JohnnyoftheWell: Am I a phoenixbitch?

JohnnyoftheWell 07.16.21	Give me ideas, Sputnik? What can I learn to love that I'm not tuning into rn
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	What's a phoenixbitch?
JohnnyoftheWell 07.16.21	I don't know and I don't know where I want to go with music lol So I guess that makes it a shit phoenix? Or maybe a bitchin phoenix if things turn out well idk
garas 07.16.21	Maybe your time has come to join Team Star Rider, and finally jam some Hällas: https://haellas.bandcamp.com/
AnimalsAsSummit 07.16.21	Whatever moves you homie jam it
JohnnyoftheWell 07.16.21	Ta garas, will check and AAS gimme a new movement help (or failing that, a couple of wavy DnB albums in the vein of Junior Varsity will do)
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	Do you think you'll like Bruno Pernadas's latest album? How much do you like jazzy hypnogogic pop?
AnimalsAsSummit 07.16.21	Hmmm well I personally have new DnB / breakstep out in the form of two new EPs . Idk if you’ve heard that yet. Also a full length that is closer to lounge/ house. I recommend for sure: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Myles-Oliver/102676/ Also for a new movement you should check out some 2-step and breakstep. Has the feel of DnB a lot. Early dubstep too. Try Sincere by MJ Cole. That album is sure to make you happy (I think) hehe. It’s very sunny music. I have about a hundred albums I could rec you so see what you think of that stuff, and I can continue to give you recs if you enjoy
Colton 07.16.21	try listening to a rap album
AnimalsAsSummit 07.16.21	@norm < 3
Drifter 07.16.21	just loooooook what is done for meeeeee my eyes are on youu FEELING
AnimalsAsSummit 07.16.21	Ok y’all are woke asf confirmed
Drifter 07.16.21	johnny listen to the screwed up click. start with big moe's city of syrup it's perfection
Drifter 07.16.21	also sincere by mj cole that's one of my favorite albums of all time. so good
conesmoke 07.16.21	One of Australia's most successful 70's rock bands 'Sherbet' doesn't have a sputpage. Could check them out if you're keen on some disco vibe tinged, 80's genesis esque Aussie 70's rock.
DDDeftoneDDD 07.16.21	click bait master
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	Australian Indie Rock
chemicalmarriage 07.16.21
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.16.21	I mean looking at your listening log and 2021 list etc it seems a bit self explanatory to me. You're in that phase of music where your listening habits are divided between a borderline obsessive compulsive need to keep up with the albums people are talking about/have talked about in years past and upholding the meme of your own personal taste quirks (oversaturation of j-pop etc). I'm not saying this to be rude, it's something I went through with music years ago nearly exactly. So my advice isn't going to be a style of music to check or a country to explore, but rather something that helped me rediscover that magic with music: Stop trying to listen to EVERYTHING and stop trying to uphold your music taste image. It makes music a chore. When you see that Atreyu released a new alb and you feel that burning itch to check it out so that you can rate it and write a sentence making fun of it even though you know it's going to suck, resist it and listen to something interesting instead. Dispose of the impulsive need to check out entire discogs of bands you only kind of like. Start listening to music based off what truly interests YOU instead of what interests other people just to stay in the loop/conversation. Recognize that sputnik is a terrible place to acquire music recs and that listening to anything anyone here tells you to is a complete waste of time. Let an algorithm like spotify's release radar and discover playlists help you find things you'll enjoy based off things you already do enjoy instead and just let it become a natural process again instead of an impulse to catalogue things and overload your brain with "knowledge".
parksungjoon 07.16.21	hard trvth right there more importantly pots do u remember what thread u posted this in: I'm sure bobertsona will absolutely super-goop his Minga tutti frutti dungaree shortalls over the pair
Lord(e)Po)))ts 07.16.21	Lol no I don't sorry
SmallMess 07.16.21	^ Good advice, used to feel self-conscious about not listening to a lot of recent releases, but then I realized that unless you're a professional music reviewer (whatever that entails), that's a huge waste of time. Can't force the brain to like stuff, that's why so many critics shit on almost everything.
parksungjoon 07.16.21	>that's why so many critics shit on almost everything. ....................... do they now? you were on the right track until u said this lol
conesmoke 07.16.21	Well yeah that's good advice and all. But also.. Sherbet m//
SmallMess 07.16.21	Maybe not everything, but there certain genres and albums that require repeated listens or just take a long time to grow on you, and they sometimes get bad reviews because many critics have to fill the quota and do not have the time to let the stuff digest properly.
parksungjoon 07.16.21	thats fair actually, im curious what would be some of your biggest examples though
SteakByrnes 07.16.21	ya pots has the right idea
conesmoke 07.16.21	My name's potsss Come with meeee And you'll beeee In a world of puuuuuuurreee imagination
WatchItExplode 07.16.21	Did you ever listen to Strung Out - Exile In Oblivion when you were all over Belvedere? Still the best in that style for my money. But also, you should probably just listen to pots and succumb to the lukewarm digital embrace of the spotify algorithms...that would be more on-brand.
SmallMess 07.16.21	Off the top of my head I can remember Stoner Witch by Melvins, which got a C+ from Robert Christgau, who said something along the lines of "yeah, they're noisy and slow, if you're young and depressed you'll dig it maybe", and that album is really a grower, so it's likely that he skimmed through it, given that he dislikes heavier stuff in general.
parksungjoon 07.16.21	thats.. a strange example christgau is notably not a fan of that kind of music in general, so he could prob spend 10x the time and reach the same conclusion lol
parksungjoon 07.16.21	bias and taste are their own thing but they're a separate issue from not spending enough time to "digest" a piece of art
SmallMess 07.16.21	Yeah, not the best example perhaps. I guess a better one would be Hand It Over by Dinosaur Jr., which I stand by as one of their best, but it's not immediately obvious and it didn't grab everybody from the get-go like most Dino albums, so it was undeservedly forgotten by many.
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Hard agree with everything Pots said EXCEPT I think it is actually cool as hell to get recs from real people who you interact with regularly and even if many users here have suspect taste I will be dead in the ground before I start getting my music recs from streaming service algorithms instead. ...that said the featured feed on the bandcamp mobile app is nice and I've found some pretty cool stuff that way
Drifter 07.16.21	"I will be dead in the ground before I start getting my music recs from streaming service algorithms instead" what. there is nothing wrong with streaming service recommendations. the whole point is to show you similar stuff you'll likely also enjoy
Colton 07.16.21	telling johnny to use spotify is useless because he doesn't even have or use spotify. that's like saying you're gonna dye your hair blonde when you're literally bald
Kompys2000 07.16.21	"what. there is nothing wrong with streaming service recommendations. the whole point is to show you similar stuff you'll likely also enjoy" I understand where you're coming from but I just totally disagree. Music is social to me. I want to share the art I love with other people and I want others to do the same with me. I am really, fundamentally against reducing music discovery to a series of inputs into an algorithm. it doesn't build communities and it doesn't push the artform forward, and I just don't think the convenience is worth sacrificing those things, though I get why so many people think it is worth it
Ryus 07.16.21	lol if you havent submitted to our overlord the Algorithm
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Yeah sorry I know I'm coming off really boomery and sanctimonious here but idk man I really worry about what Spotify and other streaming platforms are doing to the music ecosystem
Ryus 07.16.21	haha im just messin around i definitely appreciate personalized recs more than spotify recs
conesmoke 07.16.21	I think what Pots is getting at is not to go into future albums with too much of a preconceived notion of what it will be like/how good it will be. Discarding those notions can be a hard thing to do when you've seen the rating or review prior to listening. Spotify algorithm won't provide a rating, so you're left purely with your own thoughts and opinions, and find what actually tickles your gooch. As opposed to listening out for those preconceptions.
