SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | I sense DotEight will make himself look like an idiot in this thread |
DotEight
11.15.12 | Like my mom has said for 15 years:
"Bomb Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, and the shit will be over".
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ILJ
11.15.12 | You can't just bomb a dozen nations because you can. |
Calc
11.15.12 | whoo looks like i know where im going!!!!! |
DotEight
11.15.12 | I never said we ever could, or would. But it sure would save a lot of our troops. I'm fucking tired of this war, it's been going on since I was in 8th grade. And we haven't done shit. |
Tyler.
11.15.12 | this is going to be interesting |
menawati
11.15.12 | once we got alternative to fossil fuels no one will give a fuk about the region neway |
FictionalFlames
11.15.12 | reddit |
DotEight
11.15.12 | "once we got alternative to fossil fuels no one will give a fuk about the region neway"
Winning statement.
I hope we do find a way to mass-produce alternative fuels, then this can be over. |
Calc
11.15.12 | "And we haven't done shit."
you have no idea my friend. |
J0ckstrapsFTW
11.15.12 | Nah dot we need nukes not bombs lol |
Cygnatti
11.15.12 | dammit
"once we got alternative to fossil fuels no one will give a fuk about the region neway"
qft |
DotEight
11.15.12 | "you have no idea my friend."
I have a pretty good idea, 3 family members that have served 4 tours in Iraq / Afghanistan. It's a pointless war, always has been. But I don't want to get into it Calc, you're a good dude. |
Calc
11.15.12 | i wouldn't have anyway but i still disagree that nothing was accomplished |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | well obama doesnt answer to anyone. if he decided to launch nukes on the middle east he could and no one could stop him without committing treason |
DotEight
11.15.12 | Well on that front I agree, I just don't get why the hell we're still over there, 10 years later. |
Calc
11.15.12 | "if he decided to launch nukes on the middle east he could and no one could stop him without committing treason"
obama answers to congress and the house of reps, its checks and balances. unless he stole launch codes and secret-squirreled his ass onto a sub or something he can't just launch a nuke because he wants to |
MusicIsMyFavorite
11.15.12 | He wouldn't nuke the area anyway, he was all over Israel's dick during the election |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | yeh he can. he's the commander in chief. he could do what he wants. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | "The President can issue rules, regulations, and instructions called executive orders, which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies but do not require congressional approval." |
MusicIsMyFavorite
11.15.12 | Aside from the massive implications of using a nuclear weapon, there are like a dozen reasons why he wouldn't do it. And I'm not sure who actually has command of the nukes themselves |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | "The President does retain the sole right to authorize the use of nuclear weapons and is constantly accompanied by a special military officer who carries the "nuclear football" |
menawati
11.15.12 | "unless he stole launch codes and secret-squirreled his ass onto a sub or something he can't just
launch a nuke because he wants to"
secret-squirrel was great |
DotEight
11.15.12 | "yeh he can. he's the commander in chief. he could do what he wants."
Oh what a misinformed citizen. |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | DotEight implying human troops lives are more valuable than middle eastern citizen lives
They signed up for this you know |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | @DotEight
with regards to launching nukes, yeh he can. read up child |
Calc
11.15.12 | "yeh he can. he's the commander in chief. he could do what he wants."
uhh no he can't.....being in the army if he told me to drop my pants in public i could say no. and if i got in trouble I could sue the gubment if i wanted to. he can't do whatever he wants. |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | We are in the age where presidents declare war without Congress and no one gives a shit so I wouldn't put it past em to nuke people without permission
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DotEight
11.15.12 | Good point, agreed. But it's still a pointless war, we already got Osama. We need to just pull out and let the troops see their wives and children.
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SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | how about you actually support what you say with evidence doteight? |
DotEight
11.15.12 | But call me optimistic. |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | Never should have been there in the first place, but yeah without sounding like Captain Hindsight send em home |
DotEight
11.15.12 | "how about you actually support what you say with evidence doteight?"
I did earlier you stupid fuck. Shut up. Every comment I've seen by you is retarded.
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SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | Ummm
IM TALKING ABOUT NUKES GODDAMN IT NOT DROPPING YOUR PANTS FUCKSHITCUNT |
MusicIsMyFavorite
11.15.12 | This is Israel, people
Not Afghanistan |
Calc
11.15.12 | dont get mad little man, it was an example. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | lol
no u havent
and im right you just cant admit it |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | sarcasm calc, sarcasm |
wabbit
11.15.12 | just as bad.
Israel just has a bit more money. |
DotEight
11.15.12 | Okay lol, I'm sorry not to get offended by your attempts to piss me off. |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | Those idiots need to stop fighting each other over their equally ridiculous religions and share some humus or something |
wabbit
11.15.12 | but yeah obviously an american soldier is worth a lot more than some poor ignorant muslim, how is that even up for debate?
