FictionalFlames
07.11.12 | Let the shit storm commence |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | no, I'm a leader not a follower |
sixdegrees
07.11.12 | nah, not really. |
ZilbelPing
07.11.12 | I'm a catholic but I honestly don't care about religion anymore. I believe there's a god but I don't believe in the way people choose to worship their god. |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | yes i do but i'm not a douche about it. i learned a loooong ass time ago that no one absolutely no one in the real world wants to hear about your religion so keep it to yourself. |
ZilbelPing
07.11.12 | tl;dr
no, not really |
FictionalFlames
07.11.12 | personally idgaf |
Apollo
07.11.12 | I am a Christian but this is the internet so why talk about something that no one wants to talk about |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | exactly |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | Much of what will come after this will probably be a bunch of people arguing and wasting their time, but to answer the question simply: yes. Even atheists (especially those in-your-face aggressive types) should care about religion, otherwise they wouldn't know how to formulate opinions to go against it. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Organized religion was created as a way to enslave. What one should actually care about is the spiritual journey. Your soul exists and your purpose is to fulfill specific lessons throughout this life time; to progress.
Trebor, it has nothing to do with being a leader - that's your ego which is far from a good thing.
Spirituality ties a whole lot to psychology, the more you learn about yourself; the more you will learn about others, become aware, tolerant and enlightened.
Religion is a facade intended to pull you away from discovering who you really are. It has created a crutch to fall on and implanted a fear in many to stay in line and follow along. The majority of us are born knowing wrong from right and you're nurtured into your beliefs and moral values.
You are a piece of everything around you, the sooner you realize that; the better. |
iglu
07.11.12 | what ZilbelPing said |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | To quote Minor Threat it's just filler |
Imperial
07.11.12 | Whatever gets you through your pathetic shit existence is fine by me as long as you're not harming anyone...even then who the fuck am I? |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | No, not really. |
auberginedreams
07.11.12 | i'm catholic but i'm not uptight about it. |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | "The majority of us are born knowing wrong from right and you're nurtured into your beliefs and moral values."
Clearly not a proponent of Tabula Rasa. Seriously though, we're not born knowing shit, we're taught it. Of course we're able to think for ourselves and know that certain things are just wrong, but without the cultural values we have to today, who's to say? |
YoYoMancuso
07.11.12 | i was raised as a Christian and I've come to believe over time, but this is a music site so I talk about music. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I still can't figure out if Camaraderie is a girl and is using her own picture on a site like this... for attention or a dude trolling all the sad guys with no one to talk to. If it is indeed the girl in the photo, I thought that haircut died in '07 with myspace trains and coontails. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Yeah that's the part of religion I find to be the biggest bullshit
If you were born in a different part of the world you would be a different religion and you would be convinced that that religion is the right one and the other ones are shit |
MuhNamesTyler
07.11.12 | I believe in a higher power/god of my understanding but organized religion is a joke. |
LifeAsAChipmunk
07.11.12 | The exact moral system is set by the environment however we are born with sympathy and empathy, two things from which 'morality' stems from. |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | "...I thought that haircut died in '07 with myspace trains and coontails."
man, you sure showed her! |
CaptainDooRight
07.11.12 | Interesting thread. I'm going to pass on commenting but I am curious as to what people will say, so tagged. |
auberginedreams
07.11.12 | "I thought that haircut died in '07 with myspace trains and coontails."
her haircut looks pretty normal tbh. |
ZilbelPing
07.11.12 | I would've expected more comments and some arguments starting by now.
Wtf happened, Sputnik? |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | I try not to think about it, but it pops in my head quite often. I consider myself agnostic, but if I revert back to Christianity or not down the line will mostly be up the girl I'll be with. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | If you were born in nazi germany you would be a nazi
Freewill is pretty much nonexistent, life is a game of chance and circumstances
The fact that you exist is really unlikely, if your dad had blown his load like 5 seconds later you wouldn't exist |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | FourthReich, oh I was certainly trying real hard to do so. |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | Oh I'm so flattered, Djentuhy. Thanks.
"I would've expected more comments and some arguments starting by now."
It's 1 in the morning. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I just think you're a try hard, lawlz. |
auberginedreams
07.11.12 | time zones and such. |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | good one |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | "If you were born in nazi germany you would be a nazi"
? |
ZilbelPing
07.11.12 | Ehh I guess |
sixdegrees
07.11.12 | catfight!
|
Trebor17
07.11.12 | My point is that all of your values and beliefs are bullshit and are mostly cultural which is purely coincidental and has nothing to do with free choice
Unless you're the religion that isn't the major religion where you're from or the religion of your parents then you probably chose it instead of it being given to you |
cisumkintups
07.11.12 | No. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Meowwwwwwww. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | Let's instead talk about what virgin we should sacrifice next to the dark lord? |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Does no one else want to get all philosophical with me or what? |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | yeah i'm fine with that treb, that was just an odd analogy imo that's all. |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | I think we all agree with you Treb |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I would but It's 1:30am, I've been up for a long time and basically you regurgitated most of what I said. Except, Freewill exists; you just need to realize you've been programmed by numerous influences of society and break that. My first comment on this thread states that your purpose is to figure out who you truly are. Nothing more and nothing less. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | I would if I wasn't on my phone.
We could discuss the pros and cons of porn. |
MuhNamesTyler
07.11.12 | Where is that birthrite guy |
sixdegrees
07.11.12 | say his name three times and clap your hands. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | I saw this shit on the science channel where they did this test where they hooked up this dude's brain to this machine and they asked him questions and his subconscious answered the questions a few seconds before he did so like that kind of shits on freewill kind of considering your subconscious is you anyway |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Birthrite isn't entirely wrong... he just goes about it in an excruciatingly *out-dated manner. |
eternium
07.11.12 | I care about religion in the way that I think it'd be moronic to elect a man who believes Jesus came to America and his underwear is magic as president. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | "Except, Freewill exists; you just need to realize you've been programmed by numerous influences of society and break that."
This so hard, it's a shame so few people are able to though |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Your subconscious is who you really are. Many people have been desensitized. |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | "I think we all agree with you Treb"
i don't, though i do understand what he is saying and will concede because many people on earth do exemplify the characteristics of which he typed. |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | "Let's instead talk about what virgin we should sacrifice next to the dark lord?"
Or about how our souls come from aliens' souls and were brainwashed to believe in false Gods. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | I like this camaraderie chick. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Gods back in the egyptian days were actually humans who unlocked the Pineal gland, allowing them to produce "powers" for lack of better words - that seemed supernatural but the truth of the matter, we're all capable of them. You've been finely tuned to keep your pineal gland inactive through many media outlets, the food you consume, medication and numerous other influences.
|
MuhNamesTyler
07.11.12 | Yeah I bet we were all dinosaurs in a previous life |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | I was Harriet Tubman in a past life true story. |
MuhNamesTyler
07.11.12 | Lol Dude I was so a T-Rex |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | You were probably a human being, as most of us were...
I feel like if I continue with this, there will be a lot of backlash but for those of you who are interested - read up on the Pineal Gland, Metaphysics and astral planes. If you're that into it, you'll find some occult related material that is good reads. |
guitarnater
07.11.12 | I've never really understood what people mean by "forcing religion down their throats." I grew up in church, and I still attend regularly, nobody can force you to believe anything, they can just try to teach you what they believe. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | Make your comments my human brothers and sisters for I am listening. There is no reason for me to be hasty so as to make a response to each of your comments as of now.
It is late where I am as well and it would be best that I reside for the night and tommorow I will wake and be thinking of you and will make reply to those who are serious in their words and those who may be looking for a response. For God has all the answers in his word and will do nothing but relay them to you for wish not to speak my own thoughts, but those of Gods.
I do want you all to know that although I do not know you all personally I do love you all for anything that comes from my Father is perfect. So let him bring you all including myself back to perfection. And remember time is only made up. Time will continue and you need not be anxious about anything, for we can all agree that we are all presently conscious. But I ask you all to be conscious of your spiritual need and to not be stumbled by those words as those without reasoning do.
Goodnite. |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | Except, Freewill exists; you just need to realize you've been programmed by numerous influences of society and break that."
As if you didn't "learn" that from a book or something. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | "I feel like if I continue with this, there will be a lot of backlash but for those of you who are interested - read up on the Pineal Gland, Metaphysics and astral planes. If you're that into it, you'll find some occult related material that is good reads."
Are you saying I can have superpowers??? Where do I sign up? |
Kris.
07.11.12 | you are a false prophet and god is a superstition |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Who you are pretty much only has to do with other people around you and your surroundings
Like if you put a new born baby in a closet and took it out when it turned 8 it wouldn't know shit and would basically be a vegetable
|
MuhNamesTyler
07.11.12 | "You were probably a human being, as most of us were..."
We will never know |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | "Are you saying I can have superpowers??? Where do I sign up?"
Just sacrifice your first son to the White man with a beard who lives in the clouds. |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | "We will never know"
We can pretend to know and lead people to believe that we do. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | "you are a false prophet and god is a superstition"
Hahahaha |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | AsoTamaki: Learning is a part of the process, what I said isn't something told to you by the masses. It isn't taught in school, it isn't broadcasted on the television or marketing ads. It is the recognition of a flaw within humanity that has led to the loss of self - influenced, propagated and organized with the intentions of making you blissfully unaware that the majority of your actions, words and feelings aren't truly that of your own.
Whether I read something related to the matter or not, I have developed my own understanding. I have recognized what is actually going on; with that understanding I and anyone else have the ability to completely transform who they are told they are into the true self.
Recs just look into the pineal gland.
|
Puzzles
07.11.12 | BirthRite is trolling, right? |
Ninjask
07.11.12 | no |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | A wild ninjask appeared |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | hard to tell Puzz, 970 comments is a ton of trolling though. |
Relinquished
07.11.12 | no gods no masters |
Dashy
07.11.12 | Jesus is a cunt. Hail Satan. |
Masochist
07.11.12 | I know there are a few people who actually care about religion on this site, myself included. I'm a Christian who has a lot of faith in my religion but little faith in the church. I don't give two shits on how people say I should practice my beliefs, and what I should or shouldn't do to show that I am Christian. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down people's throats. And I ESPECIALLY don't hate you, look down on you, or think you're beneath me in any way simply because you don't believe what I believe.
Being a Christian, however, has shaped the way I act and my personality. I do the things I do because I want to follow Jesus's example...or try, anyways. I believe in God. I believe in Heaven and Hell...ect.
So yeah...there's at least one person here who cares about religion. And I don't care if you do or not--just respect my beliefs, and I'll respect yours, and we'll get along perfectly fine. |
Ninjask
07.11.12 | "A wild ninjask appeared"
Used Agility to get away from thread. |
andcas
07.11.12 | why religion is gay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxDEBOi0F3o |
Kris.
07.11.12 | "And I don't care if you do or not--just respect my beliefs, and I'll respect yours, and we'll get along perfectly fine."
i always hear christians say things like that and then i'll see something like this
http://p.twimg.com/AxcO1LeCIAIbw1J.jpg
christians are uppity self-righteous cunts |
Satellite
07.11.12 | my favorite thing to do is tell christians that jesus died for his own sins, not mine. the face they make is pure gold. |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | hahhah wtf was that andcas haha |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104274/what-scientologist-actually-believe |
Kris.
07.11.12 | doesnt matter fawcksy i lump all christians together because they all want to emulate jesus or some shit so i assume they all have the same mindset |
andcas
07.11.12 | "hahhah wtf was that andcas haha" a reason to not believe in god? |
lucasjcockcroft
07.11.12 | i go to church every so often and believe in certain parts of Christianity but i don't really care.
but like ughchris said, a lot of Christians believe that everything they say is correct, and there is people like him who do the same thing. |
eternium
07.11.12 | BIBLE MAN |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | fucking hilarious |
Masochist
07.11.12 | "christians are uppity self-righteous cunts"
Don't lump us together as though all 2 billion of us are the same--you, Kris, should know me better than that. I don't bother with the propaganda. I don't bother with people who use Christianity as a badge of pride. I don't think either one is right.
And don't think there aren't uppity self-righteous atheists, Mormons, Muslims, etc. as well. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | "but like ughchris said, a lot of Christians believe that everything they say is correct, and there is people like him who do the same thing."
cant even spell my name right are you really that retarded |
lucasjcockcroft
07.11.12 | yeah, that wasn't on purpose at all. so i am that retarded |
Ninjask
07.11.12 | "Don't lump us together as though all 2 billion of us are the same--you, Kris, should know me better than that. I don't bother with the propaganda. I don't bother with people who use Christianity as a badge of pride. I don't think either one is right.
And don't think there aren't uppity self-righteous atheists, Mormons, Muslims, etc. as well."
He was obviously be facetious, wow. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | my bad mas, just tryina get a point across
i mean i dont have a problem with living life how you want, its just when you try to shove that upon someone else is when i start getting pissy
i live in kansas man i hope you understand |
Satellite
07.11.12 | lolz i'm following u now ^_^ |
Kris.
07.11.12 | ugh cole dont be like this bro |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | "i live in kansas man i hope you understand"
yeah give him a break that's the bible belt, i can't even imagine |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Man am I glad I live in L.A. where people mind their own damn business |
eternium
07.11.12 | All people have the potential to be assholes no matter the race, religion, sex, etc. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Yes I'm serious, and don't call me shirley
|
MuhNamesTyler
07.11.12 | "why religion is gay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxDEBOi0F3o"
Video is just pathetic |
eternium
07.11.12 | "yeah give him a break that's the bible belt, i can't even imagine"
Kansas isn't in the Bible Belt. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | it might as well be
you try livin here |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | It's the most anti-intelligence state though |
Ninjask
07.11.12 | "Kansas isn't in the Bible Belt."
may as well be
"It's the most anti-intelligence state though"
Alabama is the worst. |
guitarnater
07.11.12 | http://www.facebook.com/groups/166543093383432/ |
eternium
07.11.12 | Mississippi is the worst everything.
But seriously, north Georgia is terrible and probably worse than Kansas except stuff actually happens in Atlanta. |
Masochist
07.11.12 | "i mean i dont have a problem with living life how you want, its just when you try to shove that upon someone else is when i start getting pissy
i live in kansas man i hope you understand"
I do. I feel the same way when people lump all Christians together to fit that "bible-thumping" stereotype.
...That sounds like a sarcastic side-shot, but it's not meant to be. That's something that really gets to me, because I try my hardest NOT to be like that. And I promise, I'm not the only one. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | hey eternium ill take yer mississippi and raise you a westboro baptist church |
Masochist
07.11.12 | Bible belt? Try Texas...especially East Texas, holy shit. |
lucasjcockcroft
07.11.12 | i'm so glad other peoples views don't bother me, and the major religious practice of my state doesn't make me hateful of other people. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | hey at least none of us are scientologists lolol |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | dude around here in California you can be black and not get looked at weird!
And people are almost tolerant of the gays, it's pretty sweet |
LifeAsAChipmunk
07.11.12 | "westboro baptist church"
Those guys came around to legally harass my school so some of people actually skipped and retaliated (not physically, obviously). One of my friends went up to them and made out with her girlfriend in front of them. The look on their faces was priceless. |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | "Kansas isn't in the Bible Belt."
depends on who you talk to clearly
|
eternium
07.11.12 | Westboro is just like fifty people tho. |
Calc
07.11.12 | i wish i could walk around and not get looked at weird... |
Kris.
