Storm In A Teacup: Say Bye To The Pope

Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	Hey I'll take Mr. Popo as the new Popo.
Wolfhorde 02.11.13	Last year he demanded more exorcists. That dude is the epitome of a traditionalist Bavarian catholic. Fuck them.
Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	Disgusting
Fluttertrank 02.11.13	HANG THE POPE! HANG THE POPE! HANG THE POPE! HANG THE POPE! HANG THE POPE!
0vrot 02.11.13	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes ARE YOU READY FOR THE END TIMES
TheBigLebowski 02.11.13	Leaving a life of sodomy behind...
ConsiderPhlebas 02.11.13	Never read a good thing about the guy, sounded like a lunatic from day one. Seems odd that he quits, it's not like popes are expected to be spry and hardworking. Points for originality, though.
0vrot 02.11.13	DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROPHECY IS ALMOST HERE THE NEXT POPE WILL BRING THE DOWNFALL OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
jefflebowski 02.11.13	can't exactly say i'm sad to see him leave, though it's nice of him to hand over the job of preaching hate and furthering persecution to someone else for a change
ConsiderPhlebas 02.11.13	He'll have to piss away a lot of money to bring down the church, because scandal and corruption don't even cause a dent.
Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	They don't have the money to piss away actually and they don't need money they already have the power of influence. Their valuables are treasures that they display.
ConsiderPhlebas 02.11.13	I haven't read much about the church in a long while, but I've never come across the notion that the church is financially anything less than extremely wealthy
Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	To the point they don't have enough money to piss away. They have priceless treasures that they can keep because they couldn't piss their money away no matter how hard they try.
MetallicOpeth 02.11.13	he has been looking pretty worse for wear recently
ConsiderPhlebas 02.11.13	Ah, yeah. Wasn't actually envisaging it happening, I'm sure the church will be among the last organizations standing when our species comes to its end.
ZombieParty 02.11.13	I have put in a job application to be the next pope
Calc 02.11.13	he quit cuz he was old and decrepit. I hope the next one is American.
Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	You don't apply you're chosen although back door politics ya know
KILL 02.11.13	whos gonna fuck my puckered asshole now
MinusDrummer 02.11.13	Good. He's a creep
Sauce 02.11.13	i thought EVERYONE thought the vatican was corrupt... well it is.
NorwichScene 02.11.13	Bye Pope
Calc 02.11.13	there is a large organization in the universe that isnt corrupt
fish. 02.11.13	Even back when I was a practising Catholic I really disliked the Vatican. This came out of absolutely nowhere though.
fish. 02.11.13	First time this has happened in 600 years
Trebor17 02.11.13	Popes have done so much fucked up shit throughout history
andcas 02.11.13	which pope is the one who condemned condoms to keep people safe from aids?
fish. 02.11.13	All of them But this one did so infamously
andcas 02.11.13	people worship the pope as if he's equivalent to the importance of god. I'm pretty sure it says in the bible that, in itself, is a pretty big sin.
Trebor17 02.11.13	Idolatry yeah
fish. 02.11.13	No one worships the pope
Calc 02.11.13	No one worships the pope [2]
andcas 02.11.13	calling major bullshit on that.
Trebor17 02.11.13	Did you see that fucking mob of people when the last pope died? People worship these kiddy fiddlers dude
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	I mean I think everyone on sputnik is gonna be like "fuck da pope" which is fair and all either way I wish I was still in Rome right now for this I'm sure they're going crazy over there eating extra gelato and smoking even more cigarettes and stuff
fish. 02.11.13	Some people revere him cos he's meant to be the spokesperson for god. That's not the same as treating him like a god
Trebor17 02.11.13	How the fuck can god have a spokesperson? You shouldn't have to advertise your religion, if you thought it was true then you'd think people would flock to it anyway And how the fuck can any person know how god feels or whatever, he doesn't say shit ever and just hangs out with santa claus and stuff
andcas 02.11.13	there are plenty of fanatical catholics that treat the pope like god. it's a fact.
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	So... does that mean he's admitting that God no longer speaks directly through him? Since he's alive does he get to pick the next person God directly speaks through? Did God stop speaking directly through him before or after he decided to resign? All these questions and more on the next episode of dumb crap people actually believe.
Calc 02.11.13	lol treb trying to incite something. worship and reverence are two different things. I bet in general people feel more strongly towards the beatles than they do the pope, and that's still not worship.
fish. 02.11.13	Don't ask me, I stopped believing in this stuff a while ago cos I had the same questions. But it's funny watching people pretend to know how the church works and judge it just cos they feel like they're in a position of superiority over it
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	Treb, the pope is the only person on Earth who hears the direct voice of God and tells it to everybody else. Supposedly. Why God lets a bunch of old cardinals vote on who he talks to is anyone's guess, though.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	I feel like this is a petty argument that just comes down to semantics when in actuality everyone kinda agrees but yeah I feel like in general (besides a very small, select minority) Catholics definitely are aware of the boundary between Pope and deity and toe the line accordingly
Trebor17 02.11.13	This thread is sure to be a lot of fun but I have women's history in 20 minutes :(
Calc 02.11.13	@atomic he resigned literally because he doesn't believe he has the mental or physical faculties to do his duties anymore. i respect that and plenty of politicians should probably follow this example.
