heyadam: astrosput | Sputnikmusic

heyadam 04.18.23	Sag Sun, Pisces Moon, Cap Rising why did the stars make me a weeb : ' (
ArsMoriendi 04.18.23	I don't believe in it at all, but like any good gay on a dating I app I know the bare basics about my signs: Aquarius Sun Scorpio Moon Leo Rising
heyadam 04.18.23	hahaha good luck out there brother, you’ll absolutely need a surfacey script for astrology on all the dating apps
PotsyTater 04.18.23	Cancer sun Sag rising Cap moon 🤮
JohnnyoftheWell 04.18.23	Gemini sun i am unreliable gossip Capricorn moon i am moody pernicious control freak Leo rising colossal superiority complex controlling freak it is not good where is BOaT±!±!!!
PotsyTater 04.18.23	I think as a tool for personal development astrology can be helpful, and in those terms it doesn’t matter if it’s real or not as long as it helps you draw useful conclusions about yourself and how you interact with the world that you can use to better yourself or understand yourself more. On the flip side, for certain types of people it can also be used as a tool to dismiss accountability for your terrible behaviour and shitty personality in which case it’s extremely important to let those people know that astrology is bullshit and that it is 100% their own fault that they are a terrible person.
heyadam 04.18.23	lol pots moon do be fuckin things up @johnny I immediately regretted the balance and composure choice in lieu of boat but it’s what I’m literally listening to rn. blame the stars okay
ArsMoriendi 04.18.23	Oh we're explaining what they apparently mean? Aquarius Sun (aloof artsy weirdo) Scorpio Moon (apparently fucks a lot, but also paranoid?) Leo Rising (stubborn but generous)
unclereich 04.18.23	"hahaha good luck out there brother, you’ll absolutely need a surfacey script for astrology on all the dating apps" I was going to say this lol doesn't matter what app youre on, if youre a dude youre gunna need to know astrology. I date a mathematician who is deep into it unfortunately.
Colton 04.18.23	girl i dated last summer pulled out a fuckin tarot deck and made me draw cards
heyadam 04.18.23	@pots 100, in the same exact mindset I think to self reflect and give you language to express things it’s cool, but I think using it predictively or to diagnose anything is harmful at best. I’m reading a book called “post-colonial astrology” that’s pretty rad where the author (an astrologer) just deconstructs all the language and symbology associated with astrology, which can be buckwild. Also astrology trying to predict physical descriptors and traits is unhinged it’s been fun using it as a jumping point for reflection tho
PotsyTater 04.18.23	Capricorn is one of the worst signs ever but Virgo is the worstest The way you know this, is that if you said “Virgo is the worst sign ever” every Virgo you know would be legitimately be offended
ArsMoriendi 04.18.23	Aquarius is the best because it's the only one with a famous play
heyadam 04.18.23	4 me: Sag sun (impulsive/curious/aloof) Pisces moon (sadboi/gladboi) Cap rising (takes things v seriously) that’s the wombo combo right there
PotsyTater 04.18.23	Aquarius b like “I don’t believe in astrology”
MoM 04.18.23	Gemini sun Capricorn moon Aquarius rising No idea what this means
ArsMoriendi 04.18.23	I don't believe in anything spiritual to be fair We are just cells communicating which are just atoms reacting which is just math mathing which is just k̶̢̀ẑ̶͔z̵̬̕z̷̛͙z̷̫̆z̴̮̅z̶͌͜z̸̠̐r̸̤̽r̷̻̈́r̸͕͛r̶̙͗r̸̩̈́f̶͍̐r̵͈̀r̴͊ͅr̷̯̿r̴͈̃r̸̖̽r̶̮͘r̵͉͂r̸͈͗r̷̡͋r̷̟̽r̷̰̍ḃ̴̢z̶͍̔ź̷̨ẕ̴̈z̸̮͌ř̷̖ȑ̴̼ŕ̶̤r̷͍̓
unclereich 04.18.23	@pots considering im an Aquarius that checks out. I do tire of my partner telling me "youre SUCH an Aquarius"
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	though I was super into pretentious pseudointellectual astrology (aka MBTI) for longer than I'd like to admit
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Hahaha
unclereich 04.19.23	ive been religious for longer than I care to admit. so be it
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Im religious Religiously fabulous 💅
unclereich 04.19.23	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdUlSd2Md0M
heyadam 04.19.23	I def put astrology into the MBTI/Enneagram/million other personality typing systems category for the most part. It's a tool people can use to help them figure things out for a time, but it's also a tool that can be used for really shitty purposes lol.
