East Hastings: The Longest Thread About "Straight Edge"

East Hastings 02.07.12	i hate everybody at my school
Trebor. 02.07.12	I've only served 19 YEARS OF MY LIFE
kris. 02.07.12	cool
East Hastings 02.07.12	apparently you can, in burbank, california
Trebor. 02.07.12	Even the popular girls smoke weed in LA county
DinoX 02.07.12	Being edge is hard man, stay true.
Trebor. 02.07.12	It is, most of the kids at my jr. high were on something
DinoX 02.07.12	I am of age to drink and I am edge do I win a medal?
Shuyin 02.07.12	cannibal cor.. oh he didnt asked for recs.. nvm then
FearThyEvil 02.07.12	I'm straightedge. I'm not proud of it but it's whatever. Could never get into drinking or smoking at all.
pmmets07 02.07.12	in the same boat brother
East Hastings 02.07.12	i don't have a problem staying away from shit, i just end up hating every person that brags about doing it
Trebor. 02.07.12	i'm straight edge I guess, and I not proud of it just whatever, yeah like andcas said
FearThyEvil 02.07.12	I don't know how you could possibly brag about being straight edge unless you had a HARD ass time when dealing with drugs and alcohol and you had to become straight edge. My cousin has to be straight edge because he's going to be a father and he almost lost his life in a car accident like 6years ago.
DinoX 02.07.12	The bragging pisses me off to no end. I hear it everywhere I go! Why should you or anyone else be proud of you because you got 'totally wasted'? It takes zero intellect to get yourself piss drunk, it takes restraint to know when to stop. Yet everyday I hear people say: 'oh dude I got so fucked up on the weekend lulz' 'omg nice man' high fives fucking ridiculous.
wabbit 02.07.12	I think it was satty who said "someone who defines themselves by what they don't do is retarded"
IAmHollywood 02.07.12	I was edge back in 5th grade... peer pressure is a bitch man
FearThyEvil 02.07.12	Agreed with above. To what Dino and Andcas are saying.
Trebor. 02.07.12	yeah, like fuck I'm not a non smoker I'm just a person I just want a person room at a hotel
East Hastings 02.07.12	andcas, definitely have never said that and that's not the kind of bragging i meant
pmmets07 02.07.12	what's ironic is that there is an edge kid who goes to my schol, and at first i thought we'd be buddies because we're both into hardcore (although he's mainly into easycore and stuff like fys), but as it turns out, he's a pretty boring dude.
Eko 02.07.12	I don't get why people try to associate themselves with some sort of movement like edge if they don't want to drink smoke etc. if you don't want to, don't.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Drugs are gay.
DinoX 02.07.12	I disagree with the whole not doing something argument because drugs/ alcohol are so ubiquitous that is a literal impossibility for people to be completely different to the fact when it constantly pushed in your face. It takes an active role to say to no to it rather than an indifference to search into it.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Drugs are gay.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Why did it double post wth
Trebor. 02.07.12	If you don't do drugs for religious reasons then you are really gay
East Hastings 02.07.12	i dont really ever call myself "edge" or any of that shit, especially not at school (nobody knows what it means) but i had no other way to bring up this topic haha
DinoX 02.07.12
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	I don't do drugs simply cause I'm not getting my life sucked in by them. And I want to stay clear-headed
wabbit 02.07.12	and I totally understand why people brag about drinking a lot. It's the same reason why guys brag about having sex with more girls, lifting more weights, having more music on their computer, being better at sports, running faster, making more money.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Yes trebor, I know that post was directed towards me
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Jesus is n my heart potato
DinoX 02.07.12	Fuck it I am superior. The whole argument of 'well you are no better than me' is a dick measuring contest to see who can show the least reaction. It does make you better to be able to enjoy yourself, your life and those around you without having to resort to substances altering your reality and to stare the peer pressure right in the face without letting up. It takes a strong morally confident person to be able to pull it off rather than taking the easy way out. So fuck you.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	there is nothing you can do, or not do, that makes anyone better than anyone else. theres a romney joke in here somewhere but i think it's the wrong thread
FromDaHood 02.07.12	"People who are edge for themselves keep it to themselves" ^probably the truest shit ever said. This kid that went to my school went around preaching the greatness of edge lifestyle and everyone got so sick of him that even his best friend almost stopped talking to him.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Good word Dino
DinoX 02.07.12	Nobody is equal saying so is just a result of the 'you can do it if you believe yourself' bullshit. People have different abilities, intellects and understandings of the world. Those who have a stronger understanding of their world, situation and surroundings are vastly intellectually superior. IQ exists for a reason we aren't all born with equal opportunity or clarity.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	I guess I'm edge even though I've never claimed being edge. Like, I don't drink or smoke and have no intention on doing so, but I don't force it down peoples throats that they have to not drink or smoke too. I also hate when people who do do that stuff parade it so everyone can see. My ex posts pictures of herself smoking a blunt and posts "sparking it up" at least once a day. It's funny cause people mistake me for a pot head because I'm "laid back", have long hair, and bags under my eyes due to lack of sleep.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	dino youre being a moron stop being a moron
DinoX 02.07.12	Attacking me for questioning your perceived ideals won't make them any more valid.
East Hastings 02.07.12	yea zilbel thats more along the lines of what i was saying haha
FromDaHood 02.07.12	My IQ is high, half of my friends don't drink, and I know the dangers, but I still drink anyway. It's all just a choice and I choose to have fun rather than wallow in social anxiety.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Shit got real
Trebor. 02.07.12	yeah nothing wrong with smoking a joint for the tough shit in your life, or a couple beers or whatever
wabbit 02.07.12	beer tastes really good. That's the thing that I don't understand about edge. Like holy shit it tastes good.
East Hastings 02.07.12	fair enough andcas
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	You can have fun without altering your state of mind though. That's the big part
DinoX 02.07.12	@fromdahood: A.k.a choose to abandon your ideals to a practice against your own morality for the sake of conformity and comfort instead of facing the objective truth before you. Ok.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Fuck, I think beer is disgusting
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	Ahh okay. Yeah I have friends that do that and I just let them be. It's their life, ya know?
FromDaHood 02.07.12	That's the douchiest thing I've ever read
Trebor. 02.07.12	Beer tastes like shit to me I always thought it was going to taste like cream soda when I was a kid so I had really high expectations
Tyrannic 02.07.12	"Those who have a stronger understanding of their world, situation and surroundings are vastly intellectually superior. IQ exists for a reason we aren't all born with equal opportunity or clarity." wow alright 1. an understanding (not necessarily an acceptance) of drugs allows for a better understanding of the (wait for it) world, situation, and surroundings of those without the highhorse stupidity you're so casually spewing. 2. people who don't do drugs are intellectually superior? you're trolling right? 3. IQ actually doesn't exist, because it's kind of made up using bullshit and historically racist standards for those tests. only in recent years have they become even somewhat valid, and even at this point the psychology community doesn't really think they work at all. so...you're wrong. very very wrong.
DinoX 02.07.12	In real life I don't bother people about it because I know I am not going to be able to alter integrated social convention. However I am just stating my opinion, I don't generally force it on others, I am always bothered to see the other side yet when I express my opinion I become a 'jaded faggot'.
botb 02.07.12	you guys know that if you don't drink or don't smoke you don't have to be like "yo im edge" so to the guys that said "i guess im edge" in this thread, just tell everyone you're sober, way way easier and there's no bullshit labeling behind it.
DinoX 02.07.12	IQ has no correlation to drinking I never stated it did. I am saying intellect varies in degree which is the basis for the judgement of someone's worth.
wabbit 02.07.12	other thing I don't get about edge: you know Ian MacKaye fucking hates you guys right?