ConsiderPhlebas 02.11.13	You don't have to direct worship to deities, you can pay 'great admiration and respect' to anything, especially a sacred personage. But that's just the Oxford English Dictionary, and fuck that dictionary, what does it know?
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	this is like JoePa all over again
fish. 02.11.13	This thread is sure to slowly slide deeper into shit over the next few hours
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	Yeah, I know. Just along the lines of the religious stuff, he's screwing the pooch. The last time a pope resigned was in the 1400s (the time of antipopes and general feuds and bickering about who should be in charge and what should happen) and the role of Pope is supposed to be the divine interpreter of God's message. Anything he said is, supposedly, the authentic and true word of God. That's not a job you just quit. There's a reason no one's quit it in hundreds of years. From a personal standpoint, I don't blame him, but he's hanging his religion out to dry.
andcas 02.11.13	saw this on facebook. pretty funny: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/531999_4100266439758_506527636_n.jpg
Calc 02.11.13	you shoulda said intotheshit lol
Calc 02.11.13	I dont believe that at all man, he's just being more pragmatic than his predecessors. If you can't do what is expected of you as a leader, you step down. Catholics won't be lost without a pope for a couple months or how ever long it'll take to vote a new one, so the religion will be fine.
andcas 02.11.13	unfortunately.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	"I dont believe that at all man, he's just being more pragmatic than his predecessors. If you can't do what is expected of you as a leader, you step down. Catholics won't be lost without a pope for a couple months or how ever long it'll take to vote a new one, so the religion will be fine. " religion isn't and shouldn't be held up the standards of "pragmatic" or "what is expected of you as a leader," it operates on its own terms because it claims divinity and supernatural and shit when you look at it like it's a business yeah then it makes total sense, but problem: Catholicism claims it's a little more than a business and should be treated accordingly when the pope pulls stuff like this
andcas 02.11.13	scottie would've made a great pope in eurotrip.
theacademy 02.11.13	thought the description said "world peace is vita!" and i was like fuck yea because, and let's get serious for a second, more people need to give the vita a shot. Mobile games are becoming more and more about the community that the platform must support. Sure, the first instinct is to play the games individually but the larger the gaming community, the stronger the support we will see from developers. Most multiplayer experiences on the vita have, in my estimation, been great (excepting the mortal kombat port). I would like to see this handheld set a new standard but hey that's just me, mr. early adopter hoping that im not BURNED YET AGAIN.
Calc 02.11.13	well since religion by definition is organized belief it needs to have structure, especially today. I don't know what you mean by it operating under its own terms, but regardless of what the organization offers (eternal life, salvation, etc) leaders should be able to step down if they don't think they can do their job instead of running it into the ground. and when you say this: "Catholicism claims it's a little more than a business and should be treated accordingly" what does that even mean?
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	I don't know acad, there's something about sitting down on the couch in the comfort of your living room and becoming much more immersed in a game that I think many find intriguing. Sure, there's convenience of being able to play games on the subway or on a car trip etc., but I think there's something to be said about the power and comfort of the more singular, concentrated effect of playing games via console or PC.
ViralOblivion 02.11.13	I could give a fucking shit all religion is bullshit
Calc 02.11.13	your posts always contribute the most to any thread viral keep it up.
theacademy 02.11.13	Oh of course, Sea. I'd never advocate for a replacement of those experiences. Never in a billion years. I'm just saying that mobile gaming is far from dead-- rather it's at a crossroads. iOS and Android games make so much money, but they pollute and dilute the marketplace. Its a shame... like my main man Marcus (rest in peace) said: we got good kids playing bad games. My point, simply put, is that mobile games adopting some of the more comprehensive elements of traditional console/pc games should be something we, as a society, wholeheartedly support.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	I was just saying that you seemed to be treating the situation like it was a business leader or politician stepping down - in which case it'd probably be the right decision - but here it's someone who claims to have been hand-chosen by God and speaks directly to God and communicates his will to the masses I think you have to put more weight (when judging the situation) into what history's shown and what scripture and tradition say... which is overwhelmingly along the gist of "This guy is there for life because God himself put him there and he's the best one for the job and it's not like any other job or position where you can just quit because all things are possible through God and God gives anyone the strength to do anything etc. etc." just my take does that make sense?
andcas 02.11.13	so how much does the pope get paid to believe in spaceman?
