BirthRite
07.08.12 | I can understand the thoughts of necessity but do you feel it's really the answer? |
cisumkintups
07.08.12 | Rage against the Machine. |
ConcubinaryCode
07.08.12 | We gotta get our boys home! |
tarkus
07.08.12 | fuck war because hippies |
ConcubinaryCode
07.08.12 | War is not my voice! |
ConcubinaryCode
07.08.12 | No blood for oil! |
ChuckyTruant
07.08.12 | War is definitely not good, or ideal. But necessary |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | I aprreciate your guys feedback. As you all know there are always two sides to a story.
But when really will wars ever end? |
Emim
07.08.12 | what a stupid fucking question |
ChuckyTruant
07.08.12 | When there is less than 2 people on the planet |
cisumkintups
07.08.12 | When Rage against the Machine tells the wars to stop. |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | What is stupid about the question Emim?
And yes Chuck it seems when there is anyone lacking I'm power or authority or ability, a war must occur for supremacy but do you feel man will ever be humble enough to just yield? Obviously I'm referring to every single person alive? |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | *in
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cisumkintups
07.08.12 | SAY IT AGAIN NAH. |
Emim
07.08.12 | because it's an inevitability of our nature |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | I am very familiar with the song SixDegrees, so then, if it is good for nothing then it seems it is safe to say a change greater than man must occur, no? |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | Is it Emim? I can agree with you. So, the question must be, can the nature of man be changed? |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ SixDegrees - what is greater than man? |
cisumkintups
07.08.12 | Rage against the machine. |
Scoot
07.08.12 | PRESIDENTS DON'T PULL TRIGGERS, SO DON'T BLAME CAPITOL HILL
IT'S HEARTY BOYS JUST LIKE ME THAT ARE SIGNING UP TO KILL
SO FUCK THE ARMY, THE NAVY, THE AIR FORCE AND MARINES
THE BOYS AND GIRLS THAT SPILL THE BLOOD THAT ARE JUST LIKE ME |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ Scoot - a master is always responsible for his slave. |
Relinquished
07.08.12 | hey birthrite I got a question about war |
Emim
07.08.12 | "So, the question must be, can the nature of man be changed?"
individually |
Scoot
07.08.12 | oh man what |
DrMaximus
07.08.12 | Sometimes war is justified |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ Relinquish - ask away
@ Emim - correct yes. But how can the nature of any individual person be changed?
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Relinquished
07.08.12 | ok my question is fuck you |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ drmaximus - can you recall just one instance of any war in history that was justified? |
Trebor.
07.08.12 | If everyone did drugs and had sex all the time there would be no war |
zombi666
07.08.12 | Iraq war was justified, America needed to control the oil, any war in which America have joined in has been for Americas gain. |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | I doubt that because then people would fight over getting the best women and best drugs. That's worse than sobriety and abstinence. |
MuhNamesTyler
07.08.12 | Everything should just die...then there would be peace |
Emim
07.08.12 | "correct yes. But how can the nature of any individual person be changed?"
it's a secret |
Trebor.
07.08.12 | If people weren't so fucking stupid and stopped signing up to go die in the middle east then yeah there would be no war |
HitlerIsADeity
07.08.12 | soldiers are fucking stupid. |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ Zombie - so you're saying that taking possession of a commodity for the gain of Amaerica is justifiable? That's pretty much what every war has been about, the taking of something else for personal gain. I'm sorry my friend but there is no justification there. |
Trebor.
07.08.12 | The last meaningful war was WWII which could have been easily prevented anyway if the US and Europe hadn't just ignored Hitler but hey what are you going to die
WWI was fought for the dumbest fucking reason ever of that shit where it's like hey you want to start shit with my friend then you start shit with me and a quarrel between 2 countries became a world war and millions of people died for no fucking reason and wow did it suck
vietnam and korea were retarded too |
HitlerIsADeity
07.08.12 | yeah, it would be justifiable, if they just came out with the real reason we're there, and if it benefited the whole country instead of just the rich. survival of the fittest. darwinism, bitch. the "world peace, everybody getting along" idea is for naive liberals. |
Trebor.
