SCREAM!: The Blackest Metal Tourney Discovery Round 3

SCREAM! 04.27.15	I actually really enjoyed both of these so it's going to be a tough call
SCREAM! 04.27.15	oh and voting closes Thursday :]
Gameofmetal 04.27.15	Cascadian awesomeness more like. So utstott won the last round?
SCREAM! 04.27.15	Yup! Beat Troll by a good 3 or 4 votes
YakNips 04.27.15	swag i jammed 2 again last night excited to jam 1 once i get home
emester 04.27.15	This gonna be tough. Both albums rule so i can see eithet album being the victor
hal1ax 04.27.15	1 already sounds awesome! I just wish I could find a decent copy of it instead of having to resort to the muddled youtube quality.
Valkyrion 04.27.15	been busy this weekend so I had no chance to vote on the second round... not that it would have mattered anyway I heard 2 already and have higher hopes for 1
Gameofmetal 04.27.15	We should do this for another genre after this is done. Death or doom most likely, or maybe something non metal
Lethean 04.27.15	two
SCREAM! 04.27.15	@game I actually got this exact idea from Friday13th who has done this twice for progressive rock (participated in both) and once for psychedelic rock (didn't join that one). It's a great way to delve deeper into a genre you're interested in @hal1ax http://www.4shared.com/zip/OtAsAKDm/Threnos_Demo.html (do u even google bro?)
Valkyrion 04.27.15	doing it for a less popular genre would require different rules for obscurity (for ex. 5 or 10 ratings instead of 20) but it is doable. I'd say do it for a non-metal genre since there's been too much metal brought up lately on the front page
hal1ax 04.27.15	oh shit thanks. i need to learn2google
Gameofmetal 04.27.15	1 is pre good atm
SpiritCrusher2 04.27.15	just commenting to get this in my discussions, will listen later
hal1ax 04.27.15	fuck, both of these albums are really good. this will require some intense deliberation.
linguist2011 04.27.15	Both albums' descriptions sound very promising. Will check tomorrow and most likely cast my vote.
Gameofmetal 04.27.15	Can already tell this is gonna be a close one. 1 could beat 2 simply because 2 seems overly short to me
emester 04.27.15	2 is an EP so its length is justified in my eyes
Gameofmetal 04.27.15	Oh damn it's an ep? I just assumed it was a full length for some stupid reason lol
SCREAM! 04.27.15	EP or not, if you don't feel fullfilled by the end it could be a deciding factor Might be for me
YakNips 04.27.15	lol this is rough because i dug 1 a lot still probably prefer 2 ill have to listen to 1 more
SCREAM! 04.27.15	how original^
L4titudes 04.27.15	LP vs EP?
L4titudes 04.27.15	should have read the comments first....
L4titudes 04.28.15	I'm going with Threnos as of today.. will listen again tomorrow but there wasn't much about Addaura to set them apart from other similar bands. Threnos just feels fresher and more expansive .
MoosechriS 04.28.15	Gonna jam both again later, reckon this one's gonna be close
porcupinetheater 04.28.15	Both great, everyone's right, both would have handily trounced either band from the last round, but for my money, I've got to go with Threnos here. By Blood and By Earth sounds to me like an album relatively unrestrained by the constraints of a style, and so it winds up covering much more ground than Addaura which strikes me as being more of a band playing towards the specific established "Cascadian" black metal sound, just doing it very well. It never really rises above it in the way that Threnos frequently does, whether it be with ventures into truer post-rock (or even hardcore tinged) territory, and with such a great balance between moments of pulverizing energy and melancholy restraint that are given all the more power (in isolation or in comparison to Addaura) thanks to the variance of style, presentation, and mood around it. Basically, both bands do everything they set out to do very very well. Threnos sets out to do more, and thus wind up doing more well. Voting #1.
