Ryus
02.01.15 | yay |
Titan
02.01.15 | looking forward to this as well.....can Vince Gilligan do us wrong? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.01.15 | good list you have great taste for a 14 year old man its absurd |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
02.01.15 | i hope you're an elitist dick to all your friends about their shit taste |
Jots
02.01.15 | cannonball adderley lmao damn |
Snake.
02.01.15 | when does it start? |
deathschool
02.01.15 | It's on right now. You're missing it |
Muisc4Life26
02.01.15 | Saul and Mike heck yea |
iamamanfromspace
02.01.15 | Mike was the BEST character on BB |
wwf
02.01.15 | I bet it'll be pretty good at first with some people saying that it's terrible and eventually be pretty much unanimously considered great but not as great as breaking bad |
iamamanfromspace
02.01.15 | That's probably exactly what'll happen unless it's genuinely not very good |
thacoconut94
02.01.15 | Gonna miss Walter and Jesse though |
Chortles
02.01.15 | list is yum |
Titan
02.01.15 | 'Gonna miss Walter and Jesse though'
thought i read that cameos are evident, especially Jesse |
Ryus
02.01.15 | @pots lol yeah i shit on their taste all the time, thanks
@chortles thanks :]
yeah @iamamanfromspace agreed |
Ryus
02.01.15 | i think bryan cranston might have a cameo but its not confirmed |
Titan
02.01.15 | if this is half as good as BB, it will be a win |
Ryus
02.01.15 | yeah i'm not expecting it to be monumental or anything, i just want some good backstory and entertainment |
Scoot
02.01.15 | it will just be nice to explore this universe again
doubt it will come close to bb but almost nothing has or will |
Crymsonblaze
02.01.15 | not too interested in it even though i like bob odenkirk |
Snake.
02.01.15 | "not too interested in it"
ok you can leave now thanks for your contribution to this thread |
beefshoes
02.01.15 | It'll probably suck ass tbh, but I'll still watch the premiere. |
TalonsOfFire
02.01.15 | I remember reading that Walt and Jesse may or may not appear before, during or after the events of BB that's what I'm most excited to see |
Muisc4Life26
02.01.15 | There's a good chance that Gus might return |
wwf
02.01.15 | I doubt they'll spend too much time on characters from Breaking Bad, since they seemed to want the two to be thought of differently |
iamamanfromspace
02.01.15 | Yeah they should try their best to not make it feel like a spin-off |
Flugmorph
02.01.15 | will be interesting at least. |
Slut
02.02.15 | So excited |
Crymsonblaze
02.03.15 | "ok you can leave now thanks for your contribution to this thread"
hey snake delilah what's it like to be so shitty?
i'm a thousand miles away
but girl, your words they hurt me pretty
bad, they do
no one does insults as well as you
you know it's true
|
Flugmorph
02.03.15 | hes just lonely |
Crymsonblaze
02.05.15 | and sad sad sad |
TumsFestival
02.05.15 | mike might have been the worst character on BB |
Snake.
02.05.15 | um
no |
Ryus
02.05.15 | how could you ever said that |
JokineAugustus
02.05.15 | omfg mike was the shit so glad he's back! |
Snake.
02.05.15 | mike and jesse are bar none the best characters |
Ryus
02.05.15 | tbh huell |
MO
02.05.15 | heard the 2 hour opener is amazing. i'm stoked for it. apparently the opening scene is a black and white bit showing what happens to saul after the end of BB. then the show goes back to before, gonna be sweet |
Crymsonblaze
02.05.15 | mike was blah
jesse and saul were where it's at
obligatory cranston is a great actor despite being a thoroughly unlikable character comment |
demigod!
02.05.15 | aw man i was excited before but after reading what MO just wrote, i'm fuckin' stoked |
iamamanfromspace
02.14.15 | How are you all enjoying the show? |
deathschool
02.14.15 | It was actually really solid. Excited for the next episode for sure. |
Mongi123
02.14.15 | BB was pretty much pretty so it'll be hard to measure up to tht quality, but I loved both episodes. Can't wait until Monday! |
MO
02.14.15 | it'll be great. you can see just how many crazy paths it's going to take |
Snake.
02.14.15 | how does vince gilligan do this shit |
Mesm277
02.14.15 | End of first episode was a proper "oh shit" moment
2nd episode----VG is the king of writing tense material |
Snake.
02.14.15 | the king of build-ups |
Mongi123
02.14.15 | @snake Vince is a god basically. Only he can make a spin off show best than a lot of shows on tv already haha |
Ryus
02.14.15 | yeah the show is already epic |
TalonsOfFire
02.14.15 | It's great so far, his exchanges with Mike are highlights |
Nocturnalize
03.01.15 | Im really not enjoying this show my high hopes have most certainly diminished at this point |
iamamanfromspace
03.01.15 | i wish they could've brought back the breaking bad team to do a brand new show and not a prequel spin off. I feel like the confines theyre working within here are really hurting the quality and that this creative team could put together another brilliant show, but so far this isn't it and it likely isn't ever going to be |
demigod!
03.01.15 | yeah this show rules |
deathschool
03.01.15 | Yeah |
Ryus
03.01.15 | damn @Nocturnalize why |
deathschool
03.02.15 | Maybe he was expecting too much. I actually didn't expect anything of greatness and it turned out pretty a sweet |
ChoccyPhilly
03.02.15 | I like what I've seen so far. Has the same charm and bite as the first season did |
TalonsOfFire
03.02.15 | I wonder how long it'll last, I'm guessing 3 or 4 seasons and hopefully it'll delve into the future of BB characters |
Slut
03.02.15 | can i find the show somewhere online???? my google is broken |
iamamanfromspace
03.02.15 | it's definitely not boring, but even The Walking Dead isn't boring nahmean. too early to judge too much anyway |
minimesmyidol
03.02.15 | Im really liking this show more than BB to be honest. Its not really confined if they stick to their words of it being before, during and after.
There's a goldmine of things they can do with Badger, skinny pete, Gustavo, that dude who can make you disappear, etc. |
Nocturnalize
03.02.15 | jerry seinfield as saul and larry david as mike would've been ten times funnier if you think about it |
deathschool
03.02.15 | Slut, you can watch the first couple of episodes on AMC's website last i checked |
Spec
03.02.15 | Jesse's gonna be in there somewhere. |
Rowan5215
03.31.15 | last scene of episode 9
one of the best gilligan and co. have ever written |
Scoot
03.31.15 | that was intense |
jmnewcomer18
03.31.15 | Lol at jesse being anywhere near the best on bb. All he did was make mistakes an get himself into trouble. How many times did he nearly get himself killed, and how many times did walt and other peeps have to clean up his messes? I could go on and on. Walt, Mike, Hank, and Gus were easily the best. |
Rowan5215
03.31.15 | Jesse was the most relatable and interesting character plus he had some of the most interesting arcs plus fuck Hank |
JamieTwort
03.31.15 | "Lol at jesse being anywhere near the best on bb. All he did was make mistakes an get himself into trouble. How many times did he nearly get himself killed, and how many times did walt and other peeps have to clean up his messes? I could go on and on."
lol wtf, this has no relevance to whether or not he's a good character, I mean since when were characters in fictional TV programs judged purely on their efficiency to carry out tasks/whether or not they fucked up in their criminal activity? |
wwf
03.31.15 | Mother of Christ that episode was good
Every episode so far has been great but damn this one was beautiful |
jmnewcomer18
03.31.15 | Thats just one of the many reasons i cant stand him. He does have interesting arcs and great moments but more often than not he just gets on my nerves. I guess i worded that last comment wrong but im tired as fuck ahd too lazy yo try to explain in further detail lol |
wwf
03.31.15 | Jesse is my spirit animal do not speak any more of these heresies that you believe |
Rowan5215
03.31.15 | agreed wwf honestly the final scene of that episode is among the best gilligan and co. have ever done in either show
not only fucking fantastic material for both actors to sink their teeth into but a completely logical development which changes the face of the entire season so far
fucking perfect |
JamieTwort
03.31.15 | Jesse is definitely one of my favourite characters, probably because of the fact that he's the most relatable character in the show, which is crucial to breaking bad. |
jmnewcomer18
03.31.15 | He just barely makes my top 5 honestly
1.Walt
2. Mike
3. Gus
4. Hank
5. Jesse |
wwf
03.31.15 | I want to say that pretty much every small moment in Breaking Bad that's memorable to me (as supposed to the bigger moments, like literally any scene in Ozymandias) is of Jesse. Like, the scene where everyone leaves Jesse's nonstop party (after he shot Gale) and Jesse just sits down, puts his head against the speakers he bought and puts the volume on full blast. Gets to me every time |
Rowan5215
03.31.15 | ^ that's a fucking great scene yeah
plus the last shot of Jesse in Felina is the best show in the entire show so |
deathschool
03.31.15 | Jesse is the reason Breaking Bad works. |
TalonsOfFire
03.31.15 | Jesse is a great character, one of my favorites on bb
That episode was fantastic, especially the ending scene, which is probably my favorite moment of Better Call Saul yet |
Titan
03.31.15 | Jesse doesn't make my top 5......as great as he was on the show |
tempest--
03.31.15 | guys how good was Steven ogg |
MrSirLordGentleman
03.31.15 | Anyone discusing on how Chuck's the biggets piece of shit ever? |
tempest--
03.31.15 | I was like oh my goooooooood it's trevor |
SpiritCrusher2
03.31.15 | "Anyone discusing on how Chuck's the biggets piece of shit ever?"
damn I was so pissed during that final scene of the last episode, ugh hate that guy |
Faraudo
03.31.15 | Mike's material was excellent, and that last scene... Damn. |
SpiritCrusher2
03.31.15 | yea Mike is so awesome |
JokineAugustus
04.01.15 | That was almost as good as Five - O. |
ChoccyPhilly
04.10.15 | Can't believe the season built up to a simple conversation with Mike at the end. I get why but lol. Delayed gratification like none other |
tempest--
04.10.15 | show was renewed for a second season before it even aired, there's going to be a big finale.
but agreed that this season's ending was kinda lackluster. i guess it was cool to see Jimmy becoming Saul. like, there's been moments throughout the show but that final conversation was a turning point. |
deathschool
04.10.15 | Something about this season's finale was almost kind of corny to me. Or maybe too convenient of a transformation. Having Jimmy go back home and revert to his old ways for a week, before he was like alright, well that was fun. I don't know. Some of the stuff that happened was a little too convenient. I'm loving the show, but it has some major flaws. It's really heavy on the fan pleasing sometimes too. |
wwf
04.10.15 | Gotta say I completely agree. I thought every episode up until the last one was very good but the last one was a bit cliche.
And having watched Breaking Bad a few times its pretty easy to pick up on the constant references, and it gets a bit tiring. Yeah Jimmy you like Belize, hahaha.
But its still very good |
TalonsOfFire
04.11.15 | It was a good season, lots of fun and interesting scenes. There was also a lot that was pretty boring, and I get the cliche complaint. It's still solid and Bob Odenkirk has great charisma. The last two episodes were great |
Scoot
04.11.15 | if bb is a 10 this is an 8
not complaining |
anarchistfish
04.11.15 | "if bb is a 10 this is an 8"
/thread |
deathschool
04.11.15 | I mean, I agree, but there is certainly more insight to be had. |
Scoot
04.11.15 | it lacks the same gut punches and general feeling of uneasiness that accompanied so many bb episodes
the humour and writing is there but it just doesn't feel as real, if that makes any sense
expecting this to change as the seasons progress, just as bb did. season 1 of bb is pretty similar to this |
minimesmyidol
04.11.15 | If it wasn't for that bingo hall scene, the finale would have been kind of boring honestly.
And he should have at least went into that law firm and listen to their offer, but I was still laughing about Jimmy shitting in his wife's lover's car after the show was over. |
deathschool
04.11.15 | The bingo hall scene was my takeaway from the finale as well. |
deathschool
04.11.15 | You're dumb. |
ChoccyPhilly
04.12.15 | I hope next season has more grit |
Deviant.
04.12.15 | Finale should have ended with Jimmy pausing on his way to the meeting, leaving everything up in the air until the next season. Definitive explanations can be good sometimes, but I feel that, because this show's audience already knows the endgame, a little ambiguity would go a long way |
MrSirLordGentleman
04.12.15 | Even if it was obvious I wanted Jimmy to accept the offer, I'd like to see an honest Jimmy with an honest and succesful life |
Titan
04.12.15 | it's always nice to see some Rush love |
ChoccyPhilly
04.12.15 | @dev as much as i'd love the sound of it, I reckon a lot of people will just call it boring |
tempest--
04.12.15 | hahah of course that's all you get out of it Titan |
Titan
04.12.15 | well we are on a music site |
jmnewcomer18
04.12.15 | well we are on a music site [2] |
deathschool
04.12.15 | Well... |
adr
04.12.15 | the last scene was cheesy as fuck, but overall good episode and season |
Tyler.
