Cygnatti: Sputnik pie chart and genre tagging system...

Cygnatti 12.17.16	this is all i can remember rn, i think i had some more written down somewhere...
Sinternet 12.17.16	but why tho
Cygnatti 12.17.16	^the eternal question, huh
TVC15 12.17.16	Someone bring Macman in here "From their a pie chart will be made"
theBoneyKing 12.17.16	Maybe note that only bands that you rate 4.5+ show up in the slice for a given genre?
Trebor. 12.17.16	cool
Cygnatti 12.17.16	"Maybe note that only bands that you rate 4.5+ show up in the slice for a given genre?" oh yeah, i knew that one. its one of the things they told us actually. :]
tre 12.18.16	Sounds like a lot of hoopla to me.
Trundle 12.18.16	thanks for this
hal1ax 12.18.16	interesante
FullOfSounds 12.18.16	Cool stuff Cyg bro
50iL 12.18.16	Esta lista ha sido bastante buena pero siento que no tiene mayor punto.
Cygnatti 12.18.16	^you'd be correct, bud. not really relevant now, but idk it was a tad exciting while it was happening 2-3 years ago.
Satellite 12.18.16	good list. i actually learned something on sputnik.
KILL 12.18.16	?????????????????????
theBoneyKing 12.18.16	Wait, have the pie charts only been around since a few years ago? I had always assumed they have always been a feature.
TVC15 12.18.16	This list has been pretty good but I feel it has no greater point Boney, the pie charts have been a function since I first joined 4 years ago but I've never paid great attention to the site till I stopped lurking about a year and 1/2 ago
Satellite 12.18.16	@boney no, but the pie chart system was re-tooled a couple years ago to make it suck less
Cygnatti 12.18.16	remember when we actually thought we could suggest a tag for the site to be added; and that it would actually get added at some point? good times. :]
Satellite 12.18.16	"This list has been pretty good but I feel it has no greater point" pretty sure it's not supposed to help you reach enlightenment or make you wealthy. it's a fucking list about pie charts.
Cygnatti 12.18.16	"Wait, have the pie charts only been around since a few years ago? I had always assumed they have always been a feature." pie charts AND the genre tagging system have always been a part of relevant sput (as far as i recall), but 2-3 years ago it was changed quite significantly. i mention a lot of the changes on here. but the most important changes were the addition of MANY more genre tags; the following tags did not exist before the change: - all electronic genrse other than simply "electronic", not even house and techno - experimental ("other", a tag that no longer exists, was used instead) - soundtracks - melodic anything - americana, bluegrass (only country was available) - jazz fusion - new age - lo-fi - progressive rock and metal ("progressive" was used beforehand, but people wanted it to be separated) - quite a bit more as well...
KILL 12.18.16	tryin to get my thrash to 20% ugh i gota rate more evile
TVC15 12.18.16	@Satellite It's a translation of what 50 said in Spanish
Satellite 12.18.16	oh whoops didn't even read that hablo un pocito español tambien
Cygnatti 12.18.16	kill, give a single thrash album a 5.0, and that's worth giving 5 different thrash albs a 3.0 (presumably). so yeah ;)
Satellite 12.18.16	sorry for lashing out like that
TVC15 12.18.16	It's chill :)
theBoneyKing 12.18.16	Damn it sounds like the genre system used to suck way more than it already does. Rym4life
Tyler. 12.18.16	and still there is no new wave and screamo + tags for many more for some reason
Tyler. 12.18.16	really wish individual albs were tagged like rym but whatever
Satellite 12.18.16	i mean this site as a whole is straight out of 1998 so i try to manage my expectations
Cygnatti 12.18.16	"really wish individual albs were tagged like rym but whatever" smae :/
Divaman 12.18.16	Wait, could you explain that again? (Just kidding) Actually, that's pretty interesting. Thanks for posting it.
porcupinetheater 12.18.16	Why does Godspeed keep showing up under the all time metal charts, with metal sitting comfortably as none of the tagged genres?
Satellite 12.18.16	i think it's because the "drone" tag is considered a subgenre of metal. happens with other artists, too; david bowie and the talking heads register as punk. don't worry, it'll be fixed never.