Africa proves that people not from the first world matter a lot less. |
Calc
11.15.12 | despite your pseudo-bohemian appreance and vaguely leftist doctrine of beliefs, you know nothing about the art of sex you couldnt read in any trendy, new york, underground fashion magazine. |
MusicIsMyFavorite
11.15.12 | The fight is over Israel's occupation of Palestine and the treatment of Palestinian civilians |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | im not trying to piss anyone off.
in summary what i meant by all this was....
if Obama decided he wanted to nuke ANYWHERE outside of US territory, it would be constitutionally within his power. He may face war crimes charges later, but he could still legally do it without congressional approval or anything |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | They invented civilization ffs
We're the ones who invented nukes and shit |
Calc
11.15.12 | your the one who seemed angry turning it around on me wont work so well. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | and without having to squirrel his way anywhere ;)
wait what? When was i angry |
DotEight
11.15.12 | "if Obama decided he wanted to nuke ANYWHERE outside of US territory, it would be constitutionally within his power. He may face war crimes charges later, but he could still legally do it without congressional approval or anything"
You do know the President has LITERALLY like ten percent control of what passes and what doesnt? Open your fucking eyes, retard. |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | If you do something and then get in trouble for it that's not legal. If he would face war crimes for it then it's not within his legal rights
Like just because I can kill a guy doesn't mean it's legal, I'll get arrested and shit later my word |
menawati
11.15.12 | fuk secret squirrel get undercover elephant on the job |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | Fuck
im not talking about policy, im talking about nukes and only nukes. He could grab the nuclear football of his officer, open it up and launch a missile
AND IT WOULD BE LEGAL IN AMERICA |
Calc
11.15.12 | and treb drops the logic nuke up in here. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | http://epwilbur.com/2009/12/31/presidential-authority-to-launch-a-nuclear-attack/
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Calc
11.15.12 | "im not talking about policy, im talking about nukes and only nukes. He could grab the nuclear football of his officer, open it up and launch a missile
AND IT WOULD BE LEGAL IN AMERICA"
thats all it takes huh? no confirmations from the sec of defense or the head of the place where the nuke is housed? nothing? |
menawati
11.15.12 | he keeps a football with nuclear missiles in, damn tech really moves on |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | haha mena
and yeh calc he can. Without any consultation from anyone.
im a bit of a history nut, i research this kind of stuff a lot :p |
Calc
11.15.12 | i highly,greatly,sincerely, absolutely doubt that. |
ILJ
11.15.12 | wow this thread went to utter shit in like 20 seconds. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | hey man believe what you want. im just giving you the truth |
Calc
11.15.12 | and its all my fault. |
MusicIsMyFavorite
11.15.12 | threads about the middle east tend to do that |
ILJ
11.15.12 | well it is entertaining to read at least.
but yeah this whole situation probably won't end well |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | BRING BACK THE WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | Like I said, just because you can do something, doesn't make it legal or make you immune from punishment
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DrMaximus
11.15.12 | "but yeah obviously an american soldier is worth a lot more than some poor ignorant muslim, how is that even up for debate?"
What an abhorrent statement. |
DrMaximus
11.15.12 | ^ this |
Recspecs
11.15.12 | "Like my mom has said for 15 years:
"Bomb Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, and the shit will be over"."
Holy shit you are a fucking idiot now I remember why I don't like you. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | yeh doteight is queef |
ILJ
11.15.12 | tax the rich! [2] |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | why tax people/families that have worked hard to be successful and give the money to people that were too lazy to truly make something of themselves? |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | Ummmmm most rich people were either born into money, or became rich of the backs of workers and what not, and my word sharing is caring
Implying all poor people are lazy my word stop drinking the Fox News kool-aid |
menawati
11.15.12 | what about us who came from families that were poorer than a church mouse who had just lost his job and whose wife has run off with his life savings but worked our way up through hard work why should we pay for some lazy bad back workshy fop who spends his days at the betting shop ? |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | i recant that statement
most of the people were too lazy, not all
And if they were born into that money, that money was made from their families' hard work, and others have no claim to it. In australia, if you're an unemployed mother and father with a few kids, you can make almost as much as a a family with one working parent and a stay at home parent (in the form of government rebates, subsidies, welfare etc)
Where my parents, who have studied at uni for almost 17 years between them and have worked for 40 years get taxed to the shithouse and get no help from the government because they worked hard and achieved |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | is that fair? |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | People that make more than 250,000 dollars a year pay less taxes under the Bush tax cuts, all we're asking is that they pay their fair share and maybe share some of their wealth that they don't need so children don't go hungry or homeless and what not
Why is Australia relevant in this discussion my word |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | maybe cause the US and the middle east aren't the only countries in the world?
and we were talking about taxing the rich, so i chipped in with some examples is all |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | and australia is as relevant in this discussion as the US is |
menawati
11.15.12 | i dont mind being taxed but it's annoying seeing most of it wasted by the total cocks in govt (talking about the UK) |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | We're talking about US politics here so no Australian policies are not relevant |
DrMaximus
11.15.12 | "why tax people/families that have worked hard to be successful and give the money to people that were too lazy to truly make something of themselves?"
