Cygnatti: Most needed genre tags?

Cygnatti 02.18.22	s/o to the "Other" tag. gotta be one of my favorite genders.
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	I think there was already a list like this. Maybe I can find it
Cygnatti 02.18.22	I saw one a long time ago idk if there's a new one or anything
Avagantamos 02.18.22	ah good call on the screamo, the ones I proposed were Glitch, Footwork, Hardcore EDM, Glitch Hop, and Ghettotech. Glitch is the one I think we need the most though.
Ryus 02.18.22	screamo, trap, drill, footwork [2], noise
Avagantamos 02.18.22	wait do we not have a noise tag? I could have sworn we did
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	Noise Krautrock Slowcore Glitch New Wave Garage Rock Glam Rock Singer/Songwriter Deep House Trap Screamo Disco Synthpop and last but the opposite of least, Shibuya Kei
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	Singer songwriter
Avagantamos 02.18.22	I feel like deep house would open a pandora's box of necessitating all the other house/techno styles, not that that's a bad thing though
Cygnatti 02.18.22	I think Trap is a good add, idk if Drill is up there tho.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	Definitely Garage vs Garage Rock, if not just for the confusion of garage house/uk garage with garage rock bands. Not at all opposed to adding more distinct edm subgenres, but I think we should handle glaring issues before getting to things like deep house.
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	No glitch is better than if there was glitch because most people will misuse it. Just use experimental instead :^]
ArsMoriendi 02.18.22	Agreed with all of Johnny's minus Singer/Songwriter Also: Baroque pop Noise Pop Progressive Pop
Avagantamos 02.18.22	not sure if that was sarcasm ghandi, but glitch should be replacing a lot of the mistagged "experimental"
Cygnatti 02.18.22	"No glitch is better than if there was glitch because most people will misuse it. Just use experimental instead :^]" tbh this. "Noise Pop Progressive Pop" disagree that these are high priority tbh tbh. prop pop gets hella mistagged too.
ArsMoriendi 02.18.22	Baroque pop is at least a necessity since there's so much of it and all of the artists on Sputnik don't reflect it in their tags cuz tagging a pop, rock, or folk artist "classical" because they're baroque pop doesn't work at all
Cygnatti 02.18.22	My issue with synthpop is that, it + electropop and dance-pop are all clearly distinct and culturally very important, but that the majority of those that do one of them will also do the others as well. So, I'm not so sure how to handle that. Idk if adding all of them is necessary but if you add one, then I think you should add all 3.
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	if there are any further pop tags, they should be Chamber Pop and Synthpop in that order might vote for chamber pop tbh
ArsMoriendi 02.18.22	Chamber pop is a subgenre of baroque pop, so hard disagreed Synthpop is potentially the most needed tag, so yes
Cygnatti 02.18.22	Baroque pop > chamber pop imo. Synthpop is more important than dance and electropop. "Dream pop encapsulates chamber pop pretty well imo. Maybe i just don’t listen to enough of the stuff" Disagree on this. But chamber pop could be handled with "baroque pop + indie pop"
Cygnatti 02.18.22	"And i can’t remember the last time i saw a synth pop record bumped around here lol" Almost every mainstream + mainstream adjacent pop artist right now is making synthpop. (It's annoying!) Most of them are not huge on sput tho.
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	Chamber pop is not a subgenre of baroque pop
Purpl3Spartan 02.18.22	1. brostep 2. trap queen 3. vapor soul 4. bubblegum pop 5. compositional ambient 6. dream smp 7. skate punk 8. high vibe 9. shiver pop 10. madchester 11. dreamo 12. cumbia 420 13. weirdcore 14. nu disco 15. Tagalog rap 16 progressive bluegrass 17. Russian drill 18. chillstep 19. sleaze rock 20. water
Gnocchi 02.18.22	This is such an Alice In Wonderland type topic right now. Gonna need to mind map this shit out
theBoneyKing 02.18.22	New Wave is possibly the most needed just to get rid of all the bands wrongly tagged with post punk
Avagantamos 02.18.22	^^^ agreed on all except for compositional ambient
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	baroque pop was a (partial) *parent genre for chamber pop but is more dated and less encompassing chamber pop and dream pop have a load of points of distinction and exist outside of each other more often than not probably. a load of the most acclaimed pop records from recent years have all been rooted in chamber pop. chamber pop is one of the least ambiguous genres to tag and also applicable to one of the widest range of decades and there is literally a synthpop album on the features tab rn
Purpl3Spartan 02.18.22	21. post-post-hardcore
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	"chamber pop is one of the least ambiguous genres to tag" And yet it's one of the most mistagged genres on rym.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	someone compositional ambient-pill me, quick!
