BigHans: Hans' Grunge Throwdown (best List Ever)

BigHans 12.14.11	Ive outdone myself this time
Restrikted 12.14.11	GRUNGE HAS ALWAYS MATTERED m/
MO 12.14.11	all about AIC and SG
Gmork89 12.14.11	YES! Perfectly done.
Emim 12.14.11	AiC has Would? as an iconic song. It's by far their most well-known song.
BigHans 12.14.11	disagree Mimsy. I should have put it as an iconic song but Man in the Box is by far their most well-known song. remember I was like 12 when Dirt came out. Rooster was a bigger song than Would.
Gmork89 12.14.11	Ya I would have considered No Excuses pretty iconic as well. But Man in the Box and Rooster are definitely the most, great job Hans.
BigHans 12.14.11	thanks Gmork. No Excuses is borderline for sure
AliW1993 12.14.11	Iconic songs : Nirvana, PJ, Soundgarden, AIC Greatest Album : PJ, Nirvana, AIC, Soundgarden Greatest Legacy : Nirvana, PJ, AIC, Soundgarden Influence : Soundgarden, Nirvana, AIC, PJ Songwriting : PJ, Nirvana, Soundgarden, AIC Album Consistency : Nirvana, AIC, PJ, Soundgarden Live Performances : PJ, Nirvana, AIC, Soundgarden Vocals : PJ, Soundgarden, AIC, Nirvana Guitars : Soundgarden, PJ, Nirvana, AIC Drums : Nirvana, Soundgarden, AIC, PJ Bass : AIC, Nirvana, PJ, Soundgarden Lyrics : AIC, PJ, Nirvana, Soundarden Nirvana - 36 PJ - 34 AIC - 25 Soundgarden - 24
Hordewolf 12.14.11	Definitely agree with this one. Though I never cared much for Soundgarden and Nirvana.
insomniac15 12.14.11	I'd rather be with an animaaaaal!!!!!! Best list ever
BigHans 12.14.11	Thanks Insomniac. Ali, obviously we disagree Wolf - m/
BigHans 12.14.11	so tempted to do one of these with Weezer vs Blink vs Green Day vs Offspring
AliW1993 12.14.11	I mean it's pretty obvious that the other three were all far superior musicians but I think that at the end of the day Cobain wrote the best songs (other than perhaps PJ). Love all four though.
BigHans 12.14.11	Ali, do you really think Cobain was a better guitar player than Cantrell?
ApplicationToHeaven 12.14.11	" Ten is the greatest grunge album for alot of reasons I dont have the time to go into here." ..Despite hardly being a grunge album
Hordewolf 12.14.11	"Wolf - m/" m/ But I gotta say despite Vedder losing some of his range I still like his vocals. Btw, are you gonna do the one with Led Zep?
TheNotrap 12.14.11	Not a grunge fan but I'll give it a try. ICONIC SONGS Pearl Jam (Nirvana close second) GREATEST ALBUM Pearl Jam - TEN (Nirvana's Nervermind close second) GREATEST LEGACY Pearl Jam INFLUENCE Pearl Jam (Nirvana close second) SONGWRITING Pearl Jam (Soundgarden close second) LIVE Performances Pearl Jam VOCALS Pearl Jam (Soundgarden close second) GUITARS Alice in Chains DRUMS Nirvana (Pearl Jam close second) BASS Tie (Alice vs Pearl Jam) LYRICS Pearl Jam Winner here: Pearl Jam
BigHans 12.14.11	Btw, are you gonna do the one with Led Zep? ^ yeah I just havent decided if Im going to have Sabbath or the Who face them.
KILL 12.14.11	dirt>>all good list bro
Hordewolf 12.14.11	I think the influence thing could get a bit tricky.
DoubtGin 12.14.11	wrong³
JWT155 12.14.11	Correct choice.
AngelofDeath 12.14.11	Pearl Jam eats dicks.
BigHans 12.14.11	Enlighten me, DoubtGin.
Maniac! 12.14.11	AiC is the rightful winner anyway but... "With apologies to AIC fanboys, Ten is the greatest grunge album for alot of reasons I dont have the time to go into here." you're a fucking idiot. Ten isn't even a grunge album.
Maniac! 12.14.11	and Layne not being the best vocalist here is ridiculously stupid. Cornell is the only one that is close.
BigHans 12.14.11	shut up Brandon your boys won
Maniac! 12.14.11	also Nirvana has the greatest Legacy and it is not even close. They were easily the most popular band of the decade without any question.
Maniac! 12.14.11	Sure they did, but this list is wrong in so many objectionable ways.
KILL 12.14.11	not sure how kurt sucked either his voice ruled
BigHans 12.14.11	Cobain died the year you were born, so its pretty obvious my grunge opinion outweighs yours. Nirvana had the greatest legacy for the first 5-10 years after Cobain offed himself. Now more people are wisely realizing that they get way more points just cause he's dead. PJ has a better legacy.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Nirvanas In Utero and Bleach (yeah thats right)." Bleach, sure. In Utero had less filler than Nevermind. Not to mention Cobain was a fantastic songwriter. Far better than SG.
BigHans 12.14.11	Nevermind absolutely destroys In Utero. Superunknown and Badmotorfinger are both better than Nevermind so not sure how that makes Kurt a better songwriter.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Cobain died the year you were born, so its pretty obvious my grunge opinion outweighs yours." hahaha, you're fucking kidding me, right?
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Nevermind absolutely destroys In Utero." wrong. "Superunknown and Badmotorfinger are both better than Nevermind" correct
AngelofDeath 12.14.11	Why did Vedder win best vocals? He should be last. singing like you just got injected with novacane at the dentist =/= talent
BigHans 12.14.11	hahaha, you're fucking kidding me, right? ^ No. Considering I had been jamming Nevermind, Badmotorfinger, Ten, Dirt, and Facelift for 2-3 years repeatedly before you were even born means Im much more qualified to speak about these bands legacies, etc than you are. Not sure how thats even a question.
omnipanzer 12.14.11	As I was reading through it I was placing PJ higher in a couple of places. I would have ended with PJ, AiC, SG Nirvana. I'm not tremendously bothered with the ranking you came up with though. "Pearl Jam eats dicks." AWWWWW BITCH!