04.21.16 | almost done with season 2. things are getting pretty tense |
Ryus
04.18.22 | the final season. lets fucking go. the show has exceeded all expectations |
onionbubs
04.18.22 | man i am sooo hyped. s5 is one of the best seasons of tv ive ever seen and im fully ready for them to top it |
deathschool
04.18.22 | Ready for them to kill off a major character in episode 1, baybeeeee. I also probably won't be coming to this thread for a while, because I'm not sure when I am going to start watching. |
Ryus
04.18.22 | get in your final predictions now about nacho, lalo, and kim
for me:
NACHO: escapes
LALO: fakes his own death or dies
KIM: jailed? leaves jimmy? idk. i dont think she's gonna die though |
onionbubs
04.18.22 | i am terrified for my man nacho bc theres no way both him and his papi make it
but yea since gus tells hector late s4 of bb hes the only surviving salamanca that sorta only leaves lalo the options of being dead or gus thinking hes dead |
evilford
04.18.22 | I stopped watching a while ago and kinda regret it. Just not super into TV anymore
Bob odenkirk kicks azz doe |
deathschool
04.18.22 | Nacho kills Kim; Saul kills Nacho; Gus fucks Mike |
Rowan5215
04.19.22 | my boy Nacho is absolutely dying lmao dude has been digging himself a deeper and deeper hole for 5 seasons
I just want Kim to make it tbh |
Ryus
04.19.22 | i want the homie to escape and chill with his dad
i have a feeling kim will make it |
Rowan5215
04.20.22 | man that shootout scene at the motel, I am so worried for Nacho lmao |
Pangea
04.20.22 | cant watch until the weekend but so fucking excited |
LeddSledd
04.20.22 | I don't have high hopes for Nacho but pls I hope Kim makes it out somehow
don't wanna jinx it but all signs point to this season going stupidly hard. so hyped
unbelievable how well they've managed everything about this show |
Rowan5215
04.27.22 | welp. there we go. that episode made me want to give up on life |
onionbubs
04.27.22 | have not been able to think about anything else all day. brutal episode |
g40st
04.27.22 | Oh shit I thought only the first episode was out I guess I gotta avoid this thread from now on |
g40st
04.27.22 | Last two posts sound like we're getting a death close to home |
GreyShadow
04.27.22 | yeah, one of the best episodes in the series/all of the BB universe. |
onionbubs
04.27.22 | my god that "you think of me". that whole ending monologue was the most chilling performance in the whole breaking bad universe as far as im concerned |
GreyShadow
04.27.22 | michael mando is amazing |
Rowan5215
04.27.22 | mando gave the best performance in either show, dont @ me |
onionbubs
04.27.22 | [2] rowbro out here w the best tv takes as always |
MrSirLordGentleman
04.27.22 | "michael mando is amazing" [2]
What a great episode. That climax really left me pleased |
Snake.
04.27.22 | ugh i haven't watched anything since season 1 smh |
g40st
04.27.22 | Snake that's something you gotta fix my dude
Show ended up being superior to BB in almost every regard and one of TV's best character dramas ever |
Flashmobba
04.27.22 | YOU THINK OF ME
Nacho is so important to the BB Universe, without him, Hector wouldn't be in the chair, Gus wouldn't have died, Tuco wouldn't have gone to jail and met skinny pete and met Walt and Jesse. Absolutely legendary character. |
DoofDoof
04.27.22 | I wouldnât say Mando carried those first two episodes but his plot line and performance were definitely the most engaging, heâs very very good in this |
Rowan5215
04.27.22 | pretty curious how they write around Jimmy not knowing he's dead now, or whether they just pass it off like he's talking about someone else in s2. lot of balls up in the air with this show, can't wait to see what Lalo's up to |
Ryus
04.27.22 | the next episode is gonna have some epic lalo scenes for sure
michael mando < 3 |
Flashmobba
04.28.22 | @rowan if I'm not mistaken I think jimmy just says "it was ignacio", not sure how that conflicts with him knowing he's dead or not, he simply implies that nacho set lalo up, doesnt really invalidate nacho dying |
Trebor.
04.28.22 | I miss Nacho already |
MrSirLordGentleman
04.28.22 | Anybody cares about poor Howard anymore?
I honestly feel bad for him. Hope he gets a good ending |
Ryus
04.28.22 | howard is a super interesting character to me. i honestly like him a lot lol. super nervous/excited to see how it all plays out between him and kim/jimmy |
Trebor.
04.28.22 | Jimmy gonna tell him to Namaste deez nuts |
Flashmobba
04.28.22 | I have a feeling Howard is gonna fight back n something wild is gonna happen
the cast said that this season is gonna be EXTREMELY unpredictable |
Slex
04.28.22 | My heart hurts
Mando is a legend, how fucking good was he holy shit |
AlexKzillion
04.28.22 | Season has been awesome so far
Really interested to see what it is that will push jimmy into full on BB saul goodman, as it seems like he's still pretty apprehensive about this whole plot him and kim got going on |
MrSirLordGentleman
04.28.22 | I feel that either Howard or Kim will have an important role in Jimmy's future (post BB). And the one of the two who doesnt will be the one with a terrible ending |
Slex
04.28.22 | Yeah it's a delicate situation with Kim, she's so beloved, is killing her too predictable, etc. Literally cannot wait to find out |
g40st
04.28.22 | I can safely say that Gilligan and Co. should be given a blank check from any streaming service / network for whatever show they decide to do next. |
AlexKzillion
05.03.22 | can't help but feel this episode may have opened up some plot holes/inconsistencies with breaking bad. mainly, saul's connection to the cartel is now the worst kept secret in albuquerque but in BB the DEA somehow doesn't really pick up on it until its too late.
also if gus's house(s) are under constant surveillance, wouldn't all of this stuff have been found after his death in BB, presumably with footage of walt pulling up to gus's house with a gun, eating dinner with gus etc. which would have helped the DEA figure out about walt's involvement way faster? |
onionbubs
05.03.22 | eh kinda but neither here nor there the dea are kinda fuckin morons in breaking bad anyway. if there was any degree of realism to the show whatsoever the investigation of all the missing equipment from the chem lab woulda been much further looked at given the degree of what was missing and how serious they claimed to take their jobs, which would have eventually been connected to walt instead of simply the janitor "who happened to have pot on his record" lmfao.
also despite saul representing lalo for truly heinous shit it didnt rlly have to do w drugs plus was 5 years before the events of breaking bad so id assume that just kinda fed into the "criminal lawyer" image instead of an "oh shit this dude is connected to gus" kinda thing, also helped by him having no contact w gus. a competent dea coulda maybe connected those dots but i can see how the bb dea wouldnt
even w all of that i wasnt as into this episode as the rest of the season so far but idk the last episode is for my money the peak of the whole show/universe so eh. it has been kinda hard for me to get invested in this "howard sabotage" plot ngl but we'll see where they take it |
Ryus
05.03.22 | i have a feeling the howard thing is gonna get wrapped up very soon and we're gonna move forward in time significantly |
Trebor.
05.03.22 | This episode was a stone cold 10/10 bro Kim is the best character of all time |
onionbubs
05.03.22 | kim do be incredible and the best part of the episode for sure, particularly in that scene where we see her and mike together for the first time |
Rowan5215
05.04.22 | this episode was kinda a snooze but yeah Kim and Mike meeting for the first time legit gave me chills
Rhea did a great job directing the whole thing too |
AlexKzillion
05.04.22 | I think this is where the tables kinda turned for Jimmy and Kim. Jimmy gets iced out of the court house, cashes in on his new reputation and goes all in on Saul. Kim unexpectedly gets Cliff to bite on her pro-bono idea or whatever, and later is completely disarmed by Mike's all-knowingness. Thinking Kim starts to back out of the Howard plotting as Jimmy becomes as motivated as ever to keep pushing it |
Rowan5215
05.10.22 | show is kinda... totally losing me with this Howard arc
that boxing scene was laughably bad, man wtf |
AlexKzillion
05.10.22 | Yeah ngl I'm starting to get lost too hahahaha. At least Lalo is back |
onionbubs
05.10.22 | i didnt find the boxing scene thaaaat bad but it wasnt great either so i feel you |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.10.22 | I actually likd the boxing scene. It was silly but very fitting for the relationship between Jimmy and Howard, I'd even say it was satisfactory. If anything I'm only sad that this didn't end things between them, which means Howard will probably get a worse ending
On another note, I really enjoy paranoid Gus. Weaker and more human. We've seen glimpses of it before, but now he seems to be more scared than ever |
Rowan5215
05.10.22 | I'm not gonna lie it might be the worst scene in either show at least I'm struggling to think of anything else. maybe the dumbass plane crash in bb s2 but that's about it
Lalo back is a blessing but it also kinda drove home how weirdly paced this season has been. three whole episodes without the dude and in that time he just... went to Germany? bit of a letdown lmao |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.10.22 | The way I see it is it works better that way. It shows how menacing he is with the focus of these episodes being not so much Lalo but the fear of Lalo and how it mentally affects the cast. Mental breakdowns are more interesting than just a shooting imo (though we'll obviously get a climax to all of this)
It's how in horror games you have the cheap ones consisting of nothing but jumpscares and monsters chasing you, versus the psychological horror ones in which you shit your pants at the danger of something that isn't even there
|
onionbubs
05.10.22 | there is definitely stuff in bb that i like less than the boxing scene but it is pretty subpar for bcs standards |
Trebor.
05.10.22 | That was the worst episode of the season but it was still good |
brainmelter
05.10.22 | Iâm just finally catching up on the previous season that got added to Netflix, commenting now for later |
DoofDoof
05.10.22 | Two pretty uneventful episodes but the characters are enough to keep it engaging, the cast are looking a lot older than at the start of BB now. I mean Gus looks like heâs going to give birth to a 50 piece tenders bucket any second |
WatchItExplode
05.10.22 | I lost track of every thing that happened in the show other than Jimmy's brother being a crazy prick. Got two episodes into last season before I realized I had already seen it. Couple years off sure hurts a show like this |
LeddSledd
05.17.22 | damn we're really starting to see the corruption of Kim by this point. on my toes to see what she and Jimmy have in store for "D-Day"
also I feel bad for Kasper, I knew the second that Lalo appeared on screen he was done for :[ |
Dewinged
05.17.22 | just started watching, i'm hooked already |
Rowan5215
05.17.22 | oh man dewi it gets so much better my man, just wait
this episode was a bit better but yeah ready for them to pump the acceleration pedal again already |
GreyShadow
05.17.22 | the past 2 were def slower but still great. it's almost d-day boys, shit is going DOWN |
AlexKzillion
05.17.22 | I think these last three or so episodes would function better during a binge
Not that I'm complaining as I love this universe but its obvious at this point that they didn't need this many episodes to tell the story they're trying to tell |
onionbubs
05.17.22 | yeah its hard to really appreciate all this build up until we see where it actually goes, especially coming down from the high of what i think is the shows best episode |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.17.22 | I mean, it has always been like this though
Remember that Breaking Bad didn't become super popular until its third or fourth season because the first two were "slow and boring". BB and BCS have always been about great build ups. Without them, the climaxes wouldn't be as impressive for me |
onionbubs
05.17.22 | yea true, altho i do feel like this season has been a little more sloppy about it especially compared to earlier seasons of this show. i think its largely bc this "sabatoge howard" arc has been kinda dumb and hard to for me to get behind but we'll see what happens next week ig |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.17.22 | If anything it frustrates me more because of Jimmy and Kim than Howard himself. I back up most of their shenanigans but it surprises me that someone like Jimmy (who unlike Walt, still has a heart inside him) and Kim (who is smart as fuck) don't realize how far they're going with Howard. Give the poor guy the peace he deserves
Although I suppose in Kim's case, this episode's backstory just shows that she's been broken the whole time |
AlexKzillion
05.17.22 | Her making that u-turn and basically throwing away her dream to fix the the now botched howard plot was... uhhhh... yeah this aint gonna end well for her |
TalonsOfFire
05.18.22 | Man this season is shaping up to be my least favorite so far, uneven with so little happening outside of this silly Howard scam plot. Only great parts were a couple short scenes of Nacho. The last 2 eps are in the bottom 5 of the series for me atm.
I used to feel apprehensive thinking season 5 was lesser than the previous 3 and ended so abruptly, especially with a 2 year gap from then to now, but feel even more emboldened in my opinion that seasons 2-4 are the best, with 3 being #1.
It's all great of course, but I feel like that brilliance shown most in 2-4 and a few eps of 5. I'm confident the last few eps of 6 will be amazing tho. Hopefully a lot will be spent with Saul in NE. Things not looking good for Kim... |
Deez
05.18.22 | Yeah agreed , Finding it, even for BCS, Painfully slow and uneventful, man |
Trebor.
05.18.22 | I don't agree at all. Plot is always secondary to me anyway but I feel like they're building up to something that will recontectualize what we've seen so far this season |
Rowan5215
05.18.22 | *gus voice* last few episodes have been... acceptable |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.18.22 | While I love BCS and BB's plot, what always drew me to them and made me see them as master pieces were direction and cinematography and they are top notch as always |
onionbubs
05.18.22 | this season is tonally and quality wise inconsistent as hell but i still cannot stop thinking about episode 3. masterclass shit
more i sit with it the more im inclined to point to that boxing match as the low point of the series wtf was that lmao. insane that both the best and worst moments of the show happened two episodes apart |
AlexKzillion
05.18.22 | Next episode is the mid-season finally right? |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.18.22 | yup |
AlexKzillion
05.18.22 | We been on mid-season break since after ep3 tho đđđ
Jk but this episode was def to slow for me and I thought 4 and 5 were fine |
TalonsOfFire
05.18.22 | Sure the direction and cinematography are always great but I havenât been less engaged in the story since maybe the middle of season 1 before the Mike episode, when it was slow and I didnât know where it was going. Hopefully the mid-season finale will be a show stopper. |
RunOfTheMill
05.18.22 | It's definitely building up to be @Talons |
onionbubs
05.24.22 | jesus christ |
deathschool
05.24.22 | Dude. Okay. This is spoilers territory because I stayed out of this thread until tonight. I donât remember if it was here, but I fucking called it. I knew someone was going to kill Howard. |
Deez
05.24.22 | Well that's that ruined |
deathschool
05.24.22 | Well, you read the whole thing after I said spoilers territory |
Deez
05.24.22 | I thought you were complaining about the thread being spoilers territory hahah
Didnt even think the new Episodes where out till Tuesday |
GreyShadow
05.24.22 | mid season finale was one of the best episodes in the bb universe. right under Chicanery if not better tbh |
Trebor.
