of my friends from HS and such got envious of my ability to get into good colleges when they went to community college or just worked right out of school and stagnated. They don't talk to me much anymore. That's when I revoked my own black card and stopped with all of that hindering thought because it does nothing to advantage my life personally. My wife is black. My kid is black. I'm black. I'm not going to sit here and let it define me, because I have so much more going for me to let something as superficial as skin color. I'd rather be "American Lawyer" than "black guy" if that makes any sense.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	oh well when we start using codenames for her my experiment blows up in my face, fuck you guys
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	social/racial structures suck so much
Futures 09.27.16	i despise hillary clinton more than any politician ever if i'm being honest
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Hill dawg.
Knave 09.27.16	No doubt you feel it though in everyday life. I've been pulled over alot more than most, but usually the police are super nice to me because of that good ol' JD that they seem to fear so much. I've also been fortunate enough to grow up in diverse communities where people are pretty accepting, so I never had to encounter that hillbilly/KKK/old school racism element that I KNOW still pervades some areas of this country.
JeetJeet 09.27.16	Knave I didn't ask for your life story dude lol
Knave 09.27.16	Well there it is. Take it for what it is. It's not as interesting as a John Grisham book, I'm sure.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	i despise hillary clinton more than any politician ever if i'm being honest
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	and yet somehow she's better than trump
Futures 09.27.16	dead even. gun to my head i let it go off
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	yeah...maybe it is dead even but climate change is my litmus test
Sinternet 09.27.16	can we just nuke america to oblivion and have done with it
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	"can we just nuke america to oblivion and have done with it" [2]
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Wow fuck both of you kindly.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"Are you pro nuclear power, y/n? is my litmus test" Anything else said on CC is immaterial.
Futures 09.27.16	you live in a 3rd world country fedora man. take a hike
Snide 09.27.16	"oh true. snide is the ultimate cornball tho so that's not fair seriously, Hil(lie)ary tho" Hey, I thought it was an accurate descriptor for Hillary. Besides, for every time she's switched a policy position over her career, her husband has gone and done fumbly bumblies with an intern.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"Are you pro nuclear power, y/n? is my litmus test" Anything else said on CC is immaterial. what so you want to get rid of nuclear energy you are saying?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	or you want it to safely dominate?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Bill Clinton accidentally came out pro TPP this last week lmao
Futures 09.27.16	nuclear energy is the future. cheap and extremely eco friendly.
MrSirLordGentleman 09.27.16	TPP is shit tho gotta give the old donnie that
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	If you are pro nuclear power, you are A+ on climate. If you are anti nuclear power, you get an F on climate. 100%. Nothing else you say matters. If you say "It's a hoax made by the Chinese" but you're pro nuclear R&D, you get an A+ on climate. If you say "It's the biggest threat to the world and we need to invest heavily in clean, renewable energy and cut fossil fuel use" but you're anti nuclear, you get an F on climate. Jill Stein gets an F on climate. The fucking green party gets an F on climate. Ultimate irony.
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	SWILL OF THE KNAVES SLOP FOR THE HERD
Sinternet 09.27.16	nuclear power is not the only issue you should consider on climate change lol yes it is extremely useful and at the moment for many countries it is the best option to create massive amounts of energy that wind/solar/hydro cannot do, but still more renewable and less damaging wind and solar has to be above that on the hierarchy. It essentially provides a stop-gap before we fully renewable systems can be researched better, and so is a good idea for the present and foreseeable future, but we still have to look into the technology of the far future and plan for nuclear to somewhen be obsolete. As it stands i'm fairly passionae about making nuclear energy happen in the UK, but as long as we can continue to research greener methods and don't ignore wind and solar.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	You need nuclear power for stuff like hydrogen production right? Can't do it without nuclear fission/fusion? Don't really know much about it, but I'm pretty sure the world isn't ready to just drop nuclear power, but if we built up other energy systems and researched then maybe we don't need it in the future??? As far as I know there's a million other things to do to fight climate change and not worry about nuclear power. Not really educated on nuclear power so please don't take this as anything more than me trying to learn.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	and now sinternet is here. oh my
ShadowRemains 09.27.16	fusion ftw this needs to happen in the next couple of decades
Sinternet 09.27.16	i've been here somewhat this whole thread?
zakalwe 09.27.16	Fuck the vote. New Jimmy Eat World and Taking Back Sunday make it all worth while.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Sinternet is wrong. Nuclear is all that matters. Shadow knows what's up. Fusion will not "somewhen be obsolete" for our energy needs. Ever.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"i've been here somewhat this whole thread?" yeah you were on when the debate happened but that's p much it besides saying nuke America haha
hobblepot 09.27.16	I urge all of you Americans to vote Hillary, she really is the better of two evils. If you vote Trump, you're cutting off your own dick and fucking yourself in the mouth with it
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	music > news
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	find it hard to believe that no one here likes hawaiian pizza
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	fracking really needs to stop. we never had earthquakes at all and now every building is literally cracking apart here.
Futures 09.27.16	I urge all of you Americans to vote Hillary, she really is the better of two evils. If you vote Trump, you're cutting off your own dick and fucking yourself in the mouth with it i urge you to fuck off
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	no one here likes Hawaiian pizza (pie times pie times pie)
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	I feel as though you never tried it, and that you built this wall around liking it, convincing yourself that its a combination that cant be good so when the day finally comes when you try hawaiian pizza, you've already written the passage way in the brain to not like it
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Oddly fracking has also been a godsend for reducing our CO2 emissions. https://energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/shale-co2-reduction.jpg Score another one for the green party.