BigHans 12.14.11	Why did Vedder win best vocals? He should be last. singing like you just got injected with novacane at the dentist =/= talent ^ Because Vedder didnt start to lose his vocal power until Vitalogy. His performance on Ten is Godly IMO.
omnipanzer 12.14.11	I personally love all of PJs albums through Yield, which is probably why I would have ranked them higher.
omnipanzer 12.14.11	I love all four bands though, great job Hans.
BigHans 12.14.11	I didnt count Yield Omni, I only went up to 96. Figured it was only fair since everybody else was defunct by then.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"^ No. Considering I had been jamming Nevermind, Badmotorfinger, Ten, Dirt, and Facelift for 2-3 years repeatedly before you were even born means Im much more qualified to speak about these bands legacies, etc than you are. " Being an old piece of shit doesn't make your opinion any better than anyone else's. Also I'm pretty sure the majority of the rest of the world would agree that Nirvana left more of a legacy than Pearl Jam. That's not even an argument.
DoubtGin 12.14.11	"Enlighten me, DoubtGin." PJ>Nirvana>AiC>SG
AngelofDeath 12.14.11	Well, Layne and Kurt died, so I'm not entirely sure that's a fair argument.
BigHans 12.14.11	Still remember exactly where I was when I heard Cobain died. This was before the internet pretty much. Was in 8th grade English class, 4th period. Saw it on this really shitty news program called "Channel One."
Emim 12.14.11	"disagree Mimsy. I should have put it as an iconic song but Man in the Box is by far their most well-known song. remember I was like 12 when Dirt came out. Rooster was a bigger song than Would." at least for the last 7-8 years that I've actually paid attention to what was playing on the radio Would? gets dozens more plays than any other AiC song. "His performance on Ten is Godly IMO." 123
Maniac! 12.14.11	Sorry, but Layne and Cornell had more vocal talent than anyone else in the "genre"/movement.
BigHans 12.14.11	Being an old piece of shit doesn't make your opinion any better than anyone else's. ^ It means I am much more qualified to talk about the effect of these bands since I was actually alive when they were important. This was my favorite kind of music from 91-94. I jammed all of these obsessively.
AngelofDeath 12.14.11	Also, McCready's like the sloppiest guitar player ever.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"^ It means I am much more qualified to talk about the effect of these bands since I was actually alive when they were important." yeah but you obviously don't know what you're talking about if you think that PJ had more of a legacy than Nirvana. That's just plain nonsense.
Hordewolf 12.14.11	Maniac vs. Hans vs. Angel. That's gonna be a fight.
Tyrael 12.14.11	Cobain's vocals sucked? Have you even heard MTV unplugged in New York goddammit
DominionMM1 12.14.11	"VOCALS. PJ 4, SG 3, AIC 2, Nirvana 1. Vedder's performance on Ten and Vs is out of this world. Cornell is probably the most gifted singer on here. Layne (RIP) was great, just not as good as the other two. Cobain sucked." but you forgot to mention Cantrell and harmonies that he and Layne would do. You couldn' tell me that any Vedder vocal performance is superior to Layne and Jerry on 'No Excuses'.
DoubtGin 12.14.11	biased
KILL 12.14.11	hey maniac hans you two used to be best buds what happened
Maniac! 12.14.11	lol I don't fight teddy bears. Also Angel is cool, no point in fighting him.
BigHans 12.14.11	Ill give you an example Brandon. Before Cobain died (I have memories, because unlike you, I wasnt a stain in your mothers underwear), almost everybody thought Pearl Jam was way better than Nirvana and it was rarely argued. The second Courtney either had him killed or drove him to suicide because she was a drugged out hell-cunt, everybody started saying OMG NIRVANA BEST BAND EVER. That has subsided now, and objectively speaking, PJ was the most prominent band before, and now after, he died. The end
Maniac! 12.14.11	" but you forgot to mention Cantrell and harmonies that he and Layne would do. You couldn' tell me that any Vedder vocal performance is superior to Layne and Jerry on 'No Excuses'." 123 "hey maniac hans you two used to be best buds what happened" I don't have any problem with hans, he just makes it easy to fuck with him, because he gets all revved up.
Tyrael 12.14.11	Oh Hans you hipster you
BigHans 12.14.11	Fair point about the harmonies, I should have titled it "lead vocalist"
DominionMM1 12.14.11	"everybody thought Pearl Jam was way better than Nirvana and it was rarely argued. The second Courtney either had him killed or drove him to suicide because she was a drugged out hell-cunt, everybody started saying OMG NIRVANA BEST BAND EVER." yep
BigHans 12.14.11	Cobain's vocals sucked? Have you even heard MTV unplugged in New York goddammit ^ That was by far his best vocal performance but it isnt better than Vedder, Cornell, or Layne.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"and objectively speaking, PJ was the most prominent band before, and now after, he died. The end" Not arguing that. when you ask someone to name a 90's grunge band, Nirvana will almost always be the first answer. They are the most remembered, well-known, and loved grunge act. Whether they were the best band or not. They left more of a cultural mark in the music world than PJ did. I prefer most of PJ's work, but that's not the point. That's legacy
BigHans 12.14.11	They are the most remembered, well-known, and loved grunge act. ^ from 94-2000ish, this was true. It wasnt before he died, and it isnt now.
Maniac! 12.14.11	It IS now.
BigHans 12.14.11	Heres Nirvanas real legacy: One good to great album, one ok album, a good unplugged album, a decent b-sides album, and a shit debut. Their singer killed himself at the height of the genres popularity. Dave Grohl went on to form Foo Fighters, and their first two albums are both better than anything Nirvana did. Krist Novacelic is a politician
Emim 12.14.11	girls, you're both pretty
omnipanzer 12.14.11	Ten was a fucking steam roller.
BigHans 12.14.11	I shouldve added one of the most famous songs of all time.