05.24.22 | What a fucking gut punch
Those screams at the end sounded so real |
GreyShadow
05.24.22 | absolutely brutal. the genuine fear at that moment was already too much. Kim at least knew he was alive but i felt the full shock of ptsd in jimmy's face when he showed up
i hope we've clarified this is a spoiler thread cuz if not...sorry |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.24.22 | holy shit that climax
poor Howard was done so dirty in this series |
LeddSledd
05.24.22 | holy fuck
I feel so bad for Howard |
Rowan5215
05.24.22 | man. I have no sympathy for Saul and Kim left, absolutely none. hope the writers were intending to make them absolutely despicable cos it sure as shit worked
rip howie |
GreyShadow
05.24.22 | god, seeing comments like that hurts my soul for the two soulless individuals
i love Kim too much. but just wow, this shit was more than too far. |
Rowan5215
05.24.22 | in the span of six episodes Kim went from my favourite character in this whole universe to like slightly above the Nazis in terms of absolute despicableness lmao |
onionbubs
05.24.22 | yeah the days of me rooting for jimmy and kim are looooong gone. howards final monologue spoke nothing but the truth. they are both monsters now |
Trebor.
05.24.22 | Can't believe we're down 3 main characters at this point |
Rowan5215
05.24.22 | Lalo is the most likable lead character left on this show lmao. wild shit indeed |
onionbubs
05.24.22 | honestly think i agree with that which has been a lot to wrap my head around lmao
like on one hand lalo is horrifying and did j kill my man howie but at least that kinda cold blooded behavior has always been like the norm for him and hes still a charmer through and through. i guess its j easier for me to deal with a character thats always been a monster vs two formerly profoundly human characters that have now completely lost any traces of their souls |
MrSirLordGentleman
05.24.22 | I feel like Kim might be more similar to Walt as a protagonist than Jimmy is. Jimmy has done terrible stuff but he's always been in this gray area instead of being pure evil for the sake of it. There's always been remorse to his actions. What happened to Howard will probably haunt him for the rest of his life
Kim on the other hand does all of these schemes for the sake of it, she enjoys the thrill. Unlike Jimmy who gets his hands dirty when he sees no other way around it, Kim just does it because she likes it. Afterall, it was Kim who convinced Jimmy to continue on to make Howards' life miserable. Without Kim, Jimmy wouldnt've have agreed on something like this which screwed up the grannys at Sandpiper for which he did care about
In the end it was Kim who was a bad influence to Jimmy instead of the other way around as one might have believed at the start of the series |
GreyShadow
05.24.22 | ya'll see "i can fix him" - says woman who is worse meme with kim and jimmy? that shit kills me |
AlexKzillion
05.24.22 | At least howard got a killer fucking monologue |
TalonsOfFire
05.25.22 | What an episode, one of the best of the series and kinda makes the previous few eps a bit better on retrospect. The dynamic and development of Saul and especially Kim is so nuanced and complex, I love it. I didnât feel that bad for Howard up until Lalo showed up and I was like oh no, heâs a goner. What a way to end it. Kinda wanna rewatch the whole show now, have only seen them once. |
GreyShadow
05.25.22 | id love to rewatch before it comes back. especially to fill the void. idk if I have that time though |
Ryus
06.10.22 | i was abroad but i finally saw the last few episodes and damn it was wild. vince and co do a great job of making things exciting/horrifying even if its pretty clear what direction things are going in. rip howard |
parksungjoon
06.10.22 | better call sean paul > |
DoofDoof
06.10.22 | Howard getting killed that casually reminded me of Ozark last series where Ruthâs brother gets killed for being in the wrong place wrong time - âI donât even know who you areâ bang |
Trebor.
06.10.22 | Except that show sux |
LeddSledd
06.11.22 | #slippinjimmysweep |
Rowan5215
06.14.22 | hope y'all are watching Barry cos it is showing up BCS pretty hard this season lmao |
hasan
06.14.22 | call saul he does the law on the show TV Saul |
Rowan5215
07.12.22 | THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHOW |
Ryus
07.12.22 | kind of a weaker episode tbh. the first ~15 minutes were great but the lalo-gus confrontation was inevitable and felt a little anticlimactic. still great of course but i think the next few episodes are gonna be way more interesting imo. |
Gyromania
07.12.22 | Ozark is def a great show, despite the last season being disappointing.
Haven't seen Barry but I've heard good things. I'm excited to sit down to this but I'm more excited to see the new season of The Boys |
onionbubs
07.12.22 | barry is amazing
point and shoot was fuckin phenomenal. one of the best in the series |
GreyShadow
07.13.22 | Gus looking shaken af made the Lao confrontation
and so did Lalo tbh
right up there with Plan and Execution as peak TV. what a draining episode. I'd imagine the focus is going to be on Jimmy/Kim for the last 5 |
Trebor.
07.13.22 | Barry is fantastic but BCS is something else
My heart breaks every time I see Howard |
Gyromania
07.13.22 | howard is the most tragic character in the show tbh. like one of the only legitimately good people |
MO
07.13.22 | poor howard. the writers did him so dirty |
Rowan5215
07.13.22 | this was one of the best episodes of the show imo. Rhea killed it, Tony killed it, they finally gave Giancarlo a note to play other than "nervously OCD", the direction was fantastic
gonna be really interesting to see what fills the episodes from now. a few episodes of Gene is looking likely |
beefshoes
07.13.22 | "My heart breaks every time I see Howard"
This. Haven't been that jolted by a show in a good while, and man, what a great episode yesterday. |
MrSirLordGentleman
07.18.22 | Awesome episode. It was obvious that Lalo was going down at some point but I didn't expect for Gus to be the one killing him
The initial scene of Howard's car on the beach has to be one my favorite in the series.
As much as you guys didn't seem to like it. The boxing scene from a few episodes ago feels almost like divine justice to me. Howard kicking Jimmy's ass, fair and square with the integrity that only he had. |
Ryus
07.18.22 | cant wait for tomorrows episode fellas gonna be a good one |
Slex
07.18.22 | Cannot wait ugh, got my days mixed up and was bummed tonite |
Rowan5215
07.18.22 | inb4 walt and jesse show up |
Rowan5215
07.19.22 | fucking hell that was sad |
Ryus
07.19.22 | for real. BB saul is a fucking husk of a man and for good reason |
Rowan5215
07.19.22 | that mighta been the saddest episode between both shows. even worse than watching a character die, watching one just get hollowed out completely |
LeddSledd
07.19.22 | God he has nothing. and now at the Cinnabon, he has less than nothing. really wanna see how they conclude his character arc. I can't see anything good happening |
GreyShadow
07.19.22 | 3 top tier episodes in a row.
that was so hard to watch |
Trebor.
07.19.22 | Homophobic fans when a character that has been gay for over ten years does something gay LIVE REACTION |
LeddSledd
07.19.22 | max and gus were simply roommates |
onionbubs
07.19.22 | man between the jimmy/kim stuff and the mike/papa varga stuff that was such a fuckin heartbreaking episode |
anat
07.19.22 | that episode was one of the greats |
Mort.
07.19.22 | 'Homophobic fans when a character that has been gay for over ten years does something gay LIVE REACTION'
huh? what is this referring to?
and yeah episode was very said |
Trebor.
07.19.22 | lost of comments like "wow, another show lost to the woke agenda" and "did we really need all that gay stuff?" |
Mort.
07.19.22 | yeah but what gay stuff are they referring to? did i black out at some point?
oh wait, gus talking to the somellier? it was barely even that gay |
Satellite
07.19.22 | this show is sticking the landing perfectly.
a dude who works in the sound dept dropped a major spoiler on me 2 minutes after meeting him and it only confirmed my belief that audio ppl are the scum of the earth. |
Mort.
07.19.22 | what a complete wanker
|
Satellite
07.19.22 | also imagine just now learning that gus is gay. |
Mort.
07.19.22 | honestly i never picked up on that, but im awful at that sort of stuff.
i also dont remember loads of about breaking bad except for some major plot points anymore so i dont know if it was implied/shown in that |
Ryus
07.19.22 | from what i remember i think i dont think it was ever mentioned in breaking bad. could be wrong though |
Satellite
07.19.22 | give the bb episode "hermanos" a re-watch. it's indirect but obvious that gus and max were lovers. max's death is the impetus for gus's desire for revenge. |
Ryus
07.19.22 | o word for some reason i thought that part was in bcs |
Trebor.
07.19.22 | Gus' entire motivation is based around the murder of Max. I always thought the relationship was pretty explicit. There was also that throwaway line in BB when Gus mentions to Walt he has a wife and kids but in BCS we see that's obviously a lie |
Satellite
07.19.22 | tbh my "imagine just now learning etc" comment is pretty dumb. it's subtle. |
onionbubs
07.19.22 | bcs has a few lines that are a bit more direct about it. at one point hector calls los pollos hermanos "the butt brothers" and lalo later straight up refers to max as gus's boyfriend |
Satellite
07.19.22 | also that extremely ornate sculpture or fountain (can't remember) dedicated to max by gus. |
LeddSledd
07.19.22 | the segment with Gus at the bar is a super interesting piece of characterization, i think. it's pretty clear he wants to open back up (his mention of the vintage wine being for a "special occasion" is a subtle invitation to the waiter back to his place) but again he forcibly isolates himself because this is the life he has chosen, and he doesn't want anyone close to him for fear of them being hurt by "the game", or he feels he must focus and finish the mission of revenge he has started, or both |
LeddSledd
07.19.22 | https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/359/092/7ce |
Mort.
07.19.22 | 'his mention of the vintage wine being for a "special occasion" is a subtle invitation to the waiter back to his place'
i totally missed this but people on reddit seem to back up this assertion
i found out i might be on the autistic spectrum recently so i guess its not surprising im missing subtle social cues |
Mort.
07.19.22 | 'the segment with Gus at the bar is a super interesting piece of characterization'
and yeh i thought it was the most interesting scene of the episode |
Trebor.
07.19.22 | The whole episode was about how different people cope and try to move on from trauma. Gus is able to forget about Max for a conversation or too, but once he's alone with his thoughts for more than five seconds it comes crashing back
Loved the scene with Mike and Nacho's dad. Mike tries to assure him that revenge is coming and will help, which is what Mike did with his own son, but Nacho's dad knows that shit doesn't help |
outliers
07.19.22 | phew just finished the last episode. truly heartbreaking all around. im gonna gave to go play with my dog or something |
Mort.
07.19.22 | 'Loved the scene with Mike and Nacho's dad. Mike tries to assure him that revenge is coming and will help, which is what Mike did with his own son, but Nacho's dad knows that shit doesn't help'
i did love that scene, but i will say that the whole 'thats not justice, thats revenge' schtick is one of the most overplayed beats in the gangster/crime genre (sorry if its not technically a beat you get what i mean though)
it was completely justified and made sense in this context but i still get a little bit bored when it comes up |
outliers
07.20.22 | the scene with mike and nachos father was prolly my favorite scene of the series so far. Two fathers who both lost sons on literal opposite sides of the fence ie the game. was obvious mike was was also referencing his son with the "he wasn't like them, he had good heart"line |
Trebor.
07.20.22 | Mike is so depressed he can't even enjoy his baseball and PBR |
Rowan5215
07.20.22 | Mike knows that he's become the exact kind of criminal he used to despise and that he's working for a man who fundamentally is no better than the Salamancas. that last look between him and Gus as the door closed was so charged with meaning, there's no mutual respect left between them at all |
Gyromania
07.20.22 | waiting until the whole season is out before i watch so i'm avoiding reading the thread. i just wanna know if it's good |
outliers
07.20.22 | it good |
Deez
07.20.22 | a dude who works in the sound dept dropped a major spoiler on me 2 minutes after meeting him and it only confirmed my belief that audio ppl are the scum of the earth.'
I opened this thread not realising what day it was and got the Howard spoiler. Killer. |
Deez
07.20.22 | p.s Fantastic episode ya |
anat
07.20.22 | still reeling over how good that episode was, just very well executed television |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | I really like Point and Shoot, one of the most thrilling and well executed episodes of the series, which is saying something. Fun and Games was interesting but not one of the best or anything. Not sure the whole Gus thing was necessary with so little time left in the series to wrap everything up, and the whole episode was paced weird, maybe a bit rushed? The last like 10 minutes were pretty great tho, makes me really curious where the next ep will go and how much time will be spent in NE. Imagine if Kim just doesnât show up again and thatâs that for her, where she gets to escape all this with her life and is able to simply move on like that. It would be a subversive, bold move from the writers given all the dramatic fan theories and worries about her dying. |
anat
07.20.22 | it's been an excellent series full stop, but i just think fun and games reframes a lot of characters and drills down into the sad realisation that there's a bit of walter in all of them, ie. trying in vain to justify actions as being for a greater good but ultimately the nefarious deeds are all carried out selfishly
beyond that, i think the episode avoided the normal pitfall of prequel or past-timeline storytelling, and the jump cut to BB-era saul was a bold, impactful choice
much as i was shellshocked after plan and execution, fun and games left me with a much larger pit in my stomach |
EphemeralEternity
07.20.22 | Is this the best series in modern tv? I need to know whether to invest 60 hours that could otherwise be spent apathetically browsing reddit and halfheartedly masturbating |
jpturk21
07.20.22 | This is indeed what's best on tv right now, if you liked Breaking Bad, there is no way you won't love this show. |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | BB is without question the best series ever made, and BCS is somewhere in the top 10. Better get some Emmy wins.