DrMaximus 09.27.16	Lester for potus
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Lester for potus fuck off with that bullshit
Keyblade 09.27.16	hawaiian's cool, had one yesterday. i gotta take most of the pineapples out tho
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	someone said to me last night "there was three people running for president in the debate, lester whatever his last name is" and I'm still ignoring the thought process it takes to even joke about this
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	So ham pizza?
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	yeah keyblade doesn't like Hawaiian pizza either sorry man
Keyblade 09.27.16	it's a good concept but just poor execution. having a pineapple with every bite is just too sweet for a pizza
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	@key word its the effort that counts.. the pineapple mixes really well the the sauce, brings out the sweetness of the tomato while not being too overbearing cause its countered by the ham
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	oh yeah if its on every bite thats a bit much... its gotta be spread out nicely like maybe 5-6 chunks a slice, u definitely want more ham
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Pineapple is better in desserts or paired with certain fish.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I'm about to break some of ya'lls brains but pizza is the best thing ever tomato sauce is the worst thing ever
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I like adding pineapple to some cocktails but that's it.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	I like cheese heavy pies yeah. Still white ones aren't as good.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	"(pineapple is good) paired with certain fish" this is fact
zakalwe 09.27.16	Pineapple Rings. Tinned Fruit. Fucking awful.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	pineapples are great zak canned or not
zakalwe 09.27.16	Jellied fruits. Stuff of nightmares.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	http://dashofcurry.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/img_1916.jpg Just remembered this (should be identifiable by anyone mid-Atlantic region) actually has fairly high sauce ratio and is fucking delicious so maybe it's just that some tomato sauce isn't done well.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	'Jellied fruits. Stuff of nightmares.' yea that I can agree with
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	looks bomb ghost
zakalwe 09.27.16	http://dashofcurry.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/img_1916.jpg What the fuck is that waste of time?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Zak you wouldn't dare. This is equivalent to you shitting on TDAGARIM.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	you cant waste time cooking bro, all the effort in the process makes it taste better, even the aesthetics
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	cooking is one of my favorite things to do, spend at least an hour a day doing it lol
zakalwe 09.27.16	I'm a dab hand at a fry up but the washing up kills me. Total ball ache
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Haha that's not mine it's a famous pizza on the East Coast. I am about to go make some quesadillas though so Zak can stick around and talk shit about it while I'm not here to defend its honor.
Snide 09.27.16	Cheese Pizza with Extra Cheese and Pretzel Stuffed Crust. Any other is not satisfactory.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Cheese pizza with extra cheese. The autism special.
Snide 09.27.16	"Cheese pizza with extra cheese. The autism special" Let me guess, you like to sprinkle little bacon turds and gross green peppered nonsense all over the delicious cheese
Knave 09.27.16	It's fucking Maruca's in Seaside.
zakalwe 09.27.16	Bacon other than in a sandwich or on a plate with sausage, egg and beans is an absolute no go for me. Bacon burgers and Texas BBQ pizzas and all that nonsense just ruin grub for me.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I've seen those east coast pizzas in pictures before but that's the best looking one I've seen although I still wouldn't like all the sauce being on top, just like I don't like anything but the thinnest layer of sauce on the bottom. Basically enough sauce to make the pizza not dry but not enough to taste any sauce
Keyblade 09.27.16	delicious cheese? since when was mozzarella delicious on its own? it's delicious when it mixes with other flavors
Snide 09.27.16	I could eat entire slabs of cheese if need be, I love the way cheese tastes on its own.
Keyblade 09.27.16	the pizza I had yesterday was dripping with sauce, it was way too much
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	cheese is amazing. so many different kinds. I love smokey cheeses
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	beer cheese and pretzels, pub foods the best
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	the pizza I had yesterday was dripping with sauce, it was way too much I would honestly take it back and ask for a replacement or money back if a pizza had so much sauce. I can't take tums without throwing up for some reason, I don't need another heart attack.
Snide 09.27.16	I always get light sauce on my pizza, lots of cheese, little sauce.
Keyblade 09.27.16	cheese is amazing but mozzarella on its own is bland af
Keyblade 09.27.16	can't really do anything about it when u order it online so it was w/e. great flavor tho, smokey beef and chicken from dominos
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	sometimes I burn my pizza on purpose. I like almost but not quite burnt 4 cheese pizzas most
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	for fast food pizza, dominos is really fucking good.. too bad a medium pie is 1900 calories ):
Snide 09.27.16	ITT: Pizza is more important than the two leading presidential candidates
Sinternet 09.27.16	See good pizza is a thin base with a nice full flavoured tomato sauce, layered with enough cheese (not too much, you want a mix of a mature cheddar, parmesn and mozzarella), you want a bit of apple sauce in with the pizza base (just a bit) to give it a nice tang, and you want pesto and olives on top with some chciken breast strips. Now that's a pizza.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	sinternet I feel you bro
Sinternet 09.27.16	yeah pizza discussion is better because then i don't get mad at users i generally like unless they're a filthy deep pan peasant
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"ITT: Pizza is more important than the two leading presidential candidates" well yeah, pizza isn't a joke
Knave 09.27.16	Pizza is something that brings Americans together. The election is something that inherently tears Americans apart. It's nice to see that we gravitate toward togetherness.