DinoX 02.07.12	If I knew who he was maybe I'd give the slightest fuck
East Hastings 02.07.12	oh, ian
Tyrannic 02.07.12	so the only people worth anything are only those with intellect? you're trolling right? [2]
FromDaHood 02.07.12	And Dino, look. I know how cool it is to be straightedge, I wore that label for two years in high school and had x's on my hands and everything and guess what, it's not hard to do. But guess what? The only reason anyone is edge is because they think they're above the people that do it; it's like being an atheist and looking down on Christians. You've just co-opted something (sobriety) and turned it into something that you wear like a medal. It's not something you get rewarded for, it's a fucking CHOICE. YOU'RE NOT COOL BECAUSE YOU DON'T DRINK CARBONATED WHEAT YOU POMPOUS FUCK, GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE.
wabbit 02.07.12	...the lead singer of minor threat and fugazi. the guy who got black flag famous. the guy who INVENTED straight edge. jesus fucking christ if this doesn't get on moar opeth there is no god.
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Huh, got off track there. My bad.
DinoX 02.07.12	people are worthy dependent on their knowledge yes. If you are a hive minded person, only willing to accept and never question you provide nothing to the progress of society and are doing nothing but holding it back.
DinoX 02.07.12	the comments are coming so fast by the time I type one out there are 10 more lol
Vesper 02.07.12	"people are worthy dependent on their knowledge yes. If you are a hive minded person, only willing to accept and never question you provide nothing to the progress of society and are doing nothing but holding it back." Someone really took Atlas Shrugged to heart.
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Drinking=no progress? Well Tom DeLonge was drunk during the filming of the video for First Date and that video rules.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	@ at Trebor Lmao. The second time I ever tasted it I was like 12 and i thought I was getting coke out of the pitcher, but it was some nasty beer. That was a bad surprise
DinoX 02.07.12	@fromdahood: Allow me to reiderate: "I disagree with the whole not doing something argument because drugs/ alcohol are so ubiquitous that is a literal impossibility for people to be completely different to the fact when it constantly pushed in your face. It takes an active role to say to no to it rather than an indifference to search into it. "
Tyrannic 02.07.12	"you provide nothing to the progress of society and are doing nothing but holding it back." so...librarians are completely worthless to you, considering their only function is the catalogue the past and have no function in the future. we should kill every single librarian we can find because they don't contribute to dinox's orwellian vision of how people's usefulness gauges their worth. you're trolling right? [3]
DinoX 02.07.12	never heard of Atlas Shrugged.
East Hastings 02.07.12	fml how did this happen
DinoX 02.07.12	False, librarians are extremely useful because they are keepers of knowledge which allow for the basis of progressive research. Just because you have a job and pay taxes doesn't mean you provide for society in any way besides a dollar figure. The idea of culture also incorporates morals, ethics, technology, philosophy, sociology etc.
FromDaHood 02.07.12	@Dino I agree with you, I too was offered things and had to actively say no, but that was because it didn't interest me. It's still not very hard to do. Quit acting like your contaminant free body gives you improved moral fortitude. @ tyr that thing about librarians is retarded, sorry bro
FromDaHood 02.07.12	For the record, I only agree with the part where you said alcohol and drugs are ubiquitous
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	"That's the douchiest thing I've ever read" This aimed at me?? "so to the guys that said "i guess im edge" in this thread, just tell everyone you're sober, way way easier and there's no bullshit labeling behind it." That sounds way better than telling someone your edge cause I've always considered the edge kids kinda douchebags.
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Not you Zilbel, I was talking to Dino
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Hastings, don't feel bad. Nearly the same thing happend in my list. Just not about edge.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	Hood: yeah it was retarded, metaphors on the fly man they're tricky. dino: "the idea of culture also incorporates morals, ethics, technology, philosophy, sociology etc." and those fields would have never advanced in the ways they did if people weren't doing drugs. philosophy? are you fucking kidding me
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Tyrannic I sorta agree with you, but I don't think doing drugs made everything more advanced
DinoX 02.07.12	@Anadacas: I don't care where the tag comes from, I simply am sober of drugs which in my opinion straight edge is just another word for. If not then I am not straight edge I couldn't give two fucks about Minor Threat. Furthermore Ian makes poor arguments, his first being that it is rude? LOL? Well I am sorry sir for making you question your reality. Why don't we all go back to believing the world is flat because it makes us comfortable? The caffeine argument is also poor, because my gripe is with alochol and recreational drugs. Being against medicinal drugs makes no sense as there is NO negative effect to society resulting from them in any manner nor does it affect social convention. Caffeine does not detain your stress, anxiety, alter your perception of reality. You aren't hiding or running from anything with caffeine you are just making yourself more alert.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	is that even close to what i said
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Philosophy? Sure. Ethics? Probs not. Morals? Uhmmm .....
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	Holy shit this thread
AlexanDerp 02.07.12	I hate people that brag, period. Some people here on this site are some of the biggest douches I've ever seen, constantly bragging about their "good music taste". Hell, it's almost as annoying as people on Facebook who claim that their lives are so cool because they got wasted last Friday and took a bunch of cool pictures with their friends.
Vesper 02.07.12	"never heard of Atlas Shrugged." Well, you pretty much encapsulated a central idea of the book there. That the only valuable members of society are the geniuses, although if you've never heard of Ayn Rand and you're in college, I highly doubt that you're all that smart or, at least, well-read. As for having a questioning, anti-hive mind, you should probably know the roots/founders of an ideology before you adopt it, like being straightedge. This is coming from someone who doesn't drink/do drugs and is, in all likelihood, smarter than you. Yet, I don't think I'm better than other people based on our recreational activities. (Yeah, it sucks when people do stupid things when drunk and a lot of people in the world aren't terribly bright - not the same as thinking they are worth less as a human being, though.)
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Steve Jobs dropped acid and smoked constantly for like 5 years
Tyrannic 02.07.12	oh my god ethics is a branch of philosophy are you fucking retarded
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	I've heard of Ayn Rand, but only cause of Rush. Haha
AlexanDerp 02.07.12	I mean fuck, I think people who listen to stuf flike LMFAO have poor music taste, but I don't give them shit about it, nor do I claim to be "teh best at musikz".
wabbit 02.07.12	have you even heard the philosophers song by monty python?
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Oh @Dino you say you're ok with medicinal drugs but is popping Xanax at a party ok?
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	I'm sure he meant medicinal drugs for medical purposes
pmmets07 02.07.12	It amazes me that every "straight edge" list created on this site results in the same one-sided argument.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	party anxiety is a medicinal purpose.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Yeah but andcas he could be like me and not have a spleen and need the medicine to keep you from getting a bacterial infection that would lead you to a early grave
DinoX 02.07.12	@fromdahood: Medicinal drugs are prescribed to people in circumstances where using a crutch become a necessity. There is a large difference between abusing one for recreational purposes and using one for medicinal purposes. One of my central arguments is that using recreational drugs is an unnecessary evasion of reality, while someone medically prescribed NEEDS the crutch to support themselves not just because they want to make themselves sick and have some fun.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Lol @ tyrannic
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Well I might have low-onset Asperberger's that gives me social anxiety, so I need to know if I'm in the clear
Yuma310 02.07.12	being edge is the easiest shit ive ever done. hating everyone helps.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	what's funny about party anxiety
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Lots of shit
DinoX 02.07.12	I stated andacas that I am unfamiliar with the tenants of straight edge, I simply assumed it was a synonym for sober a state which Ian sure as hell didn't make up. Medicinal purposes is completely understandable such as t heal yourself, it would be ridiculous to let yourself die you aren't evading your reality perception by doing so unless you count someone as a coward for avoiding death and suffering.
Satellite 02.07.12	*tenets
FromDaHood 02.07.12	The bottom line is no one would be "straight edge" if it wasn't easy and nobody would break edge if it didn't suck. Now, if all SxE people could remove their heads from their asses and have fun, let's get smashed and pretend we can dance, shall we?
DinoX 02.07.12	@Silent: I'm sorry our collaboration of sharing ideas and opinions is upsetting you so much. We better stop immediately.
