NWOAHM666: Am I The Only One To Think That This Is Retarded?

NWOAHM666 07.14.12	The amount of stupidity contained in that article is so high that I almost question myself if he's trolling.
taylormemer 07.14.12	Brett Stevens speaks the truth. 666
tarkus 07.14.12	thats hilarious and lamb of god sucks so therefore fuck you
Vesper 07.14.12	Yep, so far, you're the only one. 'Texas could conceivably execute nu-metallers for violating the state's aesthetic incompetence laws.' This would be an improvement on the current state of their justice system.
Hyperion1001 07.14.12	holy shit that article rules
MO 07.14.12	good article but "as is common in third-world-level civilizations like those of Eastern Europe." holy fuck eastern europe is definitely not third world level what a douche
tarkus 07.14.12	yeah that was the one thing i didnt like
taylormemer 07.14.12	I think that was tongue-in-cheek. Rest of the article speaks the truth though.
MO 07.14.12	^ yea no doubt, his talk of all the faux metal is needed
taylormemer 07.14.12	m/
SeaAnemone 07.14.12	I mean I'm cool with generalities but how does one go from "Lamb Of God fan" to " neckbearded emo indie-rocker hipsters who are pretending to like metal." A little continuity would be nice.
SeaAnemone 07.14.12	and since when is shoegaze a subgenre of metal lol
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	How is LOG false metal again? They might not be that great and are kinda just doing the Pantera redneck groove thing but they're not false. It seems like any metal band that is remotely popular and whose singer you can understand a little bit these days is false metal. Anything that isnt pure death, black, or oldschool type thrash/heavy/doom metal is false metal.
NotSoFast 07.14.12	m/
Relinquished 07.14.12	sea it said shoegaze-black
Vesper 07.14.12	Oh, hey, is Yankee gonna go on another rant about metal elitism again?
taylormemer 07.14.12	Yeah, and then show us some gore links.
MO 07.14.12	only to promptly delete
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Nah Vesper I just want an answer. What actually about LOG is "false" metal. Which again is the stupidest term Ive ever fuckin heard.
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	I didnt delete it MO.
Hyperion1001 07.14.12	everything about them is false because they suck just like you
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Say what you want about Metalcore and Nu Metal but those genres got alot of people into metal in the first place. Most people dont just jump right into Paysage D'Hiver. Music is meant to be experimented with so to just put metal into this little tiny box is going to stagnate it more than it already is. Are bands like Tool, Faith No More, Alice In Chains, Rage Against The Machine and all that alternative metal stuff false too? What is the actual cutoff between what is or isnt metal? Is only the most underground of shit that 5 people or less like metal? Help me out.
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Hype there are boatloads of shitty "trve" metal that all sounds exactly the same. If being "trve" means doing the same boring shit over and over then trve metal is horrible. I cant think of any genres of music that are more stagnant than "kvit" death and black metal. Yet when both genres do try and experiment a little bit they are called false. Unless the quality is so bad you cant even hear whats going on. Then its okay.
SeaAnemone 07.14.12	"sea it said shoegaze-black" "If this prosecution is successful, nu-metal, shoegaze, indie-metal, black punk and metalcore musicians should fear arrest worldwide for simple crimes."
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	Guys forget about LoG for a minute. Is crust "false metal"? Is Converge "false metal"? (and please note that I don't even like Converge apart from their most hardcorish material) Think about that.
Relinquished 07.14.12	"the nu-styles of metal (metalcore, deathcore, nu-metal, indie-metal, shoegaze-black, emo, black punk)"
ffs 07.14.12	the article is a joke guys
ffs 07.14.12	not a very funny one but
Relinquished 07.14.12	crust isn't even metal you dumbass it's hardcore punk
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	"crust isn't even metal you dumbass it's hardcore punk" So it can't be called false metal either. Boom.
Vesper 07.14.12	No one's calling bands who got popular or those who experiment 'false metal', dumbass. It's usually used to refer to bands who pander to the mainstream or attempt to package extreme metal as a more commercially desirable product. Same reason people in alternative communities dislike Hot Topic and fashion punks. 'I cant think of any genres of music that are more stagnant than "kvit" death and black metal. Yet when both genres do try and experiment a little bit they are called false.' This just shows you know absolute shit about either of those genres.
