Divine: If You Could Reason With Religious People

Divine 03.18.12	Some digs and a list
Shuyin 03.18.12	aah too right, and a great list as well
Yazz_Flute 03.18.12	Sweeping philosophical generalizations, brought to you by sputnikmusic.com
tiesthatbind 03.18.12	Idiotic quote
Trebor. 03.18.12	What's happening? I keep my dreadlocks in a napkin ring Rap and sing Unlike the homogenous clones I'm into earth tones, birth stones, and erogenous zones The more ticklish the more you have Sitting on the curb of what used to be the burbs And before that was Canarcie I'm a disturbed and bitter herb Like saltwater and parsley Mics crawl up, tights fall down That's my mnemonic voice stalactite slash stalagmite You may have this Maglite It survived the apocalypse And for the fragile force of an agile horse Here's a handful of very special chocolate chips
Yazz_Flute 03.18.12	Del m/
Divine 03.18.12	"aah too right, and a great list as well" If you like atmospheric/ambient black metal, then you should check out 10 Shuyin
Relinquished 03.18.12	thought this was about me at first
Divine 03.18.12	lol Relinquished
KILL 03.18.12	but that would be impossible relinquished
Hyperion1001 03.18.12	yeah i thought it was about wolfe
Shuyin 03.18.12	oh ill be checkin stuff from this list and it aint just 10 ive got lots and lots of recs to dl but atm the pc is full, need an extra HD.
auberginedreams 03.18.12	or you could just let people believe what they want to believe.
auberginedreams 03.18.12	deltron ftw.
Trebor. 03.18.12	If you give a moose a muffin
Shuyin 03.18.12	my CC mug is allready filled
ConsiderPhlebas 03.18.12	Pretty sure Einstein's ability to use reason would have been a match for yours
MO 03.18.12	nah I knew this would be about religion since sputnik can't seem to leave that shit alone
iambandersnatch 03.18.12	list is troll/flame bait and lol well said yazz
paxman 03.18.12	I feel like Schrodinger's cat.
mastille 03.18.12	"there would be no religious people" lawl
mastille 03.18.12	skipped trebor's poetry for the chocolate chips Wait I hope they're not only metaphorically chocolate chips
Puzzles 03.18.12	Oh shit A Sputnikmusic religion thread Everybody run
ILJ 03.18.12	You don't believe what I believe, therefore you can't reason and are unintelligent. People like you are just as bad as the Christians that shove their beliefs down everybody's throats.
ILJ 03.18.12	Actually that goes for those of any religion.
MO 03.18.12	Good second comment iljajlm.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	yea
mastille 03.18.12	lawl it's a funny phrase, even if it's false BUT if you could reason with everyone, there'd be less extremism from both sides. For the US, maybe there'd be no tea party
North0House2 03.18.12	I once was religious. Then I realized that it was all based on Paganism anyway. So, I figured, why follow something that was against what it preached at its foundation? So, I found my own way. I still believe in God, and I do follow the Bible. But, I'm probably more anti-religion than nearly anyone I know. There are better ways to go about the way you believe instead of falling into one massive, lost, body of people. It's sad, really, because religion (I feel) just kind of prays on those that are desperate for some sort of emotional comfort or purpose. Then, it asks them for money on Sundays in order to pay for their massive churches and top-quality sound systems. It's all so empty. You can get a far more spiritual experience just by sitting in the forest and thinking for long enough. Before I left religion, I had a bad view of Atheists. Now, I honestly respect them. They're a lot more enlightened than most religious people to be honest, because they see the flaws of religion. Though, there are still those in religion who are extremely intelligent and open-minded, they just haven't investigated their own faith enough yet. I do believe that, once they do look into their faith a little more out of sheer curiosity, they will come to discover that religion is a tyrannical monster and it is not worth supporting. Why do nearly all incredibly intelligent people leave religion? It's because they see right through it and they want more- and religion cannot provide more because it's based on man's opinion.
auberginedreams 03.18.12	tldr'd hard.
