Necrotica: Government Shutdown

Necrotica 10.01.13	:/
evilford 10.01.13	:/ [2]
someguest 10.01.13	No, this isn't really scary at all. It's men playing games that men always play. Life goes on.
skeames1214 10.01.13	Trying really hard to give a shit, but... nope.
DrMaximus 10.01.13	END OF DAYS!!
evilford 10.01.13	BUG OUT!!
alachlahol 10.01.13	yo necrotic which of these albums you gonna be listening to during the shutdown
someguest 10.01.13	WHAT IS IT? IT'S IT! WHAT IS IT?
Trebor. 10.01.13	get rid of republicans
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	@someguest it's scary for the people that work for the government and provide for there families based on the money they make. I happen to be directly effected in this situation.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	Or if moderates actually got elected. shit would actually get done in a reasonable manner.
someguest 10.01.13	I would advise your family member to become an 'essential' government employee by the time the next government shutdown rolls around. :p
Trebor. 10.01.13	"ive never met a moderate liberal" wtf a liberal politician in America is basically a conservative in Europe This is all Republicans' fault by the way, why the fuck would Obama defund his own bill stop fucking whining about it and causing people to lose jobs over it
skeames1214 10.01.13	@joshuahuntkc if it's any consolation, last time there was a government shutdown they paid all the workers who were furloughed.
MikeC26 10.01.13	I'm pretty embarrassed for our government... What will be saying in 30 years about this shit?
someguest 10.01.13	The House Republicans never learned the definition of compromise and negotiation, even after all those years in law school!
Trebor. 10.01.13	"What will be saying in 30 years about this shit?" They'll be saying "Wow Obamacare was such a success, I can't believe those fucks shut down the government over it"
someguest 10.01.13	It won't be a success right away. There will be a lot of bugs to work out. But in the long term, yes, it will be a great success.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	@skeames1214 I can only hope they do the same this time, otherwise my family is screwed. On the bright side I'll be spending more time with your beautiful people on sputnik. lol
skeames1214 10.01.13	@Trevor yeah, I feel like our current healthcare system is something we'll look back on with some shame. Capitalism has it's place, but it's not in healthcare.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	ive never met a moderate liberal that's probably because a moderate can't really be anything but moderate. They aren't conservative or liberal, they are moderate. But if you were going to lean more towards the liberal side that's basically a libertarian.
Trebor. 10.01.13	Hey, at least Breaking Bad has a believable plot because of our shitty healthcare system
someguest 10.01.13	You can be a moderate with liberal leanings and a moderate with conservative leanings. These terms aren't pigeonholed.
skeames1214 10.01.13	@joshuahuntkc you can keep pumping out those reviews, man! Seriously though, I am sorry about what you're going through.
Trebor. 10.01.13	"But if you were going to lean more towards the liberal side that's basically a libertarian." libertarians are always fiscally conservative and sometimes socially liberal, which would put them more on the conservative side. As Sonic usually says, a libertarian is just a republican who smokes weed
Parallels 10.01.13	gonna have to blast my Bad Religion vinyl then
skeames1214 10.01.13	Libertarians can be alright. I just think if you're going to take that tact then you better be super fucking involved in making your community a better place.
Trebor. 10.01.13	The society libertarians want is as believable as Narnia
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	@cinaedus lol that couldn't be further from the truth.
someguest 10.01.13	"Libertarians can be alright. I just think if you're going to take that tact then you better be super fucking involved in making your community a better place." Lol. Libertarians are self-serving turds, that's why they don't give a fuck about what anyone else does. Their eye for eye mentality is idiotic.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	Libertarians want something that would be good for everybody, if it was realistic it would be. But uniting our country behind someone like that would never happen and it would essentially eliminate the party system if it was ever implemented. That basically goes for libertarians and moderates.