Good points anat. Was an interesting episode for sure. It was a quick detail but on Saulâs license plate in the flash forward it says Nov 05 or something like that, which means weâre still 3 years away from BB. I thought: only 4 eps left, and heâs just now full-on Saul Goodman and weâre still that far away from catching up?
Tho that ending may just be establishing that thatâs his lifestyle from now on, with no life events/changes until meeting Walt and Jesse. |
onionbubs
07.20.22 | ngl i like this show a lot more than breaking bad |
Rowan5215
07.20.22 | it is far far better lol |
Ryus
07.20.22 | ya i prob like it better as well. its in my top 10 for sure |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | Yâall entitled to ur wacky opinions |
Rowan5215
07.20.22 | it's becoming the majority opinion based on most of the discussion I see on here, reddit, av club and other sites lol. but it's w/e both good |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | Ok but people who spend all their time discussing things on the internet is not representative of majority opinion by any means. Looking at ratings is a little more accurate of how most people actually feel about something, whereas comments and discussing represents like less than 10%, js. |
Ryus
07.20.22 | breaking bad is fun but as a character driven drama i think bcs is stronger |
anat
07.20.22 | ratings are ass, BB episode 'fly' is proof of that |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | I guess Iâm outing myself as a normie who loves BB more then BCS and thinking Fly is not one of the best eps at all XD
Much as I love BCS and Saul as a character, I actually see his transformation as being very similar to Walter White, almost too much so at times.
Chuck being around was when the show most distinguished itself, which is why I feel seasons 2-4 are best. |
Ryus
07.20.22 | bcs also benefits from having the most interesting and developed relationship which is jimmy and kimâs. kim is a way better secondary character than anyone in breaking bad |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | I think Jesse has a pretty incredible transformation over BBâs run, but yeah Kim is one of my favorite TV characters. Another issue is just the standard prequel one with a lack of tension or surprises because we know how most of the characters end up (Mike, Gus, all the Salamancas, can surmise other characters not in BB will probably die and many have), tho at least with this the two main charactersâ ultimate fates are still unknown. A lot of prequels are pointless, but this one obviously isnât and lives up to BB. |
Rowan5215
07.20.22 | my humble opinion is that ratings don't mean shit these days. actual TV numbers are basically useless because everyone streams/torrents/rips shit these days (and AMC+ is the worst app of all time so torrenting for BCS is probably pretty high). and review ratings are artifically inflated or deflated by so many factors it's not really worth getting into
Breaking Bad puts so much stock into giving us these Big Moments TM that rewatching it can feel a little empty as you know all the big twists already and there is some... lacking character work inbetween those. BCS has already held up much better and will keep doing so because the character work is miles better, the cinematography and editing is fuckin bonkers good, there's no dumbass entirely skippable arcs like the plane crash bs, etc |
Mort.
07.20.22 | yeah rewatching breaking bad is incredibly difficult for the reasons you mentioned rowan. really feels like it drags |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | Yeah I just donât agree. When I rewatched BB it was just as thrilling as the first time and actually dragged less because I knew where things were heading. Also thereâs just as much character development, if not more. I mean all the characters go through huge changes throughout the series. |
beefshoes
07.20.22 | I'm rewatching BB for the first time since 2013 and I'm inclined to agree with Talons, though I probably prefer BCS overall. |
onionbubs
07.20.22 | ima hard [2] everything rowbro said. i j tried rewatching brba a few weeks ago when i finished rewatching this and i did not make it far. the big moments lack a good amount of punch for me when i already knew what happened and everything in between was pretty monotonous. the characters go through plenty of stuff sure but its nowhere near the scope of what the writers put the bcs characters through development wise and even outside of that they j arent as likeable or entertaining imo outside of maybe jesse |
outliers
07.20.22 | BB > BCS cause I said so |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | Imo BB is the widely popular show cause itâs more thrilling and dire with bigger stakes. BCS is a more internally focused, comedic, quirky, and slow moving story with heavy legal drama stuff, especially in the first couple seasons which got a bit much, and is overall smaller scale. I love both approaches to this world as do many, and itâs just down to personal preference which is superior. I think anyone who says one is way way better or worse than the other is mistaken, cause theyâre definitely close in quality. I havenât watched BB in a while so I donât fully remember in comparison to how depthful Saul is with the characters. Iâd imagine BCS is a more casually laid back, enjoyable watch than BB despite how melancholic it gets at times and the gangster storylines. |
Slex
07.20.22 | BCS is better
I also think it is harder to watch than BB because I didn't give a fuck about Walt lol |
outliers
07.20.22 | if BCS came out first and breaking bad was airing now, everyone would be saying BB is better tbh |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | Thatâs another thing, recency bias and liking the fresh new thing having gotten used to what came first. |
onionbubs
07.20.22 | meh maybe for some but i only saw both for the first time last year so my perspective is about as fresh and new for both bar these last bcs episodes these last few months |
Slex
07.20.22 | I do think there is some recency bias but another reason I personally think BCS is better is the chance to know these characters from BB, so yeah any answer is the right answer tbh |
TalonsOfFire
07.20.22 | The right answer is that both shows are amazing for different reasons. I look forward to rewatching both back to back and El Camino, after next month when BCS is concluded, cause this is the best long form story ever made probably. |
RunOfTheMill
07.26.22 | We finally got a Gene episode but a bit filler-y
3 years of tension about the cab driver for this lol, but honestly it was a great episode |
Rowan5215
07.26.22 | ....huh. they made some choices on this one |
Trebor.
07.26.22 | MCU enjoyers when a BCS episode doesn't have an explosion in it |
Rowan5215
07.26.22 | cmon dawg, it was beautifully shot, but you can't seriously tell me you didn't want to climb the walls watching this following after the last 3. felt like the first time this show was more in love with a montage/scam for its own sake i instead of using one to tell us about its characters
still better than the episode with the boxing match |
Ryus
07.26.22 | feel like they kinda wrote themselves into a corner a bit with the jeff thing and jimmy choosing to take matters into his own hands instead of vacuum cleanering himself again. it was a solid episode tho |
Rowan5215
07.26.22 | not really surprised considering these writers literally don't plan anything out and are constantly writing themselves into corners. they've been surprisingly good at making it look effortless but you can't nail it every time
the mutually assured destruction reveal was pretty good tho just took a long ass time to get there lol |
GreyShadow
07.26.22 | i looooooove how they shoot these scams and watching the lengths Jimmy will go. very happy with this episode. these guys are so good at creating tension, no matter the scale. |
onionbubs
07.26.22 | not as good as the seasons absurd peaks but i still liked this one quite a bit. jeff always seemed like he had a ceiling as far as how much they could do w him anyway so im ok w the scam/montage not being all that much more than that, plus after the soul crushing last episode it kinda hit hard seeing little bits of jimmy/sauls personality finally make their way to genes surface
also gotta say im pretty stoked that i have absolutely no fuckin clue whats gonna happen in these last 3 episodes lmao |
Ryus
07.26.22 | real talk i miss the old jeff though he had a super unique vibe |
MO
07.26.22 | solid episode. we'll see if they build off it or if it was a one off but I enjoyed it. it's hard to maintain the quality this season has been putting out so it's nice to come down a bit |
RunOfTheMill
07.26.22 | @Ryus I didnât recognize Jeff when he walked into the house, really confused me at first |
anat
07.26.22 | âafter all this, a happy endingâ |
beefshoes
07.27.22 | Given the context of just how crushing the last few episodes have been, this one was perfect and gave much needed comic relief. It was absolutely hilarious, yet also quite tense. |
TalonsOfFire
07.31.22 | After that I think this is the most inconsistent season of the show. Thereâs no momentum really for the last eps, but the good thing is itâs nice to not have any idea whatâs coming next. |
Slex
07.31.22 | Absolutely loved Nippy, fun and strange and lovely |
artiswar
07.31.22 | Yeah I miss the old Jeff too, that actor gave me the absolute creeps, it was fantastic, but this new actor did a great job as well. It was a great slow burn episode |
artiswar
07.31.22 | Jeff #1 was a deadringer for Mark Pellegrino imo |
DoofDoof
07.31.22 | Gene episode was worth the build up imo |
TalonsOfFire
08.02.22 | Pretty interesting episode, a bit better than the last one. Still have no idea where itâs going and nothings really blowing me away tho. Really want to know what happened on the phone that freaked him out so much. |
onionbubs
08.02.22 | not one of the better episodes imo. lotta the criticisms ppl had towards nippy i kinda had towards this and now that ive seen how they worked em in i didnt rlly feel like the show needed walt/jesse |
Slex
08.02.22 | Nippy was better
The acting in the new one was so good tho |
GreyShadow
08.02.22 | i dont think walt/jesse were poorly utilized, even if it wasn't the most necessary "hey let's bring these guys back!"
good ep still, even if Nippy was better. The phone call and then seeing Jimmy go full breaking bad were the highlights |
Slex
08.02.22 | Friggin Cranston NAILED it unsurprisingly, it was literally like it was something that had been filmed back then
I love Aaron Paul and Jesse very much but it's like someone has Space Jam'd his acting ability post-BB |
Rowan5215
08.02.22 | much better than nippy thank fuck
paul felt a bit off true, doesn't help that he seems to have aged 20 years since el camino lol
every episode schnauz directs is a masterclass visually, gd he's great |
anat
08.02.22 | I think these last 4 episodes will retroactively be treated as one extended finale, Iâm thoroughly enjoying myself with it and am spellbound by the intrigue
I kinda regret that the cameos were known about tho |
Rowan5215
08.02.22 | honestly was more hyped to see mike one last time (???) than the other 2 |
artiswar
08.02.22 | I'm not sure how I felt about the ep. It was nice seeing so many familiar faces again, but it almost felt like a low-stakes Season 1 episode which was weird.
Though I'm sure things will get a lot crazier from here on out. |
Slex
08.02.22 | Looking at it as one big finale is a cool thought, I could see that |
TalonsOfFire
08.02.22 | Sure hope so, cause these last two eps seem like they belong back in season 1.
Walt, Jesse, and Mike coming back may have been pointless, but it was a nice way to remind about the parallels between both Walt and Saulâs overall storylines and life choices like I said earlier.
Their respective arcs and descent into criminal activity are similar, not having to but doing it all out of ego and to make $, but portrayed differently with their personalities.
Walt ended up alienated from everyone and dying while the police came, but will Saul be able to overcome and survive, find some semblance of peace either with or without Kim, or will he succumb to his worst instincts like Walt⌠|
RunOfTheMill
08.02.22 | It's pretty on the nose, but there's a theme of addiction and how it has led to the downfalls of his previous personas. The way he can't help himself with the scams, the thrill, the whatifs.
With Jimmy, it ended when Howard got killed and Kim broke up with him.
With Saul, it ended when he got involved with Walter and that blew up in his face.