ConsiderPhlebas 03.18.12	Nearly all incredibly intelligent people. You must be the anthropologist of the millennium if you have that kind of insight into the human race. Well done.
gabethepiratesquid 03.18.12	I don't believe in anything but I don't want to call myself an atheist because then I associate myself with all of the "enlightened" fifteen year-olds who spend their time watching atheist Youtube videos (AmazingAtheist, Thunderf00t, StampCollector) so they feel like they can put down anyone who has religious views. Or goes trying to be offensive on purpose to religious people just because they can then whining when they feel they're being "oppressed" by people putting them down for that.
auberginedreams 03.18.12	wow gabe actually said something that made sense.
mastille 03.18.12	"Atheists are the most close-minded persons in the world" are you one because that's a pretty close-minded statement
mastille 03.18.12	I didn't stop reading there, the rest was just trying to prove your point and/or made very little sense I'm too tired to ask why Bach was brought into a religious conversation
mastille 03.18.12	OK that part about Bach just makes no sense at all, what does religion have to do with tastes in classical music? Y'know there are open-minded atheists that take classes on evolution in biology and religion in history classes, and they can always choose to go to church or not to. And quite a few creationists are trying to stop people from just learning the theory of evolution and making their own decisions about what they believe JUST SAYING
auberginedreams 03.18.12	i agree that a lot of atheists are very closed-minded, but that Bach analogy makes absolutely no sense.
Wolfhorde 03.18.12	But I'm just here to hold your hand when you die There is not a single person who can do it better No needle skipping in my ecosystem But in the audience may be an evil Christian HMO how I hate him so But he charged me for a halo But I'm on a scavenger hunt for a lavender chunk Of the sky, maybe I'll replace it with a mud-pie I put dead songs on a silk screen Buy my shirt it is a killed dream It is known to lead the way to the stairwell to God's administrative office And a final farewell
auberginedreams 03.18.12	yeah i got the abr reference.
ILJ 03.18.12	YOU'RE PUSHING MORE THAN YOU'RE PULLING!! "Atheists are the most close-minded persons in the world." No more so than a lot of Christians. Here we go with sweeping generalizations again. "This is why evolutionism CAN'T BE PROVEN" But, it has strong scientific evidence supporting it. Extremely strong. "because atheist scientists are too close-minded to admit there is a God" Of course they won't admit it, because they're atheists. That's kind of their thing? "ATHEISM ultimately is just another religion for people who believe and put their trusts in the lazyness and narrow view of some human scientists. " Again with sweeping generalizations. Just because they're atheists doesn't mean that they are only so because of what other people tell them. They could just as easily have come to the decision themselves, through their own abstract thoughts. Damn that was some awful logic.
mastille 03.18.12	Oh no ILJALM we can't argue because if we succeed there'll be no more religious people
ILJ 03.18.12	NO ONE LEARNS, FROM SOMEONE THEY HATE!! YOUR MOUTH IS LIKE A GRENADE!!
mastille 03.18.12	That's not a bad song
Wolfhorde 03.18.12	Would you care to take your mind off this reality sandwich? I think I've seen that you nibbled on my reality sandwich!
mastille 03.18.12	Wait but seriously threads have blacklists? lawl
Wolfhorde 03.18.12	1: Dude is a chick. 2: Don't feed the Eastern Europ.. I mean trolls.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	that isn't how they say the first cell appeared, galaxies are created from the explosion of stars etc. which contain all elements found in life, when they explode their rich elements form into things.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	science does have guessing but even theories are based on some sort of grounds to believe they are true while God has no grounds.
ILJ 03.18.12	"The appearance of the first form of life is also a part of evolutionism. Atheists say that the first cell appeared when 250 rare proteins magically got together somewhere in the mud and they got an impulse from a lighting strike and then these proteins became a cell and it decided to multiply and create organisms." It's not like it all happened in an instant. And there was nothing about a lighting strike. These things originated from mutations, mutations that just happened to work and allowed the organism to survive. Because that mutation created an organism more favored to survive, that organism passed on its mutations to its offspring and more favorable mutations occurred and so on and so forth. It doesn't happen in days, it happens over millions of years. Over periods of time that our minds can't comprehend. You talk about close-minded, but you're being just as close-minded as those you're condemning.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	people will never evolve because we let retards live lol.