WatchItExplode 07.16.21	I like to just stalk the ratings of users I have overlap with and listen to whatever I'm not familiar with. Many of my favorites in the past several years (whether new releases or not) were Sputnik user recs.
Colton 07.16.21	"I understand where you're coming from but I just totally disagree. Music is social to me. I want to share the art I love with other people and I want others to do the same with me. I am really, fundamentally against reducing music discovery to a series of inputs into an algorithm. it doesn't build communities and it doesn't push the artform forward, and I just don't think the convenience is worth sacrificing those things, though I get why so many people think it is worth it" but why? music is generally a very personal experience anyway. you consume it through technology that literally goes inside of your own two ears. why tailor your taste toward anything other than your own personal interests? and algorithms are good at finding stuff that aligns with those interests (probably, I've never used them but maybe I should) obv your preferences are your preferences but if music is primarily social for you and having a shared experience with others is the main draw, why do you have so much relatively obscure stuff in your ratings? why not just find the most popular music that you enjoy and listen to that?
Kompys2000 07.16.21	It's kinda like a mining expedition, I guess? Like I see it as everyone going off on their own and discovering stuff based on their own tastes, and then bringing it back to a friend group, online community etc. and showing it around, finding people who will also think it's cool, talking about what makes it special to you. Imo music being a social thing doesn't mean sacrificing ur own preferences or only listening to the popular stuff, it just means it's not something you can really do by yourself. A pretty big chunk of my obscure ratings are things I found through local shows or through friends, or otherwise stuff I dug up on bandcamp because I like having cool weird stuff to show people. I love the idea of an artist getting big off positive word of mouth and being able to tangibly contribute to that (even though it's prob a pipe dream 99.999% of the time lol) Sorry to hijack ur thread Johnny I will think of a rec for u in a bitttttt
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"but why? music is generally a very personal experience anyway. you consume it through technology that literally goes inside of your own two ears. why tailor your taste toward anything other than your own personal interests? and algorithms are good at finding stuff that aligns with those interests (probably, I've never used them but maybe I should) obv your preferences are your preferences but if music is primarily social for you and having a shared experience with others is the main draw, why do you have so much relatively obscure stuff in your ratings? why not just find the most popular music that you enjoy and listen to that?" Why are you on this site if music isn't social to you? Isn't this why we are all here?
parksungjoon 07.16.21	well i know at least one person who is only here because rym "looks too old" or something, so there's that
Colton 07.16.21	because I discover good music here but if I didn’t I would use algorithms or look in other places
parksungjoon 07.16.21	oh also, there are a lot of old inactive accounts with a ton of ratings and no comments so clearly there were people who joined just to keep track of what they like or something they tend to skew pretty high average, that would track to me
Colton 07.16.21	I also use this site to serve as a luminary of sorts, it hurts seeing so many ppl have shit taste and not even know why
parksungjoon 07.16.21	u ever been to metal-archives? it's .... something that's for sure
Drifter 07.16.21	@Kompys2000 I can understand that. I've found countless favorites from here and spotify/youtube recs so I just kinda see it as why not use every resource possible to find new music yknow?
parksungjoon 07.16.21	also it depends what youre into, entire genres and scenes are woefully underrepresented here and on other sites as well
Colton 07.16.21	“It's kinda like a mining expedition, I guess? Like I see it as everyone going off on their own and discovering stuff based on their own tastes, and then bringing it back to a friend group, online community etc.” yeah but you can find music through stuff like spotify and then share it with people just like you would if you found it anywhere else. if it’s music that you like then who cares how you found it. if you found an app that told you about a restaurant with the best pizza you’ve ever had, would you not go there just because you found it through an app?
parksungjoon 07.16.21	>are u maybe just upset that you’ve spent so much time on the site? well here's the thing... kind of, but not in the way you're implying i think the truth is for whatever reason most people here tend to fall into a few clusters of taste/biases, and they also happen to be most of the active users driving discussions. if you don't align with any of them much, if you've already explored and established that you don't align with them much, what is there for you? once you spend long enough on the site, you start to be able to predict what opinions most sputters will have, what they'll flock to and what they'll ignore, and yea...
Kompys2000 07.16.21	@colton If you'll recall the post I was originally responding to was specifically talking about using the algorithm to replace recs from people in general and sput users in particular I do think Spotify recs can be one part of a healthy musical diet and if I haven't made it clear I don't judge anyone for using them. It's just not personally something I vibe with or want in my life as a music listener, for reasons I think I've spent enough time detailing
conesmoke 07.16.21	One thing I do like about Spotify recs is when it shows me an album Ive already considered checking out, or an album I haven't heard by a band I enjoy. It's like a nice reminder from a third party
Drifter 07.16.21	also a good point cone
Avagantamos 07.16.21	continue The Slow Walk Down into breakcore/flashcore madness. it doesn't get enough attention on this site
parksungjoon 07.16.21	>Like just because users have patterns of taste that can become predictable means getting a rec is a waste of time? Sorry idgi it can be if their patterns are largely opposite yours, which i think is at least partially true for pots think of this hypothetical: if you dont give a shit about rock, prog, metal, punk, post-hardcore, whatever... how much is there on this site for you? if you're primarily a hip hop or electronic or avant-folk or whatever person, how much is there on this site for you? not that much, usually, right? only things that get big enough in the greater public consciousness, in which case you would be finding them anyway thats kinda what i was referring to, although it might not be pots' reasoning necessarily, dont wanna speak for him
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	"Yeah sorry I know I'm coming off really boomery and sanctimonious here but idk man I really worry about what Spotify and other streaming platforms are doing to the music ecosystem" They forced "mainstream" pop songs to always start with the hook/chorus apparently, killing off buildups in mainstream music. If your average pop listener isn't engaged in the first 5 seconds while using Spotify, they'll just skip the song, so the industry adjusted. There was some article about it that came out a few years ago, but I'm too lazy to find it
Colton 07.16.21	ok kompys but the reasoning of “I am really, fundamentally against reducing music discovery to a series of inputs into an algorithm. it doesn't build communities and it doesn't push the artform forward, and I just don't think the convenience is worth sacrificing those things” doesn’t really make sense. you can “build communities” by finding music from spotify and then sharing it with that community. and I don’t see how any of this relates to pushing the artform of music forward
parksungjoon 07.16.21	>unless of course they are projecting their own experience onto the entire community yea i guess most people probably dont feel that way... im just saying i think pots has valid reasons to say that, or at least valid reasons do exist why someone might say that... the deeper down the rabbit hole you get, the harder it is to find the kind of things you're looking for, is my experience as well tbh
rabidfish 07.16.21	try dippin your toes and balls into classical. Shit's insane and there's a well so deep to dive into you can really get lost for years.
parksungjoon 07.16.21	they also never really stopped making it after the 1920s haha
porcupinetheater 07.16.21	Word boi big time burnout these days You should check out Toby Driver
conesmoke 07.16.21	"I agree that pots has valid reasons to say that for himself, i just don’t think he has valid reasons to turn it outward and be condescending about that which is what he did." Haha love that
Colton 07.16.21	pots's taste is so shit that no actual living human being could ever have anything in common with him so spotify recs are really his only option
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	TBH the best way to find music is to cross-reference Spotify with Last.fm with RYM with Sputnikmusic with reviews with etc and etc, etc.