Hordewolf 12.14.11	"It IS now." No offense, but I highly doubt that. At least in Europe Cobain and Nirvana are not nearly as much of huge story as they were in the 90's. And now in 2011 you rarely hear people even talk about it.
omnipanzer 12.14.11	"Dave Grohl went on to form Foo Fighters, and their first two albums are both better than anything Nirvana did." WHOA WHOA WHOA, HAY NOW...
JWT155 12.14.11	Thank God Dave formed the Foo Fighters
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Heres Nirvanas real legacy: One good to great album, one ok album, a good unplugged album, a decent b-sides album, and a shit debut. Their singer killed himself at the height of the genres popularity. Dave Grohl went on to form Foo Fighters, and their first two albums are both better than anything Nirvana did. Krist Novacelic is a politician" Do you seriously think that's how most people look back on the band now? If so, you're delusional.
BigHans 12.14.11	"Dave Grohl went on to form Foo Fighters, and their first two albums are both better than anything Nirvana did." WHOA WHOA WHOA, HAY NOW... ^ Ill admit that part is not objective at all and is purely my opinon but yeah Foo Fighters m/. Colour and the Shape is my fucking jam.
Maniac! 12.14.11	""Dave Grohl went on to form Foo Fighters, and their first two albums are both better than anything Nirvana did." lol no
KILL 12.14.11	in utero is an amazing album, but omg foo fighters s/t is so fuckin good cant deicide
BigHans 12.14.11	Where the fuck is Feit
Maniac! 12.14.11	Getting Hans worked up about something is so insanely easy. Laughing so hard at my computer screen right now.
BigHans 12.14.11	Not even worked up bro, just owned you hard yessssssssssssssss
Jethro42 12.14.11	LED ZEPPELIN
KILL 12.14.11	haha these bands are too new for jethro
Jethro42 12.14.11	vs BLACK SABBATH
Jethro42 12.14.11	neck
Cipieron 12.14.11	Soundgarden>Alice in Chains>Pearl Jam>Nirvana if it was me ranking them Your past couple lists have been outstanding Hans, keep them coming!
BigHans 12.14.11	I might have to do a Zeppelin - Sabbath - Deep Purple - The Who throwdown.
BigHans 12.14.11	Thanks Cipieron
Maniac! 12.14.11	don't even try comparing Zep to Sabbath, that's just nonsense. Deep Purple - Zep - Who would be fine, but Zep would win by a landslide
Trebor. 12.14.11	I don't like any of these bands What do I win?
KILL 12.14.11	my rank will upset a lot of fags! but mine goes chains>nirvana>jam>sound fuck you all
Hordewolf 12.14.11	"What do I win?" -50 cred.
BigHans 12.14.11	don't even try comparing Zep to Sabbath, that's just nonsense. ^ I dont think its a fair fight to compare any one band to either of them.
Maniac! 12.14.11	For once, I agree Hans.
BigHans 12.14.11	which is why I might have them face off. I mean, both are often credited with inventing metal, or parts of it.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Hans, this was a difficult one to tackle. I think Pearl Jam took it in terms of popularity, both now and then, record sales, and legacy... Pearl Jam writes great songs. Yeah, I don't know... Nirvana's songs seem to connect pretty well with a wide audience, whereas Alice in Chains not so much, in my thinking.
Jethro42 12.14.11	Zep and Sabbath would be THE fight Zep wins anyway
DominionMM1 12.14.11	don't even try comparing Zep to Sabbath, that's just nonsense. true. no one will ever be as good as Zep.
Maniac! 12.14.11	Zep vs. Sabbath I couldn't even decide
Hordewolf 12.14.11	Zep has the advantage of John Bonham as being influential as fuck. Sabbath had Dio, also quite obvious.
Jethro42 12.14.11	truly hard yep
DominionMM1 12.14.11	Zeppelin
BigHans 12.14.11	now I might just have to do it
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Zeppelin, but Sabbath started metal No Sabbath, no metal
Maniac! 12.14.11	Dio > Everyone But I'd bang 70's Robert Plant
Hordewolf 12.14.11	"Zeppelin, but Sabbath started metal No Sabbath, no metal" ^ Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Well, here's where I am coming from with that... it sounds ridiculous, but how many metal bands were there before Sabbath? None
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Iommi used power chords and light strings because his finger was cut off working in a steel factory in England. That started everything
KILL 12.14.11	sup fade
Ire 12.14.11	zep ripped off like every band ever sabbath were like one of the most original bands of the 70s like seriously how is that even hard?
Maniac! 12.14.11	"how many metal bands were there before Sabbath? None" "Iommi used power cords, because his finger was cut off working in a steel factory in England. That started everything" sure, they started it, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened without them
BigHans 12.14.11	Iommi didnt invent the power chord, contrary to popular opinion. He just made it heavier.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"zep ripped off like every band ever" But they were the best in the world at ripping people off
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Iommi didnt invent the power chord, contrary to popular opinion." Anyone who actually believes that should be shot
BigHans 12.14.11	save it for the upcoming thread boys
Maniac! 12.14.11	I mean anyone who believes that he did
BigHans 12.14.11	Townsend used them before Iommi. Somebody who knows guitar theory explain this.
BigHans 12.14.11	ok, thats better Brandon
TheNotrap 12.14.11	"No Sabbath, no metal" Metal was inevitable. However without Sabbath's debut the genre had evolved differently.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Would we have electricity without Edison? Who knows? No one can say. Hail Sabbath
Maniac! 12.14.11	I'm not an idiot. Anyone who thinks Iommi invented power chords is fucking retarded and has no reasoning skills whatsoever
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Would we have electricity without Edison?" undoubtedly. you should just shut the hell up now
BigHans 12.14.11	fuck it, doing this list today.
Ire 12.14.11	iommi is one of my faves but lol he wasn't the first to use power chords are you all retarded
Maniac! 12.14.11	"but lol he wasn't the first to use power chords are you all retarded" nobody here is saying he did. are you retarded?
Trebor. 12.14.11	You Really Got Me was before
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	The power chord was invented before electricity. Metal came some time after electricity, but before Metallica (1980). What happened between electricity and 1980?
omnipanzer 12.14.11	"fuck it, doing this list today." Hans just got a motivation chubby.