ILJ 03.18.12	"so evolutionism is basically an even more abstract fairytale than the one from the Bible." What? I'm not even an atheist and this rustles my jimmies.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	The big bang theory may not even be true at all, hell it very well may be completely false but it is the best people have to go on atm.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	because if you can prove it, it would likely disprove God.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	all living things are compromised of the main elements found in stars
ILJ 03.18.12	"I'm sorry but mud is still mud and proteins are still proteins over long periods of time. MATTER CAN'T MUTATE, ONLY ORGANISM CAN YOU F. MORON." Nobody said that matter can mutate.
ILJ 03.18.12	"We're done here ILJAJLM, I don't talk to persons who don't know basic science. " You seem upset.
mastille 03.18.12	ILJAJLM is putting in the most effort, kudos, at this point though I couldn't give a *** If you want to understand what the evidence for evolution is/science in general take an ecology class, then we'll talk I'll go lock my windows
Deviant. 03.18.12	Trying to get into an argument with Baseline is the equivalent of repeatedly slamming your head against the evolution of man
ILJ 03.18.12	"Nice edit ILJAJLM. "proteins have DNA" lmao" It's 4 in the morning here, and I have a case of insomnia. I apologize for a brief disconnect. If I actually thought that, I wouldn't have removed that now would I?
Wolfhorde 03.18.12	Edit: What Dev said. /endthread.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	I also haven't been able to sleep barley for the past like 2 weeks
mastille 03.18.12	Look up Milley-Urey experiment See how by mixing gases in the composition they would have been in the early atmosphere, amino acids (proteins) were synthesized
ILJ 03.18.12	"It's alright ILJAJLM, it's alright for inferior beings to have insomnia, it probably happens all the time, right?" Lol
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	or anxiety or whatever
ILJ 03.18.12	"Sleeping - a way to communicate with God from Earth, and on the second plan a way of relaxing. Totally explains why ya'll have insomnia." Your statement implies I don't believe in God. I do. I just enjoy pointing out the flaws in your arguments.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	it doesn't only support life in fact the explosion of major stars creates all sorts of dead useless planets and other stars. Life is just a possible result.
mastille 03.18.12	"Miss Piggy" I'm taking the cue from Dev and going on to finish my work
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	yea the odds are pretty small that life would be created. Think of each planet as a dice roll of 1 in a trillion. We are the only planet to have life because of a bunch of coincidences such as magnet fields, how close we are to the sun, the proteins that got placed etc. We are merely a spec in the galaxy that is because the odds are so low.
ILJ 03.18.12	"Plenty of favorable things happened to create life, don't you think? Not only there is a bigger chance that a God created life, but there's actually a bigger chance that Miss Piggy created life than the thing science explains us. " Hence the taking billions of years for this to happen.
ILJ 03.18.12	"mastille have more plot holes in his logic than any Michael Bay movie has in its plot." But according to you, a being just said "Hey this thing called Earth would be a cool idea" and just created it. There's a fuck-ton of holes there.
ILJ 03.18.12	So where did God come from? Someone had to create him. Is there just an endless chain of command of higher beings?
Deviant. 03.18.12	I'm not a religious person but I'd still get on my knees and worship at the feet of Baseline
ILJ 03.18.12	That still does not answer where he came from.
Deviant. 03.18.12	Thank god I don't look Australian
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	God is forced to be a logical fallacy but given his resume that is the argument.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	it is also illogical to say everything has to be created except God.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	yea let's sing some ABR instead
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	OPEN WIDE HERE IT COMES THIS PRESCRIPTION WILL MAKE YOU PERFECT
ILJ 03.18.12	Of all the answers I've ever heard to that question, that was the worst. You made some ridiculous semantic excuse to not answer and then added that you pity me. That was hilarious.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	You skeptic, you. You believe in unbelief. You skeptic, you. Now you're the hypocrite. You can't hide from this. You can't hide from... You can't hide from this. You can't hide from this
ILJ 03.18.12	THE WALLS OF A CHURCH DON'T MAKE IT HOLY
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	HE SLEEPS IN THE MOUNTAINS OF INDONESIA AND THE WHITE ON HIS FLAG BRINGS COLOURS TO SHAME COLOURS TO SHAME
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	@Baseline: atheism isn't created, the community of atheism is. Non-belief is the default state and you either come to the conclusion or learn about God.