KILL 07.14.12	sweet
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Also to continue my rant Ill never understand why thrash is considered metal but metalcore isnt. They're both heavily influenced by hardcore punk. Crossover especially. Metalcore has been by far the biggest subgenre of metal the last 10 years and got millions of people interested in it again. Same with Melodeath, Nu Metal, and Alternative Metal before it. So when did death/black metal become the only trve forms of metal? Nobody can answer that without sounding like a tool. Just so we're clear is every new genre of metal going to be labeled false from now on? Without metalcore, nu metal, glam metal and other "false" genres that helped many people get into metal as whole half the metal fans around today probably wouldnt even exist and metal would be no more.
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	Metalcore may or not be metal.
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	"It's usually used to refer to bands who pander to the mainstream or attempt to package extreme metal as a more commercially desirable product." Getting up to the mainstream =/= selling out.
taylormemer 07.14.12	666
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Vesper show me some bands that you think are really doing something new then. Im actually curious because it seems like every list one of you guys make and I go check the bands out are just filled with bands that sound like every other band. And Vesper I get that argument for bands like Asking Alexandria but not LOG. I dont think LOG is trying to be "extreme metal". They're just a decent groove metal band that happens to be very popular. What makes them false?
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	I mean what makes Iron Maiden not false then? They obviously pandered to the mainstream since they were heavily melodic, had sing a long choruses, and even had some songs geared for radio play. Are they false? When did all these rules come into play?
taylormemer 07.14.12	I dunno. Maybe your gore site can tell us. I'm sure they hav vids ov people being tortured with iron maiden's and lambs being sacrificed to god.
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	Yankee has a point. Numerous "trve" bands of the 70s and 80s have appealed to the mainstream (e.g. Kreator in the mid/late 90s).
Deafcorejr 07.14.12	NWOAHM's M.O.- Talk shit about metalcore. Rate Hatebreed albums at a 4 or higher.
Aids 07.14.12	that article was sweet and youre an idiot :D
Vesper 07.14.12	'Getting up to the mainstream =/= selling out' That's exactly what I said - "No one's calling bands who got popular or those who experiment 'false metal'". Learn to read. 'Im actually curious because it seems like every list one of you guys make and I go check the bands out are just filled with bands that sound like every other band.' Most of the metal lists on here suck complete ass or actually do repeat the same shit over and over, so that's your first mistake. Check out projects from the Black Twilight Circle and Rhinocervs collectives - Arizmenda, Axeman, Absum, Odz Manouk, The Haunting Presence, Tukaaria, etc. Compare those to bands like, for example, Fell Voices, Torture Chain, Wulkanaz, Sutekh Hexen, Durazis, or Cornigr, and if you seriously think those all sound the same, you should just give the fuck up on these genres, because you clearly don't have an ear for them. If you hate these genres so much, stop fucking listening to them and prattling on about how goddamn 'stagnant' they are, as if you didn't just start listening to 'kvlt' black/death metal only a couple months ago, if even that. 'Appealing' to the mainstream and having melodic sensibilities is not the same as 'pandering' to the popular market, but since when did anyone accuse Iron Maiden of being 'false'? You're just making straw man arguments now. And you're willing to make a subjective judgement about Asking Alexandria but others shouldn't for LoG? Hahahaha.
KILL 07.14.12	vesper chill baby relax lay back baby
rockandmetaljunkie 07.14.12	stupid article
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Ill check those out Vesp and get back to you. And nobody does accuse Maiden of being false. Thats my point. What doesnt make them false going by your definition? You're not being very clear. I mean even Black Sabbath wrote Paranoid which is a pop song through and through. You're telling me they werent trying to get that on the radio and appeal to the mainstream? Because it worked and was their highest charting song by far. I just want to know what constitutes as false.
Relinquished 07.14.12	chill out wizard
Relinquished 07.14.12	"even Black Sabbath wrote Paranoid which is a pop song through and through. You're telling me they werent trying to get that on the radio and appeal to the mainstream?" you're acting as if you know how music was back in the 70's
Relinquished 07.14.12	???
Vesper 07.14.12	What exactly is so hard to understand about the difference between metal bands that write music with pop sensibilities (especially OLDER metal bands before metal became much more abrasive and the 'false' thing is largely irrelevant, since this term came up within more extreme metal circles anyway), and metal bands that commercialize a 'heavy or brutal' sound, often without real substance or originality? It's band that take a sound that was originally meant to challenge/turn off mainstream listeners, but makes it more palatable, therefore, pretty much neutering the subversive aspect of it. If you're actually going to argue a large chunk of metalcore and Pantera-ripoff bands aren't extremely commodified, profit-geared branches of metal (i.e. 'false' - I prefer the terms 'unoriginal' and 'shitty'), I don't really know what else to say to you.