Ire 12.14.11	woops misread your post maniac but yeah you are dumb
Maniac! 12.14.11	The power chord was invented before electricity. Metal came some time after electricity, but before Metallica (1980). What happened between electricity and 1980? are you mentally handicapped?
Maniac! 12.14.11	"but yeah you are dumb" I thought we were cool. I HAVE YOU ON FACEBOOK AND EVERYTHING
TheNotrap 12.14.11	What happened between electricity and 1980? Sabbath Zeppelin Purple Thin Lizzy Blue Cheer Kiss Alice Cooper Rainbow Scorpions Priest AC/DC ......
DoubtGin 12.14.11	there's no fight Zep would lose
Hordewolf 12.14.11	So even if he did (and I know bla bla power chord bla big deal in metal) still, power chords alone =/= metal. Also, what Notrap said.
Maniac! 12.14.11	yeah pretty much.
BigHans 12.14.11	Nevermind, objectively speaking, when I rated it out, Zeppelin destroyed them. Need to think of a way to have Sabbath go against somebody.
BigHans 12.14.11	Heres the quick version: Iconic songs: Zeppelin Influence: Sabbath Legacy: Zeppelin Songwriting: Sabbath, only cause of Zep's early rip offs Album Consistency: Zeppelin Lyrics: Zeppelin Vocals: Zeppelin Guitar: Sabbath Bass: Sabbath Drums: Zeppelin Live: Zeppelin Greatest Album: Zeppelin
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Maybe Sabbath and Priest?
Jethro42 12.14.11	=] And what led zep rip off are you guys talking about?
BigHans 12.14.11	already did Priest.
Trebor. 12.14.11	Legacy would go to Sabbath
BigHans 12.14.11	Jethro, you can find this easily by googling, but for starters, they flat out stole Dazed and Confused from some poor guy. The intro to Stairway is something they ripped off by one of their opening bands while coming up. I mean, the list goes on. Look it up.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Jethro, they ripped off candy from a baby anything and everything
TheNotrap 12.14.11	Not sure about the songwriting Hans... The "best guitar" is also a hard choice...but yes...Iommi is probably the most influential guitar player of the 70's (with Page and Blackmore)
BigHans 12.14.11	nevermind this comment was stupid
Jethro42 12.14.11	Sorry Hans for that new direction the thread has taken :/
BigHans 12.14.11	its alright man, doesnt bother me
DominionMM1 12.14.11	Guitar: Sabbath Bass: Sabbath yeah, i'm gonna have to...sort of...disagree with you there. yeah...uh...Sabbath has the better riffs, but Page was the Guitar General.
BigHans 12.14.11	maybe dude but riffs > life therefore Sabbath
BigHans 12.14.11	I mean, have you even heard the riff for Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
DominionMM1 12.14.11	I'll also mention the JPJ not only played the bass, he also played piano/organ/keyboads, mandolin, and hurdy-gurdy.
DominionMM1 12.14.11	I mean, have you even heard the riff for Sabbath Bloody Sabbath yes, and I'll retort by asking if you've ever heard Stairway to Heaven
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	John Paul Jones was amazing. One of the best. Hugely under-rated. And I'm with Sabbath
Trebor. 12.14.11	Page shredded the electric and the acoustic Have you even heard Bron Y Aur?
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	It's kind of difficult to compare instruments. Page was remarkable. Better than Iommi. Strictly legacy, it's Sabbath
DominionMM1 12.14.11	Have you even heard Bron Y Aur? fucking love that track. I spent hours upon hours learning to play that.
BigHans 12.14.11	riffs > everything
BigHans 12.14.11	John Paul was great but Id take GEEZER to the bank.
BigHans 12.14.11	Have you guys even heard War Pigs?
DominionMM1 12.14.11	Hans, on your tallica-deth thread, you did make riffs and guitar two different categories. I'm assuming you'll do the same for zep-sab.
Trebor. 12.14.11	riffs and chords are different, so I could see riffs and guitars being two categories
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	That's why it's tough to compare instruments. What is the criteria? Legacy is fairly easy
BigHans 12.14.11	Dominion, it doesnt matter anyway, because Zepp is winning no matter how it plays out. Maybe I should make it just to have the thread, Im sure it would go over 200 comments.
Nagrarok 12.14.11	I can actually agree with most of this, Ten is still one of my all-time favourite albums but AiC were arguably the most consistent throughout their career. I never cared too much for Soundgarden's other albums than the two. Cobain wasn't a great vocalist nor guitarist but he used both to great results at times; Nirvana's legacy clearly seems the biggest to me, even though I also consider them the 'weakest' band here. Your negative bias towards Nirvana becomes clear enough by dismissing Cobain's RIP, haha. Just pointing out Abbruzzese only played on Vs. and Vitalogy and Mike Inez replaced Starr after Dirt, doing his fair share of great bass work for AiC, but as far as individual players go they were the strongest in their departments. I need to see PJ live before Vedder's voice really starts to give out.
Jethro42 12.14.11	How disappointed I am about all these Led Zep ripp offs...It brings me fucking down.
DominionMM1 12.14.11	"How disappointed I am about all these Led Zep ripp offs...It brings me fucking down." there is some truth to it, though. Check out Elmore James and Bukka White and then listen to the first 2 zeppelin records.
Nagrarok 12.14.11	Zep did rip off a lot of things but their legacy easily exceeds Sabbath's, unless you're just considering heavy metal. JPJ his hardly underrated, especially compared to Geezer.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Backing up a little bit, no one can say that Sabbath invented metal. No, Sabbath was listening to Zeppelin and Priest, and they were listening to Sabbath. But let me tell you, Sabbath put metal out there for all to see. Priest is to metal like Black Flag is to punk, but Sabbath is to metal like the Sex Pistols were to punk (correction: Ramones). Where you rest your judgment is up to you
Trebor. 12.14.11	but Sabbath is to metal like the Sex Pistols were to punk. Ramones came out a year before Bollocs bro
Nagrarok 12.14.11	Sabbath don't deserve sole credit, but Tony Iommi invented the metal riff as it is known today.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	That's a good correction. I like that correction.