Ryus 07.16.21	ive prob had the most success with rym lists
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	All platforms have biases that won't align with your personal taste, so relying on any one platform too much is going to lead feeling frustrated eventually Hit a wall in musical discovery? Add another platform to your research
parksungjoon 07.16.21	>pots's taste is so shit that no actual living human being could ever have anything in common with him so spotify recs are really his only option i think its more interesting than most people's tbh :]
Ryus 07.16.21	def would rather have more potsys than boring ass users who only listen to [redacted]
parksungjoon 07.16.21	>All platforms have biases that won't align with your personal taste, so relying on any one platform too much is going to lead feeling frustrated eventually this is probably true tbh
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Colton, I think that it's better to find music through interactions with human beings than it is to find music through interactions with a computer program because I think community is an important aspect of being an enthusiast of any kind. If the two must coexist, I think it's best to prioritize the former when you can. That's literally my entire point. If you disagree, fine. If you want to convince me that I should start using Spotify then I'm sorry but that isn't going to happen.
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Also AGREED that it's very good to get recommendations from a variety of sources!
Colton 07.16.21	I'm not trying to convince you to use spotify I'm just saying that claiming it halts the progress of music as an artform and works against community interaction etc doesn't make sense and is pretty hyperbolic. Nothing that any of us say regarding music, or any of the music we share with ppl, does anything to progress the artform at the end of the day, and you can find music from anywhere and then share it with any community you want. You can find an album from spotify and then start a list about it and get people to check it out and discuss it if you want. If anything, that would be more beneficial, because you would be introducing people to music that possibly nobody on the site has heard of at all
Ryus 07.16.21	"Nothing that any of us say regarding music, or any of the music we share with ppl, does anything to progress the artform at the end of the day" pretty sure me shoutboxing the guy from vektor to tell him to stop making music helped progress the art form
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	Spotify has directly damaged the pop music industry in a direct way that caused the way Top 40 music is written to change Fuck I'm gonna need to locate this article now aren't I, fuck
Colton 07.16.21	that doesn't really relate to this though because spotify recommends you stuff that's similar to what you're into, if you listen to stuff that isn't catered toward the top 40 then it won't just suddenly start suggesting that stuff for you. That's more of a product of people having instant access to any song at any time so people become less patient
porcupinetheater 07.16.21	Honestly maybe take a step back from music for awhile and reset, too Sometimes go through periods where just about everything starts sounding rote and lifeless, and any enjoyment with it feels like it's coming from a purely analytical "hmm yes this sounds like something unusual and inspired" rather than an emotional place. And haven't always stopped listening b/c loving tunes is like part of my identity yo But started taking time off and going a few days/a week without jams and kind of prefer it. Feels like more of a choice than a self-requirement or whatever.
Colton 07.16.21	^ true. you could also just smoke weed
porcupinetheater 07.16.21	Bruh that's a gateway drug
sixdegrees 07.16.21	No don’t do that
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	This article works: https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/streaming-songs-changes-1.5002748
Colton 07.16.21	gateway to enjoying the fuck out of some tunes bro
Colton 07.16.21	yeah I get that ars but that's not really what we were discussing
porcupinetheater 07.16.21	Are you saying music's been gentrified, got a fence around it?
porcupinetheater 07.16.21	Get your torches and your pitchforks Wait shit
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	Yeah yeah you're talking about musical discovery and the best way to find the music you love (the answer is to cross-reference multiple sources and never to rely too heavily on any one) but Kompys had a side point about how he was worried about how Spotify was changing music and I kinda was trying to change the subject because we're kinda beating the first topic to death
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	Like if mainstream pop is being affected like that, I wonder what it's doing to the indie scene, or the hip hop scene, or the dance scene etc
parksungjoon 07.16.21	tbh if i had to guess i would have said spotify's negative impact is more in terms of how little they pay and stuff now i wonder, and hopefully someone who knows more about this can elucidate, but hasnt pop music always been inherently sensitive to these kinds of shifts?
Ryus 07.16.21	"Spotify has directly damaged the pop music industry in a direct way that caused the way Top 40 music is written to change" im not rly convinced this is a bad thing, nor that it's a new thing. in the 90s hip hop artists made albums really fucking long so they could fill an entire CD's worth. in the 60s albums were the main source of revenue for bands so they would release a shit ton of albums.
Colton 07.16.21	pop music has always kinda prioritized instant gratification, but the difference is when you put on a CD or a vinyl, it's a lot more effort to change the song or change to another album/artist. But I would imagine that this shift the article describes would start around when the iPod became mainstream, I don't see why streaming in particular would cause it
Ryus 07.16.21	"but hasnt pop music always been inherently sensitive to these kinds of shifts? " basically ya i think so
conesmoke 07.16.21	Sometimes go through periods where just about everything starts sounding rote and lifeless, and any enjoyment with it feels like it's coming from a purely analytical "hmm yes this sounds like something unusual and inspired" rather than an emotional place." I find this to be quite true. Maybe not the rote and lifeless, but sometimes enjoyment being from an analytical place rather than the preferred emotional place.
Kompys2000 07.16.21	I promise you Spotify is a cancerous tumor on the music world and does in fact both hurt the artform and people's ability to build communities around it (though, again, I do not judge anyone for using it! Many choices we make about what to consume and how to consume it are harmful in much more important ways, it's just how the cookie crumbles in the modern world) I could literally write an entire fuckin essay with citations about the negative effects of streaming but tbh I already feel bad abt derailing the convo so much so let's save all that for another day, yeah?
chemicalmarriage 07.16.21	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1025818&listid=127748#10
Colton 07.16.21	"Spotify is a cancerous tumour that is ruining music, I can't describe why but trust me I could write an essay with citations if I wanted to" lmao come on dude
Colton 07.16.21	streaming services are undoubtedly one of the best things to ever happen to music as a whole. everyone has access to any music they want from virtually any artist for just $10 a month, when it used to be $10 for one album. it's honestly a blessing, but instead of appreciating it people just find ways to complain, I don't understand
ReefaJones 07.16.21	I'll never pay a monthly fee just for the right to listen to music on general principle. Same shit with Netflix.
Kompys2000 07.16.21	We had piracy for 10 years before that which did the same thing for free
Kompys2000 07.16.21	See reefa gets it
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	" I don't see why streaming in particular would cause it" Apparently, it wasn't the iPod that did though, but streaming I think the article mentions that Labels/artists don't get paid on Spotify unless the song hits the 30-second mark, so maybe making sure listeners stay for 30 seconds is why
Colton 07.16.21	I can't imagine dedicating countless hours of your life to listening to and discussing music with strangers online yet $10 a month is asking too much, that's just ridiculous
Colton 07.16.21	the fact that you're endorsing a reefatake is probably sufficient evidence of how silly this take is, but it also makes no sense to talk about how spotify is killing music and destroying communities etc while advocating for piracy
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	"I could literally write an entire fuckin essay with citations about the negative effects of streaming but tbh I already feel bad abt derailing the convo so much so let's save all that for another day, yeah?" Make a list about it, IT WOULD BE GLORIOUS, a glorious shitstorm, but glorious all the same
ReefaJones 07.16.21	I'd rather own the music I like and not pay for just the right to listen to that music and as soon as I stop paying I don't have shit lmao. I pirate music and I buy what I really like directly. That way the artists get a lot more out of it than through a shitty streaming service where you can't even choose whether or not to listen to some shitty remaster of an album or not. What a waste lmao. My listening experience would be 10 times worse would I limit myself to spotify. It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	even the atreyu fans don't listen to their new albums so you shouldn't either
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	I do personally like having my own collection, so I agree there, but I also use Spotify as well (for artists I'm exploring) so idk a mix is good I go back to the whole don't rely too much on one platform argument. Spotify, Itunes, Bandcamp, YouTube, Soundcloud, other streaming services I guess....even if you don't like them all, don't use only one right?