Keyblade 04.28.15	damn addaura have a new release, im so out of the loop
p4p 04.28.15	this is tough. i love both records so not gonna vote.
p4p 04.28.15	yeah the drums reminds me of neil perry
SCREAM! 04.28.15	Ehh traditional wasn't the right word but I was just trying to sag that were getting away from the folky stuff and back to the regular guitar/drums/bass stuff (also not very well said but meh)
SCREAM! 04.28.15	With that said Threnos gets my vote. I enjoyed both (even tossed a few bucks Addauras way on band camp) but Threnos is rawer and more energetic and the length makes it feel like a more complete release
BandNewbac 04.28.15	Addaura yah. 1 is still gd
zaruyache 04.28.15	Threnos definitely. Addaura are good, but not nearly as interesting. Threnos pwn.
linguist2011 04.28.15	I found the Threnos album quite intriguing at times, the adventurous musicianship is really well executed. Plus the closing title track has a lovely intro. Will check the second album now.
Hyperion1001 04.28.15	"I don't see how "cascadian" black metal is traditional (furthest thing from it) " lol cascadian black metal takes everything they know from burzum which is about as traditional as you can possibly get. burzum and emperor are "traditional", shit like bathory is proto
Hyperion1001 04.28.15	its not really an opinion, the standard for black metal is the second wave and thats almost universally agreed upon, regardless of how elite repping first wave extreme thrash metal makes you sound.
linguist2011 04.28.15	My vote is for 1. The Addaura EP is pretty good but I think I got much more out of Threnos' release, plsu there was more time for some of the ideas to stretch out. Not complaining that 2 is too short, but it left me wanting a little more overall.
Hyperion1001 04.28.15	"your black metal knowledge is sad" theres this weird post-enlightenment misconception in western thought that just because people have the right to freedom of speech means that everyones opinion is equally valid, which is a fallacy. interpretation of history is subjective, but historical events and context are largely objective. not matter how much you want to argue the point, "black metal" as a sound was defined and refined by the second wave movement, there and there is a good amount of data to back this up. even your beloved "true metal hero" fenriz doesnt disagree with this.
Hyperion1001 04.28.15	ad hominem attacks add nothing to the conversation.
p4p 04.28.15	like hyperion said the 1st wave only paved the way, the sound was defined by the norwegian scene in the 90s
Gameofmetal 04.28.15	Kinda don't want to get into this but it's obvious that burzum did pretty much lay the foundation for cascadian bm.
Valkyrion 04.28.15	voting for Threnos
Balerion 04.28.15	1st wave created a foundation for 2nd wave to expand upon. OvDeath you claim to know so much about black metal with your condescending remarks. Many of the genres greats have all made similar comments about how black metal cannot be defined by riffs, tones, or production, its about feeling attitude and the expression of real human emotions. Saying that the "Cascadian" bands aren't playing black metal is ignorant as fuck. That said I vote for Threnos
MoosechriS 04.28.15	still undecided, some more listens are gonna be needed to try and separate the two.
TheSpirit 04.28.15	Both are amazing, but Addaura is one of my favorite black metal bands, so Addaura. "its not really an opinion, the standard for black metal is the second wave and thats almost universally agreed upon, regardless of how elite repping first wave extreme thrash metal makes you sound." This. " burzum is there too but comparing burzum to cascadian bm is a joke." lol, what? everything the cascadian bm scene does takes direct inspiration from Hvis Lyset... and Filosofem.
L4titudes 04.28.15	My vote stands. Threnos all the way.
Gameofmetal 04.28.15	Im gonna tentatively say my vote goes to Addaura, but it's so fucking close. Addaura really grew on me on the second listen, and despite the fact that it's an EP which sort of initially held me back from thinking it was better, I'm gonna go ahead and call it. Threnos was fucking great too.
TheSpirit 04.28.15	If only it was their first demo, that shit is classic Imo
SCREAM! 04.28.15	Interesting that you'd say that. I'd actually written off Addaura because I was so unimpressed by their demo a few years ago. This EP was a pleasant surprise from a band I wasn't expecting much from
TheSpirit 04.28.15	Oh man I love that release. "White Deer" is one of my favorite black metal tracks ever. Did you listen to Burning for the Ancients?