Purpl3Spartan 02.18.22	https://everynoise.com/everynoise1d.cgi?scope=all This entire list is the next step
Cygnatti 02.18.22	okay someone define chamber pop, what it is, and more importantly, what it isn't. i think i have a very good idea of what baroque pop is, but less so for chamber pop.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	some side notes: why is there a melodeath tag but no meloblack? is meloblack even that big a genre? and why is there a folk punk tag but no folk rock? idk sput LOVES their folk punk but still? also, should nu-metal be replaced with alt-metal? or should we just have both? idk enough about those 2 to say.
Purpl3Spartan 02.18.22	Russian ska plz
z00sh 02.18.22	ASMR
Purpl3Spartan 02.18.22	yes
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	Chamber pop is not pop with strings. It is a subgenre of indie pop. (Think Arcade Fire, Illinois)
Avagantamos 02.18.22	thoughts on regional hip hop tags? I personally don't think the styles developed on the east and west coast were consistent enough with each other to warrant tags for the coasts, however I think Memphis rap does have a very distinct sound.
Gnocchi 02.18.22	^seems like slight overkill people should be strategic voting... for funeral doom
Get Low 02.18.22	deathcore, dungeon synth
Avagantamos 02.18.22	the regional tags are def not worth voting for with only 5 votes
Gnocchi 02.18.22	progressive tweedle bluegrass honestly thought deathcore already existed. the more you know
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	Singer/Songwriter Noise Modern Classical Art Pop Slowcore Free Jazz Avant-Garde Jazz Post-Bop Bebop Hardcore Hip Hop
Gnocchi 02.18.22	"Singer/Songwriter" ugh any votes for nintendocore?
Get Low 02.18.22	Deathcore has been relegated to "death metal" and "metalcore" for decades, sadly.
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	Also JAZZ RAP and JAZZ ROCK fixes most jazz mistagging
Hendoi 02.18.22	radiohead am i right
Get Low 02.18.22	THALL
Gnocchi 02.18.22	Pirate metal for the Alestorms and such
Rolling Girl 02.18.22	Honestly if we could just get an Instrumental tag i'd be happy.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	Instrumental in general could be good, like soundtracks. Singer songwriter has a better claim than most tags tbh.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	Some sort of traditional folk or world music is needed imo. “Folk” covers an insane range atm. Especially if you include singer songwriter in folk rn.
AlexKzillion 02.18.22	djent
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	chamber pop = contemporary pop / indie pop songwriting with traditional "chamber" arrangements that typically gravitate towards intimate performance styles as opposed to large scale orchestration baroque pop = has a specific basis in classical traditions and in current usage basically refers to records in dialogue with its 60s/70s heyday (see the year distribution on the rym listing https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/baroque-pop/) chamber pop is the vaguer of the two because it is more alive and more contingent on who plays it and therefore more useful for this website of vague expedient tags
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	"traditional folk or world music is needed imo" uh yes. klezmer, bossa nova, samba where r u djent is priority 0, we do not need subgenres for prog metal
fogza 02.18.22	I agree with the world music thing, it's a terrible catch all term but it definitely would be useful
Meridiu5 02.18.22	nah
TVC15 02.18.22	Deathcore Djent New Wave Noise Drone Metal Singer/Songwriter Glam Rock
fogza 02.18.22	"nah" Yah
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	am voting Noise New Wave Screamo Slowcore Krautrock or Disco or Trap idk persuade me these are the sputnik musics
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	but we have garage already o no this is sad :[ and uhhhmmmmhmhmmhmmmmmhhhhhug
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	i have no submitted i am having palpitations uh uh uh u7hhh
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	norma name 3 of my fav disco songs u can do it
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	okay i'm voting for lounge
Conmaniac 02.18.22	Trap Screamo Slowcore Noise Garage rock
Elynna 02.18.22	Trad folk would be a great addition
neekafat 02.18.22	Sadgirl
dedex 02.18.22	i just want jazz rap
Icebloom 02.18.22	Slowcore
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	agree whole-heartedly with some of these... Slowcore Screamo Noise Art-pop, synth-pop, chamber pop, glitch pop etc. (as there's currently just 'pop' lol) Djent (even though it sucks) Disco or Dance? seems essential Plunderphonics Jungle Musique Concrete UK Garage Vaporwave or just 'Vapor' idk probably loads of stuff, I mean House alone has a ton of sub-genres (for instance) but considering we already have a House tag I wouldn't know where to start. Let's dream small for now, lol this isn't a real vote, right?