07.08.12 | Well it's not really world peace it's that America was founded on isolationism and not started shit with other countries for no reason so those republican war mongers are the most un-american |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ Muh - there is no peace in non-existence. There is only non- existence in non-existence.
@ Emim - this your time to share whatever you'd like in anonamisity. Share the secret you know of if you know it.
@ Trebor - the fish will always be lured in by the bait.
@ Hitler - soldiers are puppets just as the president is, so yes puppets are without a brain.
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MuhNamesTyler
07.08.12 | Whatever I'm just gonna kill myself and come back as a dinosaur |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | @ Hitler - survival of the fittest is such a well fitting term to describe man I'm general but do you feel it was always meant to be that way? What if there is a driving force behind mans madness? Who really is the puppet master? I know the answer. |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | *in
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HitlerIsADeity
07.08.12 | yes, the red man with hoofs, horns, and a pitchfork must be causing all this division! |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | You have spoken the truth Hitler, the who is called "Angel of Light". But to clarify he has influenced, with great influence but man still has free will, so with that being said each individual will carry his own load, his own burden. |
zombi666
07.08.12 | @ birthrite, that was kind of my point. We are in desperate need of a sarcasm font. |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | Indeed Zombie! haha |
deepintheorchard
07.08.12 | "We are still at the primitive level of slamming one another with brute force because the military mind takes more pride in muscle than in cunning. And when we get to real cunning, as between evenly matched powers, the computers will tell us that amicable settlement of our differences will be so vastly cheaper and easier for all concerned that no one will be able to imagine why we didn't think of that before. The energy and treasure which Germany and Japan alone put into World War II, and which the United States has squandered in Vietnam, could have gone a long way towards ending poverty over the whole earth. Would that have been peace without honor?" - Alan Watts |
BirthRite
07.08.12 | Nice qoute Deep. An accurate analysis according to my knowledge. In fact, I read that if the US government took two days off from using money for war it would be enough funds to feed the entire world for a year. |
Nutpuncher
07.08.12 | war is great for the economy. well, the american economy. PEACE OUT BITCHES. |
JohnnyoftheWell
07.08.12 | War blows hard, does however increase the development of new technology, but that mostly turns out to be new weapons=more tension between powers=probs more war=shit |
cutoffs
07.08.12 | war is great it kills idiots |
JohnnyoftheWell
07.08.12 | are you a someguest alt? |
camaraderie
07.08.12 | Population control. |
cutoffs
07.08.12 | yes |
DrMaximus
07.08.12 | @BirthRite "can you recall just one instance of any war in history that was justified?"
Sometimes forceful means are the only way to solve a conflict. Try negotiating with the Taliban in a peaceful way. |
NWOAHM666
07.08.12 | You don't choose war. You see yourself in it. |
jdennis31
07.08.12 | bush is a nasie |
someguest
07.08.12 | "If people weren't so fucking stupid and stopped signing up to go die in the middle east then yeah there would be no war"
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jdennis31
07.08.12 | they aren't signing up for war in the middle east, they are signing up to defend our rights as americans. i don't actually believe that, but that's the typical response you'll get |
Wolfhorde
07.08.12 | what an utterly redundant topic. |
someguest
07.08.12 | "they aren't signing up for war in the middle east, they are signing up to defend our rights as americans. i don't actually believe that, but that's the typical response you'll get"
And that's how you defend something by saying absolutely nothing. |
jdennis31
07.08.12 | we are bringing about change through conversation on a relatively unknown music website, horde. be a part of the solution to our world problems. |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | war gets less common as time goes by, and I think the less war there is , the more we progress as a society. Most countries don't look for war, but they end up having to fight anyway.The problem with america is that we spend more money on our military than all the rest of the world combined. THat money could be spent on reasonable things like education etc. The promoting of war is negative and unnecesary. THe military shouldn't be a franchise to endorse and take pride in, but rather it should be an unfortunate last option to fall back on when all else fails. |
HitlerIsADeity
07.09.12 | in 2007 we spent over 600 billion on the military, more than any other country in the world, with china coming in second at less than 200 billion. |
FictionalFlames
07.09.12 | anyone up for a Crusade? |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | Fact: the u.s. has trouble with funding for basic necessities becuase so much money is spent on making our military the best in the world.