Relinquished 07.14.12	50s
Relinquished 07.14.12	says the dude with 9000+ comments since september
KILL 07.14.12	omg
Nikkolae 07.14.12	im pretty sure hes trolling
Vesper 07.14.12	Yeah, the irony of one of the most useless commenters on this site telling me to shut the fuck up. I'm sorry, you're probably not used to reading or writing text longer than a sentence or two. Should I cut it up into smaller chunks for you, baby?
Vesper 07.14.12	*yea, not yeah
KILL 07.14.12	vesper baby chill baby come sit next to me by the fire its bastille day baby lets jam
Hyperion1001 07.14.12	haha
Vesper 07.14.12	I only jam to Rush when Ire plays it, but I might make an exception for you, Kill.
Vesper 07.14.12	'saying yea for two months straight really paid off'
Vesper 07.14.12	lol
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Vesper I listened to a song or two from each of the bands you recd and theres nothing special or terribly original about any of them. There might be very very very subtle differences but I want more than that. It sounds like the same old raw bm to me. Some of them were solid songs (Axeman and Tukaaria stand out in the first group) but if these are the best examples you got for BM bands experimenting thats pretty sad.
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	"Talk shit about metalcore." I never meant to insult metalcore, I just said it isn't necessarily metal. I can't understand how that's an insult. "If you're actually going to argue a large chunk of metalcore and Pantera-ripoff bands aren't extremely commodified, profit-geared branches of metal (i.e. 'false' - I prefer the terms 'unoriginal' and 'shitty'), I don't really know what else to say to you." So you prefer the terms "unoriginal" and "shitty"? So do I. Just because it's rubbish doesn't mean it's not metal.
NWOAHM666 07.14.12	And just because it's rubbish doesn't mean it should be persecuted and destroyed. There's worse stuff out there anyway.
TheFonz123 07.14.12	"Nah Vesper I just want an answer." I SHALL SUPPLY YOU WITH THE ANSWERS
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Fonz I know you like the BM and alot of experimental stuff so shoot me some BM you think is pushing boundaries man. But keep it short n sweet I dont wanna be checking out 50 bands here cuz I got beers to drink.
Hyperion1001 07.14.12	so basically you use this account to tell us how you really feel about music (i.e. that you suck at it) and then use your other account to try oh so desperately to be a part of the elite crowd and then use the other 50000 alts to attempt to troll with some contrived or extremely vapid subject im not sure why you are still here though its quite clear that everybody hates you and wants you to leave
Vesper 07.14.12	'There might be very very very subtle differences but I want more than that.' Okay, we're done here, if your hearing is that unrefined. I like how you don't care that LoG isn't particularly original, but throw a huge fit when bm bands aren't astoundingly different from each other, so, yeah, go listen to your 'decent groove metal band'. 'Just because it's rubbish doesn't mean it's not metal.' Lol, you're taking 'false metal' way too literally. It doesn't mean it's 'not metal', just that it has characteristics that seem at odds with its aesthetic aims (like trying to be both commercially marketable and 'controversial'/subversive). I don't seriously use the term myself, but I'm just explaining the common attitude behind it. And just because musical abortions like Blood on the Dance Floor exist doesn't mean rubbish metal shouldn't be criticized.
Trebor. 07.14.12	So much stupidity in here
Satellite 07.14.12	"How is LOG false metal again?" hahahahahahaha
Skrapyard 07.14.12	"Some of them were solid songs (Axeman and Tukaaria stand out in the first group) but if these are the best examples you got for BM bands experimenting thats pretty sad." Define 'experimenting'. What is it that you're looking for that you aren't finding? If you can better articulate where you feel this sort of music is failing, we'll be better equipped to help you out.
MO 07.14.12	hahaha what a thread
YankeeDudel 07.14.12	Nevermind Skrap. You hooked me up with some good stuff. Digging Vegas Martyrs and a couple others so I guess they're kinda what I was looking for. Vegas Martyrs is a Prurient side project I see. Makes sense. Its def something a little different in how they mix industrial, noise, and bm. At least to me. Cheers.
NWOAHM666 07.15.12	"And just because musical abortions like Blood on the Dance Floor exist doesn't mean rubbish metal shouldn't be criticized." In fact I never said that. What I meant is that you shouldn't tell people what to like anyways. And I'm not the only one to take "false metal" too seriously as many people try to force the view that, say, LoG have nothing to do with metal.