DominionMM1 12.14.11	but I will say that there were plenty of other bands that borrowed as liberally from the early blues as zeppelin. They just bore the brunt of the criticism from critics that were stuck in the 60's and thought that rock music began and ended with the Beatles, Stones, and Dylan.
Jethro42 12.14.11	I've seen enough for today about Led Zep. I follow these guys since more than 3 decades now, and I just learnd that shit...so hard to digest.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	I can still dig Zeppelin Jethro, there is going to be a "respite" period, but it will come back. It will. Trust me
DoubtGin 12.14.11	Led Zeppelin were pretty well-known for being copycats; at least that's what I thought
Jethro42 12.14.11	=] m/
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	In fairness, many of the instances of plagiarism fall within the realm of the fair use act. Page was probably plagiarizing plagiarists, so meh
FrankRedHot 12.14.11	Lol Sex Pistols.
Jethro42 12.14.11	My generation and all the pre-internet ones IMO were not aware of that, Doubtgin
Nagrarok 12.14.11	I'm surprised this is the first you hear of it Jethro. Dominion has a point though, and Zep's plagiarism had a far greater chance of being brought up because of their fame in the first place.
Jethro42 12.14.11	Maybe I grew up under a rock, then.
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Backing up a little bit, no one can say that Sabbath invented metal. No, Sabbath was listening to Zeppelin and Priest, and they were listening to Sabbath. " lolwut?
DominionMM1 12.14.11	rock=canada
Jethro42 12.14.11	Anyways, Led Zep remains the band I've jammed to the most during my youth. Theyre still #1 in my heart m/
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Maniac! you and I are having a hard time today.
FrankRedHot 12.14.11	Saying that Sabbath was listening to Priest is a joke, considering Priest didn't release anything until '74
Jethro42 12.14.11	RUSH = Canada Harmonium = Québec oui oui oui
Maniac! 12.14.11	"No, Sabbath was listening to Zeppelin and Priest, and they were listening to Sabbath."
Maniac! 12.14.11	Nick, you had to come in here and blow it.
BigHans 12.14.11	sorry to burst your bubble jethro. It hit me hard the first time I heard it too, cause I grew up worshipping Zeppelin. And everybody defending them needs to realize they didnt borrow, they flat out stole some songs (Dazed and Confused). Theres a big difference. That said, still the best rock band ever.
DominionMM1 12.14.11	i jest, of course, jethro. canada slays. And you forgot The Guess Who
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Zeppelin is still the best.
Jethro42 12.14.11	Nah I didnt forget The Guess Who. I just named two of the bunch =]
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	You two are carrying the point here. If it isn't Judas that started metal, then who did it? Sabbath
BigHans 12.14.11	The Guess Who fucking ruled.
FrankRedHot 12.14.11	"If it isn't Judas that started metal, then who did it? Sabbath" That's not what you said.
TheNotrap 12.14.11	"If it isn't Judas that started metal, then who did it? Sabbath" Black Sabbath s/t song is in my opinion the first heavy metal track.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Guess what? Sabbath was huge. Still is. Metal started somewhere
DominionMM1 12.14.11	hans, how about this: elo vs bto
FrankRedHot 12.14.11	"Guess what? Sabbath was huge. Still is. Metal started somewhere" I guess we're forgetting about your earlier comment.
Jethro42 12.14.11	My fave karaoke song from The Guess Who; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMF5GM0Kt8
Hordewolf 12.14.11	"Metal started somewhere" Probably, but more as evolving process which you can't really pinpoint. As with many historical events.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Not everybody can sing about flowers and happy stuff... Sabbath put this sentiment out there, and now there is a genre devoted to this sentiment that follows Sabbath. It's pretty simple. Whatever I said, it's pretty simple now.
BigHans 12.14.11	hans, how about this: elo vs bto ^ Dont know enough about either to do it. Trying to think of who could go against Creedence. the Eagles?
Nagrarok 12.14.11	Earliest known metal riff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjdgijpgOl4&feature=related
BigHans 12.14.11	Nag you should do a list like this. Find someone to go against Deep Purple, since you did their discog and all.
DominionMM1 12.14.11	wasn't ccr a little ahead of the eagles?
Maniac! 12.14.11	bah, should have noticed that Activista anti-MTV is a troll
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	riffs aren't songs. metal uses songs
Maniac! 12.14.11	Activista anti-MTV - Recent Tracks: Puddle Of Mudd Basement Puddle Of Mudd Never Change Puddle Of Mudd Bring Me Down Puddle Of Mudd She Hates Me Puddle Of Mudd Blurry Puddle Of Mudd Nobody Told Me Puddle Of Mudd Out Of My Head Puddle Of Mudd Drift & Die Puddle Of Mudd Control Puddle Of Mudd P*** It All Away
Nagrarok 12.14.11	Deep Purple are often considered a trinity of 70's hard rock, with, of course, Zep and Sabbath. I anything the three would be put against each other.
BigHans 12.14.11	Im surprised Pit hasn't come in here guns blazing with his "AIC isnt grunge!" argument.
BigHans 12.14.11	wasn't ccr a little ahead of the eagles? ^ Yeah. Just trying to think of similar styles. Creedance might stand alone. Creedance rules.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	haha gaga
BigHans 12.14.11	Manaic, do James Brown vs Ray Charles or something.
FrankRedHot 12.14.11	Well, AiC isn't really grunge, they just get lumped in with the grunge movement because of their origins.
BigHans 12.14.11	lol I remember you got into a vicious argument with Apollo about that.
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	I would've gone for the gaga, but w/e you and i lol
DominionMM1 12.14.11	i guess you could do eagles vs csn?
BigHans 12.14.11	that actually makes sense since they were both pretty much Super Groups.
Hordewolf 12.14.11	"riffs aren't songs. metal uses songs" Once again: progress.
BigHans 12.14.11	life > songs riffs > life therefore: riffs > songs
Jethro42 12.14.11	it looks logical
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	I don't think anything that I have said here is from left-field. I think that it's generally accepted that Sabbath started metal. First metal band = started metal
Hordewolf 12.14.11	You do realize that just repeating yourself over and over again doesn't make your argument any better?