MisterTornado 10.01.13	Matana Roberts Official Hype Thread
someguest 10.01.13	The government shutdowns and we all get healthcare. It looks like we should have shut this shit down a long time ago.
skeames1214 10.01.13	@someguest I think it's incredibly idealistic, but I do know a few libertarians who are genuinely good people whose political beliefs arose from the idea that people helping people directly is the best way to go about things.
skeames1214 10.01.13	I tend to agree, just pointing out that not all libertarians are selfish assholes. Some are just naive.
someguest 10.01.13	Okay. It's just that the outspoken libertarians (read: rich) calling for people to help their friends, neighbors, etc. are really just talking down to their libertarian inferiors (read: poor), trying to keep them busy with 'community efforts' to stop them from rising to the top and taking their place higher up on the income food chain.
skeames1214 10.01.13	@someguest Can't say I disagree with any of that. I think libertarianism as a political force is ultimately harmful.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	@cinaedus it's only idealism because of the way our political system is set up. It's not retarted. it could be implemented in an effective way if someone seriously ran with it, set up clear political goals and actually got people to stand by him. the representation of what a libertarian is in mainstream politics is totally off base. They show you someone that has no chance and is just put in to represent a decent number of people in a totally non efficient cop out way.
someguest 10.01.13	"i.e if you dont think like them you're wrong LOL" Isn't this why we have political parties, to form groups of the like minded? Of course people are going to disagree. The key is compromise. And now we've gone full circle within this list.
skeames1214 10.01.13	@FourthReich I'm actually a socialist. I just think it's important to understand other points of view. It furthers communication, which helps us avoid stuff like what is currently happening.
someguest 10.01.13	My dad calls me a socialist. He's not far off.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	We just need a bunch of moderates who are willing to compromise in office, Instead we have a bunch of congressmen and women who lean more towards the extreme sides of the political spectrum and every single issue, even the simple ones turn into a knock down drag out fight. its childish.
skeames1214 10.01.13	"My dad calls me a socialist" My dad is a socialist. It's not a bad thing.
someguest 10.01.13	"We just need a bunch of moderates who are willing to compromise in office, Instead we have a bunch of congressmen and women who lean more towards the extreme sides of the political spectrum and every single issue, even the simple ones turn into a knock down drag out fight. its childish." Bologna. Anyone can compromise, but these weasels are too busy having a tantrum - the same one they've been throwing for years. It's time to fling the doors of the House wide open and throw these people out on their asses like a drunk at a bar.
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	Sure anyone can compromise but who is more likely to usher along a comprise than a moderate. a liberal and conservative are never going to be able to come to an agreement if they have strong ideals on anything.
someguest 10.01.13	Reich acts as if his condescending tone isn't as bad as the blunt remarks.
someguest 10.01.13	The question I want to ask all right leaning individuals: if you're not progressing, why are you here?
Trebor. 10.01.13	They act like liberal is a curse word as dirty as cunt or whatever, but it just means you stand for liberty and shit, fuckin like come on
skeames1214 10.01.13	@FourthReich if you agree, then try to practice it. Intellectual discourse is hard to come by, and it pretty much dies when emotions get involved and people get angry. If someone says something you don't agree with, even if it offends you on some level, make a rational, level-headed response. You have to be willing to understand other people for the system to work. Saying things like "I've never met a moderate liberal" does nothing to further the conversation. Even if you feel like you've been forced into a confrontational mindset, you still need to make an effort to communicate.