With Gene, it really makes me curious as to what he's going to find in that house, but again you can see that he absolutely can't help himself and let this one go, and we know how that's gotten him burned in the past. The way the flashback scene where he goes to Walter's school and then it cuts to him approaching the cancer patient's house is so foreboding. |
anat
08.02.22 | the BB cameos were far from pointless, they established a pretty major plot point for both series in that saul was the driving force that took walt from amateur to kingpin |
TalonsOfFire
08.02.22 | Heâs definitely spiraling. His insistence on robbing that guy with terminal cancer even with his cohorts not into it seems like a twisted way for him to feel like he has some control now, probably still traumatized from letting Walt ruin his life and feeling stupid for having felt bad for him for a while when he learned he had terminal lung cancer, shown in that flashback with Mike. |
Colton
08.02.22 | solid episode but 42 year old Aaron Paul playing 20 year old Jesse just does not work anymore, even in black and white, low lighting and with a hat on |
Slex
08.02.22 | Beyond the look, his performance was completely off; Jesse during that time in BB was tweaked out, way more hyper and way more immature |
Colton
08.02.22 | yeah but in that scene he had been stuck in the RV for a while and might not have been high right? but even still, his voice just sounds way different |
Colton
08.02.22 | it's kind of unfortunate cause his performance in BB is one of the best acting performances I've ever seen, outshines Cranston imo |
Slex
08.02.22 | I dunno about that but yeah his initial performance is absolutely phenomenal, one hit wonder I guess : / |
protokute
08.02.22 | season feels off indeed |
Slex
08.02.22 | Found out that the convo between Jimmy and Kim is actually audible in the German dub lol, the dialogue is floating around out there |
artiswar
08.02.22 | next episode is written and directed by Vince Gilligan so the hype is off the charts |
Colton
08.02.22 | I thought he at least partially wrote all of them. if not, that's good that he has such a good team of writers. bodes well for his next project |
artiswar
08.02.22 | I did think it was extremely odd that after such a massive hit like BB under his belt, and basically having a blank cheque to make whatever passion project he wants, he chose to go with a BB prequel |
Colton
08.02.22 | thatâs not odd, the world was already established so it was probably easy to think of ideas for a prequel and itâs immediately appealing to the BB viewerbase |
artiswar
08.02.22 | I just expected him to go in a totally different direction with something ambitious |
anat
08.02.22 | I rolled my eyes when the prequel was announced, now itâs my fave show of all time |
Colton
08.02.22 | Iâm sure heâll do something different with the next one but hard to say what. itâs gotta be something involving crime somehow, but something drug related would be too similar to BB, and cop shows are pretty played out |
artiswar
08.02.22 | The Wire is my fave show, but it did surprise me how good this show turned out considering I usually hate prequels. |
onionbubs
08.02.22 | j finished the wire like 2 days ago. ruled but idk how high i can rank it yet. s5 fumbled the bag a bit |
artiswar
08.02.22 | omg yeah, S5 sucked. It had a great concept, but they fumbled it. Such a shame cause the first 4 seasons are unimpeachable |
onionbubs
08.02.22 | i wouldnt say it sucked esp since the street part of the plot is always solid but the serial killer plotline is exactly as dumb as everyone says it is and a really weak arc for a final season
s4 tho now that was a hell of a season of tv |
artiswar
08.02.22 | It sucked by The Wire standards. I didn't even mind the serial killer stuff, I just hated how a lot of the characters were resolved or killed off. A lot of the deaths felt forced and contrived to me. Also the newsroom plot was really slow and lacked compelling characters. Season 1 is still my fave, followed by 4. |
Slex
08.02.22 | The newsroom plot sucked bad lol |
Rowan5215
08.02.22 | Aaron Paul is not a one hit wonder lol wtf. his voice acting in Bojack was way better than his performance in Breaking Bad anyway. it was always gonna be weird to watch him play a 20yo in his forties that's not a fault of poor acting |
Colton
08.02.22 | yeah I don't think he did a bad job, I just think he failed to capture the energy of the original Jesse character. but he played that character like 15 years ago so I don't blame him |
Colton
08.02.22 | "his voice acting in Bojack was way better than his performance in Breaking Bad anyway"
I've never seen that show but this seems like a weird statement/comparison. comparing acting to just voice acting is like comparing a video to a picture |
artiswar
08.02.22 | Bojack is a great show and Aaron did a great job, but in no way is it a better performance than in BB. His character on Bojack is mostly comic relief |
DoofDoof
08.02.22 | I preferred season 5 of The Wire to season 4 but itâs all good shit
Iâd say season 3 was my favourite and Season 2 is underrated
Iâm enjoying these last few episodes of BCS but it feels like there still needs to be a revelatory big pay off rather than a fade out :/ |
Gyromania
08.02.22 | I think the last ep where they robbed that clothing store was rly w.e honestly and I hope this episode is much better |
artiswar
08.02.22 | S5 > S4
I've never heard that scorching hot take before Doof |
Gyromania
08.02.22 | "thatâs not odd, the world was already established so it was probably easy to think of ideas for a prequel and itâs immediately appealing to the BB viewerbase"
Gotta agree with this. It was a calculated choice. If anything it helps him gain even more respect and he'll probably have many more viewers for his next project |
DoofDoof
08.02.22 | artiswar - it might have something to do with me watching season 5 about six years after finishing season 4. Iâll admit the plot of S5 surrounding McNulty is insanity but itâs just great, Daniels getting out of the lift with him and that perfect âto be continuedâ lol
maybe I was mourning Stringer too much when I watched S4, dunno |
onionbubs
08.02.22 | stringer ruled but the arrival of michael, randy and dukie more than made up for his absence (despite filling a completely different hole in the series)
and i disagree bout the character arc endings (outside of the bpd at least). high death toll ya but given who marlo is i dont think they coulda done it another way, plus the way they wrapped up omars character is one of the most shocking things ive ever seen on tv and i still cant stop thinkin about it lol |
Colton
08.02.22 | Howard's death was more shocking than Omar's |
onionbubs
08.02.22 | yea absolutely. notice the wording "one of"
an apples and bowling balls comparison if ive ever seen one lmao |
Colton
08.02.22 | ? |
Deez
08.02.22 | Chrissy on sopranos the worst shocker for me especially how it happens.
'Aaron Paul is not a one hit wonder'
Honestly for how bad Westworld dropped the ball after s1, Ive enjoyed this season and hes been superb in it. |
Slex
08.02.22 | I forgot about Bojack, that is a silly statement and his role as Jesse is much more impressive but he is fantastic in Bojack. However, he was truly truly awful in The Path and he has been pretty damn mediocre in Westworld. Maybe he just needs better writers, but I still think his performance in the BCS episode was bad
Also hot take, Season 2 of The Wire is the best one
Edit: oops didn't read yr comment Deez, is season 4 actually better than 2 and 3? |
onionbubs
08.02.22 | "?"
if ya want like a real answer its bc the stakes for both characters throughout the show are so different. on paper its not rlly a surprise that omar gets popped bc hes in the game and esp since he was such a feared name on the streets, but its absolutely a shocker when you see how it happens. howie also goes down via an absolutely unforeseen turn of events but its all the more unexpected given he had no adjacency to the game whatsoever. altho idk why i typed all that out since i think we agree on this lol but like both can be shocking ya feel |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Jimmy is honestly such a piece of shit and Kim isn't much better. That last ep was good but I'm still waiting for something huge to happen. The Walter and Jesse appearance seemed somewhat shoehorned in but maybe they return again at some point in the last two eps. Also Aaron Paul seemed noticeably older, anyone else notice this? Something about his voice seemed weird to me |
Colton
08.03.22 | agree with that onionbubs |
Colton
08.03.22 | @gyro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28LSwIJ9fg |
Mort.
08.03.22 | yeah aaron paul is noticeably older and his voice has changed. cranston was perfect, i imagine he wont ever forget how to do walt
been loving the cinematography the last few episodes |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Colton: uh huh right, except that he doesn't really sound much older in his other roles, nor did he look or sound noticeably aged in El Camino which came out what, two and a half years ago? |
Mort.
08.03.22 | it rarely works when colton tries to be a smartass |
Colton
08.03.22 | that was the perfect context to link that video and you know it |
Colton
08.03.22 | also worth noting that Cranston has been 40 since high school https://twitter.com/historyinpics/status/648218121971593217 |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | I mean if he had been like 13 in BB then yeah I'd say good roast lmao, he obv hit a growth spurt. Not the case tho. Idk maybe he had a cold or something when they did filming |
Colton
08.03.22 | L |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | I love the contradictions in Jimmy's character. Dude roasts one of his partners in crime as being "amateur" for having a moral compass, and then he proceeds to break the glass in the door to the guy's house, something an amateur would do since now he'll know there was a break-in |
MO
08.03.22 | "Also Aaron Paul seemed noticeably older, anyone else notice this?"
lol how is this a sticking point or gripe people are having. everyone gets older...you really think he's going to look and sound the same as in 2008? jeez people |
Mort.
08.03.22 | i think people are just surprised at the extent to which he is noticeably older
|
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Jfc he was in El Camino you fucking dunce, that was very recent. And it's not a gripe it's called an observation |
Colton
08.03.22 | it's not Aaron Paul it's just the fact that they added that to the show at all. it's already weird how a lot of the actors in BCS are noticeably older looking than they were in BB |
Colton
08.03.22 | lol gyro raging cause he didn't understand how aging works |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Yeah I wish the tech was good enough to de-age them, it is a bit jarring - more so for me because I rewatched all of BB and then all of BCS just recently |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Lol Colton you are trolling I am not taking the bait |
Colton
08.03.22 | ppl have de aged them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEKpeR6aN44 |
Colton
08.03.22 | I think they could have done it for flashback scenes, but for the whole show would probably be unnecessary |
Deez
08.03.22 | @slex
I didn't mind 2 as much as many seemed too even though it was all over the place, but considering how terrible S3 was I feel 4 has been a return to some kind of form for sure. Still nowhere near S1 of course but I'm surprisingly enjoying it after thinking I wouldnt bother.
Also felt this Walt/Jesse cameo was kinda forced, stuck out a bit and am waiting for something big to happen now rather than it fading out as well, I got faith. |
Colton
08.03.22 | did you guys know the actor for Tuco is 60 years old |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Yeah people did the de-ageing process for a few vids I've seen, but it prob isn't realistic to do for an entire show + it's likely very hard to make it look convincing. I'm still glad they went this route though because I can't imagine any of these characters being recast |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | 60 years? Damn he really doesn't look it to me |
anat
08.03.22 | those waiting for âsomething bigâ missed point and shoot, plan and execution
we are watching the epilogue |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Still hoping something big happens in the final couple episodes. Don't really need a 5 part epilogue; kind of reminds me of RDR2's epilogue that just wouldn't end |
anat
08.03.22 | itâs not that kind of show, how do you get all the way to the shows conclusion without understanding itâs always been a character study first and foremost
that saul instigated walts empire is a pretty big plot point, and the entire point of these last eps is that gene canât help himself slip back into saul
I donât know what big thing people need to happen like these last 2 eps havenât already revealed major details |
Colton
08.03.22 | Jeff's mom rats him out and he goes to jail |
Slex
08.03.22 | Yeah I haven't seen it here but the shit people say on Facebook, holy Jesus christ lmao, what show are they watching??? "Gus isn't gay, he was paranoid that wine was poisoned!!!"
"OH my god, Carol Burnett is going to be Kim's mom, and I bet SHE is the woman who conned Jimmy's dad!!" Why the fuck are people expecting egregiously stupid twists like that lmao |
Colton
08.03.22 | next episode will be a Kim episode most likely |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Anat: yes I am capable of understanding character development, the last couple EPs have just been a tad dry for me. Bit of a glacial pacing - by no means bad, but not incredibly engaging. I've seen a lot of people say, "It's the epilogue there isn't supposed to be a big moment" and I'm sry but these kind of arguments always confuse me, esp when it's a long epilogue. I do like things about the direction (particularly the cinematography), and the cool double meaning of the most recent ep name, but prior to this I already thought Jimmy was a piece of shit, and now I think he's a slightly bigger piece of shit. Maybe the last couple eps will tie everything together neatly, or maybe it'll just feature more cynicism and douchebaggery from Jimmy; I'm wholly confident people will adore it regardless.
Also Saul instigating Walt's empire is like... Okay? We already basically knew this, did we not? He tried to get him the connection with Gus, it failed at first and Walt took it upon himself to try to reach out and so on. What new information was presented? Maybe I missed something playing it without subtitles. And obviously he's trying to recapture the old days of Slippin' Jimmy, I just haven't been super captivated by it. BB was also a character study but it had so much inventiveness to it, particularly in its final season. |
Rowan5215
08.03.22 | "that is a silly statement and his role as Jesse is much more impressive but he is fantastic in Bojack"
ehh he kinda gets to play one note over and over again most of BB. he's still really good but i was really surprised at how much range he showed in Bojack and how much pathos he brought to a surface level silly character. really not a silly statement at all, Bojack is a better show than Breaking Bad anyway
"he was truly truly awful in The Path and he has been pretty damn mediocre in Westworld. Maybe he just needs better writers, but I still think his performance in the BCS episode was bad"
ah I've found your problem: you're watching Westworld. one of the worst written shows with one of the best casts. most of the actors on that show struggle with the absolute bullshit they get given lmao |
Gyromania
08.03.22 | Westworld is bad? Aw man, I was gonna start it soon, the concept sounded really good |
DoofDoof
08.03.22 | Westworld season 1 is a standalone classicâŚthen they up the complexity and it gets messy. Season 2 had some great episodes but season 3 lost the unique character of the show. So far season 4 is better and you can see theyâve had a meeting about how to rekindle the magic from season 1, thatâs obvious. Theyâve done an ok job with that to the point itâs definitely a good show again, just still nowhere near S1 |
DoofDoof
08.03.22 | In terms of the end of BCS, I understand the main action of the series has concluded itâs more that thereâs been enough Gene now that it needs something revelatory to happen as weâve passed where a simple (artistic/mysterious) fade out would have worked as a choice. |
anat
08.03.22 | nippy was the de facto âendingâ considering it was ep 10, which wrapped up the jeff storyline and even had the satisfying image of gene reracking a saul style suit
this last episode is gene slipping because of whatever transpired in the phone booth (Iâm not going to be reading the transcript) and the BB parallels tell us heâs about to walk into a game changing situation
thereâs plenty happening to justify this epilogue system, and I dig the notion that gene doesnât realise his story is supposed to be over |
conesmoke
08.03.22 | Better call yamum |
Deez
08.03.22 | What doof said about WW [2] |
Slex
08.03.22 | No we are VERY much agreed on Westworld Rowbro, I watched about half of the first season and then 1 episode of S2 and 1 episode of S3. S1 was decent with great moments but they literally just kept showing Dolores get raped and tortured and murdered again and again and again and again and it just got stupid and nauseating. The other 2 episodes I saw were wildly bad lol, tho i guess this season is a big improvement is what I am hearing |
Mort.
08.03.22 | i gave up on westworld after series 1 because it very much gave me the vibe that they thought it was a lot deeper than it actually was and that it was going to be aimless and convoluted
havent seen anything past first two episodes of s2 i think? |
HelloJoe
08.03.22 | Better Call Mort.