SCREAM! 04.28.15	No I haven't. Like I said no had pretty much written them off till now. I remember finding it really unoriginal and like it was just rehashing what everyone else was doing in the scene. They still aren't particularly original but I find their songwriting better here with additions like piano
YakNips 04.28.15	yea i adore both of these but im going with addaura
zaruyache 04.28.15	I feel like Ancient's Svartalvheim has a bit of a proto-Wittr sound to it in parts, too. Wittr were influenced by like Burzum and Weakling, with maybe some Emperor thrown in? And then other cascadian bands just ran with it, some going all Bergtatt, others going more atmospherical and raw.
Gameofmetal 04.28.15	I get the burzum and weakling parts but where are you guys hearing emperor in cascadian black metal?
zaruyache 04.28.15	in wittr the minor use of keyboards and synths and experimentation with clean vox. It's not a huge influence but I think it's kind of there a little bit?
Gameofmetal 04.28.15	Idk, that just sounds like burzum stuff to me
hal1ax 04.28.15	i really dig both of these records, but my vote is for 1. The lack of content in 2 kind of sealed the deal for me. I realize it's an EP but it just never really left me as satisfied as the Threnos record did. Also, 1 feels a bit more versatile as a whole, and has fucking killer riffsss.
ShadowRemains 04.28.15	jesus christ snox
zaruyache 04.29.15	Maybe it is Burzum. I barely listen to anything Varg because I find it hard to justify listening to that wackadoodle's music instead of almost anyone else's.
Gameofmetal 04.29.15	hard to pass up hvis and filosofem tbh
zaruyache 04.29.15	wittr vs darkthrone = lotsa those not-blast-beats drum rhythms with tremolo riffs and a melodic lead tremolo. Basic black metal riffing used by both groups. Early Samael was more slowed-down thrash though, wasn't it?
adarkishman 04.29.15	i chose bergtatt
Hyperion1001 04.29.15	The trio of genre defining albums all came out in 94, Transylvanian hunger, hvis lyset, and nightside.
oltnabrick 04.29.15	and this https://goropsy6.bandcamp.com/album/v-mac-and-cheese it completes the quadrology
Hyperion1001 04.29.15	Also I think I like that threnos album better out of these two.
zaruyache 04.29.15	Arizmenda, Fell Voices, there are tons of bare bones no synth no keys black metal of death bands out there.
zaruyache 04.29.15	">thinking tranny hunger is darkthrone's defining black metal album" a genre-defining album, not their genre-defining album, as if to imply they had only one.
Hyperion1001 04.29.15	Lol check that logical fallacy If a band puts out an album that so well encapsulates and defines a genre so that basically an entire scene is fed off its success id call that a genre defining album That's like saying slaughter of the soul isn't the genre defining melodeath album just because red in the sky is better You can't base your interpretation of historical events solely on your subjective experience, it doesn't work like that.
Keyblade 04.29.15	ughh
emester 04.29.15	well this thread went to absolute fuck. Anyways I'm sticking with Threnos on this. Both albums rule hard, but the raw aesthetic of Threnos' sound and riff work make it edge out on top for me
adarkishman 04.29.15	nice list OvDeath but u forgot deafheaven
hal1ax 04.29.15	like a war zone in here. anyway, these records both rule. Just bought Burning For the Ancient, by Addaura, and its awesome.
evilford 04.29.15	"I'd say do it for a non-metal genre since there's been too much metal brought up lately on the front page" THIS IS ULTRA-FALSE THERE IS NO SUCH DAMN THING
SCREAM! 04.29.15	Crazy what one little misused word can do to a thread
Cosmoblue 04.29.15	I really loved the new Addaura release, but so far after 1 track, the first one seems really up my alley so it's going to be a tough call.
MoosechriS 04.29.15	Gonna vote for threnos on this one, closest round so far. But the rawer, rougher nature of threnos won me over. Still paid 5 dollars for addauras release on bandcamp in the hope that it may go towards a physical release. One thing is certain though, i will be listening to both of these bands long after this competition ends.
Cosmoblue 04.29.15	I really enjoyed the Threnos album, but I think I'm going to vote for Addaura. It's hitting me harder right now, especially that last track.