Tadlfm 09.27.16	Tbh I'm waiting for 2020 when Kanye becomes president... That is if USA is still a thing by that time
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	some pizza company should start delivering to all protests that have police officers showing up and they can all agree to sit down together for ten minutes and eat pizza and then continue the demonstrations. pizza can save our country
zakalwe 09.27.16	Some cunt will moan about it not being halal
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Donald Trump leads in the area of non-college educated white males by 59% hahaha *tears*
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Clinton voters would have flocked to Bernie Sanders *more tears*
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	at least I managed the miracle of being alive in a time where I got to experience people like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	*tears m slash m slash tears tears tears oigahiwo nwaioweghai fucking Trump and Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the red alerts are real. why actual sirens aren't going off outside I don't know
zakalwe 09.27.16	Non college educated white males should be deported. As a group they're basically a subhuman species and shouldn't vote tbh
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	not very nice zak :'''(
zakalwe 09.27.16	Post Brexit talk dude. Young voters were calling for old people to have their votes rescinded because the future wouldn't apply to them. Absolutely fucking disgraceful and epitomises the hypocrisy of some people.
Sinternet 09.27.16	ahh yes the old 'some small subset of a chosen demographic represents the whole of said demographic' talk zak can't help being an out of touch entitled loonie
Polyethylene 09.27.16	Did you vote Leave or Remain zak?
Sinternet 09.27.16	pick the option most out of touch idiots voted for
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I forgot you're from over there. sigh I wish I could go live in one of those successful, smaller European countries, maybe I'll find one with a great music scene too *tears*
Sinternet 09.27.16	that was zak's choice
zakalwe 09.27.16	I mentioned some people's hypocrisy but it was young people on the whole and londoncentric arseholes who were mainly bleating. Entitled and out of touch, lol. Yes, yes of course I am. I'm outright racist, backward, stuck in the past and unwilling to embrace new ideas as well. The only reason I voted leave was because of coloureds. I wish we could build a wall.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Figured sint would've been vegan or at least vegetarian given his other views tbh. Kudos for eating cheese, chicken, and that good stuff mang.
Polyethylene 09.27.16	I think you'd have a hard time maintaining you are not racist or xenophobic, if you have already confessed to despising Islam (a quarter of the world's population)
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"racist" ... "Islam" What race are they again?
zakalwe 09.27.16	Pity it's only an ideology based on faith then I'd really be able to go to town.
Polyethylene 09.27.16	Predominantly Arabic, but the terminology isn't as important as the sentiment. You're still taking a brush and colouring an entire population (in this case, 1.7 billion) based on the actions of an infinitesimal few.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	"Arabic" What race is that again?
Polyethylene 09.27.16	The second largest ethnic group on the planet? You may have heard of them
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	get absolutely destroyed Polyethylene
CaliggyJack 09.27.16	The one with ebola i think
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Progressives defending Islam is always my favorite thing. When I think of being pro LGBT rights, respect for women's choices and autonomy, concern about the climate, etc. I always envision Islam as a shining beacon by which to measure all else.
zakalwe 09.27.16	I hate the niqab not the person wearing it.
Typhoon24 09.27.16	hating islam is fine can't hate on arabs or muslims in general tho one's a belief system and the others are people
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.27.16	Y'all hear women may win the right to drive in Saudi Arabia next year? Big if true.
CaliggyJack 09.27.16	"Y'all hear women may win the right to drive in Saudi Arabia next year? Big if true." 5 bucks says the car crash ratio in Saudi Arabia is gonna increase drastically.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	Saudi Arabians did 9-11
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	america is so intolerant, they criticize islamic beliefs!
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I'm American and I don't criticize Islamic beliefs.
CaliggyJack 09.27.16	7-11 was a part-time job
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	I believe in God but I would never want to be classified as religious. The current Pope is a baller shot caller though. He makes me not ashamed to have been raised Catholic.
TheSpaceMan 09.27.16	"I'm American and I don't criticize Islamic beliefs." you missed my point entirely
CaliggyJack 09.27.16	I'm a Catholic through and through and yea, this Pope is pretty chill af
zakalwe 09.27.16	Muslim faith schools, mosques, the bending of western culture to accommodate, an ever increasing swathe of numbers it all adds to divisiveness because of how ridiculously non pliable the religion is. It's done absolutely fuck all to enhance humankind for hundreds of years and yet people still bow. It's the only religion that doesn't adapt because it's so fucking militant.
Storm In A Teacup 09.27.16	"you missed my point entirely" Well maybe America should stop ravaging muslim nations thus creating the mythos of muslims being targeted by American bombs
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	then I'll completely buy into your sarcasm
Typhoon24 09.28.16	pope's chill religion sucks in general of all the religions to worry about, islam sucks the most. it's like christianity minus a reformation period/widespread cherrypicking
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	even if Islamic 'extremists' (theyre not even extremists tbh) weren't attacking America I'd still heavily criticize the religion I can't believe you're arguing that we were asking for it
Polyethylene 09.28.16	"hating islam is fine can't hate on arabs or muslims in general tho" Critiquing the tenets of Islam is fine, same goes for any other belief system. A generalised and violent hatred towards Arabs and muslims is not. If only islamophobia was discussing ideals, and not knuckle-headed vitriol. Also, in terms of Islamic moderates that have been radicalised in the last few decades, the US and UK should really, really see the role their atrocious foreign policy has had in bringing that about. Look at the mess they've made. Look at the Iraq war. Look at the absurd number of civilians killed in drone strikes. You have to look at the bigger picture here. Sadly, right-wing nationalists really struggle to see their country having any blame.