07.11.12 | that make national news all the time because they're horrible people who do horrible things because their god told them to
you can't beat me on this one man |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | I'm a largely secular, loose mahayana Buddhist. I care very deeply for religion. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Cats. |
Masochist
07.11.12 | "that make national news all the time because they're horrible people who do horrible things because [insert reason here]"
Fix'd. They'd do it anyways, doesn't matter the justification. They get media coverage because of the signs and slogans they make, and because they push the boundaries of legality without crossing it. As of late, however, they've become a bit of a parody of themselves--the main reason they do what they do nowadays, IMO, is to keep the media fed. |
eternium
07.11.12 | They're still only fifty people. The KKK is much more numerous though honestly aren't as bad since they don't picket funerals. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Yo, that shit is shown on TV as a way to desensitize. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | the kkk is still around? O_O |
Masochist
07.11.12 | Though I will say that this statement...
"that make national news all the time because they're horrible people who do horrible things because their god told them to"
...applies far too often to far too many people in today's world. |
eternium
07.11.12 | http://kkk.bz/ |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | @TheDjehuty: You're simply following a less mainstream belief system. The cutting edge of "free will" or whatnot. What you were taught to believe is (in theory) no different from any religion. All of this stuff you're saying is regurgitated information that you've been exposed to. Same as quoting scripture (in theory). Everyone is influenced by others. Everyone has free will. A Christian must come to their own understanding in their lives and have a desire to repent before they can accept Christ and move forward as a Christian.
"The KKK is much more numerous though honestly aren't as bad since they don't picket funerals."
Uh, I'm pretty sure the KKK has actually killed people themselves so that's kind of a little worse than disrupting a funeral. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | woa |
Kris.
07.11.12 | americas white future looks like a late 90s website adn it scares me |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I don't have a set belief system. You're wrong. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "Uh, I'm pretty sure the KKK has actually killed people themselves so that's kind of a little worse than disrupting a funeral."
I'm talking about in modern times. |
benkim
07.11.12 | I am a staunch Christian but I don't follow religion. Christianity is NOT a religion. I don't go to church any more as I have seen nowadays there are just a place of people who want to take money from guys who want answers to life and solutions to their lives problems. They never get that, all they get is comfort in those problems. |
Emim
07.11.12 | yay another one of these lists |
Kris.
07.11.12 | "Christianity is NOT a religion."
uhhhhhhhh |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | wut |
Ire
07.11.12 | i believe in hippie god, but when you don't believe gays, dinosaurs and the retarded go to hell, you realize he doesn't really do anything.
my friend put it that way, i thought it was pretty funny. hippie god is cool tho. |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | It seems like modern belief has developed a serious dichotomy. You're either vehemently for or vehemently in opposition to Christianity and I don't know which is worse. Most atheists bash all theistic religions and in doing so make that a religion in itself. All I hear from non-religious people is anti-religious hatred. Why can't people get past the fact that the downfalls and blemishes in the world of religion aren't caused by religion itself, they're caused by misguided people's false interpretations of generally noble and valiant teachings. Yes, there are ignorant people who make ignorant religious mistakes, but don't let that be all you believe in. There's a difference between atheism and anti-Christianity. |
East Hastings
07.11.12 | hippie god fukcd my b |
Emim
07.11.12 | "Christianity is NOT a religion."
i understand what you mean, dude. don't worry |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | He's right, Christianity really isn't a religion. In the same way that Buddhism isn't really a religion. |
East Hastings
07.11.12 | whats buddhism? |
Kris.
07.11.12 | according to wikipedia, encyclopedia britannica, and literally every place on the web (trust me i did heavy research after this silly comment was made), i can indeed confirm that christianity is a religion |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | Living in Georgia fucking sucks there are churches fucking everywhere and cars with those fish fucking everywhere and Jesus saves signs fucking everywhere.
And yeah the KKK is still around. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | "Living in Georgia fucking sucks there are churches fucking everywhere and cars with those fish fucking everywhere and Jesus saves signs fucking everywhere."
thats how it is here too
there are churches fucking EVERYWHERE
there was one in a strip mall down the street
got turned into a liquor store |
Ire
07.11.12 | hippie god is too busy collecting old flaming lips vinyl to help u out with ur problem sorry africa LOL |
Kris.
07.11.12 | dude u wanna buy this flaming lips record i have ill sell it to you for some weed |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | satan is my master so no |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | I know man people will turn anything into a fuckin church. |
eternium
07.11.12 | In town we have a bar next to a Red Cross next to a shooting range next to a church all in one strip mall. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | touche eternium
touche |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | What can any type of writing or publication tell you about a complicated philosophical system? I think the term religion is misinterpreted and is highly subjective. A religion to you may be following strictly every word in the Bible, and to me it may be simply being morally upstanding. I suppose what I meant was that with the word religion, things like churches, holy texts, prayer, and clergy come to mind, when really those things have nothing to do with a belief system at it's core. |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | And Buddhism is even more complicated.....the simplest way to put it is that it is a means to finding happiness that is contingent upon nothing. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "What can any type of writing or publication tell you about a complicated philosophical system?"
What can a dictionary tell you about words? It's too complicated to comprehend. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | ................what
religion isn't misinterpreted
religion is religion. a system of beliefs.
you cant be like BIKE TO ME MEANS PLANE
the word has a fucking meaning and has since like
fucking forever |
Kris.
07.11.12 | youre trying way too hard to sound like youre deep and smart and shit im sorry but its true |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | That's what I'm trying to get at. Religion isn't just books and prayer. It's a spiritual experience that can't really be written or quantified. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | so then how isn't christianity a religion? |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | spirituality is for idiots who dont live in reality |
andcas
07.11.12 | "Uh, I'm pretty sure the KKK has actually killed people themselves so that's kind of a little worse than disrupting a funeral"
you should pay dearly for either one. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | That sounds like every other city in Georgia hahaha. |
eternium
07.11.12 | That's still religion. I consider spirituality to be religion minus the structure of churches and shit but Christianity by definition is still a religion. To say it isn't is being in denial. You can be a spiritual Christian but you still follow a religion that is defined by its structure. |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | A bike or a plane is a physical object that must have a name. Whereas religion is spiritual and supernatural. The word does have a meaning yes, but that meaning has been disputed for as long as the word has existed. |
sixdegrees
07.11.12 | when did birthrite start thinking he was the prophet of sputnik? |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | "so then how isn't christianity a religion?" They're trolling you pretty bad, man.
"In town we have a bar next to a Red Cross next to a shooting range next to a church all in one strip mall." Sounds about right. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | here ill give you the definition of religion
Religion: noun : a set of beliefs that someone else told you to believe because you are too fucking dumb to make up your own mind and they know youll just eat that shit up because you are an idiot and they need slaves to do shit for them |
andcas
07.11.12 | "when did birthrite start thinking he was the prophet of sputnik?" male kimm. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | its just that cunt systemunfolded on another alt how have you not got this yet |
Ire
07.11.12 | if satan is ur master than u believe in a religion u dumb faggot |
sixdegrees
07.11.12 | he kind of scares me, tbh. |
Calc
07.11.12 | i ripped a huge hole in his logic earlier today and he ended up ignoring it cuz he had no good answer lol but yeah i hope it stops soon cuz these religious talks are boring |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | no satan is about freedom man and livin life and not givin a fuck |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | but he doesn't exist |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | I dunno, I think this is something that can never really have any defined truth, ya know? I've just always had issues with the word religion, It's so subjective and personal that it becomes meaningless is what I'm trying to say and probably only exists as an umbrella term. I honestly don't think that there's any two people on Earth with the exact same set of beliefs, so it's just easier to call similar beliefs a "religion". |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | i am satan and you are satan and freedom is satan |
Calc
07.11.12 | so hyperion believes in a character of a religion he doesnt believe in? mindfuked... |
benkim
07.11.12 | If you have ever taken time to read the bible on your own rather than totally dismissing everything that is in it, you will come to realize that Christianity is way more than a system of beliefs, of not doing wrong and doing right, of avoiding going to hell and trying to go to heaven, going to church on Sunday and all that other stuff that you may associate Christianity with. Christianity is WAY WAY more than just that.
I consider myself a spiritual Christian rather than a religious Christian as I remember when I was the latter I lived a mere passive existence trying to live up to other people's dogma and rules in order to avoid going to hell. I was about to walk away from the whole thing until I came to realize that was not really going to help anything. Thank God for that, literally LOL |
Calc
07.11.12 | deep, mankind has come up with THE definition of religion I don't see why your making it all complicated.. |
benkim
07.11.12 | Avoid UhhKris or "worse" pray for him. I have met a lot of guys like him and they is no way you can talk to him to see any other perspective other than the one that he has. |
eternium
07.11.12 | If you have ever taken time to read the bible on your own you would realize how horrible the morals in that book are. |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | That's a good explanation benkim. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | satan or hades or shiva or fuckin angra mainyu who gives a fuck man all the same thing |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | @benkim: It's not a religion, it's a relationship! Amirite?
Come on, man. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | yes please pray for me i fear for my eternal souuulllhdfiahdfjsalf |
Calc
07.11.12 | why does freedom have to correlate with the bad guy of a religion? |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | I agree that King David saw another man's wife take a bath and had him killed so he could fuck her that shit was so cash. |
Ire
07.11.12 | stan my master |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | This is probably the most complicated, touchy subject on our fucking planet. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | only stan is real |
Kris.
07.11.12 | ire write bibles not torahs |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | @benkim wtf avoid him?? Pray for him? Don't play the closed-minded card. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "I promise every living creature that the earth and those living on it will never again be destroyed by a flood."
God realizes he made a dick move. Now Christians don't believe in rising sea levels even though the sea is rising. |
benkim
07.11.12 | @ AsoTamaki
Yeah, it is a relationship between you and God and for me it extends to between me and fellow mankind.
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Calc
07.11.12 | I'm christian and I believe in it!! |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | Im stans dad. It sucks let me out help me. |
Kris.
07.11.12 | "it extends to between me and fellow mankind. "
oh but except for atheists THEYRE EVIL |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | god is a dick |
Calc
07.11.12 | ^oo big boy lol
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ShadowRemains
07.11.12 | fuck organized religion |
Keyblade
07.11.12 | "you cant be like BIKE TO ME MEANS PLANE"
why can't you? tons of crazy people in this world man. |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | @benkim: Agreed, man. However, you're still following God's Word as it was written in the Bible. Therefore, it is a religion as defined by man. Unless you're following something else? Religion isn't a negative thing. |
benkim
07.11.12 | @ deepintheorchard
Believe me I am the least closed minded guy you will meet. It is just that all the atheists who argue against religion/Christianity usually have their mind made up. I actually meant to write ignore not avoid so that may have been a little misunderstood.
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Kris.
07.11.12 | how are you open minded
your mind is made up on christanity
it just makes you a hypocrite
at least i was raised christian and decided for myself not to be christian anymore |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | my parents raised me not to be an idiot so naturally i cant be a christian |
Ire
07.11.12 | hey look at kris the college atheist isnt he cool |
benkim
07.11.12 | oh but except for atheists THEYRE EVIL
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Atheists are NOT evil, in fact far from it. Other Christians are usually not happy when I say this but I actually don't believe you need to be a Christian to be a "good" person. I have met a lot of atheists that are actually people of exceptional characters and help the society and what not.
There are evil atheists but there are also evil Christians if you get what I mean.
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Kris.
07.11.12 | dude im in a frat too im the very essence of kool |
Calc
07.11.12 | every atheist ive ever met was a fuking cunt |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | The dumbest shit happens on the innernet sometimes. |
benkim
07.11.12 | @benkim: Agreed, man. However, you're still following God's Word as it was written in the Bible. Therefore, it is a religion as defined by man. Unless you're following something else? Religion isn't a negative thing.
**************
You could say that, but the way it has been used in the world it certainly has its major flaws. It can and is being used to manipulate and control people that's for sure. |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | I'm of the belief that we're all born as blank slates. There are no preconceived notions about race, gender, etc., all of that is learned. Without religion in place, who's to say we wouldn't be morally corrupt? Sure we have freedom of choice, and each of us is different, but we're all taught the same values (depending on culture).
benkim: atheists are obviously not 'evil,' but my problem with many of them is that they're so aggressive about it. To a point, their constant preaching against religion and general animosity makes them seem like they're a part of what they claim to hate. Another thing I can't stand are the atheists who are 'science advocates' as I've come to know them. The people who say shit like, "religion is bullshit, science is the way". I've never understand the correlation between christ and science. Both should be studied, but they're not mutually exclusive. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | yeah christ is bullshit there are more than one prophet why should one be the right one |
Masochist
07.11.12 | "To a point, their constant preaching against religion and general animosity makes them seem like they're a part of what they claim to hate."
As an aside to your point, here's one thing I've come to find about those who argue against a higher power--a few of them (the minority, but the minority who make themselves vocal) look down on me for what I believe, and I can't respect them, because they themselves have an issue with being looked down upon for what they DON'T believe.
I've come to find that I actually really enjoy discussions about religion with non-religious people that are started as simply that--discussions about religion. Not arguments on why I shouldn't believe in God or what atrocities people commit in the name of religion, but rather the nature of faith and belief in society and people's lives, and how it can enhance or hinder them, and why they've chosen not to follow it.
I've also found that if people's argument against religion has anything to do with the people who follow it, it's pretty invalid. |
eyehategod
07.11.12 | wow |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | religion is man made |
lucasjcockcroft
07.11.12 | holy fuck, this is still happening
oh wait this shit causes wars.... |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Budhism is alright (and still...), all the other religions are terrible and illogic beliefs of an Invisible man in the sky (in
general) ,usually controlled by so-called preachers of peace who have caused nothing but war,greed and intolerance , but
if we are strictly talking about religion in itself , it's not that great either since it divides people for absurd reasons , look
at this whole debate , would it occur if religions ever existed ? |
Masochist
07.11.12 | "look at this whole debate , would it occur if religions ever existed ?"
Of course it would. It wouldn't be about religion, obviously, but we find the most ridiculous things to debate about anyways. |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | Masochist: you echo my sentiments, dude. I love discussing theology with those who approach it with
an open mind. Unfortunately some of my friends have that 'the bible is a fairy-tale and people who
believe in that are fucking stupid' kind of attitude. Thing is, scholarly atheists - many of their
idols, in fact - would likely laugh at them for being so juvenile and ignorant about it. Many
atheists I've met claim they don't even need to know anything about theology to know that it's all
bullshit, which is patently false. Religion and politics are two things that cannot be argued, but
they can certainly be discussed, and knowledge of that which you support is just as important as
knowledge of that which you oppose, if you ask me. I myself would say I'm agnostic, if anything, but
I'm always receptive to discussing and learning more about these things.
"or what atrocities people commit in the name of religion,"
This is another thing that bothers me. This is a people problem, not a problem with religion. People
will always commit atrocities in the name of... well, whatever. It's easy to pin the blame on the
religion itself rather than the person's mental health.
