Norma Jean
Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child


4.5
superb

Review

by TrojanWhore USER (6 Reviews)
March 29th, 2011 | 46 replies


Release Date: 2002 | Tracklist

Review Summary: We Are the Christians? Not quite - but the roots of a band predominantly known as one of the pioneers of the noisier, more chaotic hardcore scene. However, even though it is near a decade old, Norma Jean was only ever Norma Jean when Scogin was frontman.

Okay, so I didn't actually do this. But I almost rated this with a 5...

However, unrefined gems are not perfect. Thus, the clear conclusion is that Norma Jean's debut album may not be perfect - but it is a damn fine acquisition to a general hardcore/breakdown-riddled music fan (such as myself), if they own a copy of this. Let me summarize as quickly and with as much simplicity as I can.

A) Josh Scogin - Not many reviewers will start off a review raving about how good the lyrics/vocals are unless they are something quite exceptional. In this case, I'm perhaps a little biased toward this album (and Scogin) but I'll get to that later. Put simply, the man may be repetitive with his tone and his rhythmic phrases but his lyrics are like poetry in the majority of cases. The album opener is a a smack in the face...

and that brings me to B) How Raw the Production Is and The Delivery/Execution of the Material.

I like the sound the band had here. Every member of the band contributes equally to what is going on, with every member making a deserved effort (in Scogin's defense, an outstanding one at times). Another thing is every riff can easily sound bland and uninspired - but a lot of them sound really, really heavy. And dissonant, which when combined with some relatively simplistic but versatile, interesting drumming, goes well with the manic, anguished shouts/cries of torment that is present on the album throughout. Back to reason A however - Scogin writes very good, metaphorical lyrics. He is the genius of the one-liner and this album is littered with them, like hooks almost. Album single (and probably most famous breakdown/intro riff ever in all metal-core aside from maybe Converge or some mainstream crap, idk) Memphis Will Be Laid To Waste (probably the second best track on the album) is punishing in pretty much every respect. Josh's screams of "Now you're doing the waltz with your mur-de-rer" are somewhat murderous in actuality. So he does a good job. Previous track Face: Face boasts a cracking line in the form of "She simply will not die", repeated over a ridiculously hammering bombardment of jun-wee breakdown and pure, undiluted aggression. Which brings me onto my next pojnt...

C) for Christianity. Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against Christians etc. and nor do I against bands who proclaim to be Christian metal or whatever. But a lot of people say NJ are too preachy - fvck that, when Scogin was down with it, they were fat, admit it people. Creating Something Out of Nothing embodies Scogin's lyrical ingenuity in just one line - "like bringing a knife to a gunfight". It is what is interpreted by the listener that is probably the most important thing. Because I can tell you this, Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child is pretty dark in lyrical content. The largely instrumental song (see long title) is perhaps the downer of the album. But if it wasn't there, it wouldn't be the same. The song builds wonderfully in terms of dynamics and instrumentation layering - it just drags on for too long. The Shotgun Message is a plethora of odd time signatures and dissonance - chaotic, raw, energy-driven and very, very primitive, I believe this is an example of a band that, yeah, perhaps they ripped Botch off (more-so on their sophomore effort) amongst other fellow pioneering acts - but the mathcore elements are present yet never overwhelming.

The final part in the album should be discussed in three separate mini-discussions if you will. Mostly because I think tracks 6-9 work conceptually and are about the main man JC (in a loosely/vaguely metaphorical sense). The lyrics, perhaps even though the subject matter is blatant, are just so well written. He - screams - with - passions, vigor, and pure almost hatred/snarl at times. Its that good (and The Chariot is a showcase to prove he is even better now). Not Jc but Scogin of course...

...which brings me to the penultimate track. It is punishing. You almost have to 'sweat it out' if any of you understand me. But it is an assault of clever, repetitive lyrics, three-quarters hectic breakdown riff-sessions and then, quite possibly one of the eeriest and most disturbing closing section ever featured on a Christian metal CD. Trust. I think it is what a lot of bands have copied and have tried to copy for the 9 years or so since this was released.