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Smae
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	Oh god Enneagram, I remember that one and yeah the biggest problem with MBTI was how quickly it turned into surrogate racism
pizzamachine 04.19.23	Astrology is not for me.
heyadam 04.19.23	Astrology can also devolve into surrogate racism really quickly lol. I tend to only seek out poc astrology sources bc of that if I feel like doing any digging. Not because only poc can see things objectively, but just because astrology itself has a lot of yikes smuggled in that I really appreciate the views that are able to dissect that stuff out
Storm In A Teacup 04.19.23	There are 3 signs for a person?
unclereich 04.19.23	what was that one personality test everyone took seriously and would put in their tinder bios that was recently proved to be utter bullshite
PotsyTater 04.19.23	There are a lot more than that
unclereich 04.19.23	Astrology can also devolve into surrogate racism really quickly lol not a statement i ever thought id see lol
MoM 04.19.23	“Astrology can also devolve into surrogate racism really quickly lol” Ain’t that the truth. Shit’s wack as fuck
unclereich 04.19.23	im afraid to ask how
heyadam 04.19.23	probs thinking of MBTI, I feel like that was the last huge cultural one in the last decade or so
pizzamachine 04.19.23	When I look at a planet I realize I hate people
Colton 04.19.23	i mean yeah if you can believe that a person's inherent characteristics and the basis for their actions is based on the month they were born of course you can believe it's based on their race as well
MoM 04.19.23	Well, surrogate racism is likely much too extreme of a term, but in a discriminatory sense, I’ve seen plenty of people form harsh opinions of people based solely on astrological signs. Like, full on “i won’t associate with them; they’re trash or untrustworthy” kind of crap. Definitely not the extremes racism can reach, but at the very least, stereotypical hate crap
heyadam 04.19.23	@uncle just a lot of the symbols and language used in it def come from a lot of wild Hellenistic and then Medieval understandings of race and culture -- and then there being hella weird applications of astrology being able to tell physical descriptors (just a bunch of yikes mines there) and generally predictive astrology being sus
MoM 04.19.23	As surrogate racism, maybe some people look for ANY reason to find a group of people to scapegoat for problems or behavior they don’t like/understand, and race being an easier one to identify, but racism is (rightfully) socially maligned, whereas hating someone based on astrology makes them also look stupid, but isn’t painted as evil
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Anyone fucks with tea leaf readings? Shits 💯
heyadam 04.19.23	not saying "don't like astrology bc racist," bc again it just comes back down to how you want to engage with it. Pretty much like every other hobby/interest/area of study lol
heyadam 04.19.23	I love green tea bro
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	Green tea is the best tea especially with a bit of honey
PotsyTater 04.19.23	I’m not not opposed to rounding up and euthanizing all the Virgo’s
Colton 04.19.23	chamomile tea is vastly better than green
heyadam 04.19.23	chamomile is chamomiles worse
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Chai is best, but not like those blasphemous chai tea bags I mean like actual authentic stove brewed chai
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	Chamomile isn't tea and therefore is disqualified anyway
Colton 04.19.23	if you're under 35 and drinking tea though you're kinda giving up on life a bit
heyadam 04.19.23	or ur asian like me and refuse to be haunted ancestrally for turning ur back on the leaves
PotsyTater 04.19.23	I drank chai every single morning in my early 20s as a substitute for coffee Now I pretty much only drink tea when I’m sick because I have a really nice espresso machine and all other hot beverages are ruined
MoM 04.19.23	“ turning ur back on the leaves” Leaves Turn Outside You
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	I drink green tea on days I have to go into the office because I don't like how the caffeine in coffee hits me. Green tea has far less which works better for me
