klap: Elder Scrolls Online

klap 05.03.12	dubious
Niceinvader 05.03.12	Guild Wars 2
Maniac! 05.03.12	will suck
Maniac! 05.03.12	Guild Wars 2 will revolutionize gaming for the rest of history.... when it comes out in 2918
MMX 05.03.12	Guild Wars Dos
Niceinvader 05.03.12	I bet this Elder Scrolls MMO will take just as long.
klap 05.03.12	depends how they make it. if it's styled like WoW (which pretty much every mmo nowadays is), it will definitely be terrible. if they change up that whole formula and keep the first-person perspective, more open world environment (think ultima online with 1st-person - throwback!), it could be cool. would require multiple, huge servers though
Niceinvader 05.03.12	If they take out about 60% of the NPCS and fulfill those roles with player characters that have to work together to populate and enrich the world. That would be amazing. 1st person seems like a must for this series.
Trebor. 05.03.12	gay
Maniac! 05.03.12	lol described fallout, not elder scrolls
Trebor. 05.03.12	People who pay 15 dollars a month to not have a girlfriend are fags
Winsomniac 05.03.12	Guild Wars is for handholding carebear casuals. - Everyone with any skill in DotA 2
klap 05.03.12	hey treb just get stanzi to play this problem solved
AggravatedYeti 05.03.12	"(think ultima online with 1st-person - throwback!)" this would be amazing. I hope this kicks ass I cant deal with MMO's anymore but would love a return in the form of an amazing game.
Crysis 05.03.12	Will either be the greatest thing ever or will completely ruin the franchise. It all depends on how closely they follow the WoW formula.
NotSoFast 05.03.12	This is a horrible idea and it will fail miserably. And I know this for a fact, it will follow the same road as the infamous(as much as it was shitty) Final Fantasy MMO. I'm never buying an Elder Scrolls again if this sees light.
Winrar 05.03.12	KOTOR- great game SWTOR- shit MMO
Trebor. 05.03.12	Don't make a gay MMO and make Fallout 4 goddamnit
klap 05.03.12	pretty sure fallout 4 is in production
wabbit 05.03.12	no one is following the WoW formula anymore. KOTOR is the last major one that will. It'll be curious to see how they let people mod it since that is kinda bethesda's thing.
klap 05.03.12	^what makes you think that
Crysis 05.04.12	"no one is following the WoW formula anymore. KOTOR is the last major one that will. " As much as I want to believe that I don't buy it. Developers are looking for cheap and easy ways to get cash and using a tried and true formula like WoW's does just that. All of these big MMO's do the same. I remember when everyone thought SWTOR was going to break the chains and look how it ended up. This game will not be all Bethesda - ZeniMax Media has their hands in it - so don't expect it to be Bethesda through and through. Even so, I doubt any serious mods aside form the kinds you find in games like WoW to come through.
kris. 05.04.12	if this is anything like the actual elder scrolls games in terms of gameplay, no one will ever see me again
wabbit 05.04.12	well if you look at any new MMO's they are almost all dropped monthly subscriptions in favour of a free to play (or free to play once you buy it) model. And I mean maybe after WoW goes away monthly subscriptions are going to come back but I don't think people will want to switch back to such an expensive system especially when new MMO's will have a lot more competition than WoW ever did. And if you meant "WoW formula" in terms of combat I really don't think developers are going to rely on a system used ten years ago to overcome now nonexistent technical limitations also it's really fucking boring mashing 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 3 over and over again compared to something like GW2.
Storm In A Teacup 05.04.12	Gay
Crysis 05.04.12	I am