LeddSledd 07.16.21	Spotify don't pay artists shit so there's that
Colton 07.16.21	it's ten fucking dollars, that's at the very max 1 hour of work to have access to infinite hours of music while supporting the people who make it in at least some small way "My listening experience would be 10 times worse would I reduce myself to spotify" your listening experience would be literally the exact same you would just be ten dollars poorer
ReefaJones 07.16.21	What's so great about exploring on spotify compared to youtube?
Avagantamos 07.16.21	I find out about most new stuff I hear through RYM charts and automatic recs, plus word of mouth from sputnik users. Then I go to youtube to see if it's something I dig, and if it is I hit up soulseek so I can have it in my collection forever, or it it's REALLY cool I'll spend some money on bandcamp. I used to have a spotify premium account, but I never used it and it felt like a complete waste of money for something that doesn't even have a lot of what I'm looking for, plus a lot of stuff on there is mis-labeled
Kompys2000 07.16.21	"it also makes no sense to talk about how spotify is killing music and destroying communities etc while advocating for piracy" See this is why I don't want to have this conversation here and now, you're saying something that's seems like common sense until you dig into the actual history of mp3 piracy and its impact on the industry, and what aspects of piracy the move to streaming actually addressed. It's a lot of ground to cover for a thread on sputnik music dot com that was originally about something else entirely.
Colton 07.16.21	might as well cover that ground you've made it this far
Kompys2000 07.16.21	@avag nice, I'm in a similar boat except I usually delete slsk downloads after a few listens if I don't like enough to buy
Colton 07.16.21	can't think of a better place than sputnik music dot com honestly
Colton 07.16.21	@reefa like youtube videos? switching between different youtube videos is a huge pain in the ass, eats up your data if you're not at home, and yt vids have tons of ads. but watching youtube videos isn't piracy anyway if you're talking about the Youtube Music streaming service, it's the exact same as apple music and spotify, $10 a month
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	Educate me Kompys If you're worried about derailment, make it a new list I'm so curious now
Colton 07.16.21	yeah plus the more we argue on here the greater chance we have of ruining johnny's morning when he wakes up
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"your listening experience would be literally the exact same you would just be ten dollars poorer" No it wouldn't. I would be limited to whatever shitty mix of an album spotify decided to offer. I wouldn't pay for that if I were a millionaire. I discover music through sites like this and rym, youtube and personal recommendations and if I like something I pirate it or buy it. There is literally nothing that spotify offers that I can't get elsewhere so why would I pay for it? I don't buy a 10$ meal every month that I hate just to throw it in the trash can either. Don't try to project you rpersonal experience with that service onto other people lol.
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Yknow what I actually am going to do a list about this sometime soon, look forward to 2k+ words of angry ranting about privatization lmao
Colton 07.16.21	@reefa I would stake my life on you not being able to tell the difference between a standard spotify/apple music mix and whatever other mixes you download in a blind test. and nobody's saying you have to pay for it, if you wanna be that cheap then that's your own decision, but I don't get why people can't just admit to being cheap instead of pretending streaming services are inferior
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"I used to have a spotify premium account, but I never used it and it felt like a complete waste of money" Dito. Had a premium account years ago and didn't use it at all. Just pissing away money. Same with Netflix.
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	The best thing to do with TV/movie streaming services is to share ike 5 across multiple families, each paying for 1 or 2
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	hell yeah i pay google $10 a month for that music app
Colton 07.16.21	it's also a colossal pain in the ass nowadays to put downloaded files from a computer onto an iphone. it used to be so easy. not sure about other phones. but that alone is worth the $10 for me
ReefaJones 07.16.21	Colton you are a really dumb motherfucker. Using spotify is what is being cheap. It's not just being cheap it's also dumb as most artists get very little out of you streaming their music. And there are a ton of albums with shitty remasters where you can absolutely tell the difference. Maybe buy a good pair of headphones/speakers or get your ears checked. What a stupid thing to say.
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	"it's also a colossal pain in the ass nowadays to put downloaded files from a computer onto an iphone. it used to be so easy. not sure about other phones. but that alone is worth the $10 for me" Not really, it's exactly the same? and I have an oldass iPhone 5 still
Colton 07.16.21	ohhh that's an angry reefa and the reefa take of the week is "using spotify is cheap but piracy isn't" good one
ReefaJones 07.16.21	You missed the part where I said that I also buy music. That's still more money that goes to the artist than would I limit myself to spotify so the joke is on you. I have a fairly large music collection. Maybe stop paying for spotify and in 10 years you could afford a decent set of speakers lmao
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	Maybe he means cheap in quality? I think a better take that would fit his (not my) perspective, is that it's lazy
Colton 07.16.21	that's not what he meant he's just an idiot
AnimalsAsSummit 07.16.21	Just download music to an MP3 player. Still remains the most effective and efficient way to keep track of large libraries of music.
Colton 07.16.21	how is that more effective and efficient
ReefaJones 07.16.21	Colton out here listening to music through a pair of shitty in-ears on his phone telling other people how amazing spotify is lmao.
Colton 07.16.21	i don't even use spotify
Colton 07.16.21	and yeah in ears are the best imo
ReefaJones 07.16.21	Colton probably owns a pair of Beats by Dre
LeddSledd 07.16.21	Skullcandy headphones 💪
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Apple earbuds do kinda hit different ngl
Colton 07.16.21	at the end of the day streaming services are for more convenient and provide ease of access to music that no other method provides, regardless of which particular one you use they're an awesome service and we oughta be more grateful, if you don't wanna pay for it that's fine but that's a personal decision regarding how you wanna spend your money and not an indication of streaming services being worse than other methods, they have probably slightly worse audio quality but the notion that some people have that they can actually perceive these differences in quality is usually just a weird ego thing that they've never actually tested, I hate you all and I'm going to walk my dog now bye
ReefaJones 07.16.21	I am not talking about making out the difference between a 256kbps mp3 and a flac. I am talking about the difference between 2 different mixes. The fact that you still don't get that after I told you 2 times is concerning. Are you good?
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	nothing wrong with what colton is saying about paying for streaming services and if the band really wants to make money off of you they will just follow the platform emery does and start up their own subscription service which can be used in conjunction with places like spotify, youtube music, apple, but you are paying the $3.50 a month or w/e to the band directly.
ReefaJones 07.16.21	Here's an exercise for Colton: Can you spot the difference? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coz0TmK2ZIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixmOAb6qzvY
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	there are multiple major differences between those two videos in the first 15 seconds
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"there are multiple major differences between those two videos in the first 15 seconds" Almost like you can absolutely hear the difference between two different mixes. In this case, one sounds shitty and the other one sounds great. On spotify you don't get to choose. In most cases you are listening to some shitty remaster that sounds ass
AnimalsAsSummit 07.16.21	There is no match to audio you can have as a flac and able to download and or master then put into your device (whatever that is, be it a computer, phone). Streaming services simply can’t compete.
conesmoke 07.16.21	You can certainly hear the difference. To me, it sounds like the remaster has been pushed through the limiter, reducing dynamics, it's why it sounds louder and flatter.
conesmoke 07.16.21	Also FLAC is just a compressed wav, wav is king, but it's file size is large.
ReefaJones 07.16.21	Flac and wav are both lossless so there literally isn't any difference at all between the two.