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Tyrael
07.11.12 | The only issue I have with religion is that people are using it as an excuse to to horrible things
but then again people are just horrible in general so I guess it doesn't matter that much |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | good point gyromania , but technically it's religion that gives these madmen the power to control since it permits them to abuse people's beliefs by disguising themselves as the new messias ; I can't see why we cannot blame religion and the future despots altogether... |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | blaming only these madmen is also too easy , they didn't come to power by clapping their hands , they came to power by
abusing the hope of the followers , it would still occur without religion but it would certainly be harder... |
NightProwler
07.11.12 | Not gonna read the other posts, but yeah, I'm a Christian - not the "THAT'S BLASPHEMY!!!"-type, but just regularly. But I drink, smoke weed, have sex, etc. so... |
Tyrael
07.11.12 | Elmo, people elected the nazis and it had nothing to do with religion bro |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | mr. elmo you are in fact using the term illogical incorrectly. believeing in god is completely logical actually, since the believer is trying to make logical an occurence that has not yet been deemed "logical" by scientists, and that is the creation of the universe. believing in god is no more or less logical than believing in the big bang both have not been proven or disproven and are logical explanations.
"So the question remains of what we actually can and should call illogical? Well, for something to be illogical, it must not only not follow our current logical structure but also be something that should not have happened or something we could not even imagine happening. So what fits into this? I can only think of two things.
1. Time itself.
2. The creation of the universe."
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Gyromania
07.11.12 | MrElmo: I get where you're coming from, but that's really just based on the natural charisma of a
person and their ability to control a room. It's manipulation, really, and yeah, many of them use
religion as a guiding tool to help reel in their followers, but it's more a classic example of the
strong controlling the weak imo. There are so many other motivating forces that keep people corrupt:
money, weapons, power, sex, acceptance, love, etc. |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | tyraelxy: wasn't speaking about the nazi's , hitler himself wanted to replace god since he saw it as an opponent .
Fourth reich: very interesting take on logic. but as Voltaire said in "L'ingénu" why would a truth as universal as the existence of god be hidden away from men , if It existed it would as bright as the sun and true as 1+1=2. |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | Yeah, MrElmo is right about what he says of Hitler. Off on a little tangent here: I think Hitler actually did a lot of good, despite being a cruel, cold, loathsome son of a bitch at his core. On a related note: Voltaire can suck it. |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Gyromania : glad we can have a discussion but I would just like to know what could be the use of religion , any educational system built by mankind could teach us the values of peace ,tolerance and respect , therefore , what is the use of religion in such a case ? |
andcas
07.11.12 | can you make it through these and still believe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6JkC7eZ8A8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDzqwdDp3E0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb4l2RnXOPo |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | well gyromania I can't see the good things hitler did , his employement policies basicly forcefully enroled and exploited the unemployed , his social policies where not respected , his first police force called the SA pointed his failures and were all executed during the night of 29 june 1934 . what did he do well . Also it's not voltaire who directly said the phrase but l'ingenu , an indian who came to europe and was speaking to a jansenite , voltaire strictly reports the words of the indian. |
KILL
07.11.12 | god is real god is great fuckin god rules |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Humm..............thanks andcas. |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | Mr.Elmo: Yes, and of course there are many, many, MANY non-catholic schools that teach us very important ideals, as well as our parents and such. Thing is, I believe those ideals are ingrained in our culture via religious teachings. Surely people wouldn't be opposed to others learning morals through religious teachings, I mean, why would they? And at the end of the day, despite what you or I may ultimately believe, isn't it nice to have a little bit of faith? To think there's something out there, maybe? Faith in general is a good thing to have, in my opinion.
I think the reason why a lot of people cite others killing or what have you in the name of religion is because it also ties into how the law works. A crime for the sake of it would surely be met with a greater penalty and less acceptance than a crazy person saying the lord told them to do it. |
KILL
07.11.12 | so many hell bound bitches in this thread did you ever think of your ass? |
BassPlaya008
07.11.12 | Completely disregarding the topic.. 4 m/ |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | I mean, I get that there are some fucked up religious ideologies out there, but I'm not so much talking about those. |
Tyrael
07.11.12 | 'isn't it nice to have a little bit of faith?'
I'd love to have some faith but humanity has made me lose all my faith a long time ago |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Well actually no ,I'me affraid faith is a waist of time for me, when you die, you die and that's it. nobody is going to help you if you call him , no invisible man in the sky, It's just a loss of useful time to have faith , why spend your time hoping and praying when you could actually do something to make the world better before you turn to smithereens? So on this note I'me affraid I don't like faith ,for it is a loss of what could be constructive time . about the law and religion , I have never seen a man get a smaller emprisonnement by simply saying god told me to..... |
KILL
07.11.12 | i will choose a path thats clear |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | "what did he do well"
Well, he made the autobahn system, saved Germany from unemployment and financial catastrophe, was a part of the world's first research linking cigarettes to cancer, wrote the first law for animal rights, founded the volskwagen, instituted the kindergarten system, and he was instrumental in the development of Germany in general. Before he came to power Germany was a fucking mess. In his rule, he invested heavily in German infrastructures (many of which are still used today), unified the people, and spent money well, as well as funded trauma research. Unfortunately a lot of atrocities were committed to the Jewish people in his regime, and I'm not ignoring that (among many other things), but he still did good as well. |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Tyraelxy : well I'me actually a bit of a humanist and absurdist , for me the human being is like a giant capable of creating and thinking, in the end man will inevetably cause it's ridiculous destruction ,that's for sure but we as humans must give pleasure not only for us but also to the others and make sure life get's interesting and pleasant throught art and creativity before it blows in a bang |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | MrElmo: Pardon my catty-ness here, but isn't this whole thread a waste of 'what could be constructive time'. I find it very telling that many people would say such a thing while ignoring the fact that many monumental contributions in the science world, and in literature were from devoutly religious people. Also, there is absolutely no way to affirm that when you die there's nothing after it.
"I have never seen a man get a smaller emprisonnement by simply saying god told me to....."
Well, it depends on the crime, guy's lawyer, etc., and trials are usually pretty long.
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MrElmo
07.11.12 | he did not save from unemployement , the salaries for his forced employement weren't enough to feed , the kindergarten system (also called hitlerien youths) were a massive propaganda system to control the young , before he came to power germany had a young government who just came out the 1st world war , it deserves credit for actually stopping the country from total collapsing ,wolksvagen isn't relevant , plus he didn't only massacre jewish , the said trauma centers were a cover , since he also killed the gay , the handicaped and the people with different political beliefs as well as the gipsy community |
Aids
07.11.12 | hey look a massive thread filled with massive tl;dr posts about religion!
neat! |
Gyromania
07.11.12 | Anyhow, this conversation has gone where I cannot follow. Could go back-and-forth all day. auf Wiedersehen |
fish.
07.11.12 | I fucking hate discussions on religion. There's no way anyone can get their point across even if it's sensible |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Yes ,I am wasting my time because I don't believe myself in humanity , I aknowledge it's power and importance but in the end all human actions are devoid of use and are ultimetlly absurd , we might as well spend the time we have on earth enjoying ourselves and give joy to our neighbour, althought anybody can quit this thread and make constructive time but I don't personally care; as for art ,science in literature it was cultural back then , every single thinking being had a religion , then when the century of lights (sooner for some like Rabelais) came along people started up thinking differently of the church and emancipated themselves to acquire freedom in their art. |
fish.
07.11.12 | "hey look a massive thread filled with massive tl;dr posts about religion!
neat!"
also that |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | anarchistfish: yep I agree , always pissed me off to write on the internet , plus the truth is that these kinds of debates don't have much use since nobody will change his mind in the end . Oh well I'll just go back and play MGS3 with a cup of tea now |
FourthReich
07.11.12 | mr elmo why would i waste my time trying to make the world a better place? it that the purpose of existence? i have no faith nor hope that it will ever improve or me doing anything will make it imporve so instead i do nothing because nothing is intended for me in life or death. when did you die by the way because it seems like you know an awful lot about death? |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | Yes it is the purpose of existence that people improve the world around them, except neither you , neither me are going
to do that , all we are going to do is try having a good time in this life , I died when I discovered our history. Since then i
just want to have pleasure , what about you? |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | By the way fourthreich , you should read books from these authors :Albert Camus , Eugene Ionesco and Samuel Beckett , I loved them and I think you will too. |
LoneWanderer
07.11.12 | I'm planning on starting a religion...I don't know if that counts as a believer...but yeah...need the dough. |
MrElmo
07.11.12 | just wait in front of a justin bieber concert , those dumb kids will buy anything.... |
benkim
07.11.12 | mr elmo why would i waste my time trying to make the world a better place?
Maybe you are unlike me who has idealism so hardwired and is such a big part of me that there is no way I can just say I will live a life of pleasuring myself(LOL) and thats it! Trust me I tried once, when I had lost faith in humanity but that only made me sink into some serious angst. A hedonistic lifestyle is just not for me. |
LoneWanderer
07.11.12 | Thanks MrElmo...A successful business blueprint... |
Wolfhorde
07.11.12 | to say it in the words of the wise young reezy: niggah that's gay. |
omnipanzer
07.11.12 | I strenuously object to organised religion and the bible being used as a brainwashing mechanism.
I also feel strongly about peoples rights to being spiritual.
I also feel strongly about not being told about someone else's spirituality.
Other than that I don't care at all. |
Wolfhorde
07.11.12 | "I also feel strongly about not being told about someone else's spirituality."
You mean people shoving their religion down other people's throats? |
omnipanzer
07.11.12 | Tomato Tomäto |
rockandmetaljunkie
07.11.12 | nope... |
Wolfhorde
07.11.12 | "Tomato Tomäto"
Just translated it into 'normal' English. |
omnipanzer
07.11.12 | It's a common american phrase, i.e. you say it one way and I say it another but it amounts to the same thing.
or:
"You mean people shoving their religion down other people's throats?"
Yes |
omnipanzer
07.11.12 | Here Wolfy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_Call_the_Whole_Thing_Off |
PurpleDino
07.11.12 | hedonism and rationalism ftw |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | you all suck |
omnipanzer
07.11.12 | I'll yank your dudel for yah. |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | you suck the most |
Colliiiin
07.11.12 | Religion is funny, people who get into arguing about it on a music site are even funnier, and Birthrite is da best trollz evar.
There is no god, there is no existence, everything is how you perceive it to be. |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | Everything is merely an illusion appearing within awareness.
Know thyself.
Boom. |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | Glad to know we are all on the same page. |
Tikicobra
07.11.12 | I'm a Christian but I don't talk about it here because it would be pointless. |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | ^ You dont talk about it because you know you cant defend it without pointing to a book written by sheep herders 100 years after the fact and altered over time by ruling interests perhaps? |
Recspecs
07.11.12 | AKA The Lord of the Rings gone wild. |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | Gandalf is my god |
omnipanzer
07.11.12 | Yankee, mix'in it up... with no-one. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | As I mentioned before, I will make attempts to reply to some of you and I wasn't expecting so many responses to this so I will do it in portions; perhaps over a span of time. The first will be first. |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | This isnt your thread STOOPIT so SHUTTY |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "I'm a catholic but I honestly don't care about religion anymore. I believe there's a god but I don't believe in the way people choose to worship their god."
Well the problem here is that people are worshiping their God based on what their church leader tells them to or other individuals. This is the problem. From what I've seen time and time again, the "Bible" is what is being ignored and people forget that the "Bible" is the source of instruction, not man, no matter how important that man may claim he/she is. This is why many churches preach about Hellfire, The Trinity, and the Immortal Soul which are all false amongst many other things. |
Colliiiin
07.11.12 | Religion is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality and can easily just be an "enforced reality". I dont know when people started to decide what is 100% real and right for everybody, but they definitely fucked up bad. |
Colliiiin
07.11.12 | Did you forget that man wrote the bible? |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "yes i do but i'm not a douche about it. i learned a loooong ass time ago that no one absolutely no one in the real world wants to hear about your religion so keep it to yourself. "
The term "religion" is such a mis-construed term/word. Is not religion a belief, and what an individual may practice? So whether you're part of this religion or that, or an atheist or agnostic, either way it is YOUR "belief". And whether you takling about life or your thoughts on music you are sharing or asking for another person's beliefs. So in essence you're saying that you don't care to reason with others so as to understand their viewpoints as if your viewpoints are all that matters. In fact, you are expressing the opposite of humility. The humble person will be open to discussion because the humble person sees/considers himself as inferior to others which is what the Bible encourages/commands all Christians to be. Recognize what you are actually saying and rethink your viewpoints on life FourthReich. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "personally idgaf"
This attitude is completely un-scriptural, so never claim that you learned that from the Bible. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | lol what the fuck do we have here |
Calc
07.11.12 | NOT AGAIN!!!!!!! |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | "The humble person will be open to discussion because the humble person sees/considers himself as inferior to others which is what the Bible encourages/commands all Christians to be"
all the more reason christianity is a religion for the weak and pathetic. |
ThisIsMyAlt
07.11.12 | "all the more reason christianity is a religion for the weak and pathetic."
Funny, I know plenty of Christians that would make you cry like a prepubescent girl just with their words. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | whoa bro, they must be tough |
ThisIsMyAlt
07.11.12 | Well he was a drill Sergeant back in the day. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | oh, so hes a blind patriot as well. that explains his mindless servitude to a false god. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "I am a Christian but this is the internet so why talk about something that no one wants to talk about"
Do not be self-assuming. Sow your seed, for you do not know where it will have success.[Ecclesiases 11:6]
" Even atheists (especially those in-your-face aggressive types) should care about religion, otherwise they wouldn't know how to formulate opinions to go against it."
This is true.
"no, I'm a leader not a follower"
you cannot lead until you've followed, man was not created with memory, everything was learned with the ability to follow
"Organized religion was created as a way to enslave. What one should actually care about is the spiritual journey. Your soul exists and your purpose is to fulfill specific lessons throughout this life time; to progress."
This is actually true. But we all slaves whether we like it or not. We are either slaves to God or slaves to Satan or slaves to life or slaves to death. There is no man alive who is slave to nothing. The spiritual[another mis-construed word] journey is important because it shows a person's heart condition which is ultimately what is important to God because anyone can claim anything but God can read hearts[Jeremiah 17:10] that is why he is the Judge and not man. And yes progress is important, to not progress is to de-progress. |
ThisIsMyAlt
07.11.12 | "oh, so hes a blind patriot as well. that explains his mindless servitude to a false god."
And you're mindless servitude to what everyone around you thinks. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | "And you're mindless servitude to what everyone around you thinks."
ironic that you should bring that up in defense of a christian drill sergeant. i grew up in a strictly christian home. your theory fails. also, its been more than 2000 years since christianity surfaced and not one person has been able to come up with solid evidence that god exists. i think that speaks for itself. there is no god, and youre just scared, weak children looking for some comfort. fucking cowards. |
YankeeDudel
07.11.12 | Hitler you got banned again huh |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "Spirituality ties a whole lot to psychology, the more you learn about yourself; the more you will learn about others, become aware, tolerant and enlightened."
