RightSaidFred: Scandinavian Death Metal

R6Rider 05.24.11	I digs the melodeath.
Trebor. 05.24.11	In Flames is melodic death metal, which is Scandinavian death metal. Dude.
Trebor. 05.24.11	It's not your opinion. They helped invent melodic death metal. Holmes.
demigod! 05.24.11	the best kind of death metal In Flames used to be so good.
Psilocyanide 05.24.11	Nice list especially 20.
climactic 05.24.11	"lol not really, its more like just melodic metal with death metal vocals...not heavy enough to be death metal at all." prob only heard take this life
Trebor. 05.24.11	They aren't very death metal anymore.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	"i dont consider in flames death metal, but theres some good shit on this list." ....ok there is no other genre to classify that album. if not death metal than what?
climactic 05.24.11	lunar strain and jester race are totes death metal, bro, just super melodic also dismembers first album has a lot of melo-deathy stuff and that came out 3 years before heartwork
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	list is awesome btw
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	The Jester Race is death metal. if you think otherwise you are stupid
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	wait u talking to me or detriment?
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	haha ok good lol
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	seriously? thats gorification? fuck, that guy was an idiot
Trebor. 05.24.11	This guy doesn't understand the concept of sub-genres.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	@det... you are too stupid to live. thats like saying opeth isn't death metal because they use an acoustic guitar.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	ok then what genre is jester race?
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	http://www.last.fm/music/In+Flames/The+Jester+Race http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Flames http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/in_flames/the_jester_race/ wow. they all say melo-death. probably they're just all stupid right. yeah.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	also the intro to 9 out of all the 12 songs on jester race starts with double bass. and thats just the intros. hurr durr
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	uh yeah. genres are often classified circumstantially and genres are based on consensus rather than "what you think." i just realized every song except jesters dance has a blast beat in it. your arguement just died. its not even the fact that you don't agree. its the fact that you are so obviously wrong (and you are gorification which makes anything you say irrelevant) and yet you still seem to argue.
InAbsentia 05.24.11	Needs moar Opeth
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	wrong. most of them are real blast beats. im a drummer and speed doesn't real make a difference in classification. Jester race has blast beats, growling vocals, tremelo picking, tempo changes and atonality. all attributes of death metal. the only thing that remotely classifies it as heavy metal is the melodic guitars, but even they are to melodic for heavy metal, and the guitars are more distorted than in heavy metal too. stop gripping at straws. "ohh dey are to slow"
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	no im not. thats how society works dumbass. genres are based on people. do you think there is a national counsel of genres or something? no, genres are invented by people and used by people. in genres, more people DOES me more valid.
Trebor. 05.24.11	Detriment is probably a conspiracy theorist.
FatChickIrl 05.24.11	12 is some of the awesomest artwork ever
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	i remember i had an argument with him whether job for a cowboy (or some gayass deathcore band) was death metal or not. this is that in the same.
Trebor. 05.24.11	He totally is a conspiracy theorist.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	what? speed or blastbeats doesn't matter. speed is not a major trait of death metal at all. autopsy, hooded menace, early anathema, early katatonia, ect. are not death metal by that stand point. you are just plain wrong on that.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	no you were trying to tell me Doom was death metal. ruination is death metal, but it sucks anyways so why would i care.
Mewcopa0 05.24.11	also the vocals are the main factor. in fact they ARE the only factor that really matter. heavy metal isn't a form of extreme metal. the harsh vocals alone rules out heavy metal.
Mewcopa0 05.25.11	"anyways, bottom line, they have death metal influences, but theyre not death metal. death metal is abrasive, heavy, and discordant. in flames contains way too much melody to ever be considered death metal." techincally you are saying that ALL melodic death metal isn't death metal. of course its melodic dumbass its called MELODIC DEATH METAL. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh also i made a death metal list a while back (on my old profile) and you rec'd me Doom. yes. you did. i told you it wasn't even death metal and you flipped crackers. i remember this quite vividly.
ev0ken 05.25.11	great list. got all but 9,13
liledman 05.25.11	"@det... you are too stupid to live. thats like saying opeth isn't death metal because they use an acoustic guitar." wouldnt say that they are a death metal band first and foremost though. "lyrics shouldnt help define genre" exceptions to the rule exist in every genre, just like with style and musicality. genres are general terms.
Jethro42 05.25.11	ah bon
acorncheese 05.25.11	LOL DETRIMENT IS GORIFICATION?????? KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING DUMB ABOUT DET.
Mewcopa0 05.25.11	"melodic death metal still maintains heaviness, retard. therefore it can still be considered death metal." Dark Tranquillity, Hypocrisy, Soilwork, Scar Symmetry, Blinded Colony, Insomnium, Be'Lakor, Arch Enemy, Arghoslent are all not very heavy and they are all some of the biggest melo-death bands. How do you even measure "heavyness." Heavyness is arbitrary. Case in point, Growling=Death metal and there is no debating that (except of course grind, but you can hardly call that growling.)