Tyrannic 02.07.12	name one thing
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Ok well andcas if I don't take my medicine for a few days and I happen to catch something I'm done. Don't you get that? Thats all I'm saying. So someone could really need that
Tyrannic 02.07.12	yeah man and i really need a beer after reading this shit
Satellite 02.07.12	you fucking kids just need to lighten up and smoke a joint or something my gawd
DinoX 02.07.12	sips whiskey god dammit NOOOOOOOOOO
Zorak 02.07.12	marijuana is a medicine man. No harm in that.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Lol ^
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	True, sorta
Tyrannic 02.07.12	lol ok last thing what about the people who drink dmt as a religious experience
DinoX 02.07.12	@andacas: I don't have much of a problem with people drinking a bit, mostly with people really fucking themselves up and bragging about it. However... If you are using alcohol for purposes other than to shield yourself then you may as well call yourself straight edge because a beer an hour has no noticeable physical effect on your body. However if people drank it only for the taste, alcohol would be a lot less conventional than say lasagna. At least lasagna doesn't burn going down like hard liquor.
patman1001 02.07.12	"fml how did this happen" hahahahaha
Satellite 02.07.12	nothing wrong with getting blasted and fucking shit up man
DinoX 02.07.12	Well that was a lot of fun eh guys? I sometimes get a little carried away but I really value other people's symbolic interactionism and I love to take all possibilities into consideration.
Satellite 02.07.12	wait did you seriously equate getting drunk to "shield[ing] yourself"? because that's pretty fucking retarded js.
DinoX 02.07.12	Why does attempting to figure out the best way for me to live out my life in accordance to my philosophy automatically stigmatize me as a bore? I'm barrels of fun :3
Satellite 02.07.12	i get drunk to shield myself from being lame
Yuma310 02.07.12	god I'm 'Rush'ing so fucking hard right now. man u have no idea
DinoX 02.07.12	People should really stop making these lists because this is what it always becomes.
Yuma310 02.07.12	I ment to send that to prog master sorry
DinoX 02.07.12	Rush rules hard
Satellite 02.07.12	yeah agreed people make moronic claims about things they don't understand
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	How the fuck can people keep misspelling Andcas. ANDCAS not fucking andacas or andcacases or andandacas Not that hard.
Satellite 02.07.12	edit: i posted something somewhere else and it showed up here wtf
Yuma310 02.07.12	La Villa Strangiato is the greatest instrmental song I have ever heard in my life
DinoX 02.07.12	Andalopolis
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Did anyone come to your 21st birthday party?
DinoX 02.07.12	I recently 5'd Hemispheres it slays so hard. But I have to get my Converge on for the upcoming concert.
Recspecs 02.07.12	Goddammit, didn't we just discuss this whole edge thing? Anyways, I'll address several points made in this thread. 1. Alcohol tastes just fine to me, but I can understand if it doesn't appeal to you. 2. Admittedly, I hate hearing people bragging about how much beer they can drink, how hard they partied, etc. but I don't see the problem in saying "Whoaaa guys, that was a fun weekend m/". 3. nothing wrong getting blasted and fucking shit up man [2]
DinoX 02.07.12	ok
PGST3 02.07.12	Hmm, well I consider myself Straight-Edge, not only because I am, but also because I like the music and artists usually affiliated with it. If you don't really like the music or scene, just call yourself sober. I don't think it is very difficult being edge, because if you don't want to do something, and you don't put yourself in a situation where a bunch of drunk assholes are throwing beer in your face, no one really forces it on you. It's normally pretty respected when you don't do drugs or drink. Some people don't need/want these things either because A) It fucks countless peoples lives, or B) they can enjoy themselves and have fun without it. Don't think I'm better than anyone, I just think that since alcohol and hard drugs kill people everyday, less people would do them.
Zorak 02.07.12	"Did anyone come to your 21st birthday party?" lmfao
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	Andcasamania
DinoX 02.07.12	@PGST3: your contradiction is showing. @bringthejunz: I'm 19
Satellite 02.07.12	"you don't put yourself in a situation where a bunch of drunk assholes are throwing beer in your face" such situations don't exist outside of d.a.r.e. propaganda anyway
DinoX 02.07.12	lol pretty much
Zorak 02.07.12	We got some buzzkillingtons in here.
Satellite 02.07.12	if you're under 21 you reeeaaally shouldn't call yrself edge anyway
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	"I can spell andcas drunk. I'm better than you." Yeah the most sober dude on this thread is arguing how drinking lowers iq and shit and can't spell andcas right lol
Zorak 02.07.12	"@bringthejunz: I'm 19" I was just laughing at what FromDaHood said. No beef here man.
Recspecs 02.07.12	Who the hell keeps making these edge lists anyways?
DinoX 02.07.12	Here's the quote: "Nobody is equal saying so is just a result of the 'you can do it if you believe yourself' bullshit. People have different abilities, intellects and understandings of the world. Those who have a stronger understanding of their world, situation and surroundings are vastly intellectually superior. IQ exists for a reason we aren't all born with equal opportunity or clarity." Where did I correlate drinking lowers IQ exactly??? This entire statement is irrelevant to alcohol but rather addressing that people are naturally differing in intellectual properties and specialties.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	East Hastings
PGST3 02.07.12	@dino My contradiction? @andcas: funny, never heard that one before. @satellite: they do sometimes, haha. most of the time no
DinoX 02.07.12	East Hastings is lonnnnnng gone.
DinoX 02.07.12	Ironically enough this name is play on my other name Dinoweed
Recspecs 02.07.12	I've never been to a party where someone forced me to drink, sorry PSGT3.
botb 02.07.12	who cares who considers themselves edge or not for fucks sake just let them do them.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	"Where did I correlate drinking lowers IQ exactly??? This entire statement is irrelevant to alcohol but rather addressing that people are naturally differing in intellectual properties and specialties." Implying I actually read the entire thread. Just skimming along. That's where your argument seems to be going though. "People who don't do drugs and don't drink alcohol are superior to those who do" is generally what I'm getting from you. "my real name gets butchered to shit irl so I'm used to it by now zibel lol." What is it?? Haha
DinoX 02.07.12	@PSGT: avoiding pressure to drink is an impossibility. It just depends on how you deal with it.
PGST3 02.07.12	I've been a small social gathering where there was an obnoxious guy telling me to drink and have fun. Not forcing, not really a party, but kind of annoying.
PGST3 02.07.12	I didn't mean it was easy to avoid, Its just easy for me to say no.
Satellite 02.07.12	"avoiding pressure to drink is an impossibility" lol define "pressure to drink"
theashesfromautumn01 02.07.12	whats going on in here now?
Recspecs 02.07.12	Then tell him to fuck off and then bang his girl in the outhouse.
Satellite 02.07.12	"there was an obnoxious guy telling me to drink and have fun" yeah i hate friendly hospitable people too
DinoX 02.07.12	I still < 3 you andcas. I'm just here to learn and I hope everyone got something out of this.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	"avoiding pressure to drink is an impossibility. It just depends on how you deal with it." Why? Is someone point a gun to your head yelling "DRINK IT OR DIE"? I never feel pressured when people ask me to drink. I just say.... Wait for it....... No.
Recspecs 02.07.12	Pressure to drink?? Hahaha what is this, middle school?
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Being at a small thing where everyone is drunk and you're not is just awkward for everyone.
DinoX 02.07.12	^this
Satellite 02.07.12	then, uh, drink? you're not gonna hate yourself for it.
theashesfromautumn01 02.07.12	beer sucks. if you plan on getting drunk, drink something with kick in it and save yourself the horrible beer taste.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	"Oh my god guys, I drank yesterday. My iq lowered and now I'm going to die oh noooooooo help meeeeee"
DinoX 02.07.12	I don't bitch to people in real life, however if someone asks me about my reasoning for my decision I may proceed to tell them. I just decline and continue on with my day, it would be pretty inconvenient and frankly quite pompous to debate with people everywhere you went. 'Achoo!' 'Bless you' 'God isn't real ignorant fool!'
Satellite 02.07.12	"beer sucks. if you plan on getting drunk, drink something with kick in it and save yourself the horrible beer taste." drink better beer if you think it tastes bad.
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Do not have sex. If you have sex you will get an STD. And you will die.
Yuma310 02.07.12	the flavor of alcohol disgusts me for some reason.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	Just realized East Hastings is gonna have a great read when he wakes up and logs on.