I'd watch that. |
Rowan5215
08.03.22 | lol yeah I stopped watching WW long before Aaron Paul joined the cast
frustrating as hell that a show that looks that good and attracted that many good actors is so fucking poorly written and conceived |
anat
08.03.22 | I started the dome because dean norris was in it, gave up about 4 eps in, what a crock of shit that was |
DoofDoof
08.03.22 | Guilty pleasure right now is From - pretty good for a TV horror
Better season of Walking Dead standard I guess, as for it being âthe new Lostâ I donât think itâll capture people like that show did |
AlexKzillion
08.03.22 | idk i've really enjoyed these gene episodes so far
i think gene will be rotting in prison by the end of the finale. dude is a cockroach who has survived and gotten away with everything and he still can't help himself after being vacuumed... seems like the only appropriate ending... especially considering everyone involved in the cartel/walts empire died a glorious death except for jesse and kim who escaped. think the feds will finally get their guy
also i reckon kim prob told gene he was an unredeemable monster over the phone after finding out he had become the personal lawyer of the greatest and most deadly druglord america had ever seen in the news. |
Rowan5215
08.03.22 | for ppl still questioning if the Gene stuff is necessary this Schnauz interview has a great perspective on it:
"Really, Jimmy McGill gets hit by a truck in 609, and bam, we are in the future. Heâs Saul Goodman. That was something we talked about for a while, and I think that was really effective. Also, we teased Gene in all these teasers at the start of each season, and I think it would have been weirder if we just did another teaser at the start of Season Six, and thatâs the end of Gene. Whatâs the emotional wrap-up of Jimmy McGill going through all these changes? Gene was a temporary âIâm in hidingâ moment, but he couldnât suppress it. He never dealt with the pain of his brother, never dealt with the pain of losing Kim, seeing Howard die. He didnât deal with any of it. When Chuck died, Howard went through the steps of healing himself, he took the blame for it, he went to therapy, and did all the steps that Jimmy should have done, so all these deep things heâs pushed down will rise to the surface. We want to see how we resolve that. Thatâs where weâre heading in the final episodes." |
anat
08.03.22 | itâs foolish at this point to try and guess the outcome of the last eps but realistically I expect gene to be arrested and to be at peace with it |
protokute
08.03.22 | it's almost as if he wants it, after losing the only thing that he could care for (Kim) |
Slex
08.03.22 | I actually think Saul is pretty deluded and out of control right now and I worry about Kim, I could see him doing something reckless to get to her after hearing from her
But yeah he deserves to get caught |
TalonsOfFire
08.03.22 | For sure he's out of control and reckless right now, the physically breaking in to the guy's house alone shows that. He appears on his way to sabotage himself and self-destruct in some way after that phone call brought all his baggage and mental issues back to the surface, especially the reminder that Kim left him. This is the only way he can deal with it now; being Saul was what he did throughout the mid-late 2000s to mask his sadness and refusal to deal with all that sh*t, but now being Saul is not an option anymore so he's blowing up. |
Colton
08.09.22 | my episode 12 torrent is 60% downloaded and my edible is kicking in let's go |
YoYoMancuso
08.09.22 | did they call him yet |
Faraudo
08.09.22 | Only uncultured swine doesn't love and enjoy the Gene episodes. |
Colton
08.09.22 | yoyo wtf. "better call Saul" is a phrase that attorney Saul Goodman uses on his commercials, it's not like throughout the entire show you're just waiting for someone to call him and then it's over. like you think he just picks up his phone and then the show ends? obviously not dude. what the hell |
GreyShadow
08.09.22 | Waterworks was def the best one
one of the best period |
beefshoes
08.09.22 | That scene in the bus was absolutely shattering. |
YoYoMancuso
08.09.22 | "like you think he just picks up his phone and then the show ends?"
spoilers dude wtf |
Colton
08.09.22 | incredible episode |
Colton
08.09.22 | I called it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986472253912932385/1006441106688450630/unknown.png |
Colton
08.09.22 | Saul dies in the finale |
Faraudo
08.09.22 | What a magnificent fucking TV show. |
artiswar
08.09.22 | hoooooly, seeing Kim down this bad fucking hurt me deeply |
beefshoes
08.09.22 | One of the best episodes in both BCS and BB. |
Colton
08.09.22 | yup
yup
yup |
artiswar
08.09.22 | yuuuuuuup |
anat
08.09.22 | that was dope, the marion laptop stuff was handled very nicely too |
MO
08.09.22 | yea good episode. Rhea deserves an emmy after that one man |
artiswar
08.09.22 | Marion spinoff incoming |
Colton
08.09.22 | marion laptop plot was too predictable but still well executed |
Colton
08.09.22 | *wow colton that's so cool that you predicted it, really impressive*
haha yeah I guess I just have a knack for these things |
artiswar
08.09.22 | It took me by surprise. I didn't think she would get off the funny cat videos so quick |
Colton
08.09.22 | they foreshadowed it pretty well. you can see Marion is taken aback that one time Saul goes to talk to Jeff in the garage and just leaves her alone in the kitchen. I think it tipped her off that he wasn't just there to see her. He also gets annoyed at a dog at one point, contradicting the image of him being a dog lover with Nippy. and then when he was talking to her on the phone about bailing Jeff out he starts reciting all this legal information that made no sense for him to even know, giving her details on Albuquerque law despite previously claiming he's never been there |
Colton
08.09.22 | plus the fact that it's Saul's own action in teaching her how to use the computer that ends up bringing him down in the end. that's definitely a recurring theme in this show and BB |
AlexKzillion
08.10.22 | there's also an irony in that saul's myth really started with doing elder law and the sandpiper case etc. only to ultimately be busted by an old lady
dude dgaf anymore lmao he wants to be caught at this point... kim told him he should turn himself in and i think he's doing just that, but he's getting one last hurrah while he's at it |
butt.
08.10.22 | just watched it. when they showed cancer guy's bank acct statement it said $737,612.62.....
$737k is exactly what Walt calculated that he needed to leave with his family, 612 = BCS season 6 episode 12, and the 62 = the 62nd episode of the show |
butt.
08.10.22 | yup. yup. yup. |
AlexKzillion
08.10.22 | also thought the giant alaska sign at the bus station was just an allusion to jesse but it was actually foreshadowing a whole ass cameo lol... not sure how necessary it was tho felt kinda shoehorned, killer episode besides that |
Trebor.
08.10.22 | Hoping we'll see finger one last time in the finale |
butt.
08.10.22 | finger? |
Trebor.
08.10.22 | Mike |
Colton
08.10.22 | yeah I didn't think it needed the scene with Jesse either but it was fine |
artiswar
08.10.22 | the shot when the commercial is reflected in Gene's glasses, that is maybe my favorite shot in the entire series |
Faraudo
08.10.22 | "hoooooly, seeing Kim down this bad fucking hurt me deeply"
Ik man, they didn't have to send her to Florida of all places.
|
Deez
08.10.22 | That scene in the bus was absolutely shattering.'
I actually applauded, weirdo |
artiswar
08.10.22 | lmao Faraudo
I thought the penultimate ep of BB was bad, with Jesse being tortured and Andrea getting capped, but the Kim stuff in this episode was even more rough for me somehow. This series finale is going to be so goddamn sad for all the characters |
Rowan5215
08.10.22 | "the shot when the commercial is reflected in Gene's glasses, that is maybe my favorite shot in the entire series"
came here to say this. peak TV right there goddamn
amazing episode but Kim with brown hair broke me and I don't think I'll ever recover |
artiswar
08.10.22 | she looked good with dark hair imo |
Rowan5215
08.10.22 | it's not that looked bad (folks: it's rhea seehorn) it's that she looked completely empty. her whole life in florida was just her trying to make herself dead inside to avoid the guilt. totally anodyne, no pulse, she wouldn't even use her decisiveness to pick a flavour of ice cream
that bus scene was all the guilt and shame she's been avoiding for the last 6 years pouring out of her |
AlexKzillion
08.10.22 | "the shot when the commercial is reflected in Gene's glasses, that is maybe my favorite shot in the entire series" [3]
these gene episodes are pushing BCS past BB for me
also i know we all thought the howard plot and all the meandering earlier in the season seemed kinda pointless at the time but in retrospect i feel a lot better about it... can't wait to rewatch the season once all the episodes are out. the split felt unneeded but i think the extended season feels a lot more justified now than it did in may |
TalonsOfFire
08.10.22 | This is all good stuff, but got nuthin' on BB especially the last season, which is like the best thing ever.
Looking like it'll be a very dour and tragic end for everyone. Acting is phenomenal and Waterworks is one of my favs of the season.
I think Saul will die in the last ep or flash forward 10+ years at the end to show his fate wherever he is like The Godfather III, otherwise they're leaving the door open for more some day which I don't think is their intention. |
anat
08.10.22 | BCS made BB better |
TalonsOfFire
08.10.22 | Sure. I look forward to binging both shows back to back and El Camino later this year or next, starting with BB since BCS has the flash forwards. I think seasons 2-4 are my favs of BCS, and BB just gets better and better as it goes.
"the shot when the commercial is reflected in Gene's glasses, that is maybe my favorite shot in the entire series" [4] |
AlexKzillion
08.10.22 | so the new chronology is: BCS S1E1-S6E9 --> BB --> El Camino --> BCS S6E10-S6E13 right? |
anat
08.10.22 | there are guys out there working on a super cut of the complete chronology - it would be intriguing to watch if itâs ever properly compiled but might take away some creative license |
Colton
08.10.22 | I can't wait to rewatch BB after the finale |
Colton
08.10.22 | also still never seen El Camino |
Odal
08.10.22 | El Camino is really inessential. It's well done and tense, but completely unnecessary.
For me, BCS stands as the best in this universe. I absolutely hated Breaking Bad's finale and thought its conclusion was pretty cowardly. But would agree that BB basically started off as a good show then kept getting better before peaking with the jaw-dropping Ozymandias. BCS is much more of a slow burn, but caters more to my tastes. I think S4 was a slight dip in quality, but S5 and 6 have more than made up for it. They've allowed themselves a lot of room for the final episode and I can't see them screwing it up the same way I felt they did with Breaking Bad |
GreyShadow
08.10.22 | there never was a nippy, was there :/ |
TalonsOfFire
08.10.22 | I thought Breaking Bad ended perfectly, and while El Camino isnât amazing itâs a great and satisfying ending for Jesseâs story. I just see it as a 2-hour coda to the show giving that character a peaceful conclusion. Definitely recommended for everyone whoâs watched all of BB; just donât expect it to be a masterpiece. |
Scoot
08.10.22 | show is incredible |
Satellite
08.10.22 | Gene wrapping the phone cord around his hands and menacingly walking toward Marian was some of the best tension ever. |
AlexKzillion
08.10.22 | el camino is worth it just for the duel
i have a feeling like 10-15 years from now amc is gonna have someone who isn't vince gilligan or peter gould do a jesse in alaska spinoff and its gonna be hella mediocre |
MrSirLordGentleman
08.11.22 | "Gene wrapping the phone cord around his hands and menacingly walking toward Marian was some of the best tension ever."
it was also sad as fuck |
TalonsOfFire
08.14.22 | I think I need to amend my earlier statement about seasons 2-4 being the best. After reviewing my ranking of all 62 eps, I think 5 is probably the best, or second after 3. Can't believe it's only one day until the last one... |
Titan
08.14.22 | Obviously not going to end well for good ole Gene. Does Kim commit suicide with her new, shadow of a life? I think Gene / Saul / Jimmy needs to suffer immensely, in jaw dropping fashion. I fully trust Vince Gilligan to righteously end the series, with the final episode remaining⌠|
SomeCallMeTim
08.14.22 | Finally caught up now I can read all these threads
Gene gonna kill carrol Burnett and keep working at Cinnabon |
Colton
08.14.22 | I don't think it's too farfetched for Kim and Jimmy to end up still on somewhat good terms. throughout the whole show you see how loyal she is to him, was willing to murder someone just to save him even. also the whole Howard thing was really more her fault than Jimmy's. there's no way Jimmy will be a free man, if he doesn't die he's going to jail but I could see it ending with her visiting him in jail or something |
TalonsOfFire
08.14.22 | As downbeat as these last couple eps were, I wouldnât be surprised if thereâs a more unconventional and creative end for him, and maybe Kim too, than just being killed or going to prison for the rest of his life. But anything could happen⌠|
Colton
08.16.22 | torrent is downloading who's ready |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | did they call him yet |
Colton
08.16.22 | yoyo why do you keep doing this man. seriously ignorant and at this point just blatantly disrespectful to the team of people who lovingly crafted this show over the last 7 years for you to reduce it to the most literal interpretation of its title and completely gloss over the many nuances that make the show what it is. how would you like it if I went onto the thread for your album and said "did they reach the terminal yet?" have some respect |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | who gives a shit.
Anyways, Good show, good finale. On to my breaking bad binge |
butt.
08.16.22 | Damn. The Breaking Bad universe finally comes to an end. Glad I was around to witness both finales live |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | Spoiler free thoughts: Finale was very good. I generally like where everyone was left. Hard to believe itâs all over after 15 years of this saga. |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | you canât be serious |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | god, 15 years. I was like 11 when breaking bad first aired. Watching Tuco beat his own guy to death blew my fragile little mind.
There are shows that I think are better, but Breaking Bad will always be special to me |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | season 5 of BB is still my favorite season of any show |
beefshoes
08.16.22 | I absolutely loved it. Felt like the perfect way to wrap things up, but I'm definitely sad that it's over. |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | âSeason 5 of BB is still my favorite season of any showâ
Ya same. Season 6 of Game of Thrones is up there too. |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | if only GoT had stuck the landing...season 4 is probably my fav |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | yeah Iâm gonna let my leftovers love spill over into this thread. Season 3 of that is my goat
Breaking Bad Season 5 is up there but I really felt like Walt was just too evil for the first half. Like I get thatâs the point of the show but he was acting really out of character for a minute imo. The back half picked up the slack and is incredible. |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | one of my favorite interactions in all of BB is when Walt suggests to cook in the fumigated houses, Mike asks to put it to a vote, and then Walt just goes "why?"
dude was a gaping butthole in season 5 lmfao |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | I should probably rephrase that. Not gonna spoil any of breaking bad even though show has been over for a decade, all of his actions were totally in character. Him killing a certain person just because his ego was hurt is something I absolutely expected from Walt. But he just has this overconfidence that comes across as just totally fake.