Do you not know that you are qouting scripture right here? Luke 6:42 "How, can you say to your brother, 'Brother, allow me to extract the straw that is in your eye,' while you yourself are not looking at the rafter in that eye of yours? Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw that is in your brother's eye."
"Religion is a facade intended to pull you away from discovering who you really are. It has created a crutch to fall on and implanted a fear in many to stay in line and follow along. The majority of us are born knowing wrong from right and you're nurtured into your beliefs and moral values."
what credibility do you have to call a belief a "facade"? As fear do you not know that the Bible says to fear God? This is not a morbid fear, it is a respectful fear, a reverential fear, or a fear of displeasing him. This is a healthy fear just as the fear that keeps you from jumping off a cliff safeguards you from harm. We all have our conscience as to what we "percieve" as being right and wrong but the Bible says that according to God's standards[as laid out in the bible], only God can decree what he says is right and wrong for humankind. According to the Bible this is what really matters.
"You are a piece of everything around you, the sooner you realize that; the better. "
Well the bible does say we are made of dust so again you are partially qouting scripture. |
ILJ
07.11.12 | How am I just now seeing this thread?
Eh, I care about religion but only to a small degree. I just try to respect others' opinions, so long as they are well informed, not arrogant about their beliefs, and don't treat others that don't share their beliefs as inferiors.
As for myself, I am agnostic. |
fish.
07.11.12 | "^ You dont talk about it because you know you cant defend it without pointing to a book written by sheep herders 100 years after the fact and altered over time by ruling interests perhaps?"
Ironic when people complain about others always going on about their religion |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | thats not irony because its expected. its hypocrisy. |
ThisIsMyAlt
07.11.12 | "ironic that you should bring that up in defense of a christian drill sergeant. i grew up in a strictly christian home. your theory fails. also, its been more than 2000 years since christianity surfaced and not one person has been able to come up with solid evidence that god exists. i think that speaks for itself. there is no god, and youre just scared, weak children looking for some comfort. fucking cowards."
Funny that nobody's ever been able to disprove God either, right? So that argument once again falls flat. And you're obviously terrified that there's something bigger than you in this universe that you can't disprove, so no, in fact you are the coward. You bringing in bad evidence is as bad a bringing no evidence at all. |
wheremycountrylies
07.11.12 | god is gay and not real |
wheremycountrylies
07.11.12 | i mean for fucks sake hitchens already covered this can we stop now |
KSK1
07.11.12 | Listen to John Locke by Counterparts and there's my answer to this thread. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | "Funny that nobody's ever been able to disprove God either, right?"
wow, is this the first time youve ever debated about religion? i cant prove santa doesnt exist either, but we all know hes not real. |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | "And you're obviously terrified that there's something bigger than you in this universe that you can't disprove"
yeah, makes total sense. i would just hate knowing i have a god to watch over me and an afterlife to look forward to after i die. that just scares the shit out of me, who would want that?!! |
ShadowRemains
07.11.12 | of course birthrite comes in and turns this thread into a shitfest |
johnnydeking29
07.11.12 | list is not worth commenting on |
ILJ
07.11.12 | But it is worth watching people fruitlessly argue over ideas that cannot be changed through arguments. |
johnnydeking29
07.11.12 | Yes, no-ones beliefs will be changed by this list, people with just hate each other more |
ThisIsMyAlt
07.11.12 | No. I've debated many times before, and I always end up with idiots who make the exact same arguments. I'll sum up your next three arguments for you: 1. "The Bible is such a joke, everyone knows there's nothing true in it" 2. "So what if there is some historical relevance in the Bible that doesn't mean anything" 3. "Still you can't prove what did and didn't happen"
and here is what made you think all of the above:
1. There is this book called the Bible that was written a long time ago that teaches us many valuable lessons including one that tells us that there is something larger than us in existence.
2. Are you retarded, there is so much historical relevance in the Bible. example example example, there's no reason to believe it's not true.
3. The book was written with the sole purpose of educating those who could not witness what happened when it did, so instead we have thousands of manuscripts put into one relatively concise book that tells us how we got here and why we are here. |
ZedO
07.11.12 | love is my religion |
johnnydeking29
07.11.12 | Even if you despise Christianity because of the theological aspects, "sheep, ignorant, blind etc etc etc", I'd like to see anyone deny the value of its moral aspects |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | This list got really bad quickly. I think it's cute that someone made a new account just for this though. |
ThisIsMyAlt
07.11.12 | And you'll never guess who |
Maniac!
07.11.12 | I worship only Zuul. |
Ovrot
07.11.12 | anyone want to turntable? |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | the bible also has many historical inaccuracies and contradictions.
you act as if asking for proof is a bad thing. are you fucking stupid? do you just believe everything you hear without evidence?
as for me needing proof, i dont. proving god doesnt exist is impossible, just like its impossible to prove santa doesnt exist. "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." you cant just come up to people and say "god exists," and then when they ask for proof say "well you cant prove hes not real, so ha!" evidence, or go suck a dick. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "Yeah that's the part of religion I find to be the biggest bullshit
If you were born in a different part of the world you would be a different religion and you would be convinced that that religion is the right one and the other ones are shit"
It is true that many are born into certain religions and don't think twice about it but at the same time, there are also many who have stepped back and thought about where they are/where and have changed their beliefs after critical thinking. And yes many have the attitude where they believe their faith might be the correct one but it's noteworthy to see what the Bible says on the matter: Ephesians 4:5 - "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" and John 14:6 - ""Jesus said to him: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."" |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "I believe in a higher power/god of my understanding but organized religion is a joke."
Most religious organizations have produced bad fruitage. It is not the fact that groups are organized that is bad. But man have promoted forms of worship that are based on false teachings and are largely ritualistic instead of providing genuine spiritual guidance; they have been misused to control the lives of people for selfish objectives; they have been overly concerened with money collections and ornate houses of worhsip instead of spiritual values; their members are often hypocritical. Obviously no one who loves righteousnesss would want to belong to such an organization. But true religion is a frefershing contrast to all of that. Nevertheless, to fulfill the Bible's requirements, it must be organized. So share the scriptures without qouting them all, read
Hebrews 10:24,25/1Corinthians 1:10/1 Peter 2:17/and Matthew 24:14
In order for all nations to be given the oopportunity to hear that good news, the preachin must be carried out in an orderly way, with suitable oversight. Love for God and for one's fellowman has caused people around the earth to unite their efforts to do this work that the Bible commands. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "If you were born in nazi germany you would be a nazi
Freewill is pretty much nonexistent, life is a game of chance and circumstances
The fact that you exist is really unlikely, if your dad had blown his load like 5 seconds later you wouldn't exist"
So you're saying that if my father was a murderer than I would be too? Obviously anyone with reasoning would never come to such a foolish conclusion.
"yea i care about religion but id never force it on someone"
and neither would I, in fact, neither would God as he only wants people to serve him willingly from the heart. He has never forced anyone to serve him.
"My point is that all of your values and beliefs are bullshit and are mostly cultural which is purely coincidental and has nothing to do with free choice
Unless you're the religion that isn't the major religion where you're from or the religion of your parents then you probably chose it instead of it being given to you"
Again anyone with the ability to reason will find this comment very foolish indeed.
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Well I've went through about less than half the thread already so I will/may continue with the rest later as I've got to get back to work. If anyone has any personal questions, feel free to shoutbox me. |
PurpleDino
07.11.12 | BirthRite is funny |
Calc
07.11.12 | this thread is gonna break unofficial records for most hate thrown around on this site at once lol |
KjSwantko
07.11.12 | I'm a committed follower of Christ. I read the Bible, I do what it says. I leave out the holier-than-thou judging of others, pointless rituals, etc that many religious folk feel obligated to do. So I read, I pray, then I go thrash. |
lucasjcockcroft
07.11.12 | what are eye boogers made of? |
Turtlestlker
07.11.12 | Nope |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "i go to church every so often and believe in certain parts of Christianity but i don't really care."
You're not a Christian if you believe only certain parts because even Jesus believed and qouted parts from the Old Testament. Christians are not under the mosaic law but the Old Testament is really essential to see how God feels in his heart in regards to various situations amongst many other things.
"but like ughchris said, a lot of Christians believe that everything they say is correct, and there is people like him who do the same thing."
Any Christian who believes what they say is as being true is fooling themselves. Any christian who believes what God says through his word the Bible and refers to that as any source of words within proper context has done no wrong according to the Bible. Again, glory goes to God, it does not originate within man, in fact, anything that does not originate with God, originates with the Devil according to the Bible. |
ILJ
07.11.12 | Is anybody else tl;dring the fuck out of BirthRite? |
HitlerIsTheBest
07.11.12 | yeah, hes just spewing a bunch of dumb bible shit when its all completely irrelevant because no evidence |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "my favorite thing to do is tell christians that jesus died for his own sins, not mine. the face they make is pure gold."
I don't see how any true/educated Christians would be stumbled by this as what they should be taught according to the Bible is that Christ did die for everyones sins whether they wanted it or not. It's not a choice that individuals have but they do have the choice to make the ransom of Jesus invalid by ignoring God's laws and principles.
"I don't have a set belief system. You're wrong."
Choosing to not have a set belief system is a belief system.
"I am a staunch Christian but I don't follow religion. Christianity is NOT a religion. I don't go to church any more as I have seen nowadays there are just a place of people who want to take money from guys who want answers to life and solutions to their lives problems. They never get that, all they get is comfort in those problems. "
I don't blame because those places of the Devil are practicing non-scriptural things. Tithings are against the bible and yet many churches do it. The bible says you receive freely so give freely, but they use the word for selfish gain because even they should be giving freely. Why do you think Jesus overturned the money changers in the temple of God? Jesus was the lowliest of all mankind according to the Bible and yet you see these priest who are filthy. I TELL YOU ALL THESE MEN ARE HAVING THEIR PORTION BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THEY WILL GET, GOD WILL WIPE OUT ALL THESE FALSE TEACHERS WHO ARE MISLEADING MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Excuse my tone, but this is how God feels about it too. Again!! It was wrong for these men to be taking money for personal gain. It is wrong and un-scriptural. |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "It seems like modern belief has developed a serious dichotomy. You're either vehemently for or vehemently in opposition to Christianity and I don't know which is worse. Most atheists bash all theistic religions and in doing so make that a religion in itself. All I hear from non-religious people is anti-religious hatred. Why can't people get past the fact that the downfalls and blemishes in the world of religion aren't caused by religion itself, they're caused by misguided people's false interpretations of generally noble and valiant teachings. Yes, there are ignorant people who make ignorant religious mistakes, but don't let that be all you believe in. There's a difference between atheism and anti-Christianity."
I like how you worded this. Basically when it comes down to it people need to reason for themselves, not stake their beliefs on what they're told. The Bible even says to "make the truth your own". This means individuals must come to their own conclusions by their own research. I didn't just decide one day that I believed the Bible was the word of God. I've spent tedious years and tears and pain coming to this conclusion. Most of it could have been avoided because of my foolishness so it doesn't have to be that difficult for everyone but I wouldn't take back any of my past as they are my foundations for who I am, but I do regret when I went against what I may have knew what was right at any given time and had the ability to do so.
"satan is my master so no"
At least you are stern about what you believe in. This is better than those who are lukewarm, meaning those who are double life leaders. Revelation 3:15,16 - "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold or else hot. So, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth." |
ShadowRemains
07.11.12 | ugh ugh UGH |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | "when did birthrite start thinking he was the prophet of sputnik?"
Facetious maybe you were being, but a prophet I have never claimed. To be clear so that all may know, I have claimed nothing more than one who is relating what the "Bible" actually says, as well as claiming that I believe every word that was contained in the original text[that wasn't changed] is accurate to the "T" as well as the Bible being in perfect harmony as well as me being an imperfect individual who is doing nothing more than following my heart/mind/ and power of reasoning.
"no satan is about freedom man and livin life and not givin a fuck"
are you sure about that Hyperion? You think you're free? What have you been made free from? You are still a human and are subject to death, you are a slave of death. So again, what exactly are you free from? |
BirthRite
07.11.12 |
"If you have ever taken time to read the bible on your own rather than totally dismissing everything that is in it, you will come to realize that Christianity is way more than a system of beliefs, of not doing wrong and doing right, of avoiding going to hell and trying to go to heaven, going to church on Sunday and all that other stuff that you may associate Christianity with. Christianity is WAY WAY more than just that."
This is true Benkim but according to the Bible. But remember Hellfire does not exist. No loving God would have you burn in hell for eternity due to your imperfect nature that you can't avoid, besides all the other direct scriptures that say otherwise.
"I consider myself a spiritual Christian rather than a religious Christian as I remember when I was the latter I lived a mere passive existence trying to live up to other people's dogma and rules in order to avoid going to hell. I was about to walk away from the whole thing until I came to realize that was not really going to help anything. Thank God for that, literally LOL"
Continue learning my brother, for I feel there are still many truths of the Bible that you are still yet to come to an understanding of. I will be thinking of you and may contact you personally.
"If you have ever taken time to read the bible on your own you would realize how horrible the morals in that book are. "
Tell me just one moral in the Bible that is terrible Eternium.
"I agree that King David saw another man's wife take a bath and had him killed so he could fuck her that shit was so cash."
Yes and thank God who is humble enough to include the faults of his own servants for an example to all others. This is a loving God, not a haughty one.
"This is probably the most complicated, touchy subject on our fucking planet."
You would be surprised at how simple it really is. |
someguest
07.11.12 | I'm a Taoist Christian atheist. |
Relinquished
07.11.12 | free from god and his fungus infected chode that goes down everybodies throats and shoots lies |
BirthRite
07.11.12 | Ok so I'm past the half way mark now and I'm going to be going home from work in a bit so I'll go over some of the rest maybe tonight or tomorrow. Have a goodnite everyone. |
TheFonz123
07.11.12 | I care about and have a lot of respect for religion itself, but i am not religious. Religion has shaped history and produced a lot of great art and so learning about it I think is important. |
deepintheorchard
07.11.12 | I want 420 comments. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I can't even |
MisterSteel
07.11.12 | oh sputnik when will you learn |
Funeralopolis
07.11.12 | "If you have ever taken time to read the bible on your own you would realize how horrible the morals in that book are.
Tell me just one moral in the Bible that is terrible Eternium."
I may not be Eternium but the bible is full of bad teachings. The old testament especially which condemns torture and murder of people who believe otherwise, or are 'sinful'.
The bible teachs you that you are born scum and undeserving of grace for your natural inclinations that you have no control over such as your desire for pride, and libido. It teaches you to feel sorry and apologize for actions which are of no harm to anyone.
The old testament encourages slaves and is never discredited in the new testament, say what you will but people used this as an excuse to justify slavery for hundreds of years.
The old testament treats women like objects, and even in Timothy 1 it is said that women are to be subordinate to men and there are many fundies who follow this true to this day.
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Funeralopolis
07.11.12 | What I hate about Christianity is that nobody acts like a true Christian. How can you say you are a follower of Christ when you follow absolutely none of his dogma? I don't see people giving up their worldly possessions, and forgiving their enemies: yet they claim to be followers of this way of life. Either we have to admit that Jesus was just as greedy as us or that he preached a selfless lifestyle and we just don't feel like obeying him. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I wonder how many people are aware that Jesus wasn't a fan of those who attended church and put others down. Jesus tended to those in real need, the homeless, the poor, etc. |
eternium
07.11.12 | Nah, Jesus was a pro-gun, anti-tax conservative. |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | Lol, Funeralopolis. You poor fool. So misguided. Please read your Bible.