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	depends how each gets used =)
porcupinetheater 07.16.21	Spotify/streaming makes listening easy and accessible, is bad for artists, and the individual choice to use it or not to use makes no difference at all in the grand scheme of things
widowslaugh123 07.16.21	Check jazz You’ll never run out of material to listen to
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	better yet, check out Hypnotic Brass Ensemble
Kompys2000 07.16.21	I can't hear much of a difference between lossless and high-quality mp3 and am suspiciousof those who claim they can, but Spotify streams at like 196kbps on desktop and sub-100kbps on mobile if you're not paying for premium which is pretty fuckin pitiful
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"depends how each gets used =)" Care to elaborate? Wav just wastes extra space for all the silence. Flac also takes a little bit more processing power to play which shouldn't matter at all on modern devices. At least not to the listener
conesmoke 07.16.21	Can't put a FLAC file in a DAW and play around with it. Because it's technically not an audio file. It's a compressed version of an audio file.
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Finally circling back to actually reccing something, one of the more fun kicks I've been on recently has been getting into psybient so check some carbon based lifeforms :3
conesmoke 07.16.21	"I can't hear much of a difference between lossless and high-quality mp3 and am suspiciousof those who claim they can" Try listening to just one instrument the whole song between wav and mp3. Should be able to notice the instrument fades away into obscurity more in the MP3 due to the nature of MP3 encoding (it listens to what's at the front of the mix, prints that, and ditches everything else) works really well, but you can tell the difference
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Curious to try that now, will do so when I am back from work!
Storm In A Teacup 07.16.21	im pretty sure my little brother listens to music with the free version of spotify
Kompys2000 07.16.21	Tbh I kinda hope ur wrong just so I don't have to re-download my whole-ass music library lolllll
conesmoke 07.16.21	Haha give it a go
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"Can't put a FLAC file in a DAW and play around with it. Because it's technically not an audio file. It's a compressed version of an audio file." I've used FL Studio for years and you absolutely could work with Flac files there edit: I might actually misremember. Seems like FL Studio doesn't support Flac (anymore?) Must have converted them then.
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"Try listening to just one instrument the whole song between wav and mp3. Should be able to notice the instrument fades away into obscurity more in the MP3 due to the nature of MP3 encoding (it listens to what's at the front of the mix, prints that, and ditches everything else) works really well, but you can tell the difference" It has been proven in studies that people barely can tell the difference between 128 kbps mp3 and lossless. Anything above 128 kbps and it gets borderline impossible to tell the difference. I still have all my music in flac though. Why not
ArsMoriendi 07.16.21	what about m4a lol
conesmoke 07.16.21	There are also people that can tell the difference most of the time. Some music is more revealing of codec artefacts i.e. transient information, which can get lost in encoding. FLAC will sound the same as wav, but it's not really an audio file, it's a codec of the wav it was made from.
ReefaJones 07.16.21	"There are also people that can tell the difference most of the time." I have never actually seen proof of that, ever. It's always just people with very high opinions of themselves that want to act like they can. https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality I bet you won't be able to hear the difference here at all and will have to make wild guesses.
conesmoke 07.16.21	And when I say most of the time, that's most of the time with side by sides of the same song in different format. If the songs were all different songs in different formats, I imagine the test would be much harder
ReefaJones 07.16.21	did you do the test?
conesmoke 07.16.21	Yeah 1/6 ain't bad right? Lol. The only one I was confident about was the last one with the piano which I got right, if it's the same test each time have a listen to the dynamics in the piano hit at the start and there's a bit of a difference there. But then again, 1/6... Could be just luck and my brain playing tricks
conesmoke 07.16.21	Considering how much the file size drops with encoding, and the small amount of difference (there's a difference, even if it's small and unrecognisable most of the time) it's so damn good at replicating the sound
Colton 07.16.21	reefa <
ReefaJones 07.16.21	by 1/6 you mean you only got 1 wrong and guessed the uncompressed wav right each time? If so, I call bullshit
ReefaJones 07.16.21	or you mean you guessed 1 right in which case yeah, that's what I figured. You kind of proved my point there
conesmoke 07.16.21	No, other way around, I was honest that I failed, I also never claimed to be able to pick em everytime. But the piano one I got right, which was my most confident of the 6.
conesmoke 07.16.21	It's not easy, but I'm pretty sure there are tells in there, if someone did this everyday for a bit im sure they could hone it
nol 07.17.21	Spotify users are the scum of the earth. Use Tidal.
nol 07.17.21	pushing artists to try NFTs one stream at a time
conesmoke 07.17.21	I wonder if music sounded more magical to people before audio tech placed it everywhere. Probably
nol 07.17.21	probably sounded more magical before people started debating trivial shit on the internet
conesmoke 07.17.21	Yeah, that was after audio tech was invented though. So, yeah I agree
conesmoke 07.17.21	Does 4 million annual revenue for sputnikmusic sound right? That sounds like a lot of annual dough for 21 employees. Maybe that's about right? Idk https://www.zoominfo.com/c/sputnikmusic/353601789
nol 07.17.21	jk people who shit on Spotify users have small dicks
Avagantamos 07.17.21	MX gets 3 mil everyone else gets 50k
hal1ax 07.17.21	youre MY phoenixbitch < 3
conesmoke 07.17.21	Math checks out Avagantamos. Good on em. Ads rake it in harder than I thought.
ReefaJones 07.17.21	penile queefs are real
conesmoke 07.17.21	You take the test or what?
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	Fuck Good morning Sputnik
WatchItExplode 07.17.21	Not much in the way of recs but I know you've got a dopamine high going regardless
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	Unfortunately very far from the truth lol, v much washed out today. Will probably write something in response to the interesting/helpful comments up above soonish (v much appreciated, thank you guys) but for now I'm just mystified that the one time I start a successful fuck-spotify thread it's by accident and while I was sleeping
WatchItExplode 07.17.21	And now nobody wants to talk your ass
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	My arse is calm all is as it should be
Sharenge 07.17.21	review the Merzbow and/or Buckethead discography
Koris 07.17.21	Am I a bitchphoenix?
Lasssie 07.17.21	youve been so caught up in being johnnyofthewell that youve forgotten to be the johnnyofyourself
Koris 07.17.21	We do the things we do in life to appease ourselves, yet ironically, ourselves are what we don't bring with us to the next life
parksungjoon 07.17.21	hey johnathan what is up on with these profiles (see their shoutboxes) https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/Introu1 https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/PrincyAli https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/charlopiano https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/MIKOLINO
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	It's 3:56pm jfc how many drinks down Divergent? Drawing on what Pots and Kompys have said, I think the best use of this site sits in the middle of a venn diagram between listening to music for the sake of your own tastes/interests and listening for the sake of discussion/social interaction. I agree with Pots that leaning too much into the latter side ends up turning into an obsessive knowledge exercise and that there's limited point to keeping up with music just to keep up with everyone else (though I'd hazard a guess that 2021 Pots feels a fair bit stronger about this than 2020 Pots). But yeah, I definitely feel I've lost sight of much of what made me love music to begin with. It's been way too long since I made any major discoveries off-site that made me wanna come back and share them based purely on my own experience - time to hop off a few bandwagons and address this On the other hand, I don't think it's quite so simple to throw out the self-supporting parts of your living memeavatar. I get the point here, especially re. listening to stuff you know in advance will be a waste of time, but I think the distinction between stuff your brand leans towards and your actual interests can be pretty tenuous. For instance, I've actively kept up with jpop the least since 2018 this year - almost all my new finds have been from artists I enjoy or stuff people have specifically rec'd me, and if anything I've specifically enjoyed not being oversaturated. I'd even say that's the healthiest slice of my listening habits atm. Everything else feels a little scrambled and out of sync with itself; guess I'll be timing out on scavenging indie shrapnel and legacy threads from Sput and browsing elsewhere for a time. Also gonna get some fucking sleep, fuck me I'm wiped tl;dr thanks for your input; very helpful and I feel a lot clearer and happier about ignoring this site and its dumbass (anti)hype cycles for a time. onwards and onwards
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	uhhhh idk what's up with those accounts lmao. thought that charlopiano was legit but maybe I was wrong
parksungjoon 07.17.21	time for you to get into noise
Koris 07.17.21	I’m not drinking lol. Just referencing a vid I saw on YouTube
parksungjoon 07.17.21	u should reference this video instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE
budgie 07.17.21	what the hell thread is this
parksungjoon 07.17.21	but srsly wellington idk how applicable the advice is but for me branching out especially in directions that arent exactly sputcore has always helped and continues to help
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	yeah, I feel you dude / have always enjoyed sput most when I wasn't using it for sputcore and had my own speed on the go. gonna have a brood and figure out what the hell I actually want to listen to
parksungjoon 07.17.21	nadja is dope
garas 07.17.21	> especially re. listening to stuff you know in advance will be a waste of time It's no wasted time. Old favourites deserve all the love.
