SloppyMilkshake: Ch-ch-changes

SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	As harsh as it may seem, I actually like everything up until 14. The rest I legitimately dislike. AS much as I love the guy, I'm not afraid to say he's overrated and has put out a lot of crap.
Ire 03.21.11	LOVE Bowie. Have a bunch of these on tape and vinyl. Holding my Earthling tape now actually. lol never let me down
Scoot 03.21.11	guy rules
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	Yeah. The other albums have some redeeming qualities (Bowie always has at least a good song or two, or, some cool experiments on his albums), but Never Let Me Down is just...just...ugg. Also, I just realized that for as much as I usually hate when a band/solo artist decides to use themselves as the album art (because its usually done so in a bland manner) Bowie may be the only guy to make some truly classic album covers using his own likeliness.
Ire 03.21.11	16 through 19 rule 15 is terrible urgh
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	15 never bugged me, I don't know...maybe I excuse it a bit more because its his first album I maybe too hard on 19...its cool, its just the sound doesn't appeal to me. For someone who likes that particular genre, they'll probably like it a LOT more.
Ire 03.21.11	hmmm. Station to Station is really good and overshadowed by his other 70's stuff. my top 5 would be Ziggy Station to Station Hunky Dory Man Who Sold the World Low
Chrisjon89 03.21.11	Bowie rules. I listened to a ridiculous amount of Bowie in 2009 and I mostly agree with the top section of your list but I'm missing most of his 80's/90's material as well as Reality/Heathen. The late 70's electronic stuff in particular is a long way ahead of the game for a popular musician.
ThyCrossAwaits 03.21.11	I fucking knew this would be a Bowie list
EverythingEvil2113 03.21.11	I've just started to get into Bowie, though I've only heard 2, 5, and 9 so far. Man Who Sold the World is my favorite as of now.
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	His 70's electronic stuff was a really great shift for him. Again, I do think he's really overrated though. When I think about it, Bowie was more or less a guy with eclectic tastes in music/art/literature/philosophy/fashion who wanted to blend them all together in one aesthetic. He was an imitator, but he could usually best those whom he imitated. In the 70's he was great at adding just the right amount of artsiness to pop music to make it interesting. The only album I'll say he did that was really original was "Station to Station". Yes, his Berlin Period was ahead of its time, however, it was heavily in debt to Eno and the Eno's peers. "Station to Station" was just this strange take on soul/funk/R&B/pop that through Bowie's conflicting high-art life style and disastrous drug use resulted him stumbling across krautrock compositions, electronic flourishes, and some proto-post-punk (I hate myself for typing that) tinges. Also, the vocals are just insane...mostly cold and druggy that burst into over dramatic soulfulness at times.
Ire 03.21.11	Hunky Dory and Ziggy are totally original though.
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	Glam rock already existed before Ziggy Stardust though, and Hunky Dory was basically his interpretation of all the pop music around at the time. Don't get me wrong, he added plenty of his own touches to both ideas (lyrics, concepts, the blending of different genres), however, a lot of his most ravenous fans like to believe Bowie was/is some sort of genius. He's only as good as the musicians/influences around him. Which brings me back to "Station to Station"; he really didn't have many influences around him at the time other than his heavy drug use, which made him blend all of these previous facets about himself into one album.
Ire 03.21.11	The glam rock scene was kinda forgettable though. It was about as present as the shoegaze scene was to My Bloody Valentine when they first started. Seriously, other than Bowie and T. Rex, what other glam rock bands from the early 70s do you remember? IIRC, he was sober on Station to Station.
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	"Bowie himself remembers almost nothing of the album's production, not even the studio, later admitting, "I know it was in LA because I've read it was" - the guy was basically living off of cocaine. It was on "Low" where he sobered up. Roxy Music, New York Dolls, and Lou Reed were all active at the time. Bowie was a fan of all of these acts though, and through his relationships with these bands, he got his first taste of glam. I will commend him for taking the idea and running with it and perfecting it though, even before any of those bands really did much with it (if I remember correctly, only "Transformer" came out before Ziggy Stardust, and not by much of a margin)
Deviant. 03.21.11	"In my opinion, the one time Bowie was really ahead of the game instead of just imitating." I'm sorry, but the laughing gnome would like to have a word with you
Ire 03.21.11	hm okay.
Chrisjon89 03.21.11	I think he moved to Europe after Station to Station to get off the heavier drugs and out of LA. As far I know he was most messed up in that plastic soul era of Young Americans and Station to Station. I've read interviews where he said he remembers nothing about making that album. And I agree that alot of those albums weren't totally original and relied heavily upon the collaborators and other influences to shape the sound, but I dunno if anyone else was that influential in doing all that stuff.
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	@Deviant.; I God...I lol'd. I totally forgot about that song. That one was pretty fucked up/unique. Almost out-whimsies Syd Barrett. @Chris; Yeah, that's my point really. Even if he wasn't a genius he really did master whatever genre he was toying with and then moving on before it got too stale.
Deviant. 03.21.11	I think the first experience I ever had with Bowie was when I was like 8 or so and mum was playing Station To Station. I remember hearing the guitar lick for 'Stay' and loving it instantly
SloppyMilkshake 03.21.11	That's a hell of a riff. The whole groove on that thing is just relentless. I'm just now rediscovering my love for "Word on a Wing". Even though its supposed to be emotional and cathartic its fascinating how its till manages to sound just depleted almost hollow. Seriously, that album is the best thing cocaine has ever given this world. That, and Charlie Sheen. Vatican Warlock Assassins ain't nothing to fuck wit