Trifolium 02.18.22	3!!!!!!!!!!!
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	hang on, New Wave isn't even a tag? Oh boy thinking of going with New Wave, Disco and Slowcore + 2 more... maybe Screamo as well actually because it's currently hard to define with the current tags (as 'emo' means something very different). this is tough, will have to give it some thought
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	"Djent (even though it sucks)" rly
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	it's not the most essential, but there's definitely a case for it having become a recognisable genre in it's own right I won't vote for it though, don't worry
Havey 02.18.22	whats going on here did an arsmoriendi ranking really start a genre revolution
Sinternet 02.18.22	we really only allowed to vote for 5 when there are like 30 missing? Guess ill be voting the following Screamo Trap Noise New Wave Disco
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	very solid choices there sint yeah it's a shame we can't add more
Trifolium 02.18.22	I'll be voting Disco Latin New Wave and some others.
Tundra 02.18.22	Djent, duh
Havey 02.18.22	Avant-Prog Brutal Prog Canterbury Scene Neo-Prog Symphonic Prog wish I could choose more!
Sinternet 02.18.22	ill post what im putting in the comments on the form if anyone wants to copy-paste it , feel it addresses pretty much everything
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	it blew my mind that New Age is actually a genre here considering some of the omissions
Sinternet 02.18.22	capitalise the F in Lo-fi and M in Nu-metal on the genre list seriously this sets me off so bad every time I see it honestly we need way more than 5 genres added so im gonna dump a list below sorted by priority Highest Priority (these are necessities that either represent artists who are currently mistagged or genres that are big and stylistically diverse enough they should be represented): Noise Krautrock Slowcore New Wave Garage Rock Glam Rock Singer/Songwriter Tech House Deep House Trap Screamo Disco Synthpop Deathcore Medium Priority (these represent genres that could just about be tagged using the current system but could use the separation and/or would encompass a fair amount ofartists): Shibuya Kei Acid House Twee Pop Noise Pop Emoviolence Jangle Pop Electro House Crust Punk Powerviolence Dub Jungle Southern Rock Surf Rock/Surf Glitch Instrumental Hip-Hop Progressive Electronic Electropop EBM Electro Alt-Country Symphonic Metal Bossa Nova Chamber Pop Boom Bap Emo Rap Drill Mathcore Folk Metal Vaporwave Power Pop G-Funk Cloud Rap Gangsta Rap Blackgaze Lesser Priority (these are nice-to-have's that would differentiate a few styles): Klezmer No Wave Dance-Punk Riot Grrrl Queercore Progressive Pop Neo-Soul Comedy Religious Easy Listening Ska Punk Cabaret Funeral Doom Chillwave Field Recordings Eurodance Stoner Metal Big Band Spoken Word Poetry
Sinternet 02.18.22	Potentially Useful (tags that would differentiate a lot of artists but have the potential to be misused): Art Pop (massive potential for mistagging, but can potentially provide a distinction between pop artists with more or less commercial ambition/degrees of experimentation within the pop microcosm) Alt/Alternative Metal (same issues as art pop re: mistagging, but does describe bands like deftones better than nu metal) EDM (controversial and horrible term, but would separate more commercial electronic styles from more underground styles, eg: Skrillex and Burial both being tagged Dubstep, Martin Garrix and Nicolas Jaar both tagged as house etc. Avant-Garde (again could be misused but potentially useful for a lot of experimental/prog/folk artists) Traditional (massive missing tag in the form of 'world music', bowever that term has certain negative connotations, traditional would both avoid that term and be useful for traditional Western folk music as well, just nuke anyone who tries to tag things as traditional doom metal) Regional Hip-Hop (Southern/West Coast/East Coast/UK/Memphis Rap etc., might be more hassle than its worth, but useful in a way because of distinct sounds) Rock & Roll (to separate things like Presley and Bing Crosby from more modern styles, could be misused) Psychedelic Rock/Folk (may be useful to separate the psychedelic tag, but not a huge issue) Other notes: Garage Rock is massively needed so people stop confusing it with the current garage tag which is for the electronic genre Hardcore is in a similar but lesser vein where the current tag is representing the Punk subgenre but the electronic genre also gets tagged under this, suggest renaming current genre to Hardcore Punk and potentially adding a Hardcore (Electronic) genre Breaks could be renamed to Breakbeat, which is a more encompassing term for a variety of break-based styles Djent would be useful to separate boomer prog metal with scene kid prog metal Jam Rock should be renamed to Jam Band as the styles these artists play is not exclusively rock-centric all the time
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	^can you post this in meds plz
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	cool list Q: couldn't deathcore be categorised as death metal / metalcore on the same artist page, or did you not take that into consideration? It SHOULD absolutely be a tag, just thinking of priorities etc. as I doubt we'll even get to add the whole first tier here.