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	"The Quran requires payment of an alms tax (zakat) for the benefit of the poor" I wonder how this works. I didn't know that they took care of all the poor people.
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	http://previews.123rf.com/images/elnur/elnur1112/elnur111200197/11362208-Diversity-concept-with-young-arab-Stock-Photo-arab-man-muslim.jpg
Polyethylene 09.28.16	You can't devastate the Middle East, and then double down when any backlash occurs. Instead of rectifying their behaviour, the west has created a caricature of Islam to justify their previous and ongoing actions
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Poly what the fuck ever it's not like this is a crusade if that even happened. Christians are too civilized. moron.....just kidding....*tears*
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	"Critiquing the tenets of Islam is fine, same goes for any other belief system. A generalised and violent hatred towards Arabs and muslims is not." no shit... who here has acted like that? its in excusable "Also, in terms of Islamic moderates that have been radicalised in the last few decades, the US and UK should really, really see the role their atrocious foreign policy has had in bringing that about. Look at the mess they've made." good point, it was all flowers and rainbows until Bush needed that oil amirite? " Look at the absurd number of civilians killed in drone strikes." yea so many more than those raped and murdered through the Islamic teachings
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	I'm not defending war, or the military involvement we've made in those nations. it is true that they contributed to the hate towards the west, but I mean is that really something you can use to defend Islam?
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	it was all flowers and rainbows until Bush needed that oil amirite? did this actually happen tho?
Polyethylene 09.28.16	"good point, it was all flowers and rainbows until Bush needed that oil emirate?" The computer corrected your "amirite" to "emirate" and I'm leaving it exactly as it is. But seriously, are you arguing that US foreign policy hasn't exacerbated the fuck out of preexisting issues in the Middle East, and created a few of its own? "yea so many more than those raped and murdered through the Islamic teachings" If only people were so outspoken about the rape and murder (often racialised) that occurs in the USA every single day
Polyethylene 09.28.16	I love when people get up in arms about mistreatment and violence towards women in the Middle East and yet are so complicit in those things in a white western context, really is just tops
Typhoon24 09.28.16	it's different when u have a culture with many shitty guys who sometimes rape women vs a religion and accompanying political structure that calls for 2nd class citizen status for women
CaliggyJack 09.28.16	"If only people were so outspoken about the rape and murder (often racialised) that occurs in the USA every single day" R-R-R-RAAAAAPE CULTUUURE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	lol that mistake is gold. but yea I agreed and addressed that already "If only people were so outspoken about the rape and murder (often racialised) that occurs in the USA every single day" I... I'm dumbfounded at your reasoning here. I'm not even sure where to begin with this. people ARE outspoken about that, no one thinks rape and murder is fine, even in the USA. you're practically mocking whats going on over there. 'we have it bad too guys' like wtf are you aware of whats happening, how bad it is?
ShadowRemains 09.28.16	"hating islam is fine can't hate on arabs or muslims in general tho one's a belief system and the others are people" it's amazing how many people do not acknowledge this
Futures 09.28.16	sup dudes
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	"I love when people get up in arms about mistreatment and violence towards women in the Middle East and yet are so complicit in those things in a white western context, really is just tops" wow stop please
Polyethylene 09.28.16	@Typhoon both are terrible, and obviously need to be changed. But people's outrage on these topics is selective af
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	"hating islam is fine can't hate on arabs or muslims in general tho one's a belief system and the others are people" it's amazing how many people do not acknowledge this Yeah it's crazy that the framing has worked so well that muslim = religion and race combined.
zaruyache 09.28.16	well to be fair we Americans do kind of jumble "Jew" together into one thing even tho it's kind of a genetic lineage, culture, and religion. So it's not like this is a "new" thing for us.
CaliggyJack 09.28.16	Generally (in my Jewish family) we tend to lump it like this: Culture/Lineage: Hebrew Religion: Jewish
Typhoon24 09.28.16	i think for jewish people, it is a case where the religion and the race share the title "Jew." isn't it the same with hindus since judaism and hinduism are religions where it's pretty much "the religion of our people" rather than something you can convert into?
Sinternet 09.28.16	what people fail to grasp is that the west's enemies use exactly the same rhetoric the west does over here it's 'all these brown muslem terrorists attacking us' over there it's 'all these white western terrorists attacking us' until people actually grasp that terrorism is unacceptable regardless of ideology or geographical source there can't be a civilised debate on this because both the west and the islamic groups have committed atrocities
Polyethylene 09.28.16	@TheSpaceMan there are horrific examples in the Middle East, who is denying that? What is fucking retarded though is using those examples to feed a growing, vitriolic anti-Islam and anti-Arab sentiment whilst SIMULTANEOUSLY being somehow okay with domestic cases of rape and murder. And by "being somehow okay" I mean the appallingly low statistics of rape convictions and of cases of white-on-black violence. You can't preach that these things are terrible, and rail against them occurring in other parts of the world, while also failing to convict domestic offenders accordingly. What kind of fucking message does that send?