Activista anti-MTV 12.14.11	Throwing down the gauntlet
FrankRedHot 12.14.11	Round and round he goes.
Trebor. 12.14.11	Whole Lotta Love is about coolaid
Maniac! 12.14.11	"Manaic, do James Brown vs Ray Charles or something." oooooo..... I think I will do something like that.
BigHans 12.14.11	do it fucker
BigHans 12.14.11	and dont delete it
SitarHero 12.14.11	Outstanding list. I pretty much agree with everything except for the greatest albums and the influence thing. It is my belief that while Ten and Nevermind were easily the most popular grunge albums, Superunknown and Dirt were both superior albums by sheer virtue of the fact that there wasn't a single weak song on either of them. Superunknown in particular is one long highlight even if it didn't produce any iconic (read:popular) songs on the level of Jeremy or Smells Like Teen Spirit. Also, as far as influence goes, look at it this way. EVERY rock band in the post-grunge period has imitated Vedder's vocals and Cantrells riffs. Every single one. While Soundgarden may have been there first and Nirvana may have inspired a generation of guitarists to stop working on their craft after learning how to play a power chord, PJ and AiC's legacies will live on (for better or worse) thanks to everyone from STP to Creed to Tantric to Nickelback to Hinder to [insert band's name here] ripping them off shamelessly.
iambandersnatch 12.14.11	Some people putting Pearl Jam and Nirvana ahead of Alice In Chains? I mean a) while it doesn't determine who is better per se, it is worth mentioning (on a grunge list) that Pearl Jam is barely grunge at all (more alt rock to be honest), even though they were from that era and area b) AIC has a very interesting sound, PJ's sound is much less unique c) AIC really didn't make any bad songs (other than a couple joke songs), everything they touched was/is gold. I realize that's a fairly subjective argument but I don't know if it's one you can make for PJ or Nirvana, if you're being honest with yourself. Oh and new AIC, while not quite as good as old AIC, is still > recent PJ stuff.
Relinquished 12.14.11	lol this list
BigHans 12.14.11	spot on, Sitar hero
tarkus 12.14.11	list inspired me to jam some AIC
BigHans 12.14.11	m/
TheNotrap 12.14.11	death metal vs black metal?
GnFnRs87 12.14.11	Alice > Nirvana > Jam > Soundgarden Agree with KILL basically ..... fuck you guys Keep doing these lists Hans, some good shit here
TheNotrap 12.14.11	trash metal vs death metal?
tarkus 12.14.11	Hans hates bm so it would be no contest
geng 12.14.11	Would dearly love to know what the reasons are for Ten being better than Dirt, but AiC wins overall so I'm happy.
TheNotrap 12.14.11	hair metal vs classic metal? Difficult choice for Hans.
BigHans 12.14.11	because it has Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy, Release, Porch, and Black.
BigHans 12.14.11	hair metal vs classic metal? ^ difficult choice for Hans ^ haha. Not as much as you think. classic metal wins. Never thought of doing genre vs genre. Also, thrash destroys death.
TheNotrap 12.14.11	Indeed classic metal rules hard.
geng 12.14.11	Yeah but Dirt has Them Bones, Rain When I Die, Down In A Hole, Rooster, Junkhead and Would?
tarkus 12.14.11	Beach Boys vs. Beatles
BigHans 12.14.11	They're both 5's. Ten doesnt beat it by much, for what its worth.
TheNotrap 12.14.11	^^ cool
geng 12.14.11	Fair enough. Ten is fiendishly good.
BigHans 12.14.11	Prince vs MJ Elton vs Billy doing those for sure.
TheNotrap 12.14.11	Bruce Springsteen vs Bryan Adams ^Another easy choice for Hans.
tarkus 12.14.11	Could do some punk like The Clash, Dead Kennedys, Minutemen, etc.
BigHans 12.14.11	lol not sure who would beat Springsteen.
BigHans 12.14.11	Im no authority on punk. I mean I jam it but not enough to talk about it intelligently on these lists.
AsoTamaki 12.14.11	AIC won so this is a good list. Too bad Soundgarden didn't do an MTV Unplugged. I'm sure it would have been as great as the other three bands.
TheNotrap 12.14.11	Michael Jackson vs Madonna
tarkus 12.14.11	Pit knows his punk/hardcore he could do like Bad Brains vs. Black Flag or something of that nature
Counterfeit 12.17.11	really late but list is tight as fuck sorry hansy but def good choice for winner
Maniac! 12.17.11	" Also, thrash destroys death." uh, no.
Tyrael 12.17.11	"Also, thrash destroys death." Death is the best band ever
LegendofPittman 12.17.11	Keep doing these lists, freaking awesome reads.
BigHans 12.17.11	Thanks Pittman Glad to see you around Feit Youre an idiot, Maniac
Maniac! 12.17.11	"Youre an idiot, Maniac" I still don't see what you have against death metal. Death, Suffocation, and Immolation are about as manly as you can get.
BigHans 12.17.11	Dont like cookie monster vocals. Thrash is way better. I like Death, the band.
BigHans 12.17.11	For the best explanation, read my Entombed - Wolverine Blues review
FrankRedHot 12.17.11	I'd make a hardcore vs hardcore list, except I don't want to.
Maniac! 12.17.11	A lot of the great DM bands don't have cookie monster vocals. I'd rec you some, but I doubt you'd listen to them more than once.
FrankRedHot 12.17.11	Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth ? Ooh heaven is a place on earth They say in heaven love comes first We'll make heaven a place on earth Ooh heaven is a place on earth
BigHans 12.17.11	Belinda Carlisle ftw
greg84 12.17.11	Without overanalizing it, I think Soundgarden is my favorite out of these. AiC - 2nd. Nirvana - 3rd. Pearl Jam - 4th.
Dreamflight 12.17.11	List is spot on, the only topics I may disagree are best guitars and vocals.
FrankRedHot 12.17.11	Yeah, I don't know how you can say Layne wasn't the best. That just seems illogical. Spock would be disappointed.