Crysis 05.25.11	Good list, pretty much everything here is excellent.
Mewcopa0 05.25.11	@ det..."'so if someone growled along to an acoustic guitar, it would be death metal because of the vocal style?..." ....actually yes. It would be. I don't think it could be classified as anything else.
rasputin 05.25.11	'and im pretty sure carcass were the first ones to come out with a melodic death metal album.' lol you have no idea what you're talking about
rasputin 05.25.11	also: 'In Flames: iron maiden with dm vocals.' so is arghoslent, does that mean they aren't death metal
ffs 05.25.11	cool list, gay argument
Mewcopa0 05.25.11	"arghoslent is a lot heavier than in flames" thats so arbitrary. heaviness is so subjective. you can judge music solely on heaviness. my theory, the death metal expert (rasp) of the site thinks you are wrong, which is to much against you to keep arguing
rasputin 05.25.11	i'm never wrong and if you think that carcass were the first ones to do melodic death, then you don't really have any clue about the genre
rasputin 05.25.11	lol good one, you got me there, i guess no other death metal band with an element of melody existed before heartwork. i better go do some more research on youtube.
rasputin 05.25.11	oh and I guess this is the point where you try to argue that melodic death =/= death with melody? lol finished reading all your comments on this list, the fact you're even trying to argue with me is hilarious
kris. 05.25.11	rofl at a new guy arguing with rasputin
kris. 05.25.11	new to me rasputin knows his shit and every single one of your posts that ive seen is utter crap so go killyourselfplz
rasputin 05.25.11	did you just try to use dismember to prove your point? lol dismember aren't melodic death metal and their reference to this argument is irrelevant. like i said, you don't know anything about the genre and try to back up your claims with the logic of a 12 year old. 'thats what i meant by, "no shit melody existed in dm before heartwork." youre not very smart, are you?' but just before you said carcass were the first to do a melodic death metal album. and now you're saying melodic death metal existed before carcass. i'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're actually dumb. 'second time ive had to tell you retard, ive been here for over a year and a half.' WOW a year and a half! that validates all your points!
kris. 05.25.11	nah theres a little bit of juice left
Psychopathologist 05.25.11	lolol this list
rasputin 05.25.11	lol u mad? and i have read it again. melody in dm is melodic dm. you said carcass were the first ones to come out with a melodic death metal album. now you're arguing against your own point. are you retarded?
SeaAnemone 05.25.11	argue with berkay look fucking dumb
kris. 05.25.11	idk based on my experiences with this detriment kid he just has to post to look fucking dumb
rasputin 05.25.11	come on guys, he might not be that dumb, he's just an opeth kid who thinks he knows sum dm because he likes lykathea aflame who are TOTALLY out of this world (snicker snicker)
Trebor. 05.25.11	100
Trebor. 05.25.11	Fuck :(
rasputin 05.25.11	why do you keep bringing up dismember? it's got nothing to do with this conversation. let me put this in the most basic way possible, as you seem to be having trouble understanding you said 'and im pretty sure carcass were the first ones to come out with a melodic death metal album.' then you said 'lol no shit melody existed in dm before heartwork' this is a contradiction. a contradiction means two things which are inconsistent in regards to definition and meaning. even ignoring all of that, looking at the things you've said to other people i can make the safe assumption that you're stupid.
SeaAnemone 05.25.11	... trouble in River City
kris. 05.25.11	ROUND THREE DING DING
Ire 05.25.11	best thread ever
acorncheese 05.25.11	i trust ire
bbaked 05.25.11	lol this thread
Trebor. 05.25.11	Top 5 material.
rasputin 05.25.11	'actually its not. just because a band had some melody beforehand doesnt make them melodic death. there has to be a certain focus on being melodic. seems you have trouble understanding that, buddy.' actually no. you're wrong. this is simply because you're misguided into thinking melodic death is a seperate label from death metal. maybe actually listen to some more death metal before trying to argue with the grown-ups because it makes you look retarded. 'looking at the things youve been saying i can make the safe assumption that youre a pretentious douchebag. youre opinion is worthless.' your*
kris. 05.25.11	i dont think ive seen raspy rage once this whole argument all ive read from you is YEAH MAN IVE GOT EVERY IN FLAMES ALBUM EVER MADE I AM TEH AUTHORITY ON MELODIC DEATH FUCK ALL OF YOU GUYS IM SO SMART HURDURRRR see how i made you sound like a retard its cuz you are
acorncheese 05.25.11	dude you watch chuck
kris. 05.25.11	........oh yeah... :(
bbaked 05.25.11	in flames were the first death metal band
rasputin 05.25.11	come on now kris, chuck? also what happened to the panasonicyouth account or am i thinking of somebody else
kris. 05.25.11	nah rasp thats me this was my first acct and i missed posting under it so iw as like fuck it and remade the account and BRO CHUCK IS TOO AWESOME YOU GUYS JUST DONT KNOW HOW AWESOME IT IS FUCK YOU ALL also you are opinion is worthless you really are a retard lolololol
bbaked 05.25.11	dark tranquillity was the second dm band
kris. 05.25.11	you guys are dumb cannibal corpse was the first dm band goddamn
Trebor. 05.25.11	Death To Smoochy was the first dm movie.