However, the closing track, Organized Beyond Recognition, can be recognized as a clear metal-core masterpiece, both by popular opinion and personal. The instrumentation is calculated, refined and very, very refreshing (especially the subtle use of dissonance and time changing). The rhythm section sounds good and there is enough variation in the song to keep me interested (as well as having an amazing ending and epic vocals) for AN ENTIRE SEVEN AND A HALF MINUTES. Considering the middle part of the album boasts Pretty Soon, I Don't Know What.., I'm pretty certain Norma Jean knew how to write good, long songs. They just botched it the first time.

Botched it. Get it? Ripoff album but pretty damn masterful in execution, Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child is raw chaotic metal-core before The Chariot was born. And Long:Live The Chariot...



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loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


fuck this album


and review is awkward

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Says someone who likes The Human Abstract, talk about awkward.

loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


i don't understand the crack, rofl

i said your review was awkward, not norma jean.


TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

im ttp because the guitarist in tHA used to be really fvcking awful at sweep-picking on their first album. It made me wanna kill things.



At least Norma Jean can write a really good breakdown. Oh wait, Scogin quit.



What would you say is definitive mathcore? and don't say something boring "oh, converge ofc coz yeh converge" or Botch, I'm just curious as to why you think it deserves a 1?!

loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


lol'd so hard at "At least Norma Jean can write a really good breakdown."

and since you asked, you know...
Converge, Botch. stuff like dat u no

loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


and this is a 1 because the only decent thing this band has released is Meridonal.

this isn't as bad as o' god the aftermath though, i will say that

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

What would you say is definitive mathcore? and don't say something boring "oh, converge ofc coz yeh converge" or Botch, I'm just curious as to why you think it deserves a 1?!



and that made me lol because that is a quote. Of me.



Predicting what you would say. You wanna hear a breakdown youtube a hardcore punk band called No Second Chance.



That is a fvcking hardcore aha

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Song is called Departures.

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

But yeah Converge/Botch/The Dillinger Escape Plan.



Oh and Pantera, Dimebag invented breakdowns. Before that it was all "thrashthrashthrash".



And Converge are self-proclaimed "hardcore kids with leftover Slayer riffs"... you can see my logic.

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

but yeah, the mathcore scene is boring atm =

loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


i don't understand how i'm the only person contributing to this

needs moar converge fanboys

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

meh



have you heard of two uk bands called Galleons or Visions?



Both very talented young mathcore bands, they're dope. Aside from that, I just want new Pig Destroyer.

loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


TTDTDE

your arguement is invalid

unless it's Dillinger
or Converge

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

Well wtf about Coalesce?



They're savage. I actually almost prefer them to Botch. Botch only ever made one classic EP and one classic album...



Coalesce have made a load.

Eko
March 30th 2011


2118 Comments


this is a funny discussion going on here

"when Scogin was down with it, they were fat, admit it people" what does that mean?

only thing of Scogin ive heard is Long Live which was great but im really not into this sort of thing so I doubt I'll check this out.

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

and lol dude I'm Confessed2005, I reviewed Converge's discog years ago (and have seen them live on 3 separate occasions)



ofc I'll agree they can pen a good breakdown. and are, in general, incredible.

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

He is just as amazing on Long Live as he is on here Eko, but here it is a lot more primitive and raw. It is a matter of taste.



and in reference to that comment, fat just means they're good y'knw, when Scogin was a member (I'm British, get over it).

Eko
March 30th 2011


2118 Comments


ah. british english. cant argue I guess yall came up with it.

loveisamixtape
March 30th 2011


12322 Comments


i think the correct spelling is "phat"

your arguement is again invalid

TrojanWhore
March 30th 2011


752 Comments

Album Rating: 3.5

aha yeah.



we only seem to share glassjaw in common. aside from that, yeah, you prob wouldn't like much 'core' musicz



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