PotsyTater 04.19.23	I also heavily fucksted with matcha for a while
unclereich 04.19.23	Thanks for the explanation adam. I should have probably assumed the lengths that some folks take it to. I’ve definitely overheard people in old circles of mine talk about how they’d never date a Scorpio or an Aquarius. Easy to see how covert racism could sneak its way in there. Sounds like catholics and Protestants
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Caffeine in tea definitely hits different
Colton 04.19.23	people give you this spiel about how most people just read about astrology for fun and don’t take it serious etc. it’s horseshit, all these astrology girls 100% believe in that shit
unclereich 04.19.23	I drink diet Arnold Palmer half and half. That shit slaps
unclereich 04.19.23	I don’t mean to sound harsh but yea I agree with you coltron a lot of the folks spreading the negativity within astro seem to be ladies
heyadam 04.19.23	matcha is the goat to me - so fuckin good @uncle yeee, I particular hate the weird physical descriptor astrology. like if you just google your sun sign and read some random websites articles, chances are you'll stumble on something like "these people usually look luminous, strong jaw, focused eyes, and are good dancers" or some shit like that lol
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	Dang reich, my Sun and Moon sign? and to think I was gonna ask one of them out
unclereich 04.19.23	What’s your bday ars
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	February 11th
PotsyTater 04.19.23	The worst is people that give you the “I don’t believe in astrology but…” spiel and then literally post astrology memes every single day. And if you think astrology girls are obnoxious about it, just wait til you meet astrology gays
Colton 04.19.23	the two types of people in astrology: 1) people who actually fully believe the month you were born determines your characteristics 2) people pretending it’s just for fun so they can halfway support it because it makes it easier to get laid
heyadam 04.19.23	hahaha I pray for all of the gays that have to sit on a coffee date getting asked about astrology and not giving any shits about it. be strong out there
Colton 04.19.23	and 3) normaloctagon
unclereich 04.19.23	Mines Jan 27. Sorry ars we can’t date my moon sign is Leo evidently
unclereich 04.19.23	“and 3) normaloctagon” Hahahahahaha
heyadam 04.19.23	it made me sad when Shaggy said "zoinks" when he heard what my rising sign was
GhandhiLion 04.19.23	Isn't astrology vastly more arbitrary than HEXACO/BIG 5/MBTI/Enneagram ?
ArsMoriendi 04.19.23	What even is HEXACO, sounds like a Gas Station
heyadam 04.19.23	it does lmao. idk I think it's on the same exact level tbh. just a systematized way of trying to understand behavior and personality. Even tho some of the main personality typing systems have psychologists attached to them, a lot of it is pseudoscience at best and just open to interpretation (see Astrology)
GhandhiLion 04.19.23	I should investigate that further as I know very little about the topic, but intuitively I'd say that there is a significant difference between astrology and psychometrics. I would posit that personal observations can be a somewhat reliable way of assessing yourself. I don't see how categorisations based on birth date are comparable to that. I need to look into Jungs 'cognitive functions' and it's critics.
Hyperion1001 04.19.23	meyers-briggs is also bunk and has basically no scientific basis. the more you learn about psychology the more you realize a lot of it has dubious “science” behind it.
heyadam 04.19.23	^^ To me, the main difference is that if you are someone that is using any personality typing systems or astrology to try and help understand yourself better, you're more prone to "magical" (not derogatory) in general. I just think it's easier to hide that fact if you dive into pseudoscience because you can convince yourself that it's based in hard fact. People that dive into Astrology may believe that Astrology is also based in hard fact, but it's just more obviously mystical in nature and requires a "leap of faith" if you want to believe any of it. MBTI/Enneagram/Big 5 etc. also all require a leap of faith and is mystical in nature, but it's just wrapped in a different package than Astrology.