Polyethylene 09.28.16	"Generally (in my Jewish family) we tend to lump it like this: Culture/Lineage: Hebrew Religion: Jewish" same here
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	"What is fucking retarded though is using those examples to feed a growing, vitriolic anti-Islam and anti-Arab sentiment whilst SIMULTANEOUSLY being somehow okay with domestic cases of rape and murder. " again not sure what FB news fed Tumblr world you live in but no one is okay with domestic rape, and the growing anti-islamic sentiment is completely justified, long as it truly is criticisms of whats wrong with the awful portions of islamic teachings and not anti-people "I mean the appallingly low statistics of rape convictions " wtf how is that awful? "white on black violence" you mean the violence that is astronomically lower then its reciprocal? not that either are okay and have no clue why you brought it up "You can't preach that these things are terrible, and rail against them occurring in other parts of the world, while also failing to convict domestic offenders accordingly. What kind of fucking message does that send?" do you walk into a court room with someone being tried for murder and scream 'HOW CAN YOU GUYS TRY TO CONVICT THIS MAN WHILE SO MANY MURDERS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME?! WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND?!'
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	I always wondered do lawyers/attorneys work like 60 hours a week or more usually? How do you have time for sputnik??
Polyethylene 09.28.16	"the growing anti-islamic sentiment is completely justified, long as it truly is criticisms of whats wrong with the awful portions of islamic teachings and not anti-people" Often Islam isn't what gets attacked, it is individual and innocent people. "wtf how is that awful?" How is it awful that only 6 out of 1000 rapists are incarcerated? Are you really asking that question? "no clue why you brought [white on black violence] up" Because violent crime is taken much more seriously when the perpetrator is non-white. There is a common theme here, with violence in the Middle East being called the product of a degenerate and evil cult society, and in the USA as something regrettable that 'just happens' As for your last point... again, these crimes need to be addressed equal to how bad/prevalent they are. This should be irrespective of who did what where, not minimised domestically or sensationalised abroad for the sake of ideology
Sinternet 09.28.16	'"I mean the appallingly low statistics of rape convictions " wtf how is that awful?' either you completely misunderstood or you're a fucking twat, hoping for the former
Futures 09.28.16	poly you just dumb or what?
Polyethylene 09.28.16	You want to actually respond to any of the valid points I've made, or just reject them outright because they threaten your worldview?
Snake. 09.28.16	who's still voting for flocka this election day
Sinternet 09.28.16	in spirit
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	I misunderstood because I took it for what it said, I didnt realize it had unspecified implications, usually when you talk incarcerations you're talking about the crime committed not a ratio of ppl getting away with it. dont call me a twat "Often Islam isn't what gets attacked, it is individual and innocent people." I'll say it again cause third times a charm, I agree, thats bad. why do you keep bringing that up? do you like it when I confirm you're correct? lol and to use your method of arguing, often people say 'you cant target innocent people' as a way to silence the critiques of islam "6 out of 1000 rapists are incarcerated?" where do you get this statistic? why is it that low incarceration numbers compared to the accused rate automatically means systemic acceptance of rape? its way easier to say you were raped when you were not then it is to get away with rape completely... if the courts cannot find enough evidence to convict you then theres a good chance you're not a rapist. a lot of rapes go unreported too, which is sad but its your obligation to report a crime when youre a victim of it. "Because violent crime is taken much more seriously when the perpetrator is non-white." is that why black on black crime is given massive media attention while whites killing blacks (esp cops) is just kept as hidden statistics that no one talks about?
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	my last point was sarcasm btw, dont want you to miss that
iloveyouall 09.28.16	who would've guessed that the prog-wank rep is alt-right?
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	what does that even mean?
iloveyouall 09.28.16	it is observation of the direct correlation between the dadness of taste in music and position on the political spectrum, phrased in the form of a half-facetious half-serious question, you fucking dolt.
Sinternet 09.28.16	fucking dolt [2]
TheSpaceMan 09.28.16	'it is observation of the direct correlation between the dadness of taste in music.. ' lol okay this i can get behind
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	Poly keep posting in here man I'm learning a lot about my complicity in rape and murder of the darker races.