Trebor. 10.01.13	Someone make a music video out of Shut It Down by Drake with footage of Congress and Obama
Trebor. 10.01.13	"but some are truly fighting against the fact that obamacare is an extremely flawed system and may in fact be unconstitutional." It was ruled constitutional by the supreme court, and Obama would never sign a bill defunding his own bill, so the 50 or so times they've tried is a complete waste of tax payer money and just goes to show how little house republicans care about the American people. And known they're going to let thousands go jobless out of their ass level stubbornness
Trebor. 10.01.13	If they really thought Obamacare is so flawed and would be a huge failure, they'd happily let it go through and watch it fail and then rally for 2014/2016 and shit
someguest 10.01.13	"is an extremely flawed system..." It is a work in progress. "...and may in fact be unconstitutional." It's basically a tax. Do you think taxes are unconstitutional?
joshuahuntkc 10.01.13	Hey guys, I'm not picking sides, but have any of you read the healthcare proposel. No. You haven't. Your not qualified to judge it. no one in congress really is either. that's an even bigger problem.
someguest 10.01.13	Yeah, I don't buy that.
skeames1214 10.01.13	@FourthReich I have had hundreds of discussions about politics with a variety of people, and only a few times has it gotten so heated the conversation broke down. And I'm a socialist who lives in Missouri. I think you'll find if you make a sincere effort to listen to what people have to say, they'll do the same for you. If you want your views to be implemented in public policy, you absolutely have to let people examine them, and that's the problem the house republicans are having right now. They'll pick at other peoples worldviews until the end of time, but what do they have to offer? Backwards social policies (I think the majority of Americans can agree there) and nothing in the way of constructive government. If you want to see a certain kind of change, you have to be a part of the solution.
someguest 10.01.13	"i also find it odd that everyone in the gov pushing for obamacare want and are going to be exempt from it.." I'm not a woman but I support women's health solutions. Don't be a straw man.
Parallels 10.01.13	just in case you were wondering, the govt (including the president and the people in congress) are still getting paid their nice checks through this shutdown. Their pay is considered mandatory on the list of govt expenses.
skeames1214 10.01.13	g'night everybody, be nice to each other. :)
someguest 10.01.13	"just in case you were wondering, the govt (including the president and the people in congress) are still getting paid their nice checks through this shutdown. Their pay is considered mandatory on the list of govt expenses." An insignificant argument considering most of them are rich outside of their government incomes.
Trebor. 10.01.13	"i think it's unconstitutional that my insurance premium is going to double or maybe triple this month because of obamacare" ahh I remember that part of the constitution, oh wait no I don't, stop being dumb
Spec 10.01.13	Let it burn.
someguest 10.01.13	It sounds like you should be blaming your healthcare provider and not the government. Your provider doesn't really care about you, regardless of how great you think your plan is right now.
someguest 10.01.13	You don't get penalized for dropping before March. You will not pay $10k to join a new plan. If you're happy with your current plan, keep it. But don't blame Obamacare on your rising premiums. If you've taken a look at the costs of the program, you'll see that it varies from state to state, which means the federal government (the one that created Obamacare) really isn't determining the costs of it.
PunchforPunch 10.01.13	http://www.wikihow.com/Go-from-Being-Preppy-to-Being-Crust-Punk
chemicalmarriage 10.01.13	let the motherfuckers burn
Necrotica 10.01.13	^ Damn, pretty harsh there
Necrotica 10.01.13	Dat face
CK 10.01.13	Welcome back btw
Cygnatti 10.01.13	"...and may in fact be unconstitutional." what part of - being introduced to congress - tons of debate - being passed in congress - being signed by the president - and being reviewed by supreme court and ruled as "constitutional" that is literally by-the-books constitutional. that's how laws get passed, I do not understand why this "might be/is unconstitutional" business is still going on after all of that.
mindleviticus 10.01.13	oh well
Destructerator 10.01.13	"An insignificant argument considering most of them are rich outside of their government incomes." (@someguest) No man should be so rich he lives without consequence for his actions.
Cygnatti 10.01.13	they get tons of money from lobbyists, nig.
zxlkho 10.01.13	are there any spots left in canada
anarchistfish 10.01.13	"ive never met a moderate liberal" in the technical sense (i.e. classical liberalism) it's an oxymoron I think you call them libertarians in the USA now, but in the original sense libertarianism is a left wing idea semantics are fucked
anarchistfish 10.01.13	then again, what does "moderate" even mean
NeroCorleone80 10.01.13	A "moderate" would be someone who takes ideas from both the left and the right and waters them down in an attempt to appeal to a larger group of people.