DoofusWainwright 12.18.16	This system is more scientific than I realised yikes. Pleased my army of 1's count for shit on my pie
DoofusWainwright 12.18.16	Also I think each year they should try and add a new genre, mainly for laughs.
Cygnatti 12.18.16	sach! :D
Cygnatti 12.18.16	"Why does Godspeed keep showing up under the all time metal charts, with metal sitting comfortably as none of the tagged genres?" "i think it's because the "drone" tag is considered a subgenre of metal. happens with other artists, too; david bowie and the talking heads register as punk. don't worry, it'll be fixed never." i've actually never noticed this... drone being listed under metal is like a crime against humanity...
Divaman 12.18.16	It's why I keep having Blues show up on my pie chart -- I almost never listen to what i would considered the blues, but all of the older bands from the '70s who were blues based show up with blues as a sub-category.
Cygnatti 12.18.16	yeah lotta bigger 70s bands had a strong blues influence or were even primarily blues rock for a time. many changed to being more straightforward 70s rock. i'd argue there's a significant difference between just "blues" and "blues rock", but that's just me.
ArsMoriendi 12.18.16	Very interesting list I was wondering how it worked Cyg rules
Divaman 12.18.16	I agree with you, Cyg. Also, it drives me crazy that there's no "New Wave" category, and also that there's no category for either "Celtic" or "World Music".
ArsMoriendi 12.18.16	Baroque pop and disco are very needed genre tags too.
FullOfSounds 12.18.16	^
Satellite 12.18.16	just out of curiosity how did you figure this out, cyg?
Cygnatti 12.18.16	this sounds dumb in retrospect but i made an alt and personally tested a lot of this stuff right after the changes came out, lmao
ArsMoriendi 12.18.16	That's actually awesome baroque pop, disco, new wave, screamo, some hip hop subgenres so that 90% of hip hop artists don't have only 1 tag, synthpop, lounge All ones we need that we don't have...
Cygnatti 12.18.16	i took my frist programming class and i thought that a lot of the stuff i learned (which is pretty basic) applied to the stuff i learned about the tag system at sput.
Satellite 12.18.16	cool cool i've created alts for much, much dumber reasons than that
Satellite 12.18.16	"some hip hop subgenres so that 90% of hip hop artists don't have only 1 tag" this so much. i dream of someday seeing gangsta rap on my pie chart.
ShadowRemains 12.18.16	"i mean this site as a whole is straight out of 1998 so i try to manage my expectations" i mean tbh there are some good things about this
Satellite 12.18.16	yeah makes me nostalgic for the dial-up days
ShadowRemains 12.18.16	well i meant more the social mediazation of way too many sites recently
macman76 12.18.16	Sick list cyg, what language did you learn in that class?
Satellite 12.18.16	when we first got the internet when i was a kid the first site i went to was the one for the upcoming donkey kong country 2. took forever to load but it was mesmerizing.
Satellite 12.18.16	i was j/k shadow. you're right about that.
ArsMoriendi 12.18.16	MX has updated something, like when the list system slightly changed like last year We should try to actually get updated genre tags. Like a master-list where people can vote on whether new subgenre inclusions would be helpful. Well it's a fantasy at least.
Satellite 12.18.16	it'd be nice if mx could find someone else to handle the day-to-day operations of the site and make the necessary changes. not sure how plausible that is but a man can dream. that said, i'm grateful that he keeps the site running at all.
Cygnatti 12.18.16	learned c++, i'm not that good and plenty of stuff still confuse me, but i actually like it a lot.
ShadowRemains 12.18.16	"i was j/k shadow. you're right about that." oh i know that, lol who in fresh hell would long for dial up
TVC15 12.18.16	Alternative Metal should really be a genre tbh
Cygnatti 12.18.16	idk we already have tons of metal tags, need more other tags.
ShadowRemains 12.18.16	alt metal basically is nu metal so why?
magicuba 12.18.16	any possibility updates will be made to the syte like ever?
Satellite 12.18.16	i wouldn't bet on anything but minor fixes. mods can't do shit but delete comments and flag reviews and mx is a bit of an absentee father. again, though, he keeps the lights on so we just kind of need to be content with what we've got.