Snide 09.28.16	Nearing 1000 comments. I miss the pizza tbh
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	made some mushroom alfredo hamburger pasta
Snide 09.28.16	I'm craving Fettuccine Alfredo right now tbh
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Megyn Kelly: "There we see Donald Trump talking to our own Sean Hannity, we'll have to see if he talks to any of the journalists in the room"
Ignimbrite 09.28.16	wait did she actually say that? damn, this election is making me really like Megyn Kelly
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	yeah she did lmao
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	it's not like it's in question. he said himself he's not a journalist that he is a tv personality who gives his opinions. it took forever for him to admit it tho
Keyblade 09.28.16	""racist" ... "Islam" What race are they again?" hard to deny there's a racist element, or at least a xenophobic element to islamophobia who receives the brunt of hate crimes? it's definitely not the white revert, or even the black muslim who make up a quarter of the american muslim population. it's middle eastern looking ppl and sikhs unfortunately another example. anytime the fact that a majority of american christians/republicans would like to tear down the constitution and make christianity the official religion is brought up, it's shrugged off as "ehh those dumb evangelicals again". let a muslim have the audacity to support islamic law in muslim majority countries tho and see the outrage at the impending muslim takeover. we gotta ban them/kick them out/x/y/z. one group is invariably white while the other is 'foreign'
zakalwe 09.28.16	Islam is a violent, subverting, misogynistic relic that is incompatible with free thought or 21st century society. Christianity held barbaric ideals 1000 years ago but Christianity was adapted by those who hadn't written it off entirely. Islam is a constant.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	"one group is invariably white while the other is 'foreign'" Ever heard anyone complain about East Asian nation peoples wanting to establish Buddhism as a national religion? Seems "invariably" is a bit of an overstatement. I don't think it's phenotype based. I think they're scared of Islam.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	I mean I doubt seriously that a Rastafarian Pakistani wearing a marijuana hat with dreads is gonna be "hate-crimed" due to suspected terrorist ties. Don't see that happening.
BallsDeep 09.28.16	agree somewhat with Zak but I wouldn't say Islam is quite as inhumane and destructive as it's stigmatized to be. boils down to peoples interpretation of the quran since it doesn't directly promote violence, martyrdom and misogyny as far as I know but can and has been used to justify it because of the ambiguous wording. I mean the scriptures were even used to justify the inquisition too so of course it all relies on the benevolence of the people who follow them to ensure that they maintain peace not violence.
Keyblade 09.28.16	"Ever heard anyone complain about East Asian nation peoples wanting to establish Buddhism as a national religion? Seems "invariably" is a bit of an overstatement." kinda proving my point here, as if white christians are any more american than anyone else like i said earlier, if muslims were to express the exact same sentiment there would be outrage. shit, all they have to say is "we like sharia" for there to be outrage. that's xenophobia no matter how u slice it
zakalwe 09.28.16	Do you actually know what sharia law values? It's complete oppression for fucks sake. A woman willing commits adultry and she is stoned to death whike a man gets a talking to. Something's not quite right there.
Typhoon24 09.28.16	@BallsDeep it doesnt promote violence in a "go kill everybody not like you" sense but it clearly calls on believers to fight (even if they do not wish to personally) in the name of God if their religions being threatened. now the question of when the religion is truly being threatened is a question of interpretation, but the violence and implied martyrdom is implied. the misogyny is overt in places and more subtle in others. overt in the sense that the quran and sunnah (both islamic primary law) outline a system of property law where a widowed wife receives 1/8th of her husband's property if he has living sons. that's clear discrimination but assumes so many other things we would consider misogynistic nowadays. lastly, i agree that this all comes down to the fact that most people are decent in the nonviolent sense and we all have lives and responsibilities. that can get in the way of the whole 'raising your sword in the name of allah' thing, even if u do believe god wants u to do it. lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	"doesn't directly promote violence, martyrdom and misogyny as far as I know" The explicit penalty for apostasy is death ffs what more do you want? Key not sure what you mean by that first part. I'm saying I don't hear white people complaining about East Asians so it's not a white v. nonwhite thing for sure. I've never once IRL heard a white person screaming about Buddhism being a problem. "we like sharia" isn't the "exact same" thing, though. That's the point of contention here. Sharia is a different ballgame, dude.
Typhoon24 09.28.16	@zakalwe , nah a man gets flogged. still bullshit but they dont get off easy. it's very painful. (i have family in sudan and one kid my cousin knew got flogged 10 times for masturbating in a school bathroom. if it had been adultery, he would've gotten 100 and risked exile. He had puss coming out of that shit)
Keyblade 09.28.16	""we like sharia" isn't the "exact same" thing, though. That's the point of contention here. Sharia is a different ballgame, dude." ur right it isn't, it's nowhere near as bad. u might think sharia is worse than christian law or w/e, but that has nothing to do with the sentiment itself if u think "get rid of the constitution and put christianity in its place" is equivalent to "i'm muslim, and i like islamic law", then that's the exact bias im talking about
Futures 09.28.16	islam needs to modernize like christianity. islam hasn't left the middle ages if we're being honest here
Keyblade 09.28.16	"Key not sure what you mean by that first part. I'm saying I don't hear white people complaining about East Asians so it's not a white v. nonwhite thing for sure. I've never once IRL heard a white person screaming about Buddhism being a problem" i thought u meant in east asia nobody complains about asians wanting to make buddhism the official religion cuz they're the majority, my bad i misunderstood u
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	What is Christian law? Serious question is there some version of this in practice? Cause I keep thinking tenets of Christianity would apply but can't think of any actualized version of this in the modern world. "all they have to say is 'we like sharia' for there to be outrage. that's xenophobia no matter how u slice it" - This I just can't get behind at all. I don't have any animosity toward anyone for being from any given country yet people advocating for sharia law utterly disgust me.
Typhoon24 09.28.16	if u teach evolution they kill u? lmao
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	"my bad i misunderstood" Yeah I saw that "as if white christians are any more american than anyone else" jab and was seriously confused.
Keyblade 09.28.16	not really sure, but does there need to be? it could just be any law derived from christian tenets. how is that any better from a constitutional standpoint, simply because it isnt as codified?