DinoX 02.07.12	@zibel: Lol
Recspecs 02.07.12	Yeah if it's awkward for you, drink or leave. Not a dilemma. I've had to be the sober one at small gatherings before and still had a hell of a night. It's up to you if you are going to have fun or not.
Satellite 02.07.12	now, if you wanted to form a logical argument against drinking, all you'd have to do is cite coneren as an example and we'd all admit defeat
Yuma310 02.07.12	if i smoke ONE bowl... i will become schizophrenic, lose my memory, get fired, and die this shit happened to me twice
Satellite 02.07.12	of i do a rail off ONE hobo's erect penis, i will drop out of school and work at kinko's for the rest of my life
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	'Achoo!' 'Bless you' 'God isn't real ignorant fool!' I'd be fucking hilarious to hear this irl
Recspecs 02.07.12	"Do not have sex. If you have sex you will get an STD. And you will die." Alright here are some free condoms. Wait, what the fuck? Beer tastes great.
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	What's better to me than both alcohol and weed is exercising. The "runners high" get's me so ramped in a way that alcohol and weed never did. Still curious about trying shrooms for a first time though.
theashesfromautumn01 02.07.12	"drink better beer if you think it tastes bad" fuck that
Yuma310 02.07.12	silentpotato is scaring me!!
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	"now, if you wanted to form a logical argument against drinking, all you'd have to do is cite coneren as an example and we'd all admit defeat" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
DinoX 02.07.12	I don't avoid people who drink lol, basically every single one of my friends do weed and drink I simply don't partake.
wabbit 02.07.12	@Balls. Man recently I have been getting everything ready to smoke up then hitting the gym hard then running for like an hour then smoking up while you are still in pain before the runners high really sets it. Best thing ever. It essentially a.) increases the natural highs length/ magnitude b.) you are also stoned as shit. And you put sigur ros on and the world is perfect and nothing bothers you.
Yuma310 02.07.12	im laughing so hard atm. potato is a genius
Recspecs 02.07.12	If I meet a recovering alcoholic who has been clean for eight years at a church social, his old demons will possess me and I will spend all night at bars and come home at 3 in the morning and beat my wife. My liver will then say "Fuck it.", and I will pass away.
BallsToTheWall 02.07.12	Smoking weed never did anything to me but the way you word that it sounds possibly enjoyable. However im so stimulated on caffeine and other supplements that well I think your approach would be counter productive to me.
Yuma310 02.07.12	lmao
Recspecs 02.07.12	Rumor has it, if you are prescribed pain medication by your doctor and you take one more than prescribed, you will vomit up all of your stomach contents, inner organs, etc. until you are spewing pure, black bile. By that point, the gums of your mouth will have rotted away; you'll then shit your pants and bleed out.
DinoX 02.07.12	i am chocked full of controversial arguments :): -I am an active atheist -I don't believe in drinking or recreational drugs -I believe in abortion - I don't believe Canada should promote cultural accommodation for immigrants - I believe in the death penalty - That Canadian natives deserve no extra benefits - That feminists are full of bullshit - That the media's control on culture only perpetuates social class gaps (sure most people here would agree) -Unified culture is beneficial - Socialism should be universal pick your poison.
wabbit 02.07.12	I heard that if you are in a restaurant that allows smoking and you catch a hint of cigarette in the air. You're throat will get cancer that will quickly spread into your bones and bloodstream rendering chemotherapy useless. Leaving you with a slow painful death and because we haven't legalized assisted suicide when you lose all control of your body and mind you will be kept alive for an extended period of time losing all your dignity and causing your family a lot of pain
Recspecs 02.07.12	You heard correct. I read online that if you don't watch porn at least three times a day you will never have sex with an adult woman.
DinoX 02.07.12	man that sucks pretty hard
Recspecs 02.07.12	Yeah, but enough storytelling. I have a morning class. I'll resume the tomfoolery later.
DinoX 02.07.12	Nope, I am for the benefit of society's progression. Drastic criminals cost society disgusting portions of money to take care of and will never gain an opportunity to provide to society anyway, so for the benefit of society and as just punishment should be fried.
DinoX 02.07.12	fried like chicken
FromDaHood 02.07.12	How does one become an "active" atheist? Do they have churches now?
DinoX 02.07.12	Active in the online atheist community to fight for secularism and to argue against religious fanatics on youtube. Edgy I know.
wabbit 02.07.12	-active athiests are cunts. Religion is like penises. Some people have one, some people don't. Don't whip it out in public, don't think with it and don't shove it down kids throats. -believe in drinking or recreational drugs we already established this is dumb -pro-choice OOOOHHHH so racy. Too bad you have a penis not a vagina so you don't have the right to an opinion on the matter -I don't believe Canada should promote cultural accommodation for immigrants funny cause unless you are 100% first nations you're entire family is immigrants...I think you mean you hate brown people - death penalty what if the person is innocent (it happens more than you think) - Canadian natives deserve no extra benefits ...again I don't think you understand the history behind this so I'm chalking this up to racism. They got all there special rights through negotiations with the crown who didn't think "not paying taxes" was going to be a big deal 200 years later -feminists are full of bullshit ask Aids about the women in Africa -Unified culture is beneficial ...again with the racism -Socialism should be universal ...cause it has worked so well in the last 100 years
DinoX 02.07.12	you make a strong case
AnotherBrick 02.07.12	see rabbit hasnt gotten any cooler yet
DinoX 02.07.12	I'm drunk
FromDaHood 02.07.12	Socialism is sweet guyz. I think the government should rob my rich daddy and give it to crazy mike on the corner because all people are created equal and daddy and mike having different amounts of $ is unfair.
DougTheRanter 02.07.12	Well shit, it looks like I missed a shit storm over people being straight edge. Oh well, I don't really care.
botb 02.07.12	"Religion is like penises. Some people have one, some people don't. Don't whip it out in public, don't think with it and don't shove it down kids throats. " hahahahahahahahaha
Vesper 02.07.12	"- That feminists are full of bullshit" So you don't think women deserve equal rights as men or are you another one of those guys who focuses in on fringe feminist beliefs and extrapolates them to denigrate an entire movement? "-Unified culture is beneficial" By 'unified', do you mean 'white/Western'? If you're going to have 'controversial' opinions, you better back them the fuck up.
wabbit 02.07.12	^woman needs to get back in the kitchen am i right fellas?
Satellite 02.07.12	anti-feminism is about the most retarded horseshit ever, not that most of the rest of what he said isn't equally facepalm-inducing.
DinoX 02.07.12	I can easily back up my arguments but it would take another hour to convey all these subjects
Satellite 02.07.12	we'll wait
wabbit 02.07.12	Unified culture is beneficial back this on up.
wabbit 02.07.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww
Satellite 02.07.12	such a good episode rabbit
Vesper 02.07.12	Your opinions aren't so much controversial as utterly contradictory. You think only the intellectual elite are valuable to society (quite a popular fascist belief) and that there shouldn't be corrections for racial injustice, yet you think socialism should be universal? You are against the "hive mind", yet you want 'unified culture'? Whatever that's supposed to mean, if not white/Western.