"Jesus tended to those in real need, the homeless, the poor, etc. "
Yeah, whoa. It's unheard of for Christians to do those things, right? |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Did I even say a single thing about Organized Religion in that comment? Absolutely not. |
Calc
07.11.12 | in the words of Lewis Black, "the old testment God is kind of a dick" |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | I am a Christian, but it's not something that I throw at people if they dont want to hear it. I will pray for them, but if they are not willing, that is their decision. However, if they are willing, I will do my best to share the love of God to them. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "Lol, Funeralopolis. You poor fool. So misguided. Please read your Bible."
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." Leviticus 25:44-46
"Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." Exodus 21:15
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death." Leviticus 20:10
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28-29 |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Jesus would be so pissed at today's conservatives
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ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | If you want to know why the old testament seems like God is being a dick I will explain it. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | You tell Eternium, the bible is shit |
Calc
07.11.12 | sure fuck it why not? I didn't wanna know why but this thread is long so tell me lol |
eternium
07.11.12 | If you need to explain why God was being a dick then you're just making up excuses that usually end with God not sounding very God-like. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | "I am a Christian, but it's not something that I throw at people if they dont want to hear it"
same. some people would be pretty surprised if i told them this, but probably most christians are like this as well |
Calc
07.11.12 | I'm guessing the people who wrote the "old" testament were a lot meaner then the people who wrote the "new" one? |
ShadowRemains
07.11.12 | bible has so many retarded, immoral and pointless policies it's not even funny
so all you preachers shut the fuck up for fuck sakes |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | I don't get why they made him such an asshole, if you're going to create god why not make him a cool guy that like shoots pool and drinks whiskey and doesn't commit genocide and what not |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Lets make this real easy for everyone:
Believe in your soul.
The power of intention is real.
Do as you feel is right, do not allow an organized religion keen on using fear inducing tactics control your actions.
Heaven is just a six letter word like crutch - hell is just a four letter word like fear.
Learn as much about yourself as you possibly can, your true self; not your ego. Apply what you learn to the world around you.
/end. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | the last thread like this got deleted |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | If we're all just Christians or Lions, I think i'd rather be on the side with sharper teeth. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | djehuty you are even more crazy than the religious folk |
eternium
07.11.12 | Because they wanted to control people and make them obedient, as is the true purpose of religion (other than explaining what at the time was unexplainable). Barbaric bronze age morals are being pushed onto us because of religion. |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | @eternium: I was referring to Funeralopolis' comment with the "nobody acts like a true Christian" stuff.
Was there a reason you quoted those verses? |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Yeah to show that the bible is really fucked up and obviously made up |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | Since Adam and Eve sinned, we lost our perfection. So something needed to die. So we had sacrifices and such. We had what was called the old covenant and people had to die for committing those sins. Once Jesus came and died on the cross, he took our place. Then we had what was called the new covenant, which means that we are no longer sinning and dying, like those verses say. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | I am not crazy, I'm aware. Eternium just said what i've been saying practically this entire time.. without adding in collected wisdom.
I'm just spiritual man m/ |
auberginedreams
07.11.12 | wow this thread is the definition of tl;dr |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Heaven and Hell are states of mind. They are not actual places. |
Calc
07.11.12 | lol its hard being a christian on the internet deez days...I'm out of the closet about it at least |
eternium
07.11.12 | "Since Adam and Eve sinned, we lost our perfection. So something needed to die."
That is exactly why your religion is disgusting.
/argument |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | If we're all just Christians or Lions, I think i'd rather be on the side with sharper teeth.
wut? |
Calc
07.11.12 | ^yeah i don't like that point it makes the origins of Christianity sound like ancient aztecs lol |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | The Wonder Years, this is a music site... figured I'd make a related musical reference. |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | Yes, but then Jesus came and died so we no longer need to die. But you still have to accept Him. It's your choice if you want to believe in God or not. Not His. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | People in the year 2012 still think adam and eve happened holy fuck kill me now |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | You can't sustain a population with 2 people are you retarded or something
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Calc
07.11.12 | this is a music site but this is not a music thread on it.. |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | yeah i thought the mods would have deleted this by now. itsonlywords made the same thread a while back and it was gone before it got to 100 comments |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | People in the year 2012 still think adam and eve happened holy fuck kill me now [2] |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | You're given the choice to follow god or satan; satan is just a fallen angel who had his own plans therefore God banished him from his kingdom.
Satan is just the black sheep you guys but once again the terms Satan and God are not literal, they are not people/beings/higher powers. They are states of mind. |
Calc
07.11.12 | I don't think Adam and Eve, nor most of the book of Genesis was meant to be taken as literally as it is. I think they're supposed to be just stories to show God's power and omnipotence. Anyway Jews wrote the thing so they should know more than a typical Christian should
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ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | Explain how they are states of mind. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Well, we're not really attacking each other. Just discussing. |
FictionalFlames
07.11.12 | As rightful owner of this list, I do say, "GAWD IS DEEEAAAADDDD" |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Why the hell would god create such a vast and expansive universe and not mention it at all in his holy book and only put his people on one really tiny planet that isn't even in the center of the universe |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | Explain how they are states of mind.
Please don't make this any longer |
Calc
07.11.12 | again...don't take it literally, its a story |
Calc
07.11.12 | lol mindle you dont have to read this if you dont wanna..
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Trebor17
07.11.12 | Why believe in a god when there is no proof like I really don't understand this
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mindleviticus
07.11.12 | Why the hell would god create such a vast and expansive universe and not mention it at all in his holy book and only put his people on one really tiny planet that isn't even in the center of the universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Heaven is not a locality, but a divine state of Mind in which all the manifestations of Mind are harmonious and immortal.
Hell - depression, anxiety, suppression, all around constant negative thoughts.
Did you guys know that negative energy can literally make you sick?
Everything is about energy. Just saying.
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FictionalFlames
07.11.12 | So I'm watching a documentary on string theory, and I have been enlightened.
Who needs religion when you're already inside the mind of god!!!! |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | I will never attack anyone about their religion. I respect everyone's opinion on religion. I just don't agree with them. Like I said if you don't want to hear it, so be it, but I will continue to pray for you. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | String Theory has been proven wrong though. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | "Why believe in a god when there is no proof like I really don't understand this"
because you are too weak minded to be able to come to your own conclusions, the advent of a death following a life that means nothing more than a bunch of cells that came together over a million years scares you so much that you are willing to believe bombastic and illogical tales to help numb the fear of truly not having any point to existing
basically humans fear not being here for a purpose, and will fill that void with any random shit they managed to have forced on them when they were too young to make their own decisions |
eternium
07.11.12 | "I don't think Adam and Eve, nor most of the book of Genesis was meant to be taken as literally as it is."
Pretty sure everyone 3000 years ago believed that some type of God or gods created the universe as it was and had no concept of gradual evolution. For instance, they had no clue about the dinosaurs, which is why they are not mentioned in the Bible. |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | TheDjehuty, I see what you are saying. |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | So I'm watching a documentary on string theory
name of the movie, please? |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | "Why the hell would god create such a vast and expansive universe and not mention it at all in his holy book and only put his people on one really tiny planet that isn't even in the center of the universe"
Huh? Have we discovered somewhere better for us to live in this vast and expansive universe? I don't keep up with these things. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | Why the hell would god create such a vast and expansive universe and not mention it at all in his holy book and only put his people on one really tiny planet that isn't even in the center of the universe
idk, because he felt like it? thats not really a relevant question |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | "String Theory has been proven wrong though."
string theory has not been proven either way, in fact we don't the ability to prove or disprove it at all. it is simply a conjecture based on certain models on how things could possibly work
but we're still trying to figure that out, so dont make comments on things you obviously have no clue about |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Yeah but an omnipotent being can't just "feel like it" it doesn't have any feelings
My point about the universe thing is why the hell would he make billions of stars and planets and shit for no reason, I thought we were put here for a reason, so why the fuck does nothing else have a reason. Don't make sense |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | You're not in the mind of god, your mind has god like attributes. ACTIVATE YOUR PINEAL GLAND; SERIOUSLY.. and don't call me crazy, etc until you read about metaphysics and the pineal gland, it's representation in numerous different cultures throughout history, it's current representation in major societies i.e - there's a giant Pinecone monument at the Vatican that represents the pineal gland. |
Calc
07.11.12 | "basically humans fear not being here for a purpose, and will fill that void with any random shit they managed to have forced on them when they were too young to make their own decisions"
if there's no point to life why is it so bad that people believe this way? |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | Hyperion, I became a Christian three years ago when I was 16. I think I was old enough to make my own decision. And I fear nothing, because I have God living in me. I live by faith. If I die and there is no God, I was a fool, but I don't think that will be the case. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | damn Djehuty i totally agree |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | My point about the universe thing is why the hell would he make billions of stars and planets and shit for no reason, I thought we were put here for a reason, so why the fuck does nothing else have a reason. Don't make sense
maybe its so that we dont get bored on this tiny earth lol. maybe he wanted to show us how powerful he is and what hes capable of |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Hyperion, actually pretty sure I read something that completely erased String Theory from being possible. So, I'll make as many comments on things I've taken the time to educate myself on as I'd like. |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | I get it dude, I just don't believe it to be like that. |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | Just because you (humans in general) don't understand why or how, does not mean that it was created for no reason. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | But it's not mentioned in the bible and we didn't even know about a lot of it until like 50 years ago
If there is a god he does a pretty shitty job of being god |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | oh no, dath is talking horse shit. do you really think like that dath? |
FictionalFlames
07.11.12 | Hyperion knows what he's talking about. |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | String theory is still a valid conjecture, but it's been criticized. The more knowledge we gain about it though, the better and if, in the end, it turns out that it actually isn't true, then we will find a new way of figuring out the origin of the universe based on evidence provided. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | If god is above our thinking or whatever bullshit then how can we even know of his existence? How is it not obvious that we humans created him? |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | Just because you (humans in general) don't understand why or how, does not mean that it was created for no reason.
exactly |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | oh no, dath is talking horse shit. do you really think like that dath?
think like what? im merely giving him possible reasons off the top of my head that God could have possibly mad the rest of the universe. my point is basically what Aso said: just because we dont know the reason, doesnt mean there isnt one |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | I'll give you those points as maybe being true, but it all comes back to my original point, why even believe in god if there is no proof? |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | i honestly think that in the past there was a bro named jesus. he traveled and helped sick people and was nice/helped the poor etc... it was the 1st time people saw a person be so nice. so they really liked the dude. then he died. and then someone made a book then the rest is bullshit. idk |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | and to continue on with my original statement of heaven and hell being states of mind:
Satan is a representation of the Ego, selfishness, lack of empathy.
God is the representation of the true self - in terms of realizing you are everything, you are everyone, you have a connection to every bit of matter in existence. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | @dath "maybe its so that we dont get bored on this tiny earth lol. maybe he wanted to show us how powerful he is and what hes capable of"
oh i see sorry i just thought that this comment was serious |
Calc
07.11.12 | I think the most obvious example of their being God is the origin a la universe. |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | Maybe because it's not relevant to our lives on Earth. What good has "knowing" about it in the last 50 years done for us, Trebor? Can we live somewhere else now? Can we even travel somewhere else?
The simple fact that there are things beyond human understanding should tell you that there is a God. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | @Djehuty
exactly and people should have a 50/50 balance of god and satan. right? |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | It's all about faith Trebor. But there is proof every where about God's existence. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "if there's no point to life why is it so bad that people believe this way?"
Because billions of people believe in scientifically disproven and irrational things, spending time in churches that could be spent benefiting society. Yes, Christians and everyone else do often help out the needy and less fortunate but the most powerful figures would rather rant about how homosexuality and condoms and contraceptives and evolution and facts that disagree with their beliefs are evil. |
auberginedreams
07.11.12 | omg please stop you guys nobody is going to change anyone else's religious views by posting tl;dr comments on a sputnik thread. also i think the real issue at hand is that this circle jerk is taking the spotlight away from my list, which should obviously be the center of attention right now. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Just because there are things we can't fathom, doesn't mean a god exists. |
Calc
07.11.12 | Something can't come out of nothing, the laws of thermodynamics essentially say that but if there was nothing in the beginning of time. Something can't have popped out of nowhere. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | @auber go away |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | The simple fact that there are things beyond human understanding should tell you that there is a
God.
Just because there are things that are beyond human understanding doesn't mean that it has to
come
from God. Science has already filled in so many gaps to the origin of our universe and people are
supposed to think that God is responsible to fill in those other gaps? |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | "The simple fact that there are things beyond human understanding should tell you that there is a God."
or... we just havent found that shit out yet. lol |
KjSwantko
07.11.12 | Hell, we're finding new species on our planet constantly. The fact that many of you people act like you know that there is no God is hilarious. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | trebor what would classify as proof of God? |
ADTRSUX
07.11.12 | Doesn't mean that God does not exist either. |
eternium
07.11.12 | Being a Deist is such a simple life. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | if every church was replaced by a secular school the world would be a better place |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Him showing up and saying hi or a measurement of his mass or like a note signed by him or something idk it hasn't happened yet |
Calc
07.11.12 | "Because billions of people believe in scientifically disproven and irrational things, spending time in churches that could be spent benefiting society. Yes, Christians and everyone else do often help out the needy and less fortunate but the most powerful figures would rather rant about how homosexuality and condoms and contraceptives and evolution and facts that disagree with their beliefs are evil."
what's the point of any of this if there's no point to life? why even try advance if that's what you believe? |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Cuz living is better than dying, why does life need a point, the point is whatever you make it. It's the opposite, life doesn't have a point if there's an eternal afterlife |
Calc
07.11.12 | hyperion you are adding nothing to any conversation here lol |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | "The simple fact that there are things beyond human understanding should tell you that there is a God."
this is the worse argument i have ever heard, thousands of years ago we didnt understand magnetism, but that didnt mean it didn't exist, we just simply hadn't explained it yet |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | I didn't say I know there is no god, I'm saying that it's retarded and a waste of time to dedicate your life to something that has no proof
I'm not gonna start worshiping aliens and shit, they could exist but until they show themselves if ever I'm not wasting my time with it |
Calc
07.11.12 | so if some people make their point about God why are they dumber than people who dont? |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | Him showing up and saying hi or a measurement of his mass or like a note signed by him or something idk it hasn't happened yet
would u believe a note from him was really from him? lol what do u mean a measurement of his mass? how would that prove anything? it seems u have the bar for proof of God pretty high |
eternium
07.11.12 | "what's the point of any of this if there's no point to life? why even try advance if that's what you believe?"
Do you have people that you love and care about? That's the point to life, no wasting time in a church and believing in a book that says slavery is okay but cumming outside of a pussy isn't. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | @Fluttertank - YES. In order to be a complete human being there needs to be a balance.... I mean I have life after death beliefs that coincide with this belief but if I got into that, people would really just think I'm bat shit.