BallsDeep 09.28.16	Christianity needs to further modernize into oblivion too
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	I'm not talking about a Constitutional standpoint I'm talking ethically. The Constitution is American only so not sure why that'd be the barometer for a worldwide thing.
Keyblade 09.28.16	shit, even ethically. the 2 religions are 99% the same anyway
Futures 09.28.16	what
Futures 09.28.16	comparing hardcore christianity or whatever to sharia law is just dumb man
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/11/04/woman-stoned-adultery-afghanistan-vstop-orig.cnn This is a pretty fucking graphic video but if you can stomach it I'd encourage you to look at what is a routine practice under Sharia.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	The only remotely comparable "hardcore" Christianity I can think of was the Uganda anti-gay shit. But that in scope doesn't even amount to a drop in the ocean.
Keyblade 09.28.16	i'm saying the positions of the 2 scriptures on most things are the same, not how they are in practice in 2016 in different parts of the world...since we're talking about theoretically deriving laws from christianity case in point, stoning for adultery is part of christian tradition as well
Futures 09.28.16	why hasn't islam modernized?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	Two things: (1) Islam is the only religion which carries a death penalty for apostasy. Christians are allowed to leave the faith w/o being sentenced to death. Additionally, they do not have an obligation to convert by the sword if not by the mouth, under strict Islamic scripture they do. (2) "not how they are in practice in 2016 in different parts of the world" - This is what most of us here are talking about. One religion evolved in 99% of the world to a point that is unrecognizable from the religion that existed a thousand years ago. The other, however, did not. This is why people react quite differently to imposition of one than the other, because of this vast chasm.
Keyblade 09.28.16	"why hasn't islam modernized?" i mean islam isnt a monolith by any means, but if we want to talk about places like afghanistan then just look at the state of those countries. completely ravaged by war for 30 years, yet we want to use it as a barometer for islam? that's kinda disingenuous. it's like using the central african republic to represent christianity. it's just that there are so many destabilized middle eastern countries and thus so many more bad examples, so i totally get why u never see countries like malaysia or senegal used as examples of modern muslim societies, or how islam was the face of modernity for a millennium. it's almost like there are other factors in play than just religion, but it's all good
Keyblade 09.28.16	"Islam is the only religion which carries a death penalty for apostasy. Christians are allowed to leave the faith w/o being sentenced to death. Additionally, they do not have an obligation to convert by the sword if not by the mouth, under strict Islamic scripture they do." pretty sure the punishment for apostasy according to the old testament is a good ol sword smitin' dude. or a stoning, that apparently works too
Typhoon24 09.28.16	scripture aint the same either. christianity focuses on the new testament which at best is a recollection of the life of jesus (who was a pacifist) from 4 different sources. old testament is also venerated, but hardly any christian practitioners would want to implement a lot of the archaic laws here. (death for shellfish, whatever bs) in islam on the other hand, you have a book being dictated directly to the prophet from God through an angel. DIRECT WORD OF GOD. plus one of the core tenets of islam is to pledge submission to God and his messenger (obviously meaning that that god's communication to his messenger is just as sacred). kind of hard to adapt to a progressive society if one seriously believes that
smaugman 09.28.16	"why hasn't islam modernized?" a lot of the reason is that the koran is considered god's words, therefore they are what they are, and it would be blasphemy to change them
Keyblade 09.28.16	jesus a pacificst? isnt he coming back to fuck everybody up personally lol
Typhoon24 09.28.16	if my islamic school education was right, he's coming back one day to fight the anti-christ, kill all pigs, and bring about Armageddon so ya maybe i spoke too soon about pacifism. he's yet to kick some serious ass
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	"it's just that there are so many destabilized middle eastern countries and thus so many more bad examples" But you literally have people born and raised in the U.K. who want Sharia... ? You used Malaysia as an example but aren't they pushing to have Sharia implemented there as well? It's so goddamned prevalent that I don't think "look at the environment" suffices as an adequate explanation.
Keyblade 09.28.16	i mean according to christianity. the messiah will apparently return and destroy anybody who opposes him according to Revelation
Typhoon24 09.28.16	with what, his cock?
Typhoon24 09.28.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJxmqUbxE0k
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	I sure hope we listen to Stephen Hawking urging us not to respond to that message from outer space. I don't think we are ready for first contact from a superior species.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	"that message from outer space" It was a hypo we haven't received a message haha.
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	That is awesome that we discovered water plumes on Jupiters moon. Gonna go find ocean life hopefully!
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Not a message but a powerful radio signal. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3768086/As-mysterious-burst-radio-signal-detected-outer-space-proof-aliens-trying-contact-us.html
smaugman 09.28.16	lol i think it will be a long time before any of us are contacted, and if we are, we should just ignore it all
Keyblade 09.28.16	"But you literally have people born and raised in the U.K. who want Sharia... ? " and? i dont get why it's so hard to fathom that religious ppl would support religious law? i literally showed u a huge percentage of 'modern' american christians who want the same thing lol. i get that u dislike it, but how is that surprising at all? u ask a buddhist or scientologist "would u support laws derived from ur religion" and i'm pretty sure they'll say yes if they're religious but u realize sharia is so much more than the western meme of stoning and w/e and is not something set in stone and completely up for interpretation right? hell, the majority of practical shariah is concerned with civil law like divorce and inheritance and shit, and finance. so when muslims say the support shariah, they're usually thinking of things islamic banking (which is a huge deal to them) and halal food (similarly) and things of that nature but they dont even get that benefit of the doubt do they? we're simply content with projecting our extremely limited and distorted understanding of their religion on them because fuck em. meanwhile white christian republicans have been working overtime for decades in the US to influence laws to comply with their religion. and when we find out 60% of them would like to subvert the constitution altogether, and we're just like meh. u telling me there's no xenophobia (irrational fear of the 'other') involved in this disparate reaction?