I still consider him a villain but I liked the show more when he was an underdog I guess. Itâs lines like you mention that make me go âdude youâre so far in over your head and you donât even realize it.â Literally the rest of the series he knows how fucked everything is and it made the whole thing feel more tense and high stakes.
The first half of season 5 is necessary for the complete downfall of Heisenberg in the last half but man it really might be my least favorite stretch of the show.
I honestly feel similarly about the final season of the Sopranos. The first half is just all set up for the incredible second half. Both shows have second halves where literally every episode is just masterful. |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | I feel like after coming out on top with all that stuff that went down at the end of season 4, Walt finally felt confident enough to take charge and be more of a dick than before. The worst run of BB is either episodes 4-7 of season 2 or 2-7 of season 4 iirc. Or the middle of season 1 I guess. |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | i can see that perspective but Season 5A just has way too many iconic moments for me to agree |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | What a fucking ending man
Prob my favorite show of all time |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | 5A is still entertaining as all hell. The magnets, the train heist, the prison hits, hanks bathroom reading, itâs still great television. Walt just feels kind of like a caricature of what he was before. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Iâm rewatching it again for the first time since Better Call Saul started so maybe my opinion will change. |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | 5A starts solid, but the amazingness really begins with Dead Freight. |
rockarollacola
08.16.22 | Just finished season 4 episode 11 of Breaking Bad, and damn. That's probably the best episode of the series so far. When i get done with BB, I'm for sure gonna watch BCS. |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | Everything Mike says and does in 5A is iconic
"are you ready?" |
rockarollacola
08.16.22 | People aren't joking when they say Breaking Bad is the greatest television show of the 21st century. It somehow surpasses it's already near-perfect reputation. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | glad I didnât spoil it then lol
Enjoy the ride man. Like I said, the last 8 episodes are just incredible television |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Itâs a top 5 show for sure |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Is 4.11 Crawl Space? Because yeah, I felt the same way when it aired. I think Cranston got an Emmy for that. |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | All four last eps of BB season 4 are mind-blowing yeah. Best show ever. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | âmind-blowingâ
i c what u did there |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | I guess thatâs one more criticism I have for Breaking Bad. Jack is such a dogshit villain compared to Gus. I remember watching Season 4 live and thinking if thatâs the end then Iâm totally fine with it. Season 5 is still excellent but Gus is just as compelling of a character as Walt or Jesse. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Jack is literally a just psychopathic nazi. One dimensional from his introduction through the end of the series. I get that the focus was truly on Walt in the end but Jack was just not a compelling character.
Gus was terrifying but in a very sympathetic way. I honestly was rooting for him over Walt in season 4. |
rockarollacola
08.16.22 | "Is 4.11 Crawl Space? Because yeah, I felt the same way when it aired. I think Cranston got an Emmy for that."
He deserved 2 emmys for that final scene when he realizes the money is gone. I'm excited as shit to finish that season tomorrow |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | like I said man youâre still in for one hell of a ride. Season 5 is nonstop tension.
Thereâs a few things I donât like about the show, but the final 8 episodes are perfection. Ozymandias really might be the best episode of television ever. |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | goddamn that finale was so good |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Really the thing that Better Call Saul has on BrBa is that Kim is a much more well rounded and sympathetic lead than Skylar ever was.
But man, Anna Gunn absolutely kills it in season 5. I never really hated Skylar like so many people did. She just isnât all that interesting to me. Her only real arc outside of Walt is the Beneke shit, which has always been my least favorite subplot in the show. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | hell yeah onion |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | i absolutely like bcs more than bb but i also like what bcs is going for more than bb. that nonstop thrill ride kinda lost its appeal for me after the first run through (as exhilarating as that was), where bcs reallly shines on rewatch. definitely also helps that nacho, kim and lalo are like my top characters in this whole bb universe lol
ozy is bonkers tho yea |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Thatâs probably the thing I dislike most about Breaking Bad.
First watch, itâs really a nonstop thrill ride but it just lacks the depth of my favorite shows. On rewatch thereâs really not much there. But man, the first time I saw it I was on the edge of my seat every week.
I guess it really just depends on what youâre wanting from a show. Iâll never forget where I was when it ended. But it just doesnât have the rewatch value I see in some of the other shows I love. |
DominionMM1
08.16.22 | bb never had the makings of a varsity show |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | yeah exactly. i was so enthralled during my first bb viewing (shit i think the only show thats ever blown me away more first viewing than bb was mr robot) but then diving into shows like sopranos, deadwood, leftovers, etc afterwards that offer so much depth on repeated viewings, make bb pretty hard to come back to. fortunately this show exists within the same universe and is much more my speed, and a comfortable stape in my all time top 5 |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | "bb never had the makings of a varsity show"
small hands that was its problem |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY THAT I TALK?? GET OUTTA MY HOUSE! |
DominionMM1
08.16.22 | itâs a goddamn hothouse flower |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | hell yeah every thread on this fucking website will be a sopranos meme page |
rockarollacola
08.16.22 | the fuck is a varsity show? |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | i dont like that kinda tawk. it upsets me |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | and fuck yes onion donât forget leftovers lol |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | my Johnny was a saint!! |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | leftovers is so goated. feelin the need to rewatch it again, which ill hop into once i feel my time in deadwood has concluded |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | it really is man.
I dunno. Sopranos, Hannibal, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul. Theyâre all incredible, but nothing is as good as Leftovers to me. So much weird shit in that show but itâs so relatable. Every character is written to perfection. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | Itâs honestly just flawless |
Colton
08.16.22 | I was right again https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986472253912932385/1008965621888864266/unknown.png |
Colton
08.16.22 | predicted Marion ratting out Saul and the exact ending scene Vince hire me pls |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | i do have a few shows i put above it admittedly, as sopranos and deadwood for me beat it out as far as character writing/dialogue and mr robot for absolute mind bending weird shit being used to tell a ridiculously powerful story, but its still brilliant and practically in the tier as those for me
tho shows are admittedly particularly hard for me to rank bc most of my favorites kinda resonate w me for different reasons. think thats why i generally point to sopranos as my top as it feels particularly comprehensive in the amount of boxes it checks off |
DominionMM1
08.16.22 | quasimodo over here |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | nostradamus and notre dame. two different things completely |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.16.22 | who did what?? |
Faraudo
08.16.22 | Best show in tv history. |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | "i absolutely like bcs more than bb but i also like what bcs is going for more than bb. that nonstop thrill ride kinda lost its appeal for me after the first run through (as exhilarating as that was), where bcs reallly shines on rewatch."
completely agree with this. i watch the random BB youtube clip every so often but i have zero desire to ever do a full re-watch when there's so much other TV to check out. amazing show but yeah there's nothing to really gain with a rewatch i feel like wheras BCS is legitimately better on second viewing. |
SomeCallMeTim
08.16.22 | Anyone saying bcs is better than bb is insane |
beefshoes
08.16.22 | Weird, the Mike moments were some of my favorite in the show, and I loved season 4. |
SomeCallMeTim
08.16.22 | "bb never had the makings of a varsity show"
shut up junior |
SomeCallMeTim
08.16.22 | a real thought though, I do wish the story about the Gene days was longer and more involved |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | BCS is top 10 best shows ever made but BB is for sure #1. I didnât even mind the plane crash subplot, tho it was a little odd. Everything that happens afterward being so amazing more than makes up for whatever shortcomings were in the first two seasons in any case. |
LightAndGlass
08.16.22 | Better Call Saul wouldn't be as good as it is without Breaking Bad and all the context there. I don't think BCS hit BB quality until the final two seasons but it was still incredible the way it made me love so many characters. Howard was my mf'n dude.
If anything, BCS has made me want to rewatch BB since I haven't watched it since it aired. I was looking up old clips on YouTube due to things happening in BCS and it got me remembering why I loved BB so much in the first place. The two shows complement each other so well and I can't really argue with anyone for thinking one is better than the other. |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | Well said, thatâs essentially how I feel too.
BCS is ultimately a more reflective, character driven show thatâs also more comedic. |
Trebor.
08.16.22 | I'm really going to miss these characters |
SomeCallMeTim
08.16.22 | The spin-off I really need is a black comedy series about the criminal life of Creed Bratton |
Deez
08.16.22 | That scene where they threw the cardboard
Jimmy in the dumpster only for him to finally caught in the dumpster.
It's up there with BB for sure. I'm not even the biggest BB fan but I've still seen it 3 times I think, why anyone 'wouldnt see the point' I've no idea. I don't really care which is best of the 2 they've both been phenomenal and that Finale was superb. |
anat
08.16.22 | that was excellent. accomplished everything it needed to, in style, didnât succumb to any finale pitfalls, and wrapped up the BB universe perfectly. no more spin-offs though pls, itâs done |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | Unless 10 years or something later Kim is in full lawyer mode and finds a way to get Jimmy released and they reunite! |
brainmelter
08.16.22 | great finale, might like this more than bb. it refined everything that was great about bb. the character writing and visual story telling are so good |
Mort.
08.16.22 | time to start rewatching breaking bad i guess |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | "I'm not even the biggest BB fan but I've still seen it 3 times I think, why anyone 'wouldnt see the point' I've no idea."
obviously nothing really compares to watching bb for the first time... just think a show that is so heavily plot driven and chaotic isn't nearly as rewarding on a rewatch.
also when i watch bb youtube clips post-BCS i can't stand how wooden and one dimensional saul gus and especially mike come off by comparison... and i enjoy all those characters (along with kim howard and lalo) more than walt and jesse |
SomeCallMeTim
08.16.22 | honestly though one of the things that's so rewarding about rewatching BB though is watching the performances. The interactions between Cranston and Paul are incredible, it always feels like real people having incredibly stressful arguments. Odenkirk's performance I thought was stronger in BB as well, still incredible in BCS though |
SomeCallMeTim
08.16.22 | Gus' character was more wooden in BCS, as was pretty much every interaction between him and Mike there |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | wooden maybe isn't the right word but those characters get so much more depth and focus and the performances (especially johnathan banks') is so much better in BCS that its sorta hard for me to go back to saul just being comedic relief, mike just being a mercenary, etc. think i just prefer the ensemble character study type show that is BCS versus BB where the whole show revolves around walt's story |
YoYoMancuso
08.16.22 | lmao and as soon as jesse leaves, saul just yells at huell like "what do i pay you for?" |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | the only time i feel like saul wasn't comic relief in BB was the last scene he's in where they leave albuquerque with the vacuum guy or whatever. that scene is the only sliver of jimmy mcgill we get in BB really.
even that aforementioned scene, the drama comes from jesse having to uncharacteristically resort to beating up the grifty lawyer who wouldn't physically lay a hand on anyone because its the only way to save brock... and saul even proceeds to pop one off right when jesse leaves the room lol |
anat
08.16.22 | I like the gus and mike stuff in bcs, it helped to flesh out the characters in a show that was a character study, and it was satisfying to see mike concede that his biggest regret was taking his first bribe and entering this world of corruption. and it was useful to see gusâ behaviour in relation to lalo and that his stonefacedness in BB was aided by lalo being eliminated. the show wouldnât be the same without its pacing. gusâ age is a bit distracting but not enough to tarnish anything |
anat
08.16.22 | I also wouldnât consider BB saul to be comic relief, the whole show is a dark comedy, if anything he was there for the deus ex machina of how they got away with it for as long as they did |
Colton
08.16.22 | âthe whole show is a dark comedyâ
this is clearly not true |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | @anat i think he's both. saul really did do all the things he said he did for walt and jesse on the stand in the bcs finale... but doesn't change the fact that as a personality he was written to be rather one note in BB besides the end. |
anat
08.16.22 | well it is |
anat
08.16.22 | itâs a bit easy to say BB saul is one note now that we have his backstory fleshed out but like he was a supporting character and BB wasnât his story to be told |
AlexKzillion
08.16.22 | ooo don't get me wrong i fucking loved saul in BB as a side character... just that its tough to go back and watch him be a side character after he's been given more depth and layers than arguably any other character in the universe in BCS |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | If anything Iâd think itâd be more rewarding to rewatch BB after all this and appreciate how much depth and info you know about Saul now. Iâll see and maybe report back once I rewatch both shows.
Also if I understand artiswar right, I agree that there was too much Gus, Nacho, Mike, and general cartel stuff at times. I love those characters donât get me wrong, but some eps just went on soooo long with them and Saul felt like a side character in his own show as a result. |
TalonsOfFire
08.16.22 | Yeah for sure, like I said all the characters are fantastic. Nachoâs scenes were most of my favorite parts in season 6A, tho that isnât saying a whole lot cause that was like the weakest run of episodes since season 1. Him switching the pills on Hector was also ridiculously tense. |
onionbubs
08.16.22 | nacho is my fav character in either show and i still think rock and a hard place was the episode that moved me most |
anat
08.16.22 | Iâm on s3 of BB for my first viewing since BCS started and itâs just so much better because of what we know in BCS, itâs why I think BCS is the superior show |
Faraudo
08.16.22 | "Anyone saying bcs is better than bb is insane"
BCS is better than BB
|
MrSirLordGentleman
08.16.22 | BCS is better than BB [2]
Both are still hard 5's tho
And Ozymandias is still the best episode in the universe |
MrSirLordGentleman
08.17.22 | Apparently two new productions are on the go according to AMC: Straight Man (with Saul in it) and Parish (centered around Gus) |
Colton
08.17.22 | Nacho is the best character in the BB universe solely for the "it looks like a school bus for 6 year old pimps" line |
Colton
08.17.22 | LordGentleman pls tell me that's a joke |
MrSirLordGentleman
08.17.22 | Nope. Have only found news' links in spanish so far but I think Giancarlo Esposito already posted about it on his instagram |
Trebor.