On the same note as being a complete human, the physical representation of a "whole" human for lack of better words is a hermaphrodite. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | "what's the point of any of this if there's no point to life?"
thank you for so eloquently proving my point. it is the rationale that allows religion to spread so quickly.
what if your purpose was to do whatever the hell you want and then die? why is that such a hard concept to grasp? |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | A note like if he transmitted into all of our brains a message or something like that which he could do easily cuz duh he's god
My bar of proof is high? lol yeah I have standards |
Calc
07.11.12 | "Do you have people that you love and care about? That's the point to life, no wasting time in a church and believing in a book that says slavery is okay but cumming outside of a pussy isn't."
lots of people waste time in a church and still love their family very much..a lot of them prolly more so than people who don't go if they're taking the values to heart |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | Hyperion, schools are a place of mental imprisonment. They are equivalent to that of a church. |
KjSwantko
07.11.12 | "if every church was replaced by a secular school the would would be a better place"
Yeah our country has sure improved since Engel v. Vitale hasn't it? |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | so if some people make their point about God why are they dumber than people who dont?
Because making a point about God is like making a point about Unicorns |
Calc
07.11.12 | "what if your purpose was to do whatever the hell you want and then die? why is that such a hard concept to grasp?"
my original question to you was why, if there is indeed no point like you said, it is bad for people to believe in God if there is no point to life? You are the most adamant person here thats why im asking |
eternium
07.11.12 | "lots of people waste time in a church and still love their family very much..a lot of them prolly more so than people who don't go if they're taking the values to heart"
Again, you're ignoring how religion holds society back from progression, whether it's half of Americans not believing in evolution or the fact that same-sex marriage is still illegal. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | the only thing i see good in having faith or believing in god whatever. is that its got this positive faith stuff. but then there is religion and that shit is not positive |
Calc
07.11.12 | mindle you didnt read the stuff before that |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | A note like if he transmitted into all of our brains a message or something like that which he could do easily cuz duh he's god
My bar of proof is high? lol yeah I have standards
he wants us to have faith though. for him to show up in front of us would eliminate faith because weve seen him. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | All religion does is spread hate and intolerance and anti-intellectualism
|
Trebor17
07.11.12 | HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW HE WANTS US TO HAVE FAITH IF HE'S NEVER TOLD US |
ShadowRemains
07.11.12 | "also i think the real issue at hand is that this circle jerk is taking the spotlight away from my list, which should obviously be the center of attention right now."
i don't care if you're kidding, shut the fuck up |
eternium
07.11.12 | Trebor, calm down nigga. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW HE WANTS US TO HAVE FAITH IF HE'S NEVER TOLD US
just because no one has seen God doesnt mean there is no reason to believe in him. if thats true, u have to stop believing in evolution too because no one has ever seen anything evolve |
Calc
07.11.12 | i'm not ignoring it i'm taking what your giving me here, you said the point to life was love your family, not spend time in church i just said most people (probably) go to church AND love their family tis all.
and evolution is a theory not a fact. I believe it obviously because of the evident so far but the point of science isnt to prove things, its to disprove things |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | @trebor "all religion does is spread hate and intolerance and anti-intellectualism"
exactly but then when you think of having faith and not having a religion and a fagass book of hating rules it seems like a positive thing. not sure im making any sense lol. Some days i still wish i had "faith" some days i dont. idk |
Calc
07.11.12 | @dath i saw something evolve lol but i get your point |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | I think I'll let eternium take the next few, I'm exhausted
|
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | "u have to stop believing in evolution too because no one has ever seen anything evolve"
but we have proof evolution happened |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | ive met tons of people who are religious and very good people, hell most of the people i grew up with were christian and are still my friend
i wouldnt have any problem with religion at all if it kept to itself, didnt go on mission trips to convert other people, didnt try to preach down my throat. but religion doesnt work like that. |
TheDjehuty
07.11.12 | @Trebor which is exactly what they want - Hate, intolerance and sheep. |
Calc
07.11.12 | i think everyone in here is mad at fundamentalists lol |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | and evolution is a theory not a fact.
i realize that but my point is that if u have to see something to believe in it then there are a lot of things out there u have to give up believing in as well in order to be consistent |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | and evolution is a theory not a fact. I believe it obviously because of the evident so far but the point of science isnt to prove things, its to disprove things
The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | basically religion is bullshit. the bible and church are pointless. i dont see why people need the bible and church. they dont have faith. they believe in a fucking book lol |
eternium
07.11.12 | "and evolution is a theory not a fact. I believe it obviously because of the evident so far but the point of science isnt to prove things, its to disprove things "
You have no idea what science is about and just because it is a theory (meaning we cannot directly observe it because that is impossible) doesn't mean that it isn't essentially fact. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | My dad is a christian and I love him
Just putting that out there |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | but we have proof evolution happened
my comment has to deal with people who have to see God in order to believe in him but they believe in lots of things they havent seen |
eternium
07.11.12 | "i think everyone in here is mad at fundamentalists lol"
Fundamentalists control and have the most influence. |
Calc
07.11.12 | Richard Dawkins is the most closed minded person ive ever heard lol. but did you know he originated the word meme? you prolly did.. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "my comment has to deal with people who have to see God in order to believe in him but they believe in lots of things they havent seen"
Show me fossils of Adam and Eve and I will believe that they existed. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Yeah gravity is just a theory but I don't remember there every being a day where gravity didn't apply and we all flew up into the sky |
Calc
07.11.12 | that's not what a theory is...me thinks you are the one who doesn't know what science is about |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | lolol exactly eternium. we have fossils and shit to prove that evolution is real |
Calc
07.11.12 | yes trebor but there is a mathematical possibility that what ever your sitting in right now could fly out into space right now |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | Show me fossils of Adam and Eve and I will believe that they existed.
i bet u believe a lot of people existed that uve never seen fossils for lol. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | calc is a science and math expert |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | Richard Dawkins is the most closed minded person ive ever heard lol. but did you know he originated the word meme? you prolly did..
Yes I did and who gives a fuck if he is close-minded if he's right about almost everything he says? |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | 'my comment has to deal with people who have to see God in order to believe in him but they believe in lots of things they havent seen'
but WE HAVE SEEN EVOLUTION, you have evidence of evolution IN YOUR BODY.
you know that milk you drink? why do you think you can digest the lactose? because when humans began to sway towards a heavy dairy diet, the lactase in our stomachs was selected for to persist past infancy so dairy could be adequately digested.
if you are white, then you know that white skin you have? light colored skin was SELECTED FOR in agricultural societies to be able to absorb more vitamin D from sunlight because of the lack of the vitamin in their diet
understanding things is wonderful isnt it? |
Calc
07.11.12 | i am? i just learned that from school |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Show me fossils of Adam and Eve and I will believe that they existed.
i bet u believe a lot of people existed that uve never seen fossils for lol.
Ok again it's not that hard, none of this matters because it is impossible to get to 8 billion people or whatever from 2
Rats and shit can do that but definitely not humans |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | "i bet u believe a lot of people existed that uve never seen fossils for lol."
wut? |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | we have fossils and shit to prove that evolution is real
i didnt say evolution didnt happen. what im saying is that no one has ever seen evolution happen, so why do u need to see God and not evolution |
eternium
07.11.12 | "i bet u believe a lot of people existed that uve never seen fossils for lol. "
Right, I should stop believing in Plato. |
eternium
07.11.12 | "i didnt say evolution didnt happen. what im saying is that no one has ever seen evolution happen, so why do u need to see God and not evolution"
FOSSILS. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | More proof of evolution:
At one point there was only single cell organisms, and then there was only that weird algy shit or whatever and then just fish and then land creatures and then creatures walkin on two feet and shit and then humans came along and oh boy a lot of this would be a lot easier for people to believe if the other human race things like homo erectus hadn't been wiped out |
Calc
07.11.12 | im pretty sure I said i've seen evolution happen...everyone knows evolution happens lol |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | @Flutter what r u confused about? im just addressing the ridiculousness of his comment that he needs to see adam and eves fossils lol |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | You can't see evolution happen directly cuz it takes millions billions years but I mean come on I didn't see the guy deliver the newspaper this morning but I've got a pretty good idea of how it went down |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | Show me fossils of Adam and Eve and I will believe that they existed.
They found them (not really tied into the adam and eve scenario but just earliest traces of human
existence), but they're about a few hundred thousand years apart and traced around a few million years
ago. |
Calc
07.11.12 | IVE SEEN IT HAPPEN!!! LOL |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | adam and eve didn't exist, move on to another more relavent argument please
next caller? |
eternium
07.11.12 | "You can't see evolution happen directly cuz it takes millions billions years but I mean come on I didn't see the guy deliver the newspaper this morning but I've got a pretty good idea of how it went down"
This is perfect and made me laugh. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | 1-800-Trebor |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Dude I'm usually so bad at metaphors, I'm so proud of that one |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | You can't see evolution happen directly cuz it takes millions billions years but I mean come on I didn't see the guy deliver the newspaper this morning but I've got a pretty good idea of how it went down
Spot on |
Calc
07.11.12 | people are so adamant about what science tells them but hop on the first conspiracy theory bus that drives through town... |
camaraderie
07.11.12 | I feel like Trebor is the only in here who isn't being an idiot... |
AsoTamaki
07.11.12 | Lol? That's a pretty stupid metaphor. You have a pretty good idea of how the guy delivered the newspaper because you've seen a guy deliver a newspaper before.
"I feel like Trebor is the only in here who isn't being an idiot..."
Hilarious. Are you actually reading his posts? |
Calc
07.11.12 | trebor has henchman i've learned today..a couple yesmen he keeps around like a mob boss |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | Aren't you the guy that talked about how gay people are evil or something in a different thread? |
Calc
07.11.12 | me o aso? |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | You are familiar with the "Hadean, Archean, Proterozoic, Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic" geological
timescale right? |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | "You can't see evolution happen directly cuz it takes millions billions years but I mean come on I didn't see the guy deliver the newspaper this morning but I've got a pretty good idea of how it went down"
while that is kind of true its not the whole picture, when we look back at the biological record speciation is usually found to occur in a short time frame punctuated by long periods of evolutionary stagnation
basically evolution needs an environmental catalyst to take effect. |
eternium
07.11.12 | Guys who believe in talking snakes and that God told a guy to kill his own son but then changed His mind at the last second are trying to argue that the rest of us are illogical. |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | aso is like the worst user on sputnik |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | biological record speciation is usually found to occur in a short time frame punctuated by long periods of evolutionary stagnation
are you refering to the Cambrian Explosion? |
Calc
07.11.12 | "basically evolution needs an environmental catalyst to take effect."
this is true but for some species is this occurring all the time |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | It's hard to take anything in the bible seriously when it has major factual errors like saying the universe is 6000 years old or whatever when a 2nd grader with a telescope could prove this wrong |
eternium
07.11.12 | Environmental catalysts happen all the time. It's called hurricanes, temperatures, seasons, humidity, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. and other climate/weather alterations that are on the news all the goddamn time. |
Hyperion1001
07.11.12 | "are you refering to the Cambrian Explosion?"
there are lots of different time periods in the history of the earth that exhibit this but yes, the cambrian explosion is an example of rapid speciation followed by a long period of stagnation. |
dathvada321
07.11.12 | There is reason to believe in God just like there is reason to believe in evolution. My point is that people need Direct proof of God, but not of other things such as evolution |
Calc
07.11.12 | ^ are you arguing with someone? |
Calc
07.11.12 | not dath lol eternium |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | bro dath stop saying the same thing over and over |
eternium
07.11.12 | "My point is that people need Direct proof of God, but not of other things such as evolution"
Fossils. |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | evolution has proof though so why wouldn't I believe in it
It does have direct proof
how you not get this? |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | One does simply not "believe" in evolution |
eternium
07.11.12 | FOSSILS |
Trebor17
07.11.12 | fossils are sweet |
Fluttertrank
07.11.12 | so i guess the answer to Does Anyone On Sputnik Seriously Care About Religion? would be yes lol |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | "My point is that people need Direct proof of God, but not of other things such as evolution"
Fossils.
Carbon Dating
Human Evolution
Artificial Selection
biogeography and plate tectonics
the tree of life, homology and analogy
vestigiality and unintelligent design
Geological Time Scale |
Calc
07.11.12 | what if you woke up tomorrow in a pool of pink goop and holes all over your body what would you believe then? |
mindleviticus
07.11.12 | I would still be an atheist trying to discover what's wrong with me. |
eternium
07.11.12 | what if you were walking down the street and someone tried to mug you and you closed your eyes and when you opened them the person was in a spider web on a wall what would you believe then? |
Calc
07.12.12 | my point being you cant KNOW all these things your claiming unless you've seen it happen. If you just blindly drink everything science tells you then your not progressing at all. People are where they are today because they didn't blindly drink in everything science told them. In extension you cant KNOW that God doesn't exist. And calling people dumb who do is just as dumb as blindy spouting off all this science, most of which will prolly be disproven in the future. |
eternium
07.12.12 | Why do you argue against blinding believing anything that a scientists says (which I agree with but scientists have proof and anyone is free to further prove or disprove anything) but you don't argue against blindly believing what some preacher and a book written thousands of years ago says, especially when these people say you're burning forever if you don't agree? |
eternium
07.12.12 | You are the definition of cognitive dissonance. |
mindleviticus
07.12.12 | And calling people dumb who do is just as dumb as blindy spouting off all this science, most of which will prolly be disproven in the future.
If it was to be disproven, it would make way for BETTER science, not to fill in the gaps with God. That's what science is. It is ever-continuing and improving knowledge about our universe. |
Calc
07.12.12 | my argument is against people saying they KNOW that God doesnt exist. Just like you shouldn't blindly believe everything science tells you. People shouldn't blindly believe everything a preacher tells them. Shyt prolly even more so cuz its seem to have led to alot more evil happening. I agree with you there. |
eternium
07.12.12 | Nobody here has said that they KNOW God doesn't exist. Not a single person. |
Trebor17
07.12.12 | yeah I mentioned that |
Calc
07.12.12 | "If it was to be disproven, it would make way for BETTER science, not to fill in the gaps with God. That's what science is. It is ever-continuing and improving knowledge about our universe."
That's true but not the point lol you people who are saying I KNOW THIS!! are just like the people who were saying I KNOW THE EARTH IS FLAT!! It will be proven otherwise, and you'll be wrong. Just like you can't say you know the earth is flat, you can't say there is no God. |
Calc
07.12.12 | @eternium, um yes there were a few. |
Calc
07.12.12 | but it seems my point has come across and we are in agreement. im gonna watch this terrible movie. |
Trebor17
07.12.12 | Who said dat |
mindleviticus
07.12.12 | Science has nothing to do with belief, though. It's about knowing and trying to expand the knowledge of why and how you should know it. You don't just believe that evolution exists because there is so much (and I mean a lot of) evidence to prove that evolution is real that it would be deemed as continually knowning fact. We're continuously expanding our knowledge of what we know and what we're going to find out. |
mindleviticus
07.12.12 | Maybe God doesn't exist maybe he does. We will probably never know with our human knowledge, but there
is an extremely strong claim that he did not exist provided a lot of evidence to support it. Unlike
God which has...none. My thoughts of a God being complete bullshit however are going to go completely
unchanged. |
Inveigh
07.12.12 | "People shouldn't blindly believe everything a preacher tells them."
does that count for the bible too? |
deepintheorchard
07.12.12 | This turned so stupid. So fast. |
Deafcorejr
07.12.12 | Goddammit Sputnik |
BirthRite
07.12.12 | I've read a lot of your comments. I'm not sure how I'm going to reply to all these comments but I can assure you all that there is not of your comments that I've read that I don't have a response to.