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	he gets the penthouse suite in heaven
andcas 02.11.13	sweet. probably gets set up with a customary kid in every room.
theacademy 02.11.13	"I was just saying that you seemed to be treating the situation like it was a business leader or politician stepping down - in which case it'd probably be the right decision - but here it's someone who claims to have been hand-chosen by God and speaks directly to God and communicates his will to the masses I think you have to put more weight (when judging the situation) into what history's shown and what scripture and tradition say..." hardly. I mean, sony's ascension was earned through a superior output... sure the launch campaign for the ps3 might have represented ill-conceived hubris, but if any platform is guilty of playing god its nintendo.
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	What Sea said. From the religious perspective, he fucking rose to the rank of "Can Fucking Hear God. Directly. In My Ear. Telling Me All Of Everything About All Of You And Life" and has decided to give it up. One issue is that he's giving up a magical power, which is a confusing thing. The other is that he's giving up Divine Mandate. Think about it this way. In the Apostate, if you follow the theology, God chooses the Pope (through Cardinals? Whatever). In a way, this is a rejection of God. If God chooses you to be fucking Pope, you don't just quit because you get old. PJP2 sure as hell didn't. I get his blase "I'm feeble" thing for the modern thinker, but for the doctrine of the Church, "God said it's cool to quit" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue properly.
theacademy 02.11.13	PS2 sure didn't quit. THats for DAMN SURE.
andcas 02.11.13	maybe he's sick of hearing god run his mouth. I'm sure he's an insufferable whiner.
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	"PS2 sure didn't quit. THats for DAMN SURE." PS2 owned face, agreed.
Calc 02.11.13	he doesn't claim God chose him, unless he's delusional which I doubt cuz its a vote who gets to be pope. I'm looking at it that way because that's how I view religion. You may be able to say all things are possible through God, but people can't walk on water or go years without eating. I think this pope doesn't seem to be completely saturated in christian dogma and can realize he's not whats best for christians, so he rightly stepped down. I see what you're saying but I think what your saying is to traditionally biased for this day and age and situation. This is pretty progressive for the pope to actually do and not that i care about the state of christianity as a whole but im glad he did it, just to show its not about him.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	I see what you mean and that's fair I was going to look up quotes and stuff to further prove my point but then realized I don't care nearly enough, I understand your point the real question is: what does the Pope's withdrawal mean for the gaming community? I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft tried to capitalize on this event somehow, with something timely.
Hyperion1001 02.11.13	satan
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	I'd agree, being that I agree with your views towards religion, but from the lens of a Catholic (which follows a traditionalist dogma, mind), the issue is that it pokes holes in the curtain of the magic show. And yup, even when people clearly vote you in, it still means God chose you. God chooses everyone. So I guess God chose this to be Joey Ratz's time to step down. I just don't think he has a good religious explanation and, because of that, it'll hurt them in the eyes of their followers. And if you asked him if God chose him to be Pope, I guarantee you he'd say yes.
Calc 02.11.13	You guys are missing the point. Ouya is the future of gaming, and when it descends from Mt. Olympus you all will be smited for sticking with whats so familiar.
andcas 02.11.13	the pope is a dlc character for the new mortal kombat game.
Calc 02.11.13	but like I said, I don't think this pope is so completely saturated in the dogma. otherwise he wouldn't have stepped down in the first place. He'll say what he's supposed to say of course but stepping down i think proves his actual mindset
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	pretty sure the pope is like the epitome of, like the characterization of dogma so I think Atomic is just pointing out how that "pokes holes in the curtain of the magic show." edit: the Pope the role not the pope the current guy
Calc 02.11.13	yeah but the pope is still a man, and i think that man, is more realistic about things then people would like to believe.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	"yeah but the pope is still a man" yeah but catholics like to believe he is more the hand of god than he is a man hence this poking holes in their beliefs
theacademy 02.11.13	"the real question is: what does the Pope's withdrawal mean for the gaming community? I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft tried to capitalize on this event somehow, with something timely." "the pope is a dlc character for the new mortal kombat game." xbox exclusive obviously
andcas 02.11.13	I wonder what his fatalities will be.
Calc 02.11.13	raiden already does every fatality the pope would do since he's zeus
fish. 02.11.13	justice systems & stairs
Calc 02.11.13	@sea some catholics. I don't think people are nearly as religious anymore, those people just don't get the attention the radicals get.