ChoccyPhilly 04.29.15	threnos is awesome. It gets the balance of intensity and more mellow parts well and very little of it over stays its welcome. Looking forward to hear the other album now
ChoccyPhilly 04.29.15	Yo, scream. Would it be too much to ask to give give the voting scores for each album once you get to the counting process?
SpiritCrusher2 04.29.15	voting for Threnos, awesome album
Deathconscious 04.29.15	hyp is right, the "second wave" created the defining sound. "but fenriz said so!" quoting musicians you idolize doesnt automatically make you right snox. try thinking for yourself. i like fenriz but he never grew out of that "tr00 metal, everyones a poser" phase.
Aftertheascension 04.29.15	this thread is hilarious
zaruyache 04.29.15	Fenriz saying trve bm is 80's bm doesn't make it automatically so, though. It's your opinion what "trve bm" is, and most would put it as the second wave sound.
SCREAM! 04.29.15	@choccy first round was Sabbat - 13 and Flames of Hell - 5 Second round Utstott - 9 and Troll - 6
BallsToTheWall 04.29.15	I'm too out of my element currently to partake in this unholy tourney. Not in game shape. #FOREVERALONE
zaruyache 04.29.15	just pretend and vote threnos since they're better anyway.
TheSpirit 04.29.15	Fu buddy
BallsToTheWall 04.29.15	I'll flip a coin. Tails was Threnos and tails I got. So. #THRENOSFORSATAN #IFORGOTHOWTOBM #METALSENILE
zaruyache 04.29.15	eh heh heh heh heh. You can't beat the cascadian godfathers :3
emester 04.29.15	If anything I'm suprised nobody suggested Nightbringer for the tournement
SCREAM! 04.29.15	Yeah I heard really great things about them and was extremely underwhelmed when I checked out a few songs
zaruyache 04.29.15	Heard some of their stuff from last year's LP and didn't think much of it. It was pretty popular though, wasn't it?
emester 04.29.15	Really? I dug Apocalypse Sun quite a bit. The new album was underwhelming though
SCREAM! 04.29.15	I'll check out those albums if you guys really think they're worth the time. I had looked them up on youtube quickly and what I heard didn't get me interested in hearing more
BallsToTheWall 04.29.15	Let's be honest, Blood Cult and their bluesy, cowbell imbued redneck black metal should be on one of these. Blood Cult will be heard.
Aftertheascension 04.29.15	Nightbringer are really good
zaruyache 04.29.15	"it was pretty big OUTSIDE of Sputnik" Ye that's what I meant. I remember it being pretty well-received on RYM last year. Those people have been known to have pretty weird tastes, though.
TheSpirit 04.29.15	What do you mean "those people"?!?
zaruyache 04.29.15	you heard me, kid.
ChoccyPhilly 04.29.15	Voting for Threnos. Like most people, there was more substance to it and more to enjoy IMO. Addaura felt a little directionless and aimless at times but it was still good
adarkishman 04.30.15	deafheaven defined black metal in 1990 way before the other bands ffs
zaruyache 04.30.15	dfhvn lp3 will be a watershed moment in 3rd wave bm. Consequences will never be the same.
Cosmoblue 04.30.15	They'll be releasing a BM version of Opeth's Watershed?
zaruyache 04.30.15	god I hope not that album is like 1/2 meh songs.
Cosmoblue 04.30.15	Still 10x better than their last 2
zaruyache 04.30.15	Yeah, Coil/Heir Apparent/The Lotus Eater (the good tracks from Watershed) pwn anything they've done since for sure.
Balerion 04.30.15	@ Zaryuache I predict deafheaven's 3rd LP will actually bring the BM, more so than Roads or Sunbather anyways. Couldn't tell if you were srs
zaruyache 04.30.15	Oh I'm totes srs. I think Watershed is pretty meh. Heir Apparent and Lotus Eater can't carry the rest of those meh prog metal songs that go nowhere. Also there was a pic of their drummer(?) playing a big drum on its side (no idea what that's called), so I'm thinking at least this album will be more experimental. I mean it could be more bm, but using a drum like that seems like there will be some pretty chill sections.