parksungjoon 07.17.21	i think that was about music others are hyping up that you already know isnt up your wheelhouse
garas 07.17.21	Ooooooh. That "re" really misguided me then. Sorry, I'm stupid.
parksungjoon 07.17.21	i think it was supposed to be Re: like email replies
nol 07.17.21	random but there’s two reasons why using Spotify isn’t as terrible as people make it out to be 1) artists willingly put their music there and 2) most of the artists I listen to are doing just fine, shit they should pay me
nol 07.17.21	I find the argument against streaming to be posturing and fairly insulting to people who literally can’t afford to listen to music thru other methods.
Relinquished 07.17.21	the artists could be doing better by getting paid by the platform and you know it anyone arguing otherwise in the sort don’t get it
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	artists willingly put their music on spotify in the same way as they've willingly signed label contracts that offer them a tiny sliver of profit for decades, the fuck kind of argument is that
budgie 07.17.21	why dont u love me johnny
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	budgie what in the fuck why don't i love you???
parksungjoon 07.17.21	johnathan should i replace this bio with something actually readable not just unformatted copypaste from the metal archives page https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/Messiah/7645/
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.21	Yes you should you are hero
parksungjoon 07.17.21	ok i did it
conesmoke 07.17.21	"i think that was about music others are hyping up that you already know isnt up your wheelhouse" But what if that album is the album that makes that genre part of your beloved wheelhouse?
parksungjoon 07.17.21	sure, its absolutely possible, you just have to ask yourself "how likely is that really" cuz u know, time and life aren't infinite
conesmoke 07.17.21	You have 3000 ratings and you're going to serve me that? Pfft
parksungjoon 07.17.21	over how many years? ;p
conesmoke 07.17.21	True, at least a few more then :)
Pangea 07.17.21	let loose and jam embarrassing dutch langauge pop with me
nol 07.17.21	I never said artists shouldn’t get paid more, I said I’m not in a financial position to give a fuck
Colton 07.17.21	johnny has a point that the argument of "they willingly put their music on spotify" doesn't really make sense, they willingly put their music on there in the same sense that people willingly pay taxes. but you could argue that without spotify it's likely that smaller artists won't have anyone listen to their music at all. at the end of the day the biggest factor in musicians getting paid is the connections they have, and their ability to convey their music in a live setting that people will pay to see. or building a following through some other medium and then directing people to their music
nol 07.17.21	“artists willingly put their music on spotify in the same way as they've willingly signed label contracts that offer them a tiny sliver of profit for decades“ yeah that’s exactly why I put my music on Spotify
nol 07.17.21	any artist who isn’t Bruno Mars who expects a serious profit from Spotify is living under a rock, it’s like musical socialism. But I thought sputnik liked socialism lmao
nol 07.17.21	Sputnik: I hate capitalism! Also Sputnik: it’s okay, I’ll buy your B-Sides EP, Phoebe Bridgers :]
nol 07.17.21	ok I’m done
Colton 07.17.21	what
nol 07.17.21	yes
loveisamixtape 07.17.21	"any artist who isn’t Bruno Mars who expects a serious profit from Spotify is living under a rock, it’s like musical socialism. But I thought sputnik liked socialism lmao" one of the dumbest comments in this whole thread, but only because of the implication that spotify is "musical socialism"
nol 07.17.21	there’s a point somewhere hidden in that word salad
nol 07.17.21	The point of streaming is that anyone can get access to any music they want whenever they want
nol 07.17.21	power to the people!
parksungjoon 07.17.21	who is this three letter 70 iq retard
nol 07.17.21	grr
nol 07.17.21	I’m gonna go enjoy the convenience of listening to whatever I want, see y’all later ✌️
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Nol I'm actually really disappointed to see u caping for Spotify like this
nol 07.17.21	why
nol 07.17.21	who the fuck cares
Kompys2000 07.17.21	I do! And clearly you do too or you wouldn't have posted all this ignorant bullshit about how streaming has somehow democratized access to music
Colton 07.17.21	kompys been malding hard in this thread lol
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Right i forgot that its cringe to openly give a shit about anything on the internet
LeddSledd 07.17.21	sorry user Kompys2000 you are cringe and butthurt and malding and also the soy wojak. no opinions for you!
Colton 07.17.21	the sanctimonious whining with no explanations behind it (which you assure us you could do, in a cited essay format if you wanted) is kinda cringe
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Nol, read "how music got free" and let me know of you still believe Spotify had anything at all to do with music becoming more widely accessible. Colton, I'll gladly make a list or something at some point in the near future outlining why I'm actually not talking out of my ass here, but in the meantime feel free to keep demanding strangers educate you from the ground up on the entire history of music in the digital age. So far your posture itt has really made me fuckin eager to put in that legwork
Colton 07.17.21	you come across as a total dick when you come at people as aggressively as you have just for their opinions, while also refusing to provide an argument when the burden of proof is entirely on you, and acting like they’re showing entitlement just for asking you to do that
Pangea 07.17.21	kompys has been very reasonable in this thread i think. like i use spotify daily and i think streaming has been great with making listening to music so convient, however there are definitely some issues with it that are worthy of being adressed. looking forward to his list.
Ryus 07.17.21	any artist who isn’t Bruno Mars who expects a serious profit from Spotify is living under a rock, it’s like musical socialism. But I thought sputnik liked socialism lmao
nol 07.17.21	go back to bandcamp
nol 07.17.21	Seriously, acting like you are morally superior because you don’t use Spotify is pathetic.
nol 07.17.21	it’s either Spotify or UTorrent for my broke ass and I think I know which one artists prefer And it’s like Pangea said, shit’s not black and white. You can enjoy the convenience of streaming while still being aware of its flaws.
Relinquished 07.17.21	yea gun to their head they prefer spotify
LeddSledd 07.17.21	there is some mutual malding itt methinks
Ryus 07.17.21	i feel like everyone has been very tense here recently we all need to smoke a big weed
ArsMoriendi 07.17.21	Hey guys, let's let Spotify run the government Joe Biden can DJ the parties also wtf is malding
fogza 07.17.21	What the world needs now, is love sweet love.
Ryus 07.17.21	When someone is expressing a large magnitude of rage, often over something relatively small, that the stress they are giving upon themselves causes their hair to fall out (thus, balding). Portemanteau of "mad" and "balding".