also the quote posted by deepintheorchard is spot on. Organized brutish violence for the sake of organized brutish violence is still brutish violence. I'd like to think that society can eventually function of intellect enough to move on from such idiotic behavior |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | @Hitlerisadeity that was one year. I have read that over a span of (i think) twenty years the rest of the world combined was less |
Sleaper
07.09.12 | I think the argument is too hard to take a side. I mean world war 1 & 2 were completely necessary, allies had to step in to save man kind.
Even finding bin laden was necessary to bring justice after the horrible things that happened on 9/11.
But entering iraq to stop suddam was just stupid and when things like that happen i think war is horrible and stupid |
HitlerIsADeity
07.09.12 | "allies had to step in to save man kind."
lol yeah, it was that simple. there were evil men doing evil things and us heroes had to step in and SAVE THE WORLD. |
HitlerIsADeity
07.09.12 | "Even finding bin laden was necessary to bring justice after the horrible things that happened on 9/11."
lol justice. even though we're the ones who were oppressing them in the first place, which is why they retaliated. you sound really naive. |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | "But entering iraq to stop suddam was just stupid and when things like that happen i think war is horrible and stupid"
I really do think the invasion of iraq was the most pointless thing America has ever done. No wonder the rest of the world hates us, the iraq war was basically just the U.S. flexing it's muscle |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | "Even finding bin laden was necessary to bring justice after the horrible things that happened on 9/11."
People in the middle east were trying to take their land and for some reason the U.S. supported those people who were trying to take their land which hadn't been theres in a long time. That's why 9/11 happened, they were retaliating against the U.s. for that. It wasn't just random violence |
Sleaper
07.09.12 | Well to be honest, america is probably the most important country in terms of modern warfare. If america had not done things in the past this world would be pretty fucked up right now.
But yeh, iraq was fucking dumb. |
Sleaper
07.09.12 | Im not saying it was a random attack. i said it was a horrible event.
Much like the hiroshima bombings, it was partly retaliation and it was a horrible event. |
Shuyin
07.09.12 | war as a whole is horrible but its part of our nature. |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | actually war becomes progressively less common as time goes by so I dont know about that |
Sleaper
07.09.12 | 100% true, im with u fonzyyyyyy |
TheFonz123
07.09.12 | indeed |
Hubcool
07.09.12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_to_power
It forever defined us. The only reason war is becoming less common is because there are now easier alternatives to have power over others, such as capitalism, mass media, schools, etc. |
musicConsumer
07.09.12 | If it wasn't for war you'd be getting lost on your way to your job interview at Starbucks |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | "war is great for the economy. well, the american economy. PEACE OUT BITCHES"
and this is probably why there are wars because everyone seems to be thinking about themselves and not the other. Perhaps the roots of war are the self-centeredness many express.
"are you a someguest alt?"
no
"Sometimes forceful means are the only way to solve a conflict. Try negotiating with the Taliban in a peaceful way"
but my friend has it really been solved? i don't see how innocent lives lost is the solving of any conflict.
"what an utterly redundant topic."
not as redundant as war, but ok if you feel that way
"we are bringing about change through conversation on a relatively unknown music website, horde. be a part of the solution to our world problems."
thanks for supporting the urge for people to start thinking and using there power of reason
@ Fonz - actually this is untrue to level and number of wars has increased, because you're counting number of wars but that is not the issue, the issue is the number of casualties of wars, the wars of world 1 and 2 have shown more death than all other before COMBINED.
And how does everyone know that the whole war between the us and iraq wasn't staged. That the possibility of the us attack it's own as an abiliby to invade. I'm not pointing fingers but you all need to consider the possibilities.
Even the United Nations has a bible scripture in new york that says and they will have to beat there swords into plowshares and war will be no more.