MisterSteel 12.17.11	Pretty much agree with everything here, even though I might prefer Soundgarden to Pearl Jam. Oh, and Layne is easily my favorite vocalist out of the four. As for future ideas, might be interesting to see Ozzy Osbourne vs. Alice Cooper.
Scoot 12.17.11	dirt is such a great album
Curse. 12.17.11	Layne is the best vocalist for I Stay Away ALONE
CakeWithCream 12.17.11	yeah Nirvana is not that great, and I love AIC. Although I would add Them Bones as an iconic song, I think everyone's heard it at some point
Inveigh 12.22.11	I know I'm late to the party, but... "They are the most remembered, well-known, and loved grunge act. ^ from 94-2000ish, this was true. It wasnt before he died, and it isnt now." I agree with Hans on this one.
CakeWithCream 12.22.11	"I shaved my head. And I'm not sad, and just maybe I'm to blame for all I've heard. And I'm not sure. I'm so excited. I can't wait to meet you there. And I don't care. I'm so horny. But that's ok. My will is good." Yeah he's a regular Stephen King
KjSwantko 12.22.11	yeah Them Bones might be AIC's most iconic song now, especially after being Guitar Hero
FrankRedHot 12.22.11	The only reason people think that Cobain was a "good" writer is because he was such a tortured soul that it's hard to believe he was a boring writer.
Sanders 12.22.11	2so tempted to do one of these with Weezer vs Blink vs Green Day vs Offspring" Do it, I'd like to see that
FrankRedHot 12.22.11	Weezer vs Blink vs Green Day vs Offspring? Might as well compare dog shit, cat shit, horse shit, and cow shit.
Sanders 12.22.11	Let's do that whilst we're at it then!
Inveigh 12.22.11	Offspring have a couple good albums. Weezer has two. don't give two shits about Green Day or Blink.
BigHans 12.22.11	The only reason people think that Cobain was a "good" writer is because he was such a tortured soul that it's hard to believe he was a boring writer. ^ this
porch 12.24.11	nawww cobain's vocals on stuff like milk it and negative creep > vedder's grunge whitney houston thing
random 12.29.11	Remember Seven Mary Three? "I can't go down to the water's edge!"
BigHans 12.29.11	Of course Random, I love that album
Inveigh 12.29.11	random returns
Dylan620 12.30.11	AIC and Soundgarden were so awesome when I saw them live (April 2010 and this past July, respectively). SG was a bit better though; Jesus Christ Pose rocked harder than anything AIC played, and I was kinda disappointed that AIC didn't play Down in a Hole.
Josh D. 12.30.11	Pearl Jam for the first three are obvious, but they are so easily the best grunge band in every aspect.
Inveigh 07.19.12	a Hans classic m/ also my favorite grunge band is probably Soundgarden, followed closely by Alice in Chains unless we're counting Melvins as grunge, because that changes things.
Maniac! 07.19.12	Kill yourself. AiC >>>>>>>>> SG
Maniac! 07.19.12	Consistency, songwriting, vocals, legacy AiC wins all
Maniac! 07.19.12	Die die die die die not even close. dumb bastard death to you!
YankeeDudel 07.19.12	It was always 1) AIC 2) Nirvana 3) Soundgarden 4) Pearl Jam to me. But they're all pretty close and different.
wacknizzle 07.19.12	Alice In Chains is the most-underrated grunge band but overall their discography is amazing and the amount of great songs is way above every other band. Nirvana is a close 2nd for me since Nevermind, In Utero, and Unplugged are amazing.
Maniac! 07.19.12	AIC PJ SG Nirvana
evilford 07.19.12	I'm with Inveigh here Soundgarden=>AIC>>>Nirvana>>>>>>>>>>>nail in foot>>>>PJ
drewcordova 07.19.12	No love for Mudhoney?
Inveigh 07.20.12	yea it's not like I don't love AiC and Nutshell is probably better than any Soundgarden song but I mean Ultramega OK, Batmotorfinger, Superunknown, come on
Relinquished 07.20.12	to me soundgarden rules harder than the rest
Maniac! 07.20.12	FUCK YOU BLAKE, FUCK YOU THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
evilford 07.20.12	Whoa
Counterfeit 07.20.12	its okay maniac itll be okay but aic wins dont follow trumps all
omnipanzer 07.20.12	AIC PJ Nirvana SG
PuddlesPuddles 07.20.12	AIC Nirvana SG Pearl Jam No TAD, eh?
Maniac! 07.20.12	< 3 u feitty
BigHans 03.15.13	bump for Dominion
DominionMM1 03.15.13	rad list g/
pissbore 03.15.13	damn bro only 1 garden album
omnipanzer 03.15.13	Too bad you don't have time to make NEW lists. :-( Site is missing some real Hans love bro.
BigPleb 03.15.13	Nirvana is he winner
BigHans 03.15.13	I cant think of any ideas to make new lists that I havent already thought of
theacademy 03.15.13	Hans melodeath throwdown m////
pissbore 03.15.13	SG > nirvana harder than any band has ever been superior to any other band
omnipanzer 03.15.13	You have writers block? You need a muse!
pissbore 03.15.13	"sean kinney wasnt that special" smh
BigHans 03.15.13	90s rock going hard today
pissbore 03.15.13	dont neglect 80s garden!!
BigHans 03.15.13	maybe Im having a senior moment and I feel I should know what youre talking about but Im drawing a blank.
pissbore 03.15.13	screaming life, fopp, ultramega OK, louder than love
BigHans 03.15.13	I like Louder than Love never liked Ultramega OK, Badmotorfinger and Superunknown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
pissbore 03.15.13	listen again bro beyond the wheel is cornell at his absolute finest and mood for trouble is the greatest song ever recorded
BigHans 03.15.13	Room a Thousand Years Wide = best Soundgarden song ever
pissbore 03.15.13	its up there but nothing to say >
BigHans 03.15.13	I dont recall that one will have to jam it
pissbore 03.15.13	screaming life dude check it hard
KjSwantko 03.15.13	Damn I remember this list. Agree with the ranking still too.