ArsMoriendi 07.17.21	What do you guys think think Janet Yellen's top Spotify artist is I wonder if she's more of a Beatles gal or a Stones gal
Ryus 07.17.21	barbara streisand
CaliggyJack 07.17.21	LMAO it's always on the consumer to foot the bill for the artist eh? Fucking Jesus I am not gonna pay all that money to own each song. Whether spotify pays em right or not ain't my fucking problem. I could never afford 80% of the music I listen to were it not for spotify. But fuck the poors right? Nobody on the street gives a shit about your stupid, pretentious view of "art". They want to listen to the latest bangers and move on with their day. Imagine giving this much of a shit about a site you have made it clear you don't listen to. If these artists want better pay go somewhere else or deal with it. Nobody is holding a gun to the artists head to sign the fucking contract. If that prevents you from making serious money from music, then go do a different fucking job or something, stop trying to force us consumers to foot your bill because you were too inbred to make a smart contracting decision. Y'all are acting like a bunch of fucking children over a generic streaming site. Imagine being this much of a braindead, attention deficit, shitweed that you spend your time bitching and moaning about the "art" of music in comparison to streaming. Art is a dumb blanket term used by fart sniffing "intellectuals" to give certain works some semblance of academic worth that doesn't exist. Get yer heads outta your asses. This stupid type of shit is why this site is becoming harder and harder to stick around with. Holy fucking shit this is the dumbest fucking thread I have seen in awhile and nol is 100% correct. It is not our fucking responsibility to give a fuck about a bunch of attention whoring 20 somethings whose only sense of validation comes from their instagram follow count and their spotify view charts.
ArsMoriendi 07.17.21	https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/536014-yellen-thanks-rapper-behind-hamilton-style-song-about-her-your Cursed or blessed?
Ryus 07.17.21	beyond cursed
Ryus 07.17.21	"If these artists want better pay go somewhere else or deal with it. Nobody is holding a gun to the artists head to sign the fucking contract. If that prevents you from making serious money from music, then go do a different fucking job or something, stop trying to force us consumers to foot your bill because you were too inbred to make a smart contracting decision." lmao
loveisamixtape 07.17.21	oh god lmao
fogza 07.17.21	Some of these posts are wow
Ryus 07.17.21	>But fuck the poors right? >If these artists want better pay go somewhere else or deal with it. Nobody is holding a gun to the artists head to sign the fucking contract. If that prevents you from making serious money from music, then go do a different fucking job or something, stop trying to force us consumers to foot your bill because you were too inbred to make a smart contracting decision. hmmm
budgie 07.17.21	fogza is this thread worth reading what is the popcorn ranking from 1 to killer klowns from outer space
GhandhiLion 07.17.21	280 comments wtf
CaliggyJack 07.17.21	@Ryus That isn't the contradiction you think it is.
Ryus 07.17.21	youre right its even more retarded
Ryus 07.17.21	im more baffled than anything else
fogza 07.17.21	budgie, i find the backend of this thread a bit sad, but I can't stop checking it out. If you're offended by spotify then you will need parental guidance to follow it.
LeddSledd 07.17.21	confirmed: Caliggy malding the hardest
nol 07.17.21	we all need to smoke a big weed lmao I’ve been off weed for 13 days which is the longest I’ve been in 8 years soooo yeah, but also no because sobriety is my new wave
CaliggyJack 07.17.21	"Caliggy malding the hardest" I really am. This shit is frustrating.
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Not sure how many times I need to clarify that I don't think any less of anyone who uses Spotify, it is in fact very convenient and no one is going to hell or anything for using it. But yes I do not in fact think I'm morally superior for using bandcamp, even if I do think its a better service in a multitude of ways Also ngl I kinda respect caliggy just openly admiting he doesn't give a fuck if artists get paid or not, like I disagree but at least he's being honest with himself
Colton 07.17.21	i’m just looking forward to kompys’s properly cited essay about the evils of spotify even though he thinks piracy is great and says he prefers it. he better be typing away right now
nol 07.17.21	does bandcamp have silk sonic
Colton 07.17.21	oh shit there he is what timing
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Yknow what I am literally just gonna dm whatever I end up writing to pang and ars because you're being so obnoxious about this
ArsMoriendi 07.17.21	Nice
GhandhiLion 07.17.21	Calligy is that pasta
Colton 07.17.21	make sure you dm them your properly formatted citations too
Ryus 07.17.21	now it is honestly caliggy if you genuinely believe what you wrote then i mean this sincerely, stop listening to music
Colton 07.17.21	kompys is the “my girlfriend goes to another school” of essay writers
GhandhiLion 07.17.21	Im gonna start buying more new albums every year now. Thanks for the encouragement.
fogza 07.17.21	I dunno why but I'm getting a little upset seeing nol and kompys fighting, like in my ideal world I want everyone to hug it out in the next 4-8 comments
Colton 07.17.21	nah it's hype
DoofDoof 07.17.21	I think maybe admit there’s different music tiers for yourself: I enjoy listening to a lot of albums I only initially listen to 1-3 times but then suddenly an album will come out of the blue and it’s an instant classic. The trawling through those other albums isn’t worthless and often you can’t predict the life changing album - so just enjoy the ride of listening to stuff you ‘quite like’ and don’t force or fret the incredible album. It will suddenly appear
Colton 07.17.21	good matchup imo
nol 07.17.21	@kompy XOXOXOXO I don’t really care about this
DoofDoof 07.17.21	I really like LastFM because it shows the important new discovery albums, usually only on average one a month you really listen to so much more than anything else at the same time
nol 07.17.21	it’s funny tho cuz I’ve spent like 1000$ going to concerts and and buying merch so I definitely financially support artists I like, we just live in a world where convenience is king when it comes to the actual act of listening.
fogza 07.17.21	Yay! Olive branch 🕊️
Colton 07.17.21	keep in mind kompys was saying that piracy is good and better than spotify and that he agrees with the notion of "not paying $10 a month for music on principle"
nol 07.17.21	I pirate shit all the time so I’m not sure I disagree.
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Yeah all love nol, I still disagree pretty strongly but we're all passionate about music and I don't doubt everyone itt does more than your average person to support the art they like (except uhhh maybe caliggy lmao) Also well said doof
Colton 07.17.21	yes but that makes me really curious as to what his elusive, top secret argument against spotify is
ArsMoriendi 07.17.21	Maybe if you guys didn't gang up on him he would've made a public list I'm looking forward to reading it anyway
Kompys2000 07.17.21	Lol it was kinda just Colton
Kompys2000 07.17.21	He doubts my ability to effortpost smdh
Ryus 07.17.21	post it Nic
Drifter 07.17.21	i would like to read a list from kompys and then not comment cause i dont care enough but i'll read : D
Colton 07.17.21	hold me back bro
ArsMoriendi 07.17.21	"He doubts my ability to effortpost smdh" But your last like 25 lists were effort posts, does he not follow those?