The united nations are aiming for peace but can man really attain it?
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jdennis31
07.09.12 | "Sometimes forceful means are the only way to solve a conflict. Try negotiating with the Taliban in a peaceful way"
I imagine the ways we have tried to solve this conflict produces more taliban recruits than any other method the taliban could think of themselves |
anarchistfish
07.09.12 | "war. war never changes"
fuck got ninjad |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | "I imagine the ways we have tried to solve this conflict produces more taliban recruits than any other method the taliban could think of themselves"
Yeah I think the point is that no matter how hard any gov tries it's hard to find one ultimate solution. It just shows that man really is capable because the only way you can make a good solution is to have every person and every nation buy into and we all know that will never happen in this world so because of these mass differences wars will most likely always exist even though I have never been for them. There needs to be ONE war to end all wars. Would you all not agree? |
johnnyblaze
07.09.12 | "There needs to be ONE war to end all wars."
lol see ww1.. didnt work out too well. |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | "lol see ww1.. didnt work out too well"
I'm referring to a war that isn't from man. |
Calc
07.09.12 | ooo like an Contra 3: Alien Wars? or some kinda angel/demon war? |
johnnyblaze
07.09.12 | ^lol
wtf are u talking about BR? how old r u? 14? |
mindleviticus
07.09.12 | of course this was going to be a long thread..... |
Calc
07.09.12 | im actually 7 thank you very much |
TenSecondsToThink
07.09.12 | Necessary but useless. I wish there'd be an actual god who shows himself to us and lays down rules. |
ffs
07.09.12 | war is p kewl i gues |
Spec
07.09.12 | nah its kind of lame |
wacknizzle
07.09.12 | This thread is fucking stupid. War is for religon, money, control, and is usually caused by one country's paranoia and causes may young people as well as innocent civilians to lose their lives. Religion is also complete bullshit btw, just in the way people in this world have chosen to interpret the ideas from it so I have no business comforming to any of it other than spirituality and faith. I also can't stand that you can't talk to most people out of the material world anymore. People are losing their roots to the natural world and our lives are compiled with more bullshit than ever. This ranting is about as pointless as war. |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | "ooo like an Contra 3: Alien Wars? or some kinda angel/demon war?"
Precisely! But not the type of Alien you're thinking of. Not the kinds that are depicted in the movies. All an "alien" is someone/something that is not of this territory/world/realm.
Think more of the spiritual world. This is nothing new as there are ghost hunters ect. and what not. What are ghost? Demons or Angels? So then if there are demons or angels there must be leaders/masters/or superiors above them.
I'm talking about a war that would take place from entities that are not of this realm. Do you know what I'm hinting to? |
wacknizzle
07.09.12 | A war against annihilation from otherworldly beings is the only time war should ever have to happen or if it's to save innocent people from the tyranny of an oppressive ruler or regime. |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | "Necessary but useless. I wish there'd be an actual god who shows himself to us and lays down rules."
Do you believe there is an actual God who will eventually do this? And if so, why do you think there is a delay?
"This thread is fucking stupid. War is for religon, money, control, and is usually caused by one country's paranoia and causes may young people as well as innocent civilians to lose their lives. Religion is also complete bullshit btw, just in the way people in this world have chosen to interpret the ideas from it so I have no business comforming to any of it other than spirituality and faith. I also can't stand that you can't talk to most people out of the material world anymore. People are losing their roots to the natural world and our lives are compiled with more bullshit than ever. This ranting is about as pointless as war. "
that's like saying contemplating and reasoning for a better cause is pointless, which I fully disagree. This thread is very meaningful. To do the opposite is the same as death and I'm personally working towards life my friend. |
wacknizzle
07.09.12 | I was mostly saying that almost all the wars that have been fought in modern world are usually for religion, control, and greed. They are not good, innocent people are dying and there are alot better things that could be fought, like other countries in Africa where innocent people are being annihilated by terrorist regimes. |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | @ wacknizzle - well I agree with your last statement, what I disagree with is this statement that you made : "This ranting is about as pointless as war. "
Since when is discussing mankinds issues pointless? I can excuse your comment but I want to point out that I disagreed with that statement strongly. |
Recspecs
07.09.12 | Modern life is war. |
wacknizzle
07.09.12 | ^
@Birthrite: Most people don't know jack shit about anything and have invalid opinions. |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | @Wacknizzle - while this may be true, the invalid opinions can easily be weeded out using discernment. When an idividual/s are starving for food they will without let up search every rotten tree for at least one good piece of fruit that will sustain them; likewise, if there is one good idea/opinion to be found here, nothing will be wasted. |
lucasjcockcroft
07.09.12 | DAMNIT my Seinfeld joke was already done
i love me some war |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | Do we have anything besides jokes on a serious thread?