So if you will all be patient, when time permits, I will do my best to reply to many of the comments here.
I do want to say that many of you are making irrational and inconclusive statements including certain ones who are claiming to be Christian. But if you will again be patient I will make the effort to clear things up for you all.
I'm off from work tomorrow and will be spending time with my family so you may not here back from me until Friday. Hopefully the thread will not be deleted as I can see some really successful conclusions being made here. Also I have written some of your names down so if the thread is ever deleted I may be able to contact you directly.
Goodnight to all of you and I love you. |
TheDjehuty
07.12.12 | ..... |
eternium
07.12.12 | All hail BirthRite, who knows all. |
TheDjehuty
07.12.12 | ...m/ |
Calc
07.12.12 | do you have to reply to them? |
Masochist
07.12.12 | I'd love to hear some responses to my own comments. Many of mine get lost in the swell and never get noticed, which I tend to think means they're ridiculous, but usually I try to put in some effort to not sound like a troll in these sorts of discussions. Maybe that's why they don't get noticed?
Gyro replied to one. That was nice. |
PuddlesPuddles
07.12.12 | I challenge you to find a single sane person who generally understands either faith OR science. Especially if they're debating as if those are two different sides. |
eternium
07.12.12 | They aren't two different sides but they conflict a lot. |
Funeralopolis
07.12.12 | Evolution is visible through transitional models and the fact that humans have things like tail bones and whales have leg bones. It takes such a long time but there are transitional models able to be seen all over the world. Germs and cells evolve because they go through so many generations so quickly.
"theory" doesn't mean what you think it does. In the science community a theory requires a strong basis to believe it is true but because it can't be redone in a lab it has to be called a theory. Evolution has a strong foothold to believe it is true while the Adam and Eve story has nothing for us to go on. |
Funeralopolis
07.12.12 | "I challenge you to find a single sane person who generally understands either faith OR science. Especially if they're debating as if those are two different sides."
Not everyone was an atheist forever |
PurpleDino
07.12.12 | what's the most comments there's been on a list? |
evilford
07.12.12 | literally all of my family is highly religious so my choosing to not be religious makes me the black sheep of my family. |
PurpleDino
07.12.12 | PS dathvada321 is an idiot |
DeathRite
07.12.12 | "Funny that nobody's ever been able to disprove God either, right?"
Who wants too? If god didn't exist I would have no true lord to worship. |
DeathRite
07.12.12 | "Goodnight to all of you and I love you."
Looks like you LOVE to read your own written word. |
YankeeDudel
07.12.12 | Isnt being agnostic the only logical thing? Nobody can know for sure a type of God does or doesnt exist. Might not be a man in the sky but perhaps an intelligent energy/life force or whatever. I mean just to even make evolution possible there has to be SOMETHING pushing it along. I guess thats why I believe more in the idea that everything is just energy.
Science explains how something happens but it doesnt really explain why. Something is propelling all this. Even if shit happens completely randomly. |
drewcordova
07.12.12 | Agnostic non-theist. No, it matters little to me in my personal life. @Yankee - it might just be the Higgs Boson |
Apollo
07.12.12 | discussing religion on the internet is retarded, you morons need to let this thread finally fucking die |
evilford
07.12.12 | logic and religion fundamentally have nothing to do with each other. religion in the classic sense involves some kind of faith/belief in a deity or supreme being with little to no evidence. This is why I also consider myself an agnostic. if you're talking pure logic, i.e. working with what you can prove, then it's pretty much impossible to prove/disprove that any such being/deity exists |
drewcordova
07.12.12 | @ ford - Just to play devil's advocate, if what you say holds true, then is it logical to be an agnostic about whether or not an Incubus exists? Or is it better to actively believe that one does not? |
evilford
07.12.12 | I've contemplated this topic all I want to today
Bill Hicks has a great rant on religion and dinosaur bones
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FictionalFlames
07.12.12 | Read some of these comments. Lol'd so hard at the content drastically changing from contradictions of the kkk and other crap. |
Winrar
07.12.12 | This will be a good read. |
Funeralopolis
07.12.12 | i have never met an "atheist" that claims 100% they know god isn't real. What the actual term is agnostic atheist- but just say atheist. It is impossible to also disprove the existence of unicorns. |
FictionalFlames
07.12.12 | And dragons. |
dathvada321
07.12.12 | Purpledino is an idiot. Also I never said there was no proof of evolution. I said that no one has directly seen anything evolve. There is reason to believe in both but some people won't believe on god without seeing him. Seeing fossils is not the same as actually seeing something evolve |
PurpleDino
07.13.12 | exactly why you are an idiot |
evilford
07.13.12 | well yeah, no atheist can claim 100% that "god is not real" but the fundamental belief of atheism on the most basic level is that there are no deities, that they do not exist. it's still a belief, because it can't be proven or disproven.
but either way, if you have a religious person who claims with certainty that they have witnessed their deity in person, or if you have an atheist who claims objectively that they have proved that no deities/god(s) exist, then mental illness probably has something to do with it. |
andcas
07.13.12 | you'll find out when you die. |
KILL
07.13.12 | gay |
ilikesexpauseNOT
07.13.12 | this thread is pretty gay, yes indeed,
queer as a threesome with the holy trinity
they say that it's a relationship, not a religion
so get ready for that glorious triple penetration |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @AsoTamaki - "Agreed, man. However, you're still following God's Word as it was written in the Bible. Therefore, it is a religion as defined by man. Unless you're following something else? Religion isn't a negative thing."
==a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.====
As you see with the above statement what religion is, most people are deterred by religion by what man or it's leaders of religious "organization" have done and I personally don't blame them one bit because many religions have twisted the Bible teachings for personal gain and the Bible even prophecies that those/these events would occure, and that is why the next Bible prophecy that is yet to be fulfilled will be that God will destroy all false religion will be the start of what the Bible refers to as "The Great Tribulation". |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @benkim - "Believe me I am the least closed minded guy you will meet. It is just that all the atheists who argue against religion/Christianity usually have their mind made up. I actually meant to write ignore not avoid so that may have been a little misunderstood."
Even Jesus met great opposition with his preaching work, and yet that did cause him to let. Jesus was looking for what he called the sheeplike ones. Even some who consider themselves as athiest or agnostics are just mis-informed or have come to un-concrete conclusions, so I mentioned many times before, sow your seed as you do not know where it will have success.
@UhhKris - "how are you open minded
your mind is made up on christanity
it just makes you a hypocrite"
I know this wasn't directed at but to come to a conclusion of beliefs is fine, but what is not fine is if the conclusion was came to without reasoning. Even the Bible says to not believe every inspired word but to test the inspired word as to whether it is true. This for me is a great turn on because one's who are confident about themselves can say such things like this. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @ Hyperion - "my parents raised me not to be an idiot so naturally i cant be a christian"
Being a Christian or not being a Christian does not constitute a person an idiot or not. Idiocy come from those who willingly do not learn from there mistakes and those who willingly ignore wise counsel when they subjectively know it is wise.
@Benkim - "Atheists are NOT evil, in fact far from it. Other Christians are usually not happy when I say this but I actually don't believe you need to be a Christian to be a "good" person. I have met a lot of atheists that are actually people of exceptional characters and help the society and what not."
According to the Bible no one is "Good". Not even Jesus would call himself "good". When someone called him a "good teacher", he rebuked the person and said only one person is good which is God. I find it rather funny how people like having their ears tickled with this wording of calling each other "good". "Good" is a very powerful word and encompassing and everyone has their own thoughts on what "good" means to them but again, according to the Bible only God is "good".
"There are evil atheists but there are also evil Christians if you get what I mean."
According to the Bible if a "so-called" Christian is evil according to its standards, this person is not a Christian. We are all imperfect but when you sin according to the Bible's standards, that does not make a person evil for as the Bible says "the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will certainly get up"[Proverbs 24:16] |
ncguitar
07.13.12 | No, BirthRite, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Anyways, I'm Christian, and it took me a while to convert. Lots of philosophy, science, reading. I'm still not totally convinced, but its theory of ontology and reality seems way more logical than secular ones.
And yeah, atheists' arguments are very predictable (religion was created to enslave people, to explain things we don't know yet, God is an imaginary friend, etc). And many christians are arrogant fanatic dumbfucks. |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | I've got a confession: I'm in love with a man. "What?" I'm in love with a man. A man called God. Does that make me gay? Am I "gay for God"? You betcha. |
Colliiiin
07.13.12 | ^ Ahaha yes, Sunny is the fuckin shizat. |
Graveyard
07.13.12 | but God is not a man.... |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | haha first thing that came to mind when i read sexpause's poem thing |
ILJ
07.13.12 | People are still commenting on this shit? |
FictionalFlames
07.13.12 | Kind of surprised Wilie or Jom never closed this list. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Gyromania - "I'm of the belief that we're all born as blank slates. There are no preconceived notions about race, gender, etc., all of that is learned. Without religion in place, who's to say we wouldn't be morally corrupt? Sure we have freedom of choice, and each of us is different, but we're all taught the same values (depending on culture)."
This statement is true, for if you watch young children they show traits of racism or the like. This is taught to them. That is why Jesus said if you are to enter the Kingdom of God[whether earthly or heavenly, but most are earthly] you must be like one of these little ones.
@Trebor17 - "yeah christ is bullshit there are more than one prophet why should one be the right one "
Yes there have been many prophets, but you want to know how you know which are right and which are not? The answer: Your power of reasoning.
@Masochist - "I've also found that if people's argument against religion has anything to do with the people who follow it, it's pretty invalid."
I have been appreciating your post' and I can sense that you are trying to be kind rather than combative. To clarify if a person has a problem with individuals of religion it is indeed "valid" because you can never nullify a persons opinion or perspective, what you can do is reason with them and cushion they concerns by saying I can understand that, then say what is more important, the rules and commands or those who follow the rules and commands and start with a foundation that could grow. But I greatly commend you Masochist and have gained a bit of affection for you so continue on your path but utilize reason more and remember to love your enemies if you ever consider one to be that way, this is the way of Christ, not the way of Satan. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | "Kind of surprised Wilie or Jom never closed this list."
Perhaps God has given many the chance to hear truth. I will continue as long as this is in effect. And even then I have the names of certain ones written down for future conversations. |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | lol, i can't tell. you being serious birthrite or is this a bit that you're doing. sorry, thread was too long, couldnt read |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Not fair. You're not supposed to have a shit storm without storm in a teacup! |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Gyromania - "Masochist: you echo my sentiments, dude. I love discussing theology with those who approach it with an open mind. Unfortunately some of my friends have that 'the bible is a fairy-tale and people who believe in that are fucking stupid' kind of attitude. Thing is, scholarly atheists - many of their idols, in fact - would likely laugh at them for being so juvenile and ignorant about it. Many atheists I've met claim they don't even need to know anything about theology to know that it's all bullshit, which is patently false. Religion and politics are two things that cannot be argued, but they can certainly be discussed, and knowledge of that which you support is just as important as knowledge of that which you oppose, if you ask me. I myself would say I'm agnostic, if anything, but I'm always receptive to discussing and learning more about these things. "or what atrocities people commit in the name of religion," This is another thing that bothers me. This is a people problem, not a problem with religion. People will always commit atrocities in the name of... well, whatever. It's easy to pin the blame on the religion itself rather than the person's mental health. "
Your above conclusions are excellent and a breath of fresh air to read. As far you mentioning you being "agnostic", I actually understand what you meant by that in relation to yourself. For even a person who studies religions/thoughts/beliefs/concepts/philosophies understands that not all things can be known but according to the Bible man would have enough knowledge to know what God requires of man and is needed to continue living which according the bible is all that matters. |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | I might disagree with birthrite, but he has shown you all up. |
FictionalFlames
07.13.12 | I think he's bored. |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | i see what birthrite is doing; You've gotta wait till the seed grows into a plant. Then you've gotta fuck the plant. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Tyraelxy - "The only issue I have with religion is that people are using it as an excuse to to horrible things"
I have the same issue but I do not allow the actions of other human beings to affect my pursuit of understand and knowledge into the possibility of love God existing.
@MrElmo - "good point gyromania , but technically it's religion that gives these madmen the power to control since it permits them to abuse people's beliefs by disguising themselves as the new messias ; I can't see why we cannot blame religion and the future despots altogether..."
A person is only as strong as the subjects who give them power. You and I are not forced to give them any credibility or power. You can blame man, you can blame Satan. This is why the next major Bible prophecy, as I mentioned before, will be the destruction of false religion. Do you not believe? Do you not believe the Bible? Many churches have either kept this truth away from it's subjects or many aren't even aware of this all important prophecy. There are many things must first take place before what the Bible calls Armagheddon. |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | shutup already will ya |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | "This is another thing that bothers me. This is a people problem, not a problem with religion. People will always commit atrocities in the name of... well, whatever. It's easy to pin the blame on the religion itself rather than the person's mental health. "
I don't believe the stance that without religion people would just find another excuse therefore deeming the argument null. There are other reasons people fight such as racism or greed that have nothing to do with religion. Regardless if religion existed or not these other factors would continue to exist and all of these issues are at least attempted to be silenced by society. Religion in the wrong hands does create additional unnecessary violence. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | "I think he's bored."
With my fleshly desires I could be doing a world of other things but with my spiritual desires I am where I should be.
@MrElmo - "Gyromania : glad we can have a discussion but I would just like to know what could be the use of religion , any educational system built by mankind could teach us the values of peace ,tolerance and respect , therefore , what is the use of religion in such a case ?"
Matthew 24:14; 28:19,20: "This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and the the end will come.""Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them... teaching them."(How would this be accomplished without organization? When Jesus trained his early disciples for this work, He did not simply tell each one to go wherever he desired and to share his faith in whatever way he chose. He trained them, gave them instructions and sent them out in an organized manner. )See Luke 8:1; 9:1-6; 10:1-16)
1 Corinthians 14:33,40 "God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace... Let all things take place decently and by arrangement."
1 Peter 2:9,17 "But you are 'a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light... Have love for the whole association of brother."(An association of people whose efforts are directed to accomplish a particular work is an organization.)
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YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | Stop quoting that childrens book |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | nothing you just said was relevant to the quote |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | Well Christians have a bunch of quotes ready no matter what the question was |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | ....Continuing from my last comment....
Most religious organizations have produced bad fruitage. It is not the fact that groups are organized that is bad. But many have promoted forms of worship that are based on false teachings and are largely ritualistic instread of providing genuine spiritual guidance; they have been misused to control the lives of people for selfish objectives; they have been overly concerned with money collections and ornate houses of worship instead of spiritual values; their members are often hypocritical. Obviously no one who loves righteousness would want to belong to such an organization. But true religion is a refreshing contrast to all of that. Nevertheless, to fulfill the Bible's requirements, it must be organized.