rasputin 05.25.11	'umm...you sure about that rasputin? im pretty sure "your" indicates ownership while "youre" means "you are." you just keep making yourself look stupid. 'youre opinion is worthless' this is meant to be 'your'. lmao, you dipshit. 'ive listened to plenty of death metal, enough to know that in flames isnt death metal.' oxymoron from a moron
kris. 05.25.11	ummmmmmm pretty sure i know my DM i ahve every cannibal corpse album and metallica and even death im pretty fukin smart
rasputin 05.25.11	oh i guess i got beaten. still, i'll leave it up there as a testament to your stupidity.
Ire 05.25.11	guys i know the real death metal i have like every death album duhhhhh
rasputin 05.25.11	lol someone's mad detriment is probably sweating profusely and refreshing the page every 5 seconds to make sure he can get in another retarded 'comeback' as soon as possible
kris. 05.25.11	have you guys ever heard of megadeth theyre prtty death metal i know lots of undergronud dm bands like that
Trebor. 05.25.11	Helen Keller sings in a deaf metal band. Like death metal, the vocals define the genre.
Hyperbore 05.25.11	All death metal is melodic. It's just not all saccharine and metrosexual, like In Flames.
Xplisit 05.25.11	that wasnt funny gtfo faggot
kris. 05.25.11	in flames sucks anyways who cares
rasputin 05.25.11	'lol actually ive been having fun since youve come onto this list, rasputin.' sure, and i'm sure you were trolling me all along as well. good job, have a cookie.
liledman 05.25.11	"oxymoron from a moron" gold
Crysis 05.25.11	Don't think I've ever seen such an argument over melodic death metal before. And lol @ thinking Carcass were the first ones to play mdm
Motiv3 05.25.11	im pretty sure ive heard an argument about melodic death metal before, maybe not its origins but still.
MO 05.25.11	this thread is funny
ZombieParty 05.25.11	This list makes me want to listen to 4
jayfatha 05.25.11	This is quite an amusing thread
AngelofDeath 05.25.11	Wow, I'm sorry I missed this thread.
MO 05.25.11	A classic genre war, go figure.
Voivod 05.25.11	a good addition would be Centinex, an act in a strictly underground status.
Mewcopa0 05.25.11	stupid user says stupid things gets owned by many people oh wait i says i trolling .....user experiances epic fail nice try. come back next list.
Hyperbore 05.25.11	I only listen to hypermelodicized guttural doomcrust life metal.
Hyperion1001 05.25.11	"It's just not all saccharine and metrosexual, like In Flames." 123 There are some bands that utilize more dissonance than melody but i generally agree.
Keyblade 05.25.11	lol cob
Mewcopa0 05.25.11	lol children of bodom
Psychopathologist 05.25.11	lolol children of bodom
Spec 05.25.11	lololol
rasputin 05.26.11	children of bodom are not death metal
Motiv3 05.26.11	lol @ COB being MDM.
Keyblade 05.26.11	^ So you're saying bands like Bodom, Kalmah and Norther are not MDM?
Crysis 05.26.11	Kalmah is melodic dm but I wouldn't say CoB or Norther are.
VeilOfOsiris 05.26.11	wasnt in flames on guitar hero?
Hawks 05.26.11	Kalmah is without a doubt. Children of Bodom's stuff is a mix of a few things and can't just be called melo-death.
BloodSweatandBeers 05.26.11	Children of Bodom is some of the corniest, pop sounding metal in existence...just awful
Keyblade 05.26.11	lol
ShadowRemains 05.28.11	...detriment is gorification? that explains EVERYTHING
rasputin 05.28.11	[quote]Btw, when I say CoB, I mean first 3/4 albums CoB.[/quote] when i talk about things, i assign meanings to these things which are unclear and incorrect
Ire 05.28.11	"...detriment is gorification? that explains EVERYTHING" hahaha no way
ShadowRemains 05.28.11	well he's proven himself more of a moron than i ever had thought before in this thread.
Ire 05.28.11	pure gold itt