Has not anyone asked what my thoughts are on what will end wars for good? |
BirthRite
07.09.12 | My thoughts are unison with this, but this is the bible's answer:
Why Does God Allow Suffering?
EVEN though they may pray, some people
have doubts thatGod exists.Why do they
doubt? Perhaps it is because they see so
much suffering in this world. Have you ever
wondered why God allows suffering?
Did God really make humans as they are
now—imperfect and subject to suffering?We
could hardly respect a god who would purpose
for humans to suffer. But consider this:
If you walked admiringly around a new car
only to find that the far side was damaged,
would you assume that the manufacturer
made it that way? Of course not! You would
conclude that the manufacturer made it
“perfect” and that someone or something
else caused the damage.Similarly, when we admire the marvelous
order and design in the natural world and
then notice the chaos and corruption that
blight the human family, what conclusion
should we draw? The Bible teaches that God
made the first human pair perfect but that
later they caused themselves to become damaged.
(Deuteronomy 32:4, 5) The good news
is that God has promised to repair the damage—
to restore obedient humans to perfection.
Why, though, has hewaited so long?
The reason has to do with the question of
who should rulemankind. God never intended
that humans should rule themselves.
He was to be their Ruler. The Bible itself says:
“It does not belong to man who is walking
even to direct his step.” (Jeremiah 10:23) Sadly,
the first humans chose to rebel against
God’s rulership. Their lawless act made them
sinners. (1 John 3:4) As a result, they lost
their perfection and caused damage to themselves
and their offspring.
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BirthRite
07.09.12 | For thousands of years, God has allowed
humans to rule themselves, and history
has demonstrated that humans do not
have the ability to do so. It shows that all human
governments cause suffering. Not one
has ever eliminated war, crime, injustice, or
disease.
The Bible promises that God will soon
bring about a righteous new world. (2 Peter
3:13) Only those who choose of their own
free will to show love to one another and to
Godwill be allowed to live in it.—Deuteronomy
30:15, 16, 19, 20.
The Bible also says that in “the day of judgment”
that is fast approaching, God will
eliminate suffering and those who cause it.
(2 Peter 3:7) Thereafter, God’s appointed
Ruler, Jesus Christ, will govern obedient humans.
(Daniel 7:13, 14) What will Jesus’ rulership
achieve? The Bible says: “The meek
ones themselves will possess the earth, and
they will indeed find their exquisite delight
in the abundance of peace.”—Psalm
37:11.
As heavenly King, Jesus will undo the
damage—including sickness, aging, and
death—that resulted when humans rebelled
against God, “the source of life.” (Psalm
36:9) Jesus will cure all those who accept his
loving rulership. Under his rule, these Bible
promises will come true:
˛ “No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’ The
people that are dwelling in the land will be
those pardoned for their error.”—Isaiah
33:24.
˛ “[God] will wipe out every tear from
their eyes, and death will be no more, neither
will mourning nor outcry nor pain be
anymore. The former things have passed
away.”—Revelation 21:4.
Is it not comforting to know that soon
God will fulfill his promise to end all suffering?
Meanwhile, we need not lose confidence
that he hears our prayers just because
he presently allows suffering.
God is there. He can hear you, even your
expressions of pain and sorrow. And he is eager
to see you live to enjoy the time when all
your doubts and pain will be gone. |