DinoX 02.07.12	quick write up: 1) Atheism: The case for God not existing is extremely strong though not 100% accurate although you can never be completely sure of anything intangible. 2)Abortion: I support pro-choice for women, and I believe men if they do not want to should have no obligation to raise the child if he doesn't want it and states so very early on and she wants to keep it. She is equally as guilty as him and should have used contraceptive pill or condom. She didn't, neither did he. But now at this point she could take a day after pill. She chose not to. So now she could've got an abortion. She chose not to. Then finally she could have put it up for adoption but she chose not to so it is her own doing. I am in support of women having choice over their own bodies.
wabbit 02.07.12	wants cultural unification: 5 classic At the Drive-In Relationship of Command Brand New Deja Entendu Brand New The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me Brand New Daisy Burial Untrue Converge Jane Doe Cynic Traced in Air Defeater Travels Elliott Smith Either/Or letlive. Fake History (Re-Release) Megadeth Rust in Peace Neutral Milk Hotel In the Aeroplane Over the Sea Opeth Damnation Ozric Tentacles Arborescence Pg. 99 Document #8 Protest the Hero Fortress Refused The Shape of Punk to Come Rise Against Revolutions Per Minute Rush Hemispheres The National Alligator The Speed of Sound in Seawater Red Version Twinkly perfection, there isn't one moment on this album that doesn't rule. Tool Lateralus Ulver Bergtatt Weezer Pinkerton Wu-Tang Clan Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) GO FUCK YOURSELF BRO
DinoX 02.07.12	3) I once wrote a very in depth essay on the subject of cultural accommodation and if you look at the data the concept has failed time and time again throughout nearly every country that has adopted it. Within Canada itself there is no diversity, the blacks stick to the blacks, the Muslims stay with the Muslims, the whites with the whites. They even have their own districts, as well as an overwhelming majority of immigrants coalesce in a small portion of the country at much higher rates than the general population. Multiculturalism is a dillusion, it is simply just a division of conflicting ideals spread thinner amongst a large population which if accommodated slow down/ halt progress and threaten our culture.
Satellite 02.07.12	"For the second time in a century, the world had turned on Austria's greatest man just because he was brave enough to try something new." -Bruno
wabbit 02.07.12	@Vesper Fascist is still technically a type of socialism in the most broad sense. You still get the everything being centralized it's just the wealth distribution that changes
Vesper 02.07.12	You still haven't explained what 'unified culture' means. And again: "our culture". WHO IS THIS 'OUR'? You're missing the point of my contention.
wabbit 02.07.12	HE MEANS WE SHOULD BE LIKE THE FUCKING BORG
DinoX 02.07.12	Actually I don't believe unified culture should be westernized I believe it should socialist along the lines of say Denmark. Western society is far too fixated on social gaps and greed.
Satellite 02.07.12	god this kid is so dumb it hurts
DinoX 02.07.12	I wasn't trying to write an essay, I was simply giving an overview argument.
Satellite 02.07.12	get to the part where you think women are second class citizens
DinoX 02.07.12	Lol I have no idea why you think my ideas are so outlandish when they are completely logically reasonable.
JWT155 02.07.12	And the blacks are 3rd class?
Satellite 02.07.12	THE SOCIALIST CANADIAN CASTE SYSTEM
DinoX 02.07.12	Feminism: I believe you took it out of context, modernized feminism is largely radical although not always, fixated solely on the gender issues addressing women while pushing borderlining socially acceptability om their practices. What this does is put men in a position where their humiliation and unequality in certain aspects become jokes. Feminism shouldn't exist, at least as a full frontal mainstream assault, the movement rather shouldn't place blame on anyone and try to work to solve the issue of inequality among people in general.
wabbit 02.07.12	I'm pretty sure if you don't have blue eyes and blonde hair dinox doesn't think you are a person
Vesper 02.07.12	You're totally fucked if you're a black woman in Dino's world. "logically reasonable" You gave us your conclusions with little logic as to how you got there for the sake of 'brevity'. Don't spout your shit if you're not going to explain them.
Satellite 02.07.12	wait all i got from that is that women humiliate you and joke about your small rod
DinoX 02.07.12	Physical and verbal abuse, as well as social inequality towards men is high but never discussed. We should try to make everyone equal not make one more superior than the other.
Satellite 02.07.12	i think you have at best a tenuous grasp on what feminism is
Vesper 02.07.12	No, I believe YOU took it out of context when you called 'feminism' - with no qualifiers as to which particular movements or tenets that you disagree with - 'bullshit'. Oh, and since when did you care about 'socially acceptability', Mr. Controversy. "the movement rather shouldn't place blame on anyone and try to work to solve the issue of inequality among people in general" This is exactly what most legitimate feminists do. Again, you're taking the fringe/uneducated voices and making them the primary.
wabbit 02.07.12	"Physical and verbal abuse, as well as social inequality amongst men and women are high but never discussed. We should try to make everyone equal not make one more superior than the other." COMING FROM THE STRAIGHT WHITE NORTH AMERICAN MALE
Satellite 02.07.12	dinox creates strawman argument strawman wins argument anyway
wabbit 02.07.12	well he hasn't been bitching about gay people taking over the world or some shit so I guess he must be gay. Also he clearly has deep seated issues with females.
ZombicidalMan 02.07.12	lol
Ovrot 02.07.12	drinking is fun
devious 02.07.12	srs, I drink, used to smoke weed, and think people who claim edge out loud are just people who think they're better than the average person. Congrats that you don't drink or smoke. I'm glad you can make person decisions.
Funeralopolis 02.07.12	haha wow dude, weed is great to relax calm down its not like it is gonna hurt you if other people light up duh.
AdamK 02.07.12	i think the whole idea behind straight edge is a positive one but making a lifestyle choice like not drinking/smoking should be less about joining a group and more about yourself
Vyndax 02.07.12	Damn.
SeaAnemone 02.07.12	Wow DinoX you're really unique and intellectual and confrontational and controversial. Oh wait no you're just the fucking epitome -I use epitome because I fear you're not the apex, though I could be wrong- of so many of the idiots that inhabit this site. I mean seriously. Jesus Christ. Let's be honest though, I'm the real loser here... spending 5 seconds skimming over the highlights of this thread.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Smweedd
FrankRedHot 02.07.12	I just read this whole entire thing(fuck me), and Dino is the embodiment of the pretentious illiterate. And I'm sorry, but if you don't even know who the founder of your beloved movement is, that's pathetic.
FrankRedHot 02.07.12	Dino, if I dipped my nuts in honey and shaved coconut, would you do that, too? Because I have coconut.
sixthgoldenticket 02.07.12	dino xxx fuk women nd god
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	99% of these kids have never heard Gorilla Biscuits.
LegendofPittman 02.07.12	tl;dr but Dino didn't know who Ian MacKaye was? wth? Also, I don't like the label of "straight-edge". After thinking about it, it feels that sometimes it's used just as a label to feel like you fit in with an "underground" scene or something. Straight-edge is nothing like Ian originally intended it to be. He didn't want it to be this fight against drugs/alcohol, hell, some people in Minor Threat drank every now and then. Straight-edge is more about the control, having control of your body and things you do to it, treating your body with care. Also it really pisses me off when they are judgmental about it as well, because they don't do anything doesn't mean they are above anyone else. All of my best friends get drunk, smoke weed, etc, and I have never judged them. So that's why I live a "straight-edge" lifestyle, but I don't like the term.
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	I'm sure you've met mad edge homies who don't give a fuck like you as well.
LegendofPittman 02.07.12	Honestly not yet. haha
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	Well aren't you in Florida?
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	whoa, a sonic post that isn't a) dad rock, b) calling somebody a turd
LegendofPittman 02.07.12	Nope, I lived in a small town in Tennessee, and recently moved to Atlanta. Lolsonic
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	Oh word, idk why I thought you were from Florida.
FrankRedHot 02.07.12	Straight edge is a way for kids and young adults to associate themselves with like-minded people, just like any other social group. It can also be used as a support system for said people when their lives take an unexpected turn. Nowhere does it say nor mean that anyone who believes and follows the straight edge ideals is superior in any way. Saying something like that is the exact reason why most people who aren't straight edge despise or avoid people who are. The only thing it should mean is that you don't like nor use any mind-altering substance. It is too bad a lot of straight edge kids, like Dino, feel like they have a step-up on anyone. also, whoever said you can't go to a party where alcohol and drugs are being drank/used freely if you're straight edge is retarded. Fun is what you make of it. That's just an excuse for you to hate on people who don't believe in your ideals. Might as well become Christian.
Eulogize 02.07.12	cool thread
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	hey guys look, sonic likes OLDSCHOOL music and does drugs
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	lmao
Killerhit 02.07.12	Keyboard who are you and why you such an idiot? It didn't take long for you, did it?
TechieCore 02.07.12	Smoke weed erryday.
Killerhit 02.07.12	Kill people burn shit smoke weed fuck schoo
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	Yep. Making fun of little kids for hating others for being sober means that I'm sober... and stupid.