Kompys2000 07.17.21	He asked why I don't just "find the popular music I enjoy and listen to that" so apparently not lolllll
Colton 07.17.21	kompys is such an intellectual that his opinions are legally classified as deadly weapons. that's why they must remain top secret
CaliggyJack 07.18.21	"honestly caliggy if you genuinely believe what you wrote then i mean this sincerely, stop listening to music" Get over yourself dude
nol 07.18.21	this list can burn
CaliggyJack 07.18.21	"Yeah all love nol, I still disagree pretty strongly but we're all passionate about music and I don't doubt everyone itt does more than your average person to support the art they like (except uhhh maybe caliggy lmao)" Whatever you seem to have taken from what I posted is incorrect and I don't know how the fuck you came to this dumb fucking conclusion.
nol 07.18.21	there should be a tv show called Everybody Hates Jack
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	Damn, I wasn't expecting an F-bomb to be dropped This thread's dead
Colton 07.18.21	it's alive
sixdegrees 07.18.21	List has been closed for posting by moderators
Colton 07.18.21	close all other lists
CaliggyJack 07.18.21	"there should be a tv show called Everybody Hates Jack" they hate me cuz they aint me
Ryus 07.18.21	"Get over yourself dude" LMAO it's always on the consumer to foot the bill for the artist eh? Fucking Jesus I am not gonna pay all that money to own each song. Whether spotify pays em right or not ain't my fucking problem. I could never afford 80% of the music I listen to were it not for spotify. But fuck the poors right? Nobody on the street gives a shit about your stupid, pretentious view of "art". They want to listen to the latest bangers and move on with their day. Imagine giving this much of a shit about a site you have made it clear you don't listen to. If these artists want better pay go somewhere else or deal with it. Nobody is holding a gun to the artists head to sign the fucking contract. If that prevents you from making serious money from music, then go do a different fucking job or something, stop trying to force us consumers to foot your bill because you were too inbred to make a smart contracting decision. Y'all are acting like a bunch of fucking children over a generic streaming site. Imagine being this much of a braindead, attention deficit, shitweed that you spend your time bitching and moaning about the "art" of music in comparison to streaming. Art is a dumb blanket term used by fart sniffing "intellectuals" to give certain works some semblance of academic worth that doesn't exist. Get yer heads outta your asses. This stupid type of shit is why this site is becoming harder and harder to stick around with. Holy fucking shit this is the dumbest fucking thread I have seen in awhile and nol is 100% correct. It is not our fucking responsibility to give a fuck about a bunch of attention whoring 20 somethings whose only sense of validation comes from their instagram follow count and their spotify view charts.
sixdegrees 07.18.21	List has been closed for posting by moderators
Ryus 07.18.21	mods asleep post caliggy pasta
LeddSledd 07.18.21	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/images/members/1068232.jpg
nol 07.18.21	Ryus do you purchase all the music you listen to
Ryus 07.18.21	not even in the slightest i use spotify mostly
budgie 07.18.21	ew spotify
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	Okay imagine this: a mattress that is 60x60 dimensions sitting in the middle of a field EDIT: I removed the "roller hockey" field because it felt arbitrary
sixdegrees 07.18.21	List closed for posting by moderators
Ryus 07.18.21	well sixdegrees that contributed nothing
nol 07.18.21	“not even in the slightest i use spotify mostly“ then shut the fuck up lmao
Ryus 07.18.21	when did i argue against spotify
Ryus 07.18.21	i dont fully agree with kompys
nol 07.18.21	I suppose
nol 07.18.21	so you agree with jack then
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	Guys forget this Spotify argument and think about the giant mattress With a nice light blanket appropriate for the summer and some pillows with silk cases, and maybe a headboard incase you want to lean up
budgie 07.18.21	"Okay imagine this: a mattress that is 60x60 dimensions sitting in the middle of a field" what use is a 2 dimensional mattress!!!!!!!!!
sixdegrees 07.18.21	Are you okay?
Ryus 07.18.21	"so you agree with jack then" funny thing is he wasnt wrong at the beginning but then he said this "If these artists want better pay go somewhere else or deal with it. Nobody is holding a gun to the artists head to sign the fucking contract. If that prevents you from making serious money from music, then go do a different fucking job or something, stop trying to force us consumers to foot your bill because you were too inbred to make a smart contracting decision."
JohnnyoftheWell 07.18.21	wtf lol @all of this but that part of caliggy's comment is literally a getlow take with more words
LeddSledd 07.18.21	why did you copy and paste my comment? its an honest question because i don't get it. is it a way of letting me know my comment was dumb or something
budgie 07.18.21	im surprised you guys still bother to read calligy's posts, i think he outed himself as a clueless moron a while back
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	"what use is a 2 dimensional mattress!!!!!!!!!" WHAT, um it's 3 dimensional, I just wasn't really considering height because most mattresses are about the same height?
budgie 07.18.21	"WHAT, um it's 3 dimensional, I just wasn't really considering height because most mattresses are about the same height?" what if im a dwarf. or a snaga. everybody forgets about snaga
nol 07.18.21	lmao Jack’s wording is always something else I’ll give you that
nol 07.18.21	and “get a different job” is pretty lame. Tho I will say as a starving artist myself, getting a job on the side doesn’t hurt
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	Dwarves can use regular mattresses budgie, as can orcs (or snaga...)
nol 07.18.21	It’s hard to make money when you are starting out as an artist, that’s not just gonna magically change if Spotify dissolves. Pretty much a fact of life.
budgie 07.18.21	🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
nol 07.18.21	I actually decided NOT to major in music composition for that very reason. I strongly considered it.
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	🛏️
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	Guys, instead of arguing imagine all of us just chillin on the giant mattress looking at the summer starry sky
Colton 07.18.21	Cosmic Jared
JohnnyoftheWell 07.18.21	In The Sky With
nol 07.18.21	I’ve been trying to make a sleep playlist
nol 07.18.21	on S P O T I F Y
JohnnyoftheWell 07.18.21	the new Clairo already dropped dude oh well in that case FUCK you
ArsMoriendi 07.18.21	I heard a 2020 release today by this lady who calls herself L'Rain because it was advertised as weird-psych mixed with neo-soul, but it was kinda too cluttered and not very catchy/memorable upon first listen Will need to check it again...also checked her debut cuz both are under 30 mins, similar problems
budgie 07.18.21	🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🛏️🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊 germany rright now
CaliggyJack 07.18.21	"and “get a different job” is pretty lame. Tho I will say as a starving artist myself, getting a job on the side doesn’t hurt" I worded it more aggressively than necessary. What I meant was we all need to be somewhat responsible for ourselves. Not everybody is destined to be an artist no matter how hard they try. Sometimes you need to give up on dreams in order to discover new ones. If things are so bad that you need to guilt consumers into buying stuff over streaming which is easier on them, perhaps it isn't wise to make it your sole profession. The reality is these contracts suck, but signing them because you're afraid of losing the opportunity is nobodies fault but the signer. Sometimes you have to walk away, and that sucks, but that's reality. Call it defeatist, that's fine, but I've never jived with the "pursue your dreams" sentiment of modern society. "im surprised you guys still bother to read calligy's posts, i think he outed himself as a clueless moron a while back" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gY8lIH63oQ
Ryus 07.18.21	honestly tho johnny i feel you. sometimes i go through too many albums a day and dont really feel like im consciously enjoying any of it. prob need to take a little break
Ryus 07.18.21	i love caliggy hes a lil rascal
Aberf 07.18.21	or you can be like me johnny, just listen to a few albums a day that I play over and over again.
budgie 07.18.21	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
parksungjoon 07.18.21	can u please approve my edit
JohnnyoftheWell 07.18.21	I can't approve edits unfortunately but I can delete every Aberf comment off the site one by one peace out Ryus, let's get some plane tix and go holiday somewhere well shaded
parksungjoon 07.18.21	well now i am sad
JohnnyoftheWell 07.20.21	very suddenly remembered what i stole this title from. kinda shocked because I never saw this and have not actively thought about it since 2019, but a strong brand goes a long way ig. marketing bois are making stooges of us all http://fringereview.co.uk/review/edinburgh-fringe/2019/im-a-phoenix-bitch/
WatchItExplode 07.20.21	So I've now noticed that Spotify works everything you listen to into your mixes, regardless of whether or not you actually like it. As someone who tries out new albums constantly while liking relatively few, this is becoming an issue the longer I'm with the service. It also weight some things super heavily while ignoring things I've gone out of my to "like" extensively. I don't know if anyone has suggestions for overcoming these issues, but I might have to give up Spotify when my free trial expires in October.