Cimnele 02.18.22	"ineffable" genre tag
Sinternet 02.18.22	will do johnny, cheers for the help witt the list demon it can but as a genre I feel its large and diverse enough from either the death metal or metalcore genres that a distinction would be really useful. plus ive seen people get annoyed in the past when deathcore artists appear on the death metal page
JohnnyoftheWell 02.18.22	was mostly you m'dude, but np - hope it chows down some mileage
Tundra 02.18.22	Why does hip hop of all things get the privilege of having instrumental tag? If that where the case it would open the floodgates for stuff like instrumental math rock, post rock etc
Sinternet 02.18.22	because instrumental hip-hop is a massively diverse and representative tag that goes beyond just beats with no rappers on and is a radically different approach to a genre that has since its inception been vocal-driven, whereas instrumental other genres is just not having a vocalist and not a massively different approach from non-instrumental artists
dedex 02.18.22	thanks Sint for the thorough specs needs
Tundra 02.18.22	I watched Straight Outta Compton and that's the extent of my knowledge of ye' old hip hop lol
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	yeah I get you Sint, it really COULD do with being it's own tag... think I'm just thinking of priorities here, as it doesn't sound like we're getting more than 5 new tags (for now)?! I think for the time being we could make do without, if we must. I do think it belongs in that top tier and fair play for demanding more! Good call on hip-hop as well, they are almost entirely different beasts from what I understand. I'm by no means an expert here, but I do dig some of the instrumental stuff despite not being particularly enamoured with the vocal-orientated kind. Always felt that way to me.
Havey 02.18.22	dunno why you think we're getting 5 genres, the 5 picks per user limit just exists to stop people from going full sint mode
Sinternet 02.18.22	idk that sounds pretty rad to me
Demon of the Fall 02.18.22	I guess... well if we get more than 5 (or any) I'll be shocked, in a good way
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	@sinternet add jazz rap and jazz rock Ohh, also add experimental rock so that Radiohead and John Cage don't share genres.
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	it blew my mind that New Age is actually a genre here considering some of the omissions [2] Sometimes I forget it's on here and I misstag as ambient.
theBoneyKing 02.18.22	Are they only going to add 5, or is just that we only get 5 votes? Limiting the number of votes is good because it ensures people will take it seriously, but I don’t see why they can’t just add like 30 since I imagine there will be a decent range rather than a few overwhelming winners anyways, and as outdated as this site is I wouldn’t think genre tags would be the thing to break it. Not saying we need to be RYM but adding only 5 tags doesn’t really do much to fix the problem.
GhandhiLion 02.18.22	I don't think that Krautrock is high priority because psychedelic covers most of it. psych would need more subgenres in future tho.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	I just went with 5 because I didn’t wanna be a bother lol. I was going off the idea that some things only let u submit one of those survey things. Which is prob not the case here. I also don’t think kraut is a high priority.
Cygnatti 02.18.22	Most likely, you could submit however many times you want. I’ll prob do like 25-35 at the end. Don’t rly wanna do more than that.
dedex 02.18.22	jazz rap 🙏
Pikazilla 02.18.22	dedexcore
DoofDoof 02.18.22	I guess the ones I listen to the most and have a RYM sub genre are: 1. Sophisti Pop 2. Chamber Pop 3. Garage Rock 4. Slowcore 5. Krautrock Probably a load of electronic genres too
YoYoMancuso 02.18.22	bad so that i know what albums are bad
Zig 02.18.22	Fado
Avagantamos 02.18.22	you can see how many "bad" tags each album has already
dedex 02.18.22	> dedexcore 😍
Cimnele 02.18.22	i need rich-kid-indie-rock as a tag, I honestly think it'd help me navigate new music better than anything else daddy bought me a record company indie
AnimalsAsSummit 02.18.22	Out of all the genres I can think of, djent is the primary one I think the site needs. My vote goes to djent.