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	"and you support fascist nutjobs like ron paul" And you apparently think wanting to end imperialism is fascism.
East Hastings 02.07.12	what the fuck happened in this thread
Recspecs 02.07.12	Hell yeah Pittman. Georgia. Represent. I think the best option for DinoX would be for him to fall on his knees and repent to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Suicide is also a good option.
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	ily potato
ZilbelPing 02.07.12	@East Hastings read it all, it's awesome
Vesper 02.07.12	Ugh, this thread (i.e. DinoX) looks even more stupid the morning after.
Recspecs 02.07.12	I feel stupid reading this thread at times.
Vesper 02.07.12	Just when Dino opens his mouth and says shit like this: "What this does is put men in a position where their humiliation and unequality in certain aspects become jokes." Aw, poor baby! You got embarrassed! And then those bitches made a joke about it! Women never had to suffer such injustice for centuries. Seriously, just take back all that feminism shit to apologize.
Recspecs 02.07.12	Lol. Logic escapes this man in ways I thought were no longer possible. Thank you Dino for restoring my faith in white America.
someguest 02.07.12	i don't think anyone gives a fuck either way you could be jacking up on heroin in front of me on the street and I'd nod in approval
Nikkolae 02.07.12	"Lol I have no idea why you think my ideas are so outlandish when they are completely logically reasonable." Rationalize anything and even the most stupid and idiotic things seem logical, thats how we got two girls one cup. Edit: took me a good half hour to read all this, ugh.
someguest 02.07.12	no we got two girls one cup because poop is funny and lesbians are hot
Nikkolae 02.07.12	forgot about the barf though
Recspecs 02.07.12	Vomit is the lube duhhh
Killerhit 02.07.12	Jesus fuckin christ this whole thread is a train wreck
Skrapyard 02.07.12	@DinoX: I'm [objectively] smarter than you and: I'm not straightedge, I'm a militant anarcho-feminist, I don't believe in the 'cultural unity' bullshit you have outlined, and I am an atheist. Go fuck yourself.
Skrapyard 02.07.12	Also, damn, I'm so pissed that I missed this!
DinoX 02.07.12	hi
Satellite 02.07.12	guten tag mein führer
DinoX 02.07.12	I really don't understand why people are getting so upset. Perhaps I worded my views quite poorly, as I never actually intended to discuss them originally but I shall clear it up: 1) I am an atheist who believes that religion hinders modern society and that religion/state should be separate. 2) I don't believe in drinking or recreational drugs for the 100 reasons I state above. 3) I believe in abortion, but which I mean I support that women should have the right to be able to control their bodies and do with them as they please if they choose not to bear a child. 4) I don't believe Canada should amend its agenda in order to compensate for the religious and culture needs of minority groups. If they do so it will greatly hinder progress. Here is a real example: out in the prairies when a law was to be passed to force photos on ID there was a group of religious people who believe that getting your picture taken would steal their soul. As a result they rallied to not allow this law to pass, if the government doesn't offend some people it will never progress. Instead of being so concerned about looking good to other countries we should put our internal affairs first and foremost. 4) Drastic criminals cost society disgusting portions of money to take care of and will never gain an opportunity to provide to society anyway, so for the benefit of society and as just punishment should be executed. 5) Natives do not deserve the benefits for which they currently receive. What happened to them was an atrocity not doubt however granting them tax cuts isn't going to solve anything. Hard work and perseverance is what makes you succeed. It is up to people to themselves to avoid running their life into the ground with drug abuse etc. to avoid poverty. It is a choice. Of course not all natives are like that but that is a large part of the reason for why they are provided benefits: to help them get back on their feet. However it is proving to not be very useful with only a very small percentage actually using their free ability to attend university for example. They aren't helpless if they make poor choices it is of their own doing and not our responsibility. My grandparents are Jews and my grandfather even had his father die in World War 2, do I receive any sort of reward from the German government? Of course not and I don't expect one either.
DinoX 02.07.12	Finally on feminists: I believe feminism had its place and time where it was a necessity. In fact I can acknowledge women are still treated unequal in some ways. However there seems to be a militant style to it that has become socially acceptable. Both genders face inequalities to some degree, both of them demand attention however due to the sheer force of feminism, culture has dictated ok to laugh at men's issues as some of you did here. I am not a victim of abuse nor have I abused anyone but you would be lying to yourself if you thought a large amount of cases regarding abuse are directed towards men. Violence against men in our society is regarded as funny and it is rather sickening. Both genders deserve equal treatment and that is what the focus should be on, not just the issues of women. Feminism wrongly accuses men of being pigs. Here's a great real life example: there is a feminist club in my university and they put posters all around campus saying: 'No means no! If she says no, it means no! No matter which way you dice it is sexual assault' even plastered at eye level over every urinal in the school. Is that not militant?
DinoX 02.07.12	and for these reasons I am apparently the fucking spawn of Satan.
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	Guys I really need to fucking know: how many of u smoke drugs like this is fucking important in order to earn my respect.
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	Dino, I could be wrong, but I read somewhere that militant means violent.
DinoX 02.07.12	it is aggressive in nature. If you say that feminism isn't okay you get people telling you: 'well what you a woman hater?' yet it is okay for men's issues to go unnoticed because I mean come on, we're men! Our lives are perfect after all and we are just treated superiority to women in every plausible aspect. /sarcasm
DinoX 02.07.12	I don't hate women at all in any way shape or form, I just believe feminism is bad for society in general because it creates a dichotomy between men and women which is very unproductive.
DinoX 02.07.12	any more questions?
sixthgoldenticket 02.07.12	feminism is all about equality for both genders you're dumb
DinoX 02.07.12	dictionary definition of feminism: the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
Satellite 02.07.12	yeah women seriously need to stop complaining about inequality because it's really creating a rift. you are a piece of shit js.
DinoX 02.07.12	that's not what I am saying at all which I clearly fucking outlined is that FEMinism shouldn't exist it should be HUMANism.
Satellite 02.07.12	you just listed the dictionary definition of feminism. and you're opposed to THAT? i feel sorry for anyone unfortunate enough to know you irl.
sixthgoldenticket 02.07.12	except that men are more privileged than women in our society.
AdamK 02.07.12	If we lived in a world where everyone could see how productive it would be to not form groups and accept everyone and treat everyone equally that would be cool but things are shit so people have to form groups and movements to stand out. So while the dichotomy may be unproductive it is bound to happen in every situation
sixthgoldenticket 02.07.12	dino what the fuck
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	My gosh
DinoX 02.07.12	Women pretty much dominant socially, while men have dominance politically and in terms of job opportunity/ pay. The dichotomy thing wouldn't have to exist if the issues from both sides were addressed. YOU CAN STILL ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS.
TechieCore 02.07.12	This list is epic.
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	Dino you've taken it too far. Shut up
AdamK 02.07.12	how do women dominate socially?
sixthgoldenticket 02.07.12	"Women pretty much dominant socially" lol
DinoX 02.07.12	Women have power over sex sex= the reason for all things this power= they get away with A LOT of shit for being women. Women's issues= drastic and in need of immediate action Men's issues= lol if you can't handle your issues then you're not a real man, faggot. Women overall are treated less equally than men, but like I keep telling you both have issues!
YetAnotherBrick 02.07.12	"Women overall are treated less equally than men, but like I keep telling you both have issues!" this makes it sound like you're neither a man or a woman and i find that really funny lol XD
DinoX 02.07.12	nobody is really providing any arguments as to my why my ideals are faulty besides providing me with juvenile bashing.