Cygnatti 10.01.13	that's one way of looking at them.
AnotherBrick 10.01.13	It's a sad day when you have to escape from Facebook to Sputnik to not get retards talking about politics, so tired of seeing this shit all over my Facebook. "pretty sure that the republicans introduced a bill that would fund the govt and defund obamacare, and the stubborn ass democrats have to have their shit care so they didn't go for it, so as I see it, its all on the democrats and like always they are pointing fingers at the republicans, take responsibility, and learn facts before speaking, thanks, and good night." ^"just hit a grand slam!!!"
Cygnatti 10.01.13	Well them damn demos ain't shutting down the govt as a desperate temper tantrum so
BallsToTheWall 10.01.13	I think...i'm gonna have a nice fap.
Destructerator 10.01.13	"Perhaps if our government stopped giving all of our tax money to people who don't belong here and started charging criminals money to sit in prison, doomsday wouldn't be on it's way right now! Just a thought!" - From a person on my newsfeed
demigod! 10.01.13	happy to be canadian
Cygnatti 10.01.13	Getting criminals to pay for jail lmfao how stupid are they?
DikkoZinner 10.01.13	lol republicans. when you have the likes of sarah palin & michele bachmann on your roster....
TheSupernatural 10.01.13	This thread makes me think Trebor is retarded. The Democrats suck. The Republicans suck. However, there are a few decent Republicans out there. I can't think of a single Democrat who isn't totally full of shit.
TheSupernatural 10.01.13	If you guys are concerned about wasting tax money, cut taxes. No money to spend, no money to waste
Cygnatti 10.01.13	Lol. Your understanding of politics is so rudimentary.
DikkoZinner 10.01.13	Game Change was a good movie
ZombieParty 10.01.13	Gta 5 online isnt working how annoying
CK 10.01.13	http://doradorovitch.bandcamp.com/
CK 10.01.13	Good fuck everything music
suppatime 10.01.13	sex pistols
Necrotica 10.01.13	^ Pretty good band for sure
TREO5 10.01.13	Godspeed You Black Emperor is going to be blasting out of my speakers tonight. The car is on fire, and there is no driver at the wheel.
someguest 10.01.13	They haven't been at the wheel for years.
Motiv3 10.01.13	Well I'm glad I'm not American right about now.
someguest 10.01.13	It's really being blown out of proportion. Only a fraction of the workforce is out of work from the shutdown, and all those who receive governmental assistance will still get it, excluding WIC (benefits for pregnant women, mothers, and young children).
none 10.01.13	"Well I'm glad I'm not American right about now." yes a black president can't be good
TREO5 10.01.13	And it's all over healthcare!
someguest 10.01.13	It's quite embarrassing, isn't it?
TREO5 10.01.13	OUT OF PROPORTION???? THE AIR FORCE-NAVY GAME IS BEING CANCELED AND YOU SAY IT'S BEING BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION?!
someguest 10.01.13	Meh, sport is sport. I've never really cared about it. Muscle flexing doesn't advance society.
TREO5 10.01.13	I'm totally kidding man. CNN apparently feels that is worthy of front page news though.
LambsBread 10.16.13	No kidding? The Communist News Network thinks a government shutdown is front page worthy? : P It's been over two weeks and the sky hasn't fallen yet, in fact, most people hardly noticed a thing who didn't turn on the hysteria on CNN, MSNBC etc. Basically Obama did this to distract from all the negative things happening to his administration lately. The actual threat is if Obama Care passes and you give the executive branch that kind of power (to exempt certain businesses from the insurance requirement, select which insurance companies get included in the government plan etc.) ... this country is a mass clueless fools, there is almost no rational thinking happening anywhere in large groups
TheSupernatural 10.16.13	^there's lots of truth to this, but the problem is much larger than the ACA