ILJ 03.18.12	AND AS I RAISE MY HEADS TOWARDS THE HEAVENS TO TAKE ONE LAST LOOK AT THE MOON... the stars begin to fall
ILJ 03.18.12	DON'T SAY ANOTHER WORD YOU'VE CROSSED THE LINE!!
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	GATHER ALL YOUR POSSESSIONS AND SMILE CUS YOU GOT IT ALL.
ILJ 03.18.12	THIS IS WHAT I NEED YOU ARE WHAT I NEED I NEED MOTIVATION TO PROVE YOU WRONG AND I WILL PROVE YOU WRONG
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	YOU'RE IN THE THICK OF IT NOW THE THICK OF IT NOW
ILJ 03.18.12	YOU STAND UP PRIDEFULLY IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS SCREAMING WORDS OF JUSTICE AND TRUTH YOU WEAR THE MARK OF THE CITY'S HERO YOU ARE THE PRETENDER
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	wrong band, la dispute are not welcome here.
ILJ 03.18.12	Lol
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	LIE DOWN YOUR GUARD
ILJ 03.18.12	Baseline feels....up against the ropes
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	basically any argument in favour of the belief in God can be reasonably refuted.
ILJ 03.18.12	She doesn't understand the Paradox of Existence explained by a Rationalist. Okay I'm done now. Lol.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	in the mountains?
gabethepiratesquid 03.18.12	you guys are bitchmade.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	they think we the Black Sheep are pseudo-Rationalists, just Meddlers for those who believe in the Existence. Our Composure will surely be shook some day, we think we are Escape Artists from the law of God but our Ocean of Apathy will only leave us Up Against The Ropes.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	I agree with this theory.
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	@Baseline: have any IDM recs?
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	I can't ask Deviant cus he's a jerk so I am doomed :(
Funeralopolis 03.18.12	cool thanks
jefflebowski 03.18.12	baseline, trolling everybody hard since 2010
londoncalling457 03.18.12	i'm not religious, but it irks me to no end when atheists or anyone who's non-religious attack people who choose to believe in what they do in order to give their life meaning. i don't like it when i feel that (in my experience, usually christians) someone is trying to impose their faith on me, but i would never attack or berate anyone for what they do or do not believe. i also see no use in arguing either side, regardless of what you think makes the most sense, you'll never be 100% sure (unless you're an arrogant asshole), so just don't fucking worry about other people's religious beliefs. bobmarley666 you think you know more than my dad? then don't fucking come
ChuckyTruant 03.18.12	Lol I like the ABR lyrics halfway through the discussion
bakkermaarten007 03.18.12	Baseline...a man with a mission. I like it.
Divine 03.18.12	Fucking lol Nearly 200 comments in and nobody got the reference
Imperial 03.18.12	I don't have a religion does that mean I'm going to hell?
ILJ 03.19.12	Damnit. It's a fucking House quote. It all makes perfect sense now.
Funeralopolis 03.19.12	My gripe with religious people is that they believe something based on nothing, not even any particular reason to believe what they believe is true. also I forgot about house it rules.
Divine 03.19.12	So much butthurt all over the place
mastille 03.19.12	I thought House was always misquoted there (season 4 ep 2 or something?) http://diagorasofmelos.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/house_md_on_the_religious/
qwe3 03.19.12	"yea the odds are pretty small that life would be created. Think of each planet as a dice roll of 1 in a trillion" idk if youre trolling but its actually closer to a billion and the fact that there are way over a billion planets in the universe that we know of actually points to a relative certainty that life would eventually occur. which is in turn pretty strong evidence for other life out there. i mean millions and millions of light years away but still cool to think about