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Posit deez ghandhi
Trebor. 04.19.23	I don't know why anyone would think magic like astrology exists
heyadam 04.19.23	as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody, whatever it takes to get through the day I guess lol
Trebor. 04.19.23	I just don't get it. Like why would anyone not want to think they're a unique person who experiences every emotion just like everyone else and want to believe the month they were born in somehow governs their personality and how that could possibly help you understand yourself better when it's made up. Like just think about your feelings and habits and stuff like a normal person instead of reading about the magic powers of stars and the moon or whatever. I don't know why this shit triggers me so much but it does. To me it's the same as thinking the Earth is flat but even more annoying
neekafat 04.19.23	did we ever do an astrology census? i feel like there has to have been several I'm a Taurus btw
neekafat 04.19.23	"To me it's the same as thinking the Earth is flat but even more annoying" i was with you until this lol its fun to talk to girls about at parties
DocSportello 04.19.23	well i do have a nice growing collection of novelty tarot decks and sometimes i will track the international space station and watch it fly over — now that’s a “star” i can “feel” lol
heyadam 04.19.23	“did we ever do an astrology census? i feel like there has to have been several I'm a Taurus btw” I don’t think so? Or I haven’t seen it at least lol And I get it Trebor, but I mean I guess similar to religious inclinations right? It’s understandable (at least to me) why people are religious
Colton 04.19.23	imagine going to some bush party in idaho and seeing neeka in a cardigan sipping pinot grigio and asking girls what their sign is and if they listen to boygenius
PotsyTater 04.19.23	“ a unique person who experiences every emotion just like everyone else”
DocSportello 04.19.23	check bachelard
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Treb people have blindspots. The idea of parables in any form of story telling or mythology is similar to the idea of creating tropes and archetypes in that they can help create relatable characters, situations, scenarios, stories etc etc etc. sometimes it takes relating to something to come to new conclusions. As an avid film buff I’m sure you have related to characters in film and have had the circumstances they’ve navigated change your perspective on things and help you make positive realizations. As silly as it may be, relating to an “aspect” of an astrological sign or a daily or weekly horoscope etc etc is pretty much the same idea. No it’s not real but that doesn’t mean it can’t help you think about yourself or your circumstances from different perspectives or consider any flaws you might feel you have. That’s the way I see it anyway. Everybody has different ways to make sense of their place in the world. It matters very little to me what approach to that people take as long as it isn’t at the expensive of anyone else’s well being, and as long as it isn’t a tool to enable bad behaviour. And as long as they aren’t annoying as fuck about it
DocSportello 04.19.23	nice. amen
Manatea 04.19.23	Sag sun Virgo moon Leo rising Super strange combo. I get really weird about stupid little routines i set up for myself and I’m really dramatic and vocal about it.
anode 04.19.23	I ALWAYS lie about my star sign and as soon as they say ohh yeah that makes a lot of sense I get with the gotcha lol
Ryus 04.19.23	"if you're under 35 and drinking tea though you're kinda giving up on life a bit" tea is a divine substance
rabidfish 04.19.23	Im a Libra that's all I care to know
Hyperion1001 04.19.23	i don’t believe in astrology of course, but what I do like about it and other similar flavors of mysticism is that they engender this idea in people that they are intrinsically linked to the natural world, not separate from it. i think one of the most harmful worldviews humans have built is that we are somehow separate and greater than earth and it’s natural systems, and any way of thinking that challenges this I think is doing some good. just don’t mistreat people because of their birthday.
Colton 04.19.23	how anyone could ever feel separated from the earth and its natural systems is beyond me when our lives are filled with constant daily reminders of it
JohnnyoftheWell 04.19.23	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/take_for_granted
Colton 04.19.23	if you can’t see how the reality of our biology grounds us to the natural world I find it unlikely that the fiction of astrology will in any meaningful way
JefferyPigglestein 04.19.23	thats crazy dude have you tried dmt
Colton 04.19.23	i have 3 times it's pretty wild
DocSportello 04.19.23	the lives of baby turtles mirror the lives of stellar objects. hatchlings not picked off by birds sharks or other predators will spend their time seeking a diet of HYDROGEN
heyadam 04.19.23	ya'll it's all just about symbology lmao. some people resonate more with symbols and rely on them for communication and understanding rather than just a purely naturalist way of thinking. we've been doing this as a species forever, and astrology is just an en vogue system for that atm
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Yeah
DocSportello 04.19.23	tru!