ITsHxCTOASTER 02.07.12	Wow I'm not going to even try to figure out how the fuck this thread got where it is. But I'm gonna weigh in on the "Is edge gay?" debate and the answer is yes. I don't even smoke or drink and I think it is. Why can't you just let people enjoy what they enjoy doing and not give a fuck? Do what you want to and let others do the same. If you don't want to smoke or drink just say you've made a decision that you don't personally want to do either of them. Don't try to push your beliefs on anyone else either because they're probably having a good fucking time doing what they please
wabbit 02.07.12	ALSO HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO IAN MACKAYE IS AND HOLY SHIT HOW DOES THAT EVEN HAPPEN. LIKE IF YOU ARE ON A MUSIC SITE YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW WHO HE IS CAUSE FUCK YA FUGAZI, MINOR THREAT, BIKINI KILL ETC. BUT IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING A STUPID BELIEF THAT IS BASED OFF THAT GUYS YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO THAT GUY IS. IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING "IM A CHRISTIAN" AND NOT KNOWING WHO JESUS IS
ChuckyTruant 02.07.12	You mad brah? ^
Recspecs 02.07.12	"if i met dino irl i would take a giant liquid shit in his mouth while holding his nostrils closed so that his only choice was swallow or die" Hahaha. This.
DinoX 02.07.12	Because Ian invented the act of being sober
Recspecs 02.07.12	"IT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING "IM A CHRISTIAN" AND NOT KNOWING WHO JESUS IS" This is 100% true.
Recspecs 02.07.12	"Because Ian invented the act of being sober" He obviously didn't but he had a large enough impact on sobreity to start a cult known as edge that you follow.
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	yo how many of you are jacked up on some DRUGS right now?!
DinoX 02.07.12	I already stated that I thought edge was a quick synonym for sobriety time and time again. That was a mistake on my part, however I have held this belief far before I ever heard of 'edge' or even punk music in general.
Nikkolae 02.07.12	"My grandparents are Jews" that explains everything
Recspecs 02.07.12	Then don't claim edge. Just say "Nahh. I don't drink or partake in recreational drugs." That easy. Kids these days, gahh.
DinoX 02.07.12	irony
DinoX 02.07.12	how is anything I am saying racist?
DinoX 02.07.12	This thread is great for my comment count
DinoX 02.07.12	you are a potato
DinoX 02.07.12	oh ya I hope a jellyfish stings you while you are swimming and you are all like 'oh no that hurts' then when you think it is over a boat driver harpoons you and you are all like oh no and drown
Tyrannic 02.07.12	"this power= they get away with A LOT of shit for being women." http://i.qkme.me/5a6u.jpg
DinoX 02.07.12	I would do it because I am pro-choice
wabbit 02.07.12	...I think you don't understand why they have tax cuts. It was a business agreement.
keyboardxmosh 02.07.12	HEROIN ADDICTS THAT STEAL FROM THEIR MOTHER'S PURSE > STRAIGHT EDGE KIDS
Satellite 02.07.12	kid's gotta be trolling. i refuse to believe there's anyone legitimately THAT dumb on this site.
Satellite 02.08.12	yeah but they're all trollin
Winsomniac 02.08.12	One edge nerd to another: "You're at about 270 degrees; we need you at 180." OHOHOHOHOHOHO
East Hastings 02.08.12	i made a list saying i don't drink or smoke, kids at my school do. dino, potato, satellite entered. the end.
Winsomniac 02.08.12	Dinos are extinct, brah. Learned it in the bible.
Vyndax 02.08.12	Somehow, it is hard for kids to be edge. I've never drank or used drugs but a lot of my classmates an friends' friends apparently do (probably some of my friends too, but I've never asked). There's even this huge drug bust going on just a few neighborhoods away. I heard two guys talk about it and they sounded half like a movie gangster, and have like a Politician.
Vyndax 02.08.12	Whoa. I'm sensing a lot negativity here.
Tyrannic 02.08.12	"I believe men if they do not want to should have no obligation to raise the child if he doesn't want it and states so very early on and she wants to keep it. She is equally as guilty as him and should have used contraceptive pill or condom." dude can this quote please live forever?
ZombicidalMan 02.08.12	If you think that the best way to help the Native people of Canada is to just let them realize they should 'work harder', well, you are a truly stupid little fuckstick. I guess if they really try hard enough and believe in themselves, they'll all be able to overcome the extreme poverty, illiteracy, substance abuse, and racism many of them face by living on a reservation. Not like I'm going to argue with Dino, since Potato, Vesper, and Satellite have it covered, and there's really no point. If you don't want to do drugs or drink, don't. I won't stop you. Just don't be an asshole about it.
Recspecs 02.08.12	"i hope a bunch of aboriginals 100 days of sodom your ass" Lol. One fucked up movie.
taxidermist 02.08.12	Ian MacKaye /thread
Vesper 02.08.12	I don't even know where to start with Dino's latest bit about feminism. He keeps ignoring the bit I've repeated over and over that feminism - misandry is a completely separate issue - is fighting for equal rights, not to make women better than men. And, seriously, you have a problem with the gender binary when you keep making huge, nay, fucking sweeping generalizations about women and men? Oh, and the feminist's club's posters are assaulting your eyes or what? Well, get this, there are over 200,000 (reported) sexual assault incidents each year in the US. Sorry if those posters are just SO MILITANT while someone is getting raped. And have you even thought that the reason men are laughed at for their problems is because of how incredibly internalized sexism is in our culture, in both women and men? This 'manning up' attitude has been around for a long time before feminism was ever in the picture, kid. If you call a man a 'faggot' for not being able to deal with his problems, you're not a feminist - you're a homophobic asshole.
foxblood 02.08.12	you can't beat Vesper so just give up
DinoX 02.08.12	Those posters aren't going to stop someone from raping someone but they are going to perpetuate the stigma that men are to vicious pigs. I don't understand what you mean about the sexism bit because ridiculous stereotypes for both sexes is something that I believe should be eliminated which I have stated. Feminism may not intentionally promote misandry, but it is nearly impossible to avoid perpetuating due to the circumstances of the issue due to feminism's ubiquitous slot in common culture.
Vesper 02.08.12	Sorry, where on the poster did it refer to men as 'vicious pigs'? You seem to be projecting your own ideas onto it. Again, this idea of slavering men attacking the helpless women has been around a lot longer than feminism. Which leads me to the point about how society has internalized sexism. These ridiculous stereotypes have existed for a long time. Feminism is an attempt to combat that and other manifestations of sexism. That you keep conflating feminism with misandry speaks more to your own prejudices, because a number of men - a few on this thread, even - have no problem separating the two. If society is interpreting feminism to be some kind of misandrist bull-dyke hate cult, that's its fucking problem and says a lot about people who interpret it as such. Point me to one - just one - legitimate/academic feminist writing that promotes misandry.
Recspecs 02.08.12	"If you call a man a 'faggot' for not being able to deal with his problems, you're not a feminist - you're a homophobic asshole." Valid point from Vesper. A point Dino has yet to address.
Relinquished 02.08.12	so who else is having as much fun eating pizza as I am
FrankRedHot 02.08.12	Ian Mackaye would kill Dino, and then himself because he can't bare the thought that he indirectly inspired this idiot. Dino, for the first time in my 2 years here, I honestly think that leaving this site is the best thing for you. You just lost what little respect anyone had for you, and you will more than likely never get it back.
johnnyblaze 02.08.12	what's goin on in here guys?
Skrapyard 02.08.12	"Those posters aren't going to stop someone from raping someone but they are going to perpetuate the stigma that men are to vicious pigs." Actually, a large number of rape cases involve confusion or ignorance about consent, so, uh... you're wrong. They posters aren't saying OMG SO MANY MEN = RAPISTS WTF?! LOLZ!, they're cautioning men against advancing beyond a 'no.' Which reminds me of this: "Women pretty much dominant socially, while men have dominance politically and in terms of job opportunity/ pay. The dichotomy thing wouldn't have to exist if the issues from both sides were addressed." Uh-huh... the problems here are 1) women are not socially dominant, in part because social spheres are inseparable from political spheres; and 2) men, while they may be subjected to rape, abuse, assault, etc., do not face institutionalized oppression. If you still can't get this through your thick ugly suit-wearing skull, give me your email and I can write you a nice long essay about why you're wrong - it'll take far more than a comment or two if this little blurb doesn't get through to you. "I don't understand what you mean about the sexism bit because ridiculous stereotypes for both sexes is something that I believe should be eliminated which I have stated." Well, aside from the fact that you clearly know shit about feminism outside of your bitter reactions to urinal posters and a fucking dictionary entry - contemporary feminism, in its usual form, IS humanism. That is, it attempts to break down gender delineations in order to most effectively combat any kind of friction between groups of individuals. "Feminism may not intentionally promote misandry, but it is nearly impossible to avoid perpetuating due to the circumstances of the issue due to feminism's ubiquitous slot in common culture." Again, your version of 'feminism' is almost completely fabricated. Feminism, even when addressing 'men,' is not actually saying 'men are bad' or 'living men are responsible for the problems plaguing women,' etc. Rather, they are calling attention to patriarchy, or the systematic empowerment of men over women that has been institutionalized since at least antiquity. This is not misandry, this is a theoretical stance taken against power dynamics that are casually perpetuated by both men and women alike.