AtomicWaste 02.11.13	Some people really are. It's kind of scary.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	"some catholics." ... and theologians
BigTuna 02.11.13	i'm not a catholic, but in my eyes the pope's decision actually does have some theological validity. there's a humility involved that resonates with christ's death on the cross, a subversion of how the world (and the religious leaders of the time) understand(s) power. by resigning, he admits his humanness, admits his weakness, admits that any human institution, even one (like the papacy) upheld by God, is subject to corruption. meekness and humility are staples of the christian life and christian theology. so, except for the most conservative and literalist catholics holding tightly onto tridentine beliefs, this comes as a shock but not necessarily as something that will poke holes in the curtain of the magic show.
North0House2 02.11.13	He died a virgin. xoxoxo.
sixdegrees 02.11.13	bye pope palpatine
toxin. 02.11.13	"This is pretty progressive for the pope to actually do and not that i care about the state of christianity as a whole but im glad he did it, just to show its not about him." I don't get this logic. Isn't the whole point of religion to not be progressive? I figure religion is traditional because religion is tradition. While it's wise to step away from dogma for a second and get with the times (like with the world isn't flat, or that condoms can actually be good), it doesn't make sense from a pure theological point of view. If they keep doing this, doesn't religion just become another organization, as they move away from beliefs, especially ones that border on morality? (And for the record, I think it's good for humanity if the Vatican gets with the times, of course, but it just doesn't make sense from a religious point of view.)
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	pshhh somebody didn't read the update... Bible Version 5.2 xtonin... I'm pretty sure the Protestants have it now, Catholics still use the 3.0 version lol
Aids 02.11.13	last one was a nazi, let's see if we can't install a convicted rapist this time around!!! Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Catholicism!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AdolfChrist 02.11.13	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79_xwxrjoCw
Calc 02.11.13	if you read everything before that, I'm not looking at it from a religious point of view im looking at it exactly how your saying it. what the pope did is pretty progressive regardless of what things "should be". and aids the dood wasn't a nazi he was in the hitler youth when it was compulsory to do so.
BigTuna 02.11.13	tradition is always reinterpreted and reimagined within new contexts. tradition isn't synonymous with old and stuffy, or it shouldn't be anyways.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	"tradition is always reinterpreted and reimagined within new contexts. tradition isn't synonymous with old and stuffy, or it shouldn't be anyways." I forget exactly which denomination you subscribe to, but it deeeeefinitely sounds like you're interpreting the situation in that more liberal sense as opposed to a catholic lens, where things are much more literal and based in tradition
Aids 02.11.13	"and aids the dood wasn't a nazi he was in the hitler youth when it was compulsory to do so." yeah I know but I like making fun of the pope. like, nice name, dilch. "Benedict Ratzinger" oh ok nice name dilch.
Trebor17 02.11.13	I honestly forgot we still had a pope until today I thought people had moved passed shit like that I mean it's 2013
Aids 02.11.13	Catholicism is still the biggest religion in the world by most counts. over a billion people still listen to what that dumbass says like it's the true word of god.
klap 02.11.13	yeah every catholic i know listens to everything the pope has to say with rapturous attention
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	me and klapper are jesuits we know whats up
Trebor17 02.11.13	Catholics are the most likely to renounce their religion too so wag
BigTuna 02.11.13	yeah sea, i'm understanding all this through an obviously protestant lens :) but i think there's a conservative-liberal spectrum within catholicism just as there is in protestant christianity, and so there would be some catholics who understand tradition in a less stagnated way than others.
Trebor17 02.11.13	I think catholics are the most likely of the christians to use condoms too They basically don't actually care about their religion, it's like a guilt thing I guess Like my dad's catholic and he doesn't do shit
Calc 02.11.13	people cant make fun of the whole religion if they acknowledge that....so zip it. and treb's in here so things will prolly get ignant pretty soon. cut ties tuna
Aids 02.11.13	"yeah every catholic i know listens to everything the pope has to say with rapturous attention" well ok not directly but eventually, yeah. more than any other faith, those motherfuckers stick to their dogma by the word. I know not all catholics hang on his every word, but whatever he says eventually gets adopoted into their belief system, without fail.
SeaAnemone 02.11.13	from my experience (going to a jesuit school, studying in rome under some legit theologian peoples, briefly living with non-living catholics)... that sort of thinking wouldn't be too off from what many catholics believe but it would be incredibly opposed to what anyone with a strong catholic background / is a priest or theologian etc. would believe
BigTuna 02.11.13	what about rahner, von balthasar and the whole school of thought that influenced vatican ii? or jp ii for that matter. rahner was a jesuit, did you run into his theology at all?
curseworship 02.11.13	I went to Jesuit high school, the pope was always looked at as something archaic.
Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	My very religious Russian friend calls marijuana Pope and calls smoking marijuana, "Poping".
curseworship 02.11.13	I wanna hang out with that guy
Storm In A Teacup 02.11.13	And btw I'm Catholic as I said and I scoff at every pope, except the marijuana kind.
curseworship 02.11.13	I'm a recovering Catholic who adores the herb