Colton 04.19.23	how exactly is astrology symbology
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Well first of all the signs are called astrological symbols and each one is literally a symbol
PotsyTater 04.19.23	I think from there it’s a bit self explanatory
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Each is meant to be symbolic of a series of traits, elements, and means of expression
Ryus 04.19.23	colton be stayin 179° degrees
RosaParks 04.19.23	PotsyTater 04.18.23 [Report this Post] Aquarius b like “I don’t believe in astrology” https://i.redd.it/nrpc9k690ta71.jpg yes
DocSportello 04.19.23	peak apophenia: organizing clusters of human tendency according to patterns etched in the sky by the old light of distantly separated stars it's fun but too commoditized now imo, same with Myers briggs, slightly less so with enneagram i guess
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Am I supposed to be the person crying behind the Chad mask for some reason
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Or is it Aquarius hiding behind a Chad mask pretending not to believe in astrology
heyadam 04.19.23	ie Sagittarius is “represented” by (read “the symbol of Sagittarius is”) the centaur or archer. Archer means xyz, therefore if you’re a Sagittarius you might have inclinations towards applying xyz on how to approach different things. You look at the symbol, the symbol carries with it metaphors and abstract ideas, and you try to apply those metaphors or ideas to given situations or as a way to reflect. That’s literally the basis for the popular form of astrology. There’s other aspects that I personally think are wack, but using symbols is just a normal part of life
RosaParks 04.19.23	it's me potsy
Colton 04.19.23	in the context of adam's point about relying on them for communication and understanding it feels contradictory to have an attachment to symbols that pertain to such explicitly defined characteristics
PotsyTater 04.19.23	@heyadam Yes like how Aquarius is represented by the image of a crying guy wearing a Chad mask
PotsyTater 04.19.23	“ it's me potsy” Love it
heyadam 04.19.23	I mean yeee it’s a valid critique Colton, but I think my point is that your beef probably isnt with just astrology at this point, but with how we interact with symbols in general in culture. A sag getting meaning from the symbol of the archer is the same as a Christian and the cross, Buddhist and the lotus, etc etc Even secularly, character archetypes in fiction and stuff like that are the same
heyadam 04.19.23	Chads don’t cry astrology is bs
heyadam 04.19.23	but since I'm a beta pisces moon I cry so I think astrology is onto something
RosaParks 04.19.23	my boss at tesla read my birth chart to me and my eyes rolled into the back of my head
PotsyTater 04.19.23	And like how scorpio is represented by a little skull and cross bones
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Oh wait that’s whmis for toxic
Colton 04.19.23	I think the way symbolism is interpreted differs based on whether it's more of a static description of your innate characteristics like astrology offers, or some kind of prescriptive guideline of morality, although both are certainly open for interpretation. either way I think the world would be better off if people were able to find their own sense of meaning in things
PotsyTater 04.19.23	@rosa “if you are born under the sign of Aquarius you are probably rolling your eyes right now”
heyadam 04.19.23	"either way I think the world would be better off if people were able to find their own sense of meaning in things" Ya but I guess what I'm saying is that symbology is the way people are able to find their own sense of meaning haha. Sometimes you can't articulate "sense of meaning" with just words, hence the symbols aspect. I don't think anyone should buy anything wholesale, esp a bunch of static descriptions based on a metaphor someone made up about a planet haha, but I also don't think that's always the most generous interpretation of what some forms of Astrology actually are offering is all.
heyadam 04.19.23	Caillou is an Aquarius and he rolls his eyes every time he has to do chores so that checks out
PotsyTater 04.19.23	I don’t see how acknowledging pre-existing queues excludes someone from finding their own meaning in things (that’s what interpretation is), tho that certainly may be true for zealots
Colton 04.19.23	it feels like the meaning of it has to be static when it's based on criteria that never changes
RosaParks 04.19.23	my eyes roll back when i nut but he keep suckin
PotsyTater 04.19.23	I mean people do take A LOT of liberty with the criteria for things like astrology and tarots and shit like that to suit their purposes
PotsyTater 04.19.23	It’s like psychics “start as vague as possible and start refining once you get a reaction” 😂
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Someone in this room has a brother
DocSportello 04.19.23	"either way I think the world would be better off if people were able to find their own sense of meaning in things" if ur sayin what i think ur sayin I'm sorry bud but ur describing literal nothingness lol
Colton 04.19.23	because it’s impossible to find your own meaning and belief outside of arbitrary prescriptive systems like astrology and religion?