DinoX 02.08.12	feminism isn't humanism, humanism is humanism. The whole lack of knowledge about consent thing is bull, nobody is retarded enough to not know what 'no' means. My psychology text book says it is very often the case that rapists believe all other men are rapists therefore justifying their actions. All the posters do is call attention to men as if they are all rapists or even too dumb to know what 'no' means. The socially dominant aspect of women is outside of the realm of feminism, and may even NOT BE TRUE depending on who you talk to about it or who you are. I was simply stating that genders aren't always equal in all aspects.
Satellite 02.08.12	have you ever had a girlfriend before dino? legitimately curious.
DinoX 02.08.12	I honestly have no idea why my ideas are making you all so upset. I mean my god, I am sorry for having different beliefs than you, doesn't mean you have to take it so personally.
Recspecs 02.08.12	If your psychology text book said that ejaculating in the faces of young children in public was justifiable, would you do it Dino?
Skrapyard 02.08.12	"I honestly have no idea why my ideas are making you all so upset. I mean my god, I am sorry for having different beliefs than you, doesn't mean you have to take it so personally." It's not that they are different, it's that they are unjustifiably outrageous. I don't think we're taking it personally, I think we're lol'ing at how much of a dumbass you are, and responding in kind to your 'arguments.'
dammets 02.08.12	Freud tells me that I'm sexually attracted to my mom, so I hit that every night.
DinoX 02.08.12	I have posted my reasoning whether you choose to accept it as a subjective view is up to you
FrankRedHot 02.08.12	Dino sounds like an 83 year old southern gentleman, sitting on his porch drinking a mint julep, and denying the existence of blacks as anything other than "shoe polishers."
Skrapyard 02.08.12	Laughable exit, how surprising. I'll feel sorry for you in a few years.
Vesper 02.08.12	"I have posted my reasoning whether you choose to accept it as a subjective view is up to you" And we've posted our counter-arguments, which you have not addressed. It's not much of a reasoning if you're just saying it's right or irrefutable because you believe it. Not much of an atheist, are you? I asked you to direct me to one academic source that promotes this misandry you say is so widespread and inevitable in feminism to the point we should scrap feminism altogether, and you have not come up with one.
FrankRedHot 02.08.12	"Freud tells me I'm sexually attracted to my mom, so I hit that every night" So does everyone else in town, including "Roly-Poly" Ron, the only fat black man to lose at the annual Pork-Chops-O'Chunky eating contest.
patman1001 02.08.12	"Dino sounds like an 83 year old southern gentleman, sitting on his porch drinking a mint julep, and denying the existence of blacks as anything other than "shoe polishers."" hahahahaha oh my god
Recspecs 02.08.12	God(?) bless your heart Dino.
FromDaHood 02.08.12	From what I've read, I'm pretty sure Dino wants to live in the Brave New World society except without the part about Henry Ford being God
FromDaHood 02.08.12	Because religion sucks nuts or something, I don't really care what he has to say
Recspecs 02.08.12	Unless he makes a formal list stating his resignation from the website.
Nikkolae 02.08.12	i didnt think this could get even more stupid, i was wrong
Yuma310 02.08.12	God I remember this one time I pissed razors. fucking hurt
ZilbelPing 02.08.12	"i didnt think this could get even more stupid, i was wrong" Same. I didn't think Dino would actually coome back. Vesper is killing him and all she's asking for is proof to his belief that feminists are out to eradicate men out of the face of the earth, which he doesn't give. He just says, "I honestly don't know why everyone is so angry at my beliefs.", while continuing to dismiss Vespers arguments. ily vesper. "i got ultra banned for this. dunno how long. was worth every second dino ;p" Potato?? If so, I bet it was VERY much worth getting banned. I'll come back in a few hours and see where this goes. Also, I just noticed the name change. Awesome.
Vesper 02.08.12	Lol, thanks, Zilbel. Dino just keeps digging his grave deeper and deeper. I didn't even see that he edited his third to last comment. (He originally just wrote 'ok'.) "feminism isn't humanism, humanism is humanism. The whole lack of knowledge about consent thing is bull, nobody is retarded enough to not know what 'no' means." Like I said, there are - at least - 200,000 cases each year just in the US where people are raped because somebody did not understand 'no' as being serious, somebody actively disregarded that 'no', or there was no affirmative consent. So maybe those rapists are all just 'retarded' in Dino's mind. Ideally, feminism would be humanism if women and men were, in fact, equal. Because, see, if you were to define humanism as a philosophy that focuses on human values and concerns, and define women as being just as much human as men, then yes, humanism should include the values/concerns of women, not just the male 'default'. As it is, humanism historically has largely been sexist. Same goes for your completely racist idea of a 'unified culture', because the default for that culture would most likely be white/western, not that of the various non-white minorities. I don't think this will go anywhere if Dino keeps dodging my counterarguments the way he's been and claiming these are just his 'subjective' views. This is all quite amusing, really.
Recspecs 02.08.12	Vesper is just laying it on him and Dino is nowhere to be found. Pity. A goddamn pity.
Nikkolae 02.08.12	almost 500 comments of ass-whooping fun m/
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	longest thread I've ever seen
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	haha wow this Dino guy is a fucking idiot, ok there. Sorry bro but feminism is about gaining political equality not making men look like bozos. If that's your interperatation then you have some serious thinkin to do dig.
Recspecs 02.08.12	Nahh http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=433528&listid=89639
someguest 02.08.12	"So you don't think women deserve equal rights as men or are you another one of those guys who focuses in on fringe feminist beliefs and extrapolates them to denigrate an entire movement?" lol
someguest 02.08.12	"there are over 200,000 (reported) sexual assault incidents each year in the US." sexual assault is just something the liberals made up
Emim 02.08.12	I remember when I went to a concert at a venue where they served alcohol and gave me an X on each wrist. I was all "I get it now!"
Emim 02.08.12	moar liek sexual ass-ault
Nikkolae 02.08.12	this list is all kinds of stupid but damn i didnt remember that andcas list haha fun times
MO 02.08.12	not even close funeral
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	wow that's even longer, this is my wang long. Lol joke 4 inches.
someguest 02.08.12	hey now if dino likes rush limbaugh then
ConsiderPhlebas 02.08.12	Get drunk, get high and consider women your equals is what I'm taking from this thread
someguest 02.08.12	dammit phlebas, I want to be the bread winner!
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	@cpmsder Phelma: sounds pretty groovy and don't forget to dopethrone too, ya ya no borin shit. This is real high stuff, helps you relax. @SXE:Why would you want to be worried lol what? It doesn't make you stronger makes you an idiot just have fun.
ConsiderPhlebas 02.08.12	Just stay at home and make yourself look pretty, sg
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	Cumdumpster Phlem
MO 02.08.12	"I just read this whole entire thing(fuck me)" no kidding this was a gruelling experience
ConsiderPhlebas 02.08.12	Are we even friends anymore, Funeralopolis? I have my doubts.
FrankRedHot 02.08.12	Only Phleb was around when we made the TMF thread that went close to 1000
Funeralopolis 02.08.12	I ain't hatin I was just self amusing sorry if I offended you, I am sure you are a great person I have nothing against you.
AfterTheBreakdown 02.08.12	damn