smaugman 09.28.16	lol nty bye
Keyblade 09.28.16	grown men are talking here smaug. bounce
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	I'm saying the environment isn't an excuse, that Christians wanting Christian law are not (in the year 2016) advocating for anything remotely as horrid as Islamic law (in the aggregate in 2016), and that Sharia is a widespread abomination in the modern world. Christianity (in 2016) is better than Islam from a human rights perspective, not debatable. "u telling me there's no xenophobia" - Sure, but it's not inherent as you stated. Me, for example. I hate Sharia, I'm not a xenophobe. I also hate Christian Americans doing that religious law bullshit. Here's the OG quote: "shit, all they have to say is "we like sharia" for there to be outrage. that's xenophobia no matter how u slice it"
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Redrawing districts
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	hahaha Storm I swear half the time you post something I have no idea what you're talking about cause you just randomly cycle through non-thread subjects.
bakkermaarten007 09.28.16	I'm not feeling like completely involving myself in this, but I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw (three stages of Jihad) This guy has made it his life's mission to completely debunk all myths isntilled by the Muslim Brotherhood that Islam is peaceful. His sources? Quran, Hadith,... primary sources.
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Lol
smaugman 09.28.16	yes. im just an innocent little boy who can't argue or put any effort into it : )
Futures 09.28.16	i don't think key has a prob with us (me and ghost or other libertarian users) it's people like trump that are like yeah ban all muslims because reasons lol
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 09.28.16	Knave hahaha But I don't have a problem with Key I just have disagreements with him, this being one of them. If we met IRL we'd probably chat over tacos and margaritas or some shit and a fun time would be had as we agree that Drake really is garbage after all.
Keyblade 09.28.16	thats some weak ass self deprecating humour, but ur right smaug but yea we dont always have to agree on everything. that's what discussion's about. that's why i fuck with dudes like Ghost and Futures having said that, thread is looking like it's about to get lame so i'll catch yall on the flip, after the second debate lol
smaugman 09.28.16	islam always reoccur in these political threads. not that i've looked for the origin of it, but i guess it's related to whatever you guys talked about
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Gears of War 4 tho
zakalwe 09.28.16	The masked Arab is the man. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A2gZk0fCmyo
Snide 09.28.16	"Gears of War 4 though" Almost makes me want to hook my Xbox One back up
BallsDeep 09.28.16	I didnt't think people still played Gears of War this side of 2010
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	they will be
Aberf 09.28.16	Wow, so many Islamic experts in here.
StrikeOfTheBeast 09.28.16	I don't like either candidate, but Trump made an ass of himself more than usual.
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	I'm a lil afraid that if neo liberal Hillary wins it will create a bigger monster than Trump in 4 years.
bakkermaarten007 09.28.16	It's like Americans got their wish to be able to vote for someone who isn't a puppet of finance and lobbygroups. But the cruel part is that that person is Trump I'd have an extremely hard time choosing
Futures 09.28.16	good thing gary johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states and i don't have to choose between a orange fascist and a corporate corrupt war mongerer
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	Trump is the ultimate Trojan horse for redneck America roflmao crying crying crying
Futures 09.28.16	rednecks have always voted repub so who cares
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	I was hoping that one guy was the worst who wanted to know "where the hell Obama was on 9-11 probably not at the white house probably playing golf but I'd like to get to the bottom of it", but he's not. So funny but so sad. Will go get links for you guys to have some laughs or tears or both
Futures 09.28.16	george bush made hurricane katrina bro
zakalwe 09.28.16	rednecks are people to. #Redlivesmatter
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYxhq6xjBKE
zakalwe 09.28.16	Shudder. What a self righteous bellend. Immigrants are amazing cos Taco Bell, shoves microphone in some fellas face who says he loves Mexican food. Point proven open the borders!!!
Futures 09.28.16	w h i t e g e n o c i d e
Storm In A Teacup 09.28.16	everyone should hear this album and be forced to rerate all other albums they had once given a 1 to 2
Snide 09.29.16	"everyone should hear this album and be forced to rerate all other albums they had once given a 1 to 2" Actually wrong because Hello Kitty Suicide Club fam
Storm In A Teacup 09.29.16	that comment should not even be in this thread. should be in the Feldman thread
PortalofPerfection 09.29.16	908 comments HOLY SHIT!
Futures 09.29.16	let the thread die in peace please no more
Storm In A Teacup 09.29.16	poor futures. this is just the first debate
Muisc4Life26 09.30.16	I could care less about politics, whoever wins.. it's not going to be the end of the world lol
Snide 09.30.16	"whoever wins.. it's not going to be the end of the world lol" But it'll shape the world we're in now, and the world to come
Polyethylene 09.30.16	damn it guys this was sitting at 911 comments and you had to come and fuck it up
Snide 09.30.16	Sorry fam

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