Inveigh 03.15.13	"Room a Thousand Years Wide = best Soundgarden song ever" agreed so hard also I love 80s Soundgarden, especially Fopp and Louder Than Love (certain songs off Ultramega OK), but Badmotorfinger is clearly their best album
pissbore 03.15.13	but those basslines in mood for trouble
Inveigh 03.15.13	yea it's a good tune
pissbore 03.15.13	the best ever agreed and cant forget about incessant mace
mandan 03.27.13	IMO PJ has better guitar solos than either Soundgarden or Alice in Chains. McCready's tone is the best here.
DominionMM1 03.27.13	Maybe, but Jerry's solo on sea of sorrow is better than any lead mccready ever did.
SitarHero 03.27.13	"IMO PJ has better guitar solos than either Soundgarden or Alice in Chains." Name one and tell us why. And not "Alive" or any similar wanky pentatonic solo which any rock guitarist worth his salt can play or come up with.
DominionMM1 03.27.13	mccready lifted his alive solo from ace frehley, who lifted it from robby krieger.
YoYoMancuso 03.27.13	laughed pretty hard at Pearl Jam and Nirvana edging Soundgarden in the vocals and drums categories. Rest of the list is pretty much accurate though and yeah Cantrell tears every other guitarist here to pieces
MrElmo 03.27.13	Subjective BS for the win
truekebabpower 03.27.13	Dave Grohl is a good drummer, but not for his work with Nirvana; he has by far the easiest and least interesting grooves, especially compared to the likes of Matt Cameron
YoYoMancuso 03.27.13	exactly, Cameron was limited in Pearl Jam but shined in Soundgarden, like how Grohl's potential is more realized in QOTSA
SitarHero 03.28.13	"mccready lifted his alive solo from ace frehley, who lifted it from robby krieger." Which songs by Frehley and Krieger?
DominionMM1 03.28.13	she and five to one, respectively
SitarHero 03.28.13	Just gave She a listen. He lifted the opening lick for sure, but not the whole thing.
DominionMM1 03.29.13	"I copied Ace Frehley's solo from 'She,' which was copied from Robby Krieger's solo in the Doors' 'Five To One'."
YoYoMancuso 03.29.13	also saying Soundgarden aren't great lyricists is pretty inaccurate, read the lyrics to 4th of July or Let Me Drown
mandan 12.31.13	I'm starting to rethink what I said earlier. McCready will prob have my fave leads of the 4, but AiC and SG win riffs. SG definitely wins drums for me. And, while PJ has some ok basslines, AiC and SG trump them in that category. Tbh, I'm no Nirvana fan, so I'm definitely biased towards them.
mandan 12.31.13	And yes, Cantrell and Stayley would win vocals for me. No disrespect to Vedder, but those 2 win it for me.
Ire 12.31.13	rip hans
YoYoMancuso 12.31.13	yeah on sputnik at least
tommygun 12.31.13	aic poop on sg so
NordicMindset 12.31.13	Alice in Chains are the best grungers ever so yeah
mandan 12.31.13	PJ has the longest discography of the 4, but then you have Vitalogy (not a bad album, but way too much filler). No Code isn't all that bad, but I think it could've been a tad more ambitious. Same goes for everything else they did before The Avocado Album (not too sure about Riot Act though). Maybe SG and AiC did the right thing in breaking up after DOTU and the s/t respectively (who knows what would've happened afterwards). PJ became somewhat of an experimentalist band minus instrumental ambition for the most part after Vs. Still, no PJ album is terrible imo.
NordicMindset 12.31.13	Nothing has really been excellent since Vitalogy. They are great records but not anything noteworthy
mandan 12.31.13	Haven't listened to Seaweed, might check out. Got plenty of listening on my agenda though.
someguest 12.31.13	who bumped this shit
SitarHero 12.31.13	This is probably the best list ever to grace Sputnik. It deserves a periodic bump.
mandan 03.02.14	IMO, Cantrell and McCready had the best guitar solos (although I'm biased there). Thayil had some cool ones too, but I don't like 'em quite as much. Kurt had nothing to offer there. In terms of riffs, I'd give it first to SG, and then to AiC. Kurt had some nice riffs, but wasn't in the same league as those guys, and Gossard's riffs definitely ranked the lowest in that regard.
zakalwe 03.02.14	A three year breakdown on the objective technicalities of an offshoot of rock that was about reverting to the ethics of punk and throwing all that bullshit in the bin. I've got the spirit, (never)lose the feeling, let it out somehow
MO 03.02.14	this list m/
mandan 03.02.14	It rules, yeah. IMO Cornell was better than Vedder. It's tied between Vedder and Stayley for me. Kurt easily had the worst vox.
mandan 03.12.14	PJ doesn't get enough love on the site these days.
mandan 03.29.14	Blind Melon and Tad were better than Nirvana imo.
SitarHero 03.30.14	Melon weren't really grunge though. Band still rules.
mandan 03.30.14	Well yeah, their sound was quite different from that of the Big 4. Grunge really wasn't a cohesive movement anyways, it was more like a salad, a collection of different styles. The common denominator imo (apart from the geographical thing) was that it was generally bleak, introspective and cathartic, as opposed to the hedonism of 80's hair metal.
ArsMoriendi 03.30.14	Ranking Vedder's vocals over Cornell's? That's just silly. Especially since Vedder's hideous voice is what drove me away from Pearl Jam.
mandan 03.30.14	I dig Vedder's voice ofc, but I agree that Cornell was superior.
SitarHero 03.30.14	I think that's a bit of an overgeneralization because then any almost any '90s alt rock band becomes grunge. Melon were much more laidback and mellow than the Seattle bands and were closer to a jam band than a metal or punk band.
mandan 03.30.14	Alrighty. You know your 90's bro.
SitarHero 03.30.14	Ha! I grew up in them. Possibly the greatest decade for music, along with the '60s.
mandan 03.30.14	Yeah man, I love the 90's. The 70's are close too tho.
mandan 04.08.14	Drums should've gone to SG imo. Grohl was pretty solid though.