08.17.22 | There's no way Odenkirk and most of the other actors would do a show without Gilligan or Gould who both stated they are moving on. Gilligan already has a new pilot written and is shopping it to networks. I hope AMC isn't stupid enough to try to make this the next Walking Dead universe kinda thing |
Colton
08.17.22 | he's lying. there's a show starring Bob Odenkirk but it's a completely new character/universe |
MrSirLordGentleman
08.17.22 | "he's lying. there's a show starring Bob Odenkirk but it's a completely new character/universe"
that's a relief |
Colton
08.17.22 | yeah that would be pretty egregious. |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.17.22 | I would not put it past AMC, but isnât there some kind of legal thing that stops them from doing something like that? They donât actually produce either BrBa or BCS, they just air it?
I swear I remember hearing something like that. They donât even have the rights to El Camino either if I remember right. |
beefshoes
08.17.22 | Agreed. Did anyone else absolutely love the scene on the bus with the other inmates? Jimmy is probably treated like a king in prison. |
protokute
08.17.22 | wtf was that better caul saul chant on the bus? lol really weird scene, but the last episode overall was excellent |
Mort.
08.17.22 | didnt really think it was corny tbh just really absurd and weird |
RunOfTheMill
08.17.22 | I took it as âthe fansâ of Saul. BCS recontextualizes a lot of BB, and so even at the end of the series, when heâs ready to go by James McGill again, I felt it was a way to recognize that there are lots of people in and out of the showâs universe that love good olâ Saul Goodman. Thatâs my reading of it. Maybe also a way to convey in 2 minutes or less that heâs garnered lasting respect among criminals and the underground, and that his time in prison will not be spent suffering, per se. Definitely a little absurd :] |
TalonsOfFire
08.17.22 | Iâm pretty sure those are just new shows starring those actors and not connected to BB or BCS. |
WeepingBanana
08.17.22 | Thought the ending was great. Only complaint is the Jesse and Walt cameos. Not even the idea of them (I thought the scenes themselves were important and meaningful etc) but the execution was terrible. Especially Jesse. Both felt like extremely forced caricatures of themselves. Like that we got to see my homegirl Marie again tho
My fav scene of the season is Gus with the sommelier
BCS > BB |
onionbubs
08.17.22 | honestly had more fun watching walt in that scene than most of bb. granted hes not a character i care for much in bb, but his last line here was perfect |
LightAndGlass
08.17.22 | Maybe I need to rewatch BB but I feel like you're all being hipsters here with the BCS > BB take. The first four seasons of BCS aren't at BB's level IMO. |
onionbubs
08.17.22 | j depends on what ya look for in your tv ig. theyre v much going for different things. the more character driven arty shit bcs pulls may be way more compelling to me but i get why not everyone feels that way |
anat
08.17.22 | "Maybe I need to rewatch BB but I feel like you're all being hipsters here with the BCS > BB take. The first four seasons of BCS aren't at BB's level IMO."
dumbest of all takes in this thread |
protokute
08.17.22 | I was way more engaged in the first seasons with the development of Jimmy into Saul, and his relationship with Kim and Chuck than the archs presented on seasons 5 and 6, not saying they were bad though, far from it, and I agree that they did an excellent job on the finale. |
anat
08.17.22 | it's not without its faults for sure, and it's definitely on a bit of a pedestal as the lauded quintessential series of our age
but even discounting the above, it's utterly daft to believe that people who prefer one acclaimed show over another, in the same established universe, are being hipsters bout it |
TalonsOfFire
08.17.22 | Yâall trippin about BB being cartoonish or dumb at all. |
beefshoes
08.17.22 | One of the rare shows where ranking the seasons would feel superfluous. The quality is extremely consistent throughout, and there weren't any true low points for me. |
anat
08.17.22 | it's definitely cartoonish but it ain't a bad thing. like gus walking away from an explosion with half his head missing and adjusting his tie is dumb as hell but damn if it ain't a top 10 scene |
protokute
08.17.22 | the only cartoonish part I remember from Breaking Bad was Gus ending up like that mother on the wheelchair from Sponge Bob |
Odal
08.17.22 | Breaking Bad after Ozymandias was pretty bad. I absolutely hated the finale. It WAS cartoonish and tonally dissonant.
I have some similar issues with Better Call Saul's finale, but I don't think Saul's finale was bad or anything and had some breathtaking moments that lined up with what the show had setup. I think Saul is the superior show by a pretty decent margin.
Breaking Bad is an incredible show whose finale left a pretty sour taste in my mouth |
LightAndGlass
08.17.22 | Damn I ruffled some feathers with my tongue in cheek comment. I don't think anyone seriously uses the term hipster anymore. I'll be waiting for my award though Rowan. |
Colton
08.17.22 | BCS also has those âcartoonyâ moments itâs just part of how they write these shows |
Colton
08.17.22 | Gusâ face being blown in half is more believable than any fight scene with Mike in BCS |
Odal
08.17.22 | I have no problem with cartoony. Mike and Gus' whole schtick is pretty cartoony. Hell, Lalo might just be the most cartoonish character in the whole damn franchise.
Saul navigated its shifts in tone in much more elegant ways than Breaking Bad did. Like, Jimmy's courtroom speech was kind of lame and the bus scene was a bit cringe, but the actual plot points largely tracked and made sense.
Walt getting to give his family money, have a long explanation talk with Skylar where he spelled out all his motives with no ambiguity, and save Jesse while gunning down nazis was groan-inducing and actually takes away from the rest of the show |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.17.22 | you mustâve really hated El Camino huh
Felina is fine. Itâs safe as hell but itâs a good ending imo |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.17.22 | And you really donât like the scene where Walt finally admits that he did it all for himself? Itâs one of the most cathartic moments in the entire series. |
DoofDoof
08.17.22 | That episode gave me everything and makes even the less successful parts of the season feel worthwhile - still not in the top 3 BCS seasons though |
Odal
08.17.22 | El Camino was fine? It's an inessential epilogue that's fun enough if you accept it for what it is. I frequently forget that it is a thing that I have watched
I didn't like the Skylar convo because I still felt the framing of it gave Walt too much redemption. Giving him and, in a way, Skylar that catharsis felt like it was just too on the nose. It was already clear why Walt did what he did and the show spent so much of its brilliant final season painting him as this ruthless ruler, culminating in Ozymandias, which is one of the most satisfying climaxes of all time, only to claw it back and be like, "ah jeez maybe he's not SO bad" for the final two episodes. Just reeked of cowardice for me |
Colton
08.17.22 | you guys are focusing too much on realism/believability and not enough on what really matters which is that I predicted the exact ending scene of Better Call Saul. that should be the narrative here |
LightAndGlass
08.17.22 | The Gus death and machine gun finale of BB are the two most "cartoonish" things in the universe but BCS is more cartoonish as a whole, especially Lalo. I don't think a few cartoonish moments should discredit either show and being pedantic about which show was more Looney Tunes is pointless. Both are two of the greatest shows of all time with a large cast of the greatest characters of all time. I don't think anyone needs to try to discredit one or the other. |
protokute
08.17.22 | peace |
Odal
08.17.22 | Cartoonishness is fine. BCS' ending is in line with where it ultimately was taking its characters, where as Breaking Bad's isn't. That's my issue with it |
TalonsOfFire
08.17.22 | I think these are pretty liberal examples of âcartoonish.â By that logic most crime thriller shows and movies are cartoonish. The only time I think crosses that line is Gusâs death, but like anat said itâs amazing so all good. |
LightAndGlass
08.17.22 | I don't see how Breaking Bad's characters did line up with how the show made them. Again, it's been a long time since I've watched it but I remember thinking that everything fell into place in a way that made sense. |
RunOfTheMill
08.17.22 | Ya know theyâve had cartoony moments since the first season of BB with Walt blowing up Tucoâs office with Mercury Fulminate, dissolving bodies with hydrofluoric acid, all that. I remember the very first time watching the first season, I thought Walt was gonna be some kind of âchemistry Inspector Gadgetâ lol. Itâs always been part of the universe and the style of the shows. |
Odal
08.17.22 | I think Walt clearly got too much redemption. The show ended with him being able to go out on top, on his own terms. Yeah, characters like Walt Jr and Marie hate him but even Skylar had like a begrudging respect to his honesty in the end. He got to feel like a king, kill people who were objectively worse than him, and save the show's moral compass while still providing for his family. |
Cormano
08.17.22 | people thinking Lalo is "cartoonish" don't know much about narco culture
he was actually well written and compelling unlike those spawned from bb, especially those from s4 |
Cormano
08.17.22 | also Tony Dalton gave a hell of a performance not to mention he's the only actor in that entire universe who actually speaks spanish lmao |
AlexKzillion
08.17.22 | lalo/tony dalton is my favorite character in either show but he did do some cartoony ass shit haha
- disappeared like batman only to bust through the ceiling to kill the kid in S4 in the span of 10 seconds
- jumped from like 20 feet onto saul's totaled car in the desert in S5 just because
- miraculously escaping zeigler's widow's place through that skinny ass top floor window
dude had superhero abilities almost lmao |
Colton
08.17.22 | yeah heâs clearly not meant to be realistic and thatâs fine. the whole show is built on slightly over the top/unrealistic action scenes that have very realistic repercussions in terms of how people are affected by them |
beefshoes
08.17.22 | Goddamn if I wanted realism then I'd just stay the fuck at work. I watch series and play games to escape that shit. |
WeepingBanana
08.17.22 | Iâve been saying BCS is better than BB since like season 2. Itâs just a more dynamic show. And thereâs more humor to it without sacrificing any drama. BB is great tv but kinda one-note, hyper focused on making this one story as epic as possible, while BCS is more just about complex human relationships |
WeepingBanana
08.17.22 | Also if you think Mikes fight scenes are unrealistic youâve clearly never met a guy with Old Man Strengthâ˘ď¸ |
Colton
08.17.22 | yeah super realistic when he beats up 5 guys who are 50 years younger than him at once by karate chopping them in the neck and twisting their arm 5 millimeters to the side, or disarming someone who has a gun pointed directly at him like a ninja. a lot of Mike scenes turn him into John Wick |
MrSirLordGentleman
08.17.22 | "Iâve been saying BCS is better than BB since like season 2. Itâs just a more dynamic show. And thereâs more humor to it without sacrificing any drama. BB is great tv but kinda one-note, hyper focused on making this one story as epic as possible, while BCS is more just about complex human relationships"
I totally agree with this which is why BCS is slightly better than BB for me as well. Jimmy and Kim just feel like more complex, gray character, while Walt on the other hand simply became a flat out evil guy |
WeepingBanana
08.17.22 | Well Mike is younger than in BB so itâs probably more like 20 years younger. Iâve seen Old Man Strengthâ˘ď¸ overcome way more than that |
Colton
08.17.22 | oh yeah that makes it realistic for him to beat up 5 people at once with ninja karate then |
Colton
08.17.22 | also wasn't big on the scene where he directly threatens to kill Hector Salamanca and everybody in the room and then reaches for a gun and Hector just laughs and says he's got balls. pretty common trope that |
WeepingBanana
08.17.22 | Just admit youâve never witnessed OMSâ˘ď¸/youâve never been to Philly |
CelestialDust
08.17.22 | lol what an epic thread. I'm sad it's over |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.17.22 | end of an era tbh |
Cormano
08.17.22 | - "disappeared like batman only to bust through the ceiling to kill the kid in S4 in the span of 10 seconds"
this one i can agree on
- "jumped from like 20 feet onto saul's totaled car in the desert in S5 just because"
c'mon it wasn't even half that height
- "miraculously escaping zeigler's widow's place through that skinny ass top floor window"
damn i really wanted them to sleep together |
Colton
08.17.22 | "people thinking Lalo is "cartoonish" don't know much about narco culture" |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.18.22 | yeah I was laughing my ass off when Lalo was in that money transfer place.
That was so fucking ridiculous lol |
Tgreenz455
08.18.22 | Lalo was like a fucking comet man. Gonna miss the hell outta this show |
TalonsOfFire
08.24.22 | Thought thereâd be talk about the ending⌠it was well done and satisfying and all that, but it doesnât sit right with me that Jimmyâs in jail forever. He didnât kill anyone or even threaten anyone really. Jesse and Walt were practically forcing him to help them toward the end when things got more and more desperate. Walt is 10X worse. Has Saul done tons of illegal, sleazy, and unethical things in his life? Totally, and for that he should get something around 12 years. Thatâs my 2 cents. |
onionbubs
08.24.22 | nah he deserved what he got |
Wildcardbitchesss
08.24.22 | Yeah, perfect ending. The finger guns absolutely destroyed me. Iâm gonna miss this show so much. |
Colton
08.24.22 | Kim bears more responsibility for Howard's death than Jimmy does |
TalonsOfFire
08.24.22 | Yeah exactly, sheâs almost as culpable as he is in the last couple seasons and gets away scot free |
Colton
08.24.22 | but it's acknowledged that she could go to prison, or at least lose everything she has, if people knew the real extent of her involvement. she doesn't because Jimmy sacrificed himself to save her |
TalonsOfFire
08.24.22 | Some people speculated that because of what he did she canât be sued anymore by Howardâs wife but not sure about that. |
Wildcardbitchesss
09.03.22 | Watching the last few episodes again.
Man, Waterworks is a fucking masterpiece. |