1 Corinthians 1:10 "Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."(Such unity would never be achieved if the individuals did not meet together, benefit from the same spiritual feeding program, and respect the agency through which such instruction was provided.(See also John 17:20,21 if you're interested.) |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | @Birthrite: legitimate question. I was thinking about 'belief' and how it is a term that can be used quite loosely. Like how the bible says you can only find salvation through Jesus, yet if you claim to be a Christian and don't follow or ignore entirely his teachings then I wouldn't say you are working through him.
Like if one were to say "save money through Wal-mart" That doesn't mean acknowledge Wal-Mart exists then continue doing whatever you want and you'll save money that means you have to actually spend money, use it as a guide or a tool etc.
Could belief in Christ mean much more than acknowledgement rather than actual exertion (or least attempt) of his teachings? |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Tyraelxy - "I'd love to have some faith but humanity has made me lose all my faith a long time ago"
Perhaps you feel that way at the moment as I felt that way through many intervals in my life as well. It's to focus on something worthy when the desires of the flesh are so rampant and easy to fulfill nowadays. I pray that in perhaps in time God will open up things to you my brother. For remember, it is God who draws those to him, not vice versa. John 6:44 "No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him." But, also see James 4:8 "Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you." So if you pray earnestly to God and search for him, he WILL reveal himself to you and build the faith within yourself that you say you are lacking.
@MrElmo - "Well actually no ,I'me affraid faith is a waist of time for me, when you die, you die and that's it. nobody is going to help you if you call him , no invisible man in the sky, It's just a loss of useful time to have faith , why spend your time hoping and praying when you could actually do something to make the world better before you turn to smithereens? So on this note I'me affraid I don't like faith ,for it is a loss of what could be constructive time . about the law and religion , I have never seen a man get a smaller emprisonnement by simply saying god told me to..... "
Faith is the Assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld - Hebrews 11:1. True faith is not credulity, that is, a readiness to believe something without sound evidence of just because a person wants it to be so. Genuine faith requires basic or fundamental knowledge, acquaintance with evidence, as well as heartfelt appreciation of what that evidence indicates. Thus, althought it is impossible to have real faith without accurate knowledge, the Bible says that it is "with the heart" that one exercises faith. -Romans 10:10. The bible says people are declared righteous by there faith but at the same time it also says faith is dead without works.
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Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Kill - "i will choose a path thats clear"
Tell me, what do you find unclear about the Bible and I will attempt to make it clear for you, or, at least clearer than anything else that you've considered.
@AnarchistFish - "I fucking hate discussions on religion. There's no way anyone can get their point across even if it's sensible"
I have had much success in this fashion, even on this site.
@MrElmo - "anarchistfish: yep I agree , always pissed me off to write on the internet , plus the truth is that these kinds of debates don't have much use since nobody will change his mind in the end . Oh well I'll just go back and play MGS3 with a cup of tea now"
How do you know that someone didn't change their mind? This is not info that you can, nor does it matter whether you do or not unless it strengthens your own resolve. What matters is that persons personal thoughts and what they may have gained from they have read with their power of reasonings. So again sow your seed as you do not know where it will success. But sow with a view to the spirit and with reasonableness.
@FourthReich - "mr elmo why would i waste my time trying to make the world a better place? it that the purpose of existence? i have no faith nor hope that it will ever improve or me doing anything will make it imporve so instead i do nothing because nothing is intended for me in life or death. when did you die by the way because it seems like you know an awful lot about death?"
Man cannot make the world a better place. According to the Bible only God can. The purpose of the preaching work as described in the Bible is for people to gain an understanding of God's requirements and what he has in store for people in the future. Even if the world tried their best to follow the laws of what whoever considers upright or what the Bible says it would not solve the worlds problems, according to the Bible. In fact, even the Bible says "it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his own step." |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | "Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof"
The definition I providing was the one according to the Bible, again found at Hebrews 11:1 as I mentioned before. |
fractured
07.13.12 | Nope, but to each their own. |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof |
SeaAnemone
07.13.12 | anyone see that report on Dateline last night about Scientology? lol |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | "The definition I providing was the one according to the Bible, again found at Hebrews 11:1 as I mentioned before." the translation from hebrew was probably fucked up and the definition in the bible you mentioned probably doesn't even match up to the original authors definition. |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | and if the definition wasn't screwed up, an omnipotent god should have foresaw the change in definition and used a word that would still bear the same message today |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Fuck it all. Good over darkness is what we should work for and getting the Earth okay again like it was before humans became the dominant species. |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof |
SeaAnemone
07.13.12 | yeah I've taken a few theology courses in college and some of it is really interesting and though I'm really dumb when it comes to the stuff I've had some really amazing professors that know their shit-- people whose ideas I have a lot of respect for and are generally very well-spoken and intelligent
still, we would be going through things like the legitimacy of the trinity in Christology class and talking about all the Councils (Nicea, Constantinople, Chalcedon, etc.) that led to how we're allowed to talk about this Jesus guy and I would lightly bring up some of the inherent contradictions in the notion of the Trinity and my Professor on more than one occasion would just eventually have to say "well that would make sense logically, but we can't say that because we must follow the path that Scripture allows" or whatever and I could just be like "oh ok"
in short: yeah faith in Christ and the Trinity doesn't make any sense based on reason and logic, hence the word "faith" ... anything else is just delving further into delusion |
deepintheorchard
07.13.12 | This is getting ridiculous. |
evilford
07.13.12 | "and if the definition wasn't screwed up, an omnipotent god should have foresaw the change in definition and used a word that would still bear the same message today"
lol
I love that
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BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Benkim - "Maybe you are unlike me who has idealism so hardwired and is such a big part of me that there is no way I can just say I will live a life of pleasuring myself(LOL) and thats it! Trust me I tried once, when I had lost faith in humanity but that only made me sink into some serious angst. A hedonistic lifestyle is just not for me."
I am glad you have come to this conclusion and that you have showed bravery to persist in something that makes so much more sense.
@Coliin - "There is no god, there is no existence, everything is how you perceive it to be."
Do you have any idea how contradictory you statement is? So if I percieve that there is a God and that there is existence than what you just said is pointless.
@Colliiin - "Did you forget that man wrote the bible?"
Physically yes but do you know who it was inspired by and who fully controlled what is contained in it according to the Bible? Read 2Timothy 3:16,17. Would you like me to go deeper with this?
@Thisismyalt - your reasoning seems to be accurate. I wish contact you directly in the near future so we can reason together my brother. |
deepintheorchard
07.13.12 | Everyone should just read Alan Watts, and Carl Jung, and Lao Tzu. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Hitletisthebest - "as for me needing proof, i dont. proving god doesnt exist is impossible, just like its impossible to prove santa doesnt exist. "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." you cant just come up to people and say "god exists," and then when they ask for proof say "well you cant prove hes not real, so ha!" evidence, or go suck a dick."
Do you see the wind? But how do you know it's there?
@KJSwantko - "I'm a committed follower of Christ. I read the Bible, I do what it says. I leave out the holier-than-thou judging of others, pointless rituals, etc that many religious folk feel obligated to do. So I read, I pray, then I go thrash."
You say you do what the Bible says, but when you mentioned what you do you did not mention preaching.
@Hitleristhebest - "yeah, hes just spewing a bunch of dumb bible shit when its all completely irrelevant because no evidence"
Again, how do you know the wind is there?
@ Funeralopolis - "I may not be Eternium but the bible is full of bad teachings. The old testament especially which condemns torture and murder of people who believe otherwise, or are 'sinful'.
The bible teachs you that you are born scum and undeserving of grace for your natural inclinations that you have no control over such as your desire for pride, and libido. It teaches you to feel sorry and apologize for actions which are of no harm to anyone.
The old testament encourages slaves and is never discredited in the new testament, say what you will but people used this as an excuse to justify slavery for hundreds of years.
The old testament treats women like objects, and even in Timothy 1 it is said that women are to be subordinate to men and there are many fundies who follow this true to this day."
A dollar is not whole without the other 50cents. Your comments have shown that you descredit the all important quality of humility. As far as slaves and women do you not read of the provisions God made for slaves so that they were not ill-treated? Did you not read that a husband should treat his wife as himself? Your reasoning is sadly terrible. Do I need to ellaborate more or do you believe me? |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Faith by dictionary definition means a belief not based on any actual evidence or proof |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | I treat other people ten times better than I treat myself so what does that mean? |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | STORM IS COPY AND PASTING THE SAME LINE OVER AND OVER LOOK HOW FUNNY HE CAN BE HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | dude shut the fuck up i'm making a point not trying to be funny you fucking loser |
ShadowRemains
07.13.12 | shut the fuck up |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | that break is definitely not funny |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | STORM IS MAKING A POINT |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | can't we all just get along? |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | @Funeralopolis - "What I hate about Christianity is that nobody acts like a true Christian. How can you say you are a follower of Christ when you follow absolutely none of his dogma? I don't see people giving up their worldly possessions, and forgiving their enemies: yet they claim to be followers of this way of life. Either we have to admit that Jesus was just as greedy as us or that he preached a selfless lifestyle and we just don't feel like obeying him. "
"Hate" is a powerful word but I would say that I agree with disliking those who claim to be Christian but put forth no effort but it is God who will set things straight, not myself. And say Jesus was greedy is again your own selfish thoughts as you have not one logical thing you can say about Jesus' lifestyle that even resembles greed. And yes everyone has their own freewill and God does not want people to forcefully serve him.
@TheDjehuty - "I wonder how many people are aware that Jesus wasn't a fan of those who attended church and put others down. Jesus tended to those in real need, the homeless, the poor, etc. "
You are only partially correct. Why wouldn't Jesus be a fan of those who attended a Bible meeting? Even he went to the synagogues to teach and was regularly there. Perhaps you meant to say he wasn't a fan of the synagogues that taught false things. This would be true. But yes he wasn't a fan of those who put others down and the rest of what you said was true.
@ADTRSUX - "I am a Christian, but it's not something that I throw at people if they dont want to hear it. I will pray for them, but if they are not willing, that is their decision. However, if they are willing, I will do my best to share the love of God to them."
Now remember preaching is not throwing it at them. If they say they are not interested and you say thank you for your time and walk away this is not throwing it at them because you respected their decision. But how are you to know if they are willing if you do not first approach them? |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | Also YankeeDudel can you remove your long comment as it has messed up the format of the page now. |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | Nice maybe this thread will die cuz of how annoying my break will be to read with.
Actually it should be LONGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
evilford
07.13.12 | this page needs divine intervention |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | yankee, i'm trying to learn about god, asshole. |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | Birthrite Satan told me to foil your preaching. BE GONE. |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | Birthrite stop ignoring me just because I'm smarter |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | i think he's getting to us one at a time, i've been patiently awaiting my response. he needs to hurry up tho, i could die at any moment and i need to assure myself of salvation |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | OK EVERYONE I AM GLAD TO SAY THAT MY WORK ON THIS THREAD IS DONE. FEEL FREE TO READ ALL MY PAST COMMENTS.
I AM ALSO GLAD TO SAY THAT I HAVE A TOTAL OF 22 NAMES OF USERS ON THIS LIST THAT I WILL BE CONTACTING DIRECTLY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF YOU ARE EVER NOT INTERESTED DON'T BE AFRAID TO TELL ME AND I WILL RESPECT YOUR PRESENT DECISIONS.
AND YES "JDENNIS31" YOU ARE ON MY LIST BROTHER. EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR DAYS AND WEEKENDS AND THANKS FOR THOSE WHO APPROACHED THIS LIST WITH AN OPEN HEART AND MIND. AGAIN, I LOVE YOU ALL AND LOOK FORWARD TO MY FUTURE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | OK EVERYONE I AM GLAD TO SAY THAT MY WORK ON THIS THREAD IS DONE. FEEL FREE TO READ ALL MY PAST COMMENTS.
I AM ALSO GLAD TO SAY THAT I HAVE A TOTAL OF 22 NAMES OF USERS ON THIS LIST THAT I WILL BE CONTACTING DIRECTLY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF YOU ARE EVER NOT INTERESTED DON'T BE AFRAID TO TELL ME AND I WILL RESPECT YOUR PRESENT DECISIONS.
AND YES "JDENNIS31" YOU ARE ON MY LIST BROTHER. EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR DAYS AND WEEKENDS AND THANKS FOR THOSE WHO APPROACHED THIS LIST WITH AN OPEN HEART AND MIND. AGAIN, I LOVE YOU ALL AND LOOK FORWARD TO MY FUTURE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU. |
BirthRite
07.13.12 | OK EVERYONE I AM GLAD TO SAY THAT MY WORK ON THIS THREAD IS DONE. FEEL FREE TO READ ALL MY PAST COMMENTS.
I AM ALSO GLAD TO SAY THAT I HAVE A TOTAL OF 22 NAMES OF USERS ON THIS LIST THAT I WILL BE CONTACTING DIRECTLY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF YOU ARE EVER NOT INTERESTED DON'T BE AFRAID TO TELL ME AND I WILL RESPECT YOUR PRESENT DECISIONS.
AND YES "JDENNIS31" YOU ARE ON MY LIST BROTHER. EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR DAYS AND WEEKENDS AND THANKS FOR THOSE WHO APPROACHED THIS LIST WITH AN OPEN HEART AND MIND. AGAIN, I LOVE YOU ALL AND LOOK FORWARD TO MY FUTURE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU.
THREE POST FOR EMPHASIS. |
YankeeDudel
07.13.12 | Satan wins this battle |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | well now I just feel like killing myself again. |
thumbcrusher
07.13.12 | oh hey what's going on here guys? |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | were being saved |
Recspecs
07.13.12 | Fuck this thread blew up
turntable.fm/mangasm |
Colliiiin
07.13.12 | One this thread reaches 666 Sputnik is going to die. |
thumbcrusher
07.13.12 | woah shit, people quoted bible verses and everything |
evilford
07.13.12 | lol welp rip thread |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | haha yea, http://p.twimg.com/AxcO1LeCIAIbw1J.jpg |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | post |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | post of a post |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | posting on about posting a post |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | almost there |
Recspecs
07.13.12 | Fuck join turntable.
turntable.fm/mangasm |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | birthrite just wanted to get out before it got this far
EDIT: OMG I WIN!!! |
thumbcrusher
07.13.12 | HAHAHA that leaflet is gold!
"Atheists are often grumpy and bitter and will lash out at children" fucking lol |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | at work rec :( 668* |
jdennis31
07.13.12 | hahaha yea thumb, i still don't know if it's like a real thing or made up for laughs. saw it on a christian website tho |
Storm In A Teacup
07.13.12 | My heart feels a bit heavier. |
evilford
07.13.12 | last gasp before thread dies forever |
FictionalFlames
07.13.12 | IF YOU'RE 555 THEN I'M |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | 666 |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | refresh then |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | get comment count one higher after that |
FictionalFlames
07.13.12 | Keep comenting until it's over 700 |
Funeralopolis
07.13.12 | it is |
Funeralopolis
07.14.12 | going |
Wafflez
07.16.12 | Ehh I do i just try to not rub it on other peoples face |