TVC15 12.18.16	"alt metal basically is nu metal so why?" That's not true at all
theBoneyKing 12.18.16	"Alternative Metal should really be a genre tbh" I mean in theory every legitimate subgenre would be a genre like on rym, but for the purposes of the sort of system we have now here who don't alternative rock and metal suffice? Though we have some very specific metal genres here too so maybe that one's not too much of a stretch
Satellite 12.18.16	123 sach meanwhile no subgenres for hip-hop
DoofusWainwright 12.18.16	Sach I thought you'd have suggestions for at least 20 genres not represented here currently
JamieTwort 12.18.16	I foolishly looked for a minimal synth tag when adding something to the database a minute ago. What was I thinking?
TheWrenKing 12.18.16	the infamous "death metal" and "melodic death metal"
DoofusWainwright 12.18.16	I think the site should extend that olive branch and let Sach double the number of genre labels, I'd sign the petition
Cygnatti 12.18.16	"I foolishly looked for a minimal synth tag when adding something to the database a minute ago. What was I thinking?" just look for albums that are "minimal" and "post punk" :]
DoofusWainwright 12.18.16	Death metal Melodic death metal Symphonic death metal Orchestral death metal Industrial death metal Viking death metal Swords and sorcery death metal Swords and sandals death metal Pipe and slippers death metal Deathly death metal
theBoneyKing 12.18.16	"metal has been given way too many subgenres to play with relative to other genres it's dumb" Agreed 100%
Satellite 12.18.16	is djent still a thing?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.18.16	Boney my 2017 musical goal is to get you to throw down to Prowler in the Yard.
Cygnatti 12.18.16	"is djent still a thing?" unforunately yes. it now has a tag on rym too...
danielcardoso 12.18.16	Interesting list Cyg :]
magicuba 12.19.16	deathcore except for being quite horrible is not even there which is ridicolous because it was huge 5-10 years ago
Demon of the Fall 08.03.17	This is beautiful, thank you. Now I understand why certain things show up & others don't.
Cygnatti 08.03.17	thnx fam
Cygnatti 09.12.17	bmup
SteakByrnes 09.11.20	never knew about a lot of this
Cygnatti 09.15.20	ty for reading! :]
Trifolium 11.29.20	Dude this is a very cool list! It answers SO many questions, even some questions I didn't even have!!! Also album choice for 2 is 💚
GhandhiLion 11.29.20	good lists and digs
GhandhiLion 11.29.20	I'm pretty sure a variance of 1 is not needed for 100% objectivity.
Cygnatti 11.30.20	That's probably true. If not, it works better when it is closer to 1.00. All I know is that when I had 100% objectivity on this account, I did indeed have a 3.0 avg and 1.0 variance, and when I used alts, it seemed to replicate that. But of course, there's prob more to it that I'm just not getting. For reference: Doofus' account has 3.0 avg and 1.002 variance and as far as I know, this is the only one that currently has 100% objectivity. https://www.sputnikmusic.com/uservote.php?memberid=1060512
Trifolium 11.30.20	From my Rating Curves list, some other users have 100% objectivity at this moment: 0xME Elynna Funeralpolis (99%) A 3.00 average and 1.00 variance are roughly true for all of these cases.
Cygnatti 05.08.21	holy shit, I just remembered something, in the old pie chart, every genre had its own color and I really liked that. It made sense as there weren't too many genres back then. These days, the chart auto-assigns colors by popularity. iirc pop punk was orange, death metal was black, black metal was a different shade of black, punk rock or hardcore was red, alt rock was... green?? "alt/indie" was like light blue I think.
parksungjoon 05.08.21	yes
Demon of the Fall 10.06.21	This thread excites me in ways I'm embarrassed to admit to.
Trifolium 10.06.21	Same. And this "holy shit, I just remembered something, in the old pie chart, every genre had its own color and I really liked that." too. I wonder whether these same rules apply to the new half-pie charts by the way. They might have changed some underlying calculations when ditching the actual pie charts.
garas 10.06.21	Hmmm, I've learnt a thing or two now!
Koris 10.06.21	Oh shit, an old thread that wasn't resurrected by Park
Trifolium 10.06.21	In a way it was still park because he started that thread about pies and then I remembered this list. But in a way it wasn't because Cyg started here.
Avagantamos 05.13.22	based