Easily the stupidest argument against taxing the rich. 1. Rich people have the money to pay higher taxes so they should. 2. The people who became rich used society's resources, such as infrastructure and workers, so its only fair that they pay higher taxes because without society's help, they wouldn't be rich. 3. Implying that all poor people are lazy is extremely ignorant.
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SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | yeh i can agree with treb in saying everyone should pay their fair share, but rich people shouldn't get taxed extra percentages just cause they earn more, and therefore most probably worked hard for it is all im saying
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SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | @dr maximus
i realized that and stated that i recant what i said then.
sooo why did you post that part? |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | and rich people do pay higher taxes (in aus at least)
but everyone should pay the same percentage. therefore rich people will get taxed more, but the percentage is fair and even |
DrMaximus
11.15.12 | @Simbolic my bad, didn't see that |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | @DrMaximus
haha all good |
menawati
11.15.12 | Actually i dont mind paying income tax in the UK because it was brought in long ago to make war with the French. I just wish we'd get on with it though and strike Paris with a few Vulcan bombers. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | lel |
NeoSpaz
11.15.12 | shiieeeeet. |
menawati
11.15.12 | how did this get onto tax anyway |
NeoSpaz
11.15.12 | 'Tax the rich' |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | ^ yeh talk about blowing up
speaking of.....
looks like the middle east is gonna be blowing up if iran gets involve |
menawati
11.15.12 | fuking religion, if it was atheists in that region they'd be fighting about proper things like oil ownership |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | not religion's fault
its the fault of people that are indoctrinated with hate
and i'd rather fight for a set of beliefs than material possessions
(not saying i agree with iran/israel) |
menawati
11.15.12 | beliefs like revolting against oppression yes fine worth fighting for but not over my god is better than yours crap |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | yeh agreed |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | its not even that tho. muslims hate jews cause they apparently killed mohammed or sum crap |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | Umm dude, they hate each other because their holy land is the same little spot and they're constantly fighting over land control and shit |
menawati
11.15.12 | ye thats why christian crusaders were so hot for the place its because they were true warriors of god....and they could pillage and make a name for themselves and gain prestige and lands back home of course |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | hey potato.
dont click on the thread
OH MY GOD PROBLEM SOLVED |
Trebor.
11.15.12 | SIMBOLIC
Actually know what you're talking about before posting
Problem solved |
Tesla
11.15.12 | Terrible idea, Israel launching the offensive into Gaza. Israel is a Jewish country surrounded by extremist Muslim nations that wouldn't even hesitate to jihad their asses. Knowing the U.S. and how we love to pretend to care about our "allies", we'll probably support them if this ends up becoming another pointless battle. I can't blame the other countries for being pissed though, to them it's an invasion. |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | Hey trebor
its also because the jews rejected mohammed and he started attacking their settlements etc with some buddies.
then he was poisoned and the muslims blame the jews for it.
Know what you're talking about before posting treb |
NeoSpaz
11.15.12 | 'jihad their ass'
Implying jihad is a verb |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | yeh but you get the point :/ |
Wolfhorde
11.15.12 | I usually don't always agree with 'specs but holy shit he's right. And people believing in monocausal 'scapegoat' explanations should shut the fuck up if they apparently haven't even heard of historical continuity or know shit about their own economy. |
Hyperion1001
11.15.12 | not even gonna bother reading this thread |
Satellite
11.15.12 | "thats all it takes huh? no confirmations from the sec of defense or the head of the place where the nuke is housed? nothing?"
why would the commander in chief need approval from his subordinates? |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | ^finally |
Tesla
11.15.12 | Jihad can be used as a verb, too. In this way it means to take revenge for misfortunes, but whether that's true or not, well that doesn't matter. What matters is the fate of this country, are we going to continue to support countries that pretty much ask for war? -Long political rant ensues spanning several hours- |
porch
11.15.12 | SIMBOLIC PREDICTED IT |
SIMBOLIC
11.15.12 | I KNOW RIGHT? DIDN"T TAKE LONG EITHER |
ViperAces
11.15.12 | sup |
ViperAces
11.15.12 | no one even mentioned me fuck you guys :( |
Keyblade
11.15.12 | it took like 100 comments to get on topic damn. |