Thor 02.18.22	Deathcore Krautrock Stoner Metal
rockarollacola 02.19.22	Headstrong
arf 02.20.22	turbo-folk
Dedes 02.20.22	As much as I don't particularly enjoy some of these genres the non-existence of glam metal, trap and overall more nuanced electronic subgenres always seemed pretty strange to me
Pheromone 02.20.22	slowcore
Cygnatti 02.21.22	i think electronic is in a relatively okay position, at least when compared to big ones like hip hop and pop xD
GhandhiLion 05.04.22	https://www.sputnikmusic.com/bands/David-Lewiston/40837/# Shoutout to the person who voted country for gamelan recordings
Havey 05.04.22	they're coming any day now guys
parksungjoon 05.04.22	>i think electronic is in a relatively okay position, at least when compared to big ones like hip hop and pop xD yea thanks to dev
TheSonomaDude 05.04.22	Disco for sure Deathcore - sick of seeing "progressive metal" and "death metal" together and getting lured into something I think will be awesome but then finding out it's just shitty djentcore. Hair metal / glam rock Slowcore
arf 05.05.22	"Deathcore - sick of seeing "progressive metal" and "death metal" together and getting lured into something I think will be awesome but then finding out it's just shitty djentcore." is it really so hard to simply put tags "death metal" and "metalcore" together, though?
parksungjoon 07.16.23	Wave
pizzamachine 07.16.23	Symphonic metal Crunkcore
theBoneyKing 07.16.23	We were promised slowcore
Cygnatti 07.17.23	Did we ever get any new genres? I think we got synthpop but I don't recall anything else.
parksungjoon 07.17.23	we got power electronics and a few other things, ars made some lists requesting help tagging
Cygnatti 07.17.23	Lol checked the synthpop page and it doesn't quite work entirely correctly. Also, the browse genres section does not feature it and I'm assuming the rest of the newly added tags.
parksungjoon 07.17.23	true
ArsMoriendi 07.17.23	We got a bunch Cyg. Here's them in tiers Excited for: synthpop, new wave, glam rock, art pop Cool: disco, instrumental hip hop, nu jazz, Meh: bossa nova, mathcore, power electronics, noise idk I guess let the metalheads be happy: melodic black metal, atmospheric black metal, djent, groove metal, funeral doom, deathcore
Cygnatti 07.17.23	No way you put meh and bossa nova in the same line of text like that Ars I will kill u
Ryus 07.17.23	still no trap :^[
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.23	glam rock hahaha
ArsMoriendi 07.17.23	Bossa nova isn’t meh because the genre is bad, it’s meh because it only applied to like 30 artists, and other Brazilian tags would’ve been way better choices Samba and MPB for instance would’ve been way better, or even an overly general “Latin” tag
parksungjoon 07.17.23	real talk cyg and not trolling, but once u get past the getz/gilbertos and nara leaos how much of bossa nova pound for pound isnt just hotel lobby music
JohnnyoftheWell 07.17.23	are you implying that the rest of your tiering is also based around tag practicality because if so lol
ArsMoriendi 07.17.23	No Johnny, and stop trying to one up me, it’s so smug and pointless
parksungjoon 07.17.23	yea theres like thousands of metal bands on this site that would benefit from those tags not that i care to listen to any of em
Cygnatti 07.17.23	You got me there mbp or even more general tags would be better
Cygnatti 07.17.23	Lowkey we gotta get “lounge” up in this bitch.
parksungjoon 07.17.23	maybe
SMOKEDOPE 07.17.23	Hyperpop kawaii dance music Dronestep Money
parksungjoon 07.17.23	4d \| New Genre Asian Rock: Dense PluggnB percussion in combination with airy bells, synth plucks, and soaring synthetic guitar leads.
Ryus 07.17.23	plugg and pluggnb go hard
auberginedreams 07.17.23	Screamo. How do we have “melodic black metal” but not screamo
ArsMoriendi 07.17.23	Mx is trollin’
parksungjoon 07.17.23	Asian Rock
gschwen 07.17.23	The Sputnik Music League will rely on this thread for the round of "genres not on sputnik"
parksungjoon 07.17.23	wtf is the sputnik music league