PotsyTater 04.19.23	It is impossible without Jesus yes
Sinternet 04.19.23	cap sun libra moon cancer rising i have no idea about the rest or what it all means
DocSportello 04.19.23	where'd YOU learn YOUR words from? (not u sint)
heyadam 04.19.23	this is why we never found Kony, no one can agree on anything smh
Egarran 04.19.23	What is sputnik's zodiac sign? It's obviously going through some spiritual changes these days.
Colton 04.19.23	doc what were you trying to say about nothingness
DocSportello 04.19.23	I "think to an extent" that all experience is informed by encounters with "arbitrary systems". but like I also "get" what you were saying about self-cultivation
heyadam 04.19.23	"because it’s impossible to find your own meaning and belief outside of arbitrary prescriptive systems like astrology and religion? No, but non religious/mystical systems also rely symbology lol. Evolution uses symbology all of the time (Darwin's description of the complexity of the eye, peacock's feather etc., natural selection being philosophical in nature) Our understanding of mathematics and theoretical physics is entirely symbology, so I think where the point of contention is how that symbology is used? Meaning can't be created in a vacuum, you have to use symbols and language to express the meaning. You may not find inherent value in particular symbols and may even think particular symbols are destructive and a net negative, but you can't avoid interacting with them and any meaning you derive has to manifest into something (ie a symbol).
PotsyTater 04.19.23	Based
parksungjoon 04.19.23	where do i go to vote docsportello and heyadam for underrated users
Ryus 04.19.23	the sputties are next week stay tuned im hoping to win most annoying user this year
parksungjoon 04.19.23	no shot
Ryus 04.19.23	i have the academy by the purse strings, they shall do my bidding
parksungjoon 04.19.23	does the academy still think thrice shit on radiohead or what have you
GhandhiLion 04.19.23	yo parks how you doing
heyadam 04.19.23	the stars control voting this year, but thanks park
GhandhiLion 04.19.23	oh parks was JefferyPigglestein
heyadam 04.19.23	< 3
DocSportello 04.19.23	aww : ) this site has helped me stay sane more than u know
Hyperion1001 04.19.23	crazy that this thread in the one that resurrected park
heyadam 04.19.23	we attempt the park resurrection once a year tbh
rabidfish 04.19.23	a Baudellerian read on the zodiac and horoscope obsession would go something like... We put our loss of fatality back in the skies, where the arcons rule our determined fate. These arcons are no longer causing us pestilence, death and despair (we are CIVILIZED, we have REASON and SCIENCE!), but they still hold the ineffable power of destiny. Our time of birth is sealed, the stars locked in place from the very beggining. You have a role in a story that starts to unfold as you are born and ends when you die, the stage is set by the powers above you, you can read the script and change it (somewhat) if you just play ball and accept your role in it. Just don't forget these are the arcons, the demiurges, the opressors and the tyrants. It's still letting the Other rule over you, in a sense. Oh, but don't forget that it's still only you. (like that line in UNDERTALE!)
anode 04.20.23	^yeah
anode 04.20.23	i love colton trying to take an objective and didactive take on fucking star signs lol the fact of the matter is that they are completely arbitrary and have no foundation in anything whatsoever. yeah its fun symbology. just like it would be fun symbology to take meaning from the pattern of leaves on the ground. not to mention schizophrenic
PotsyTater 04.20.23	Based and danke
Colton 04.20.23	"No, but non religious/mystical systems also rely symbology lol. Evolution uses symbology all of the time (Darwin's description of the complexity of the eye, peacock's feather etc., natural selection being philosophical in nature) Our understanding of mathematics and theoretical physics is entirely symbology" you can use symbols to represent pretty much anything. doesn't mean those things actually have anything in common
JohnnyoftheWell 04.20.23	sputiotics list when
Egarran 04.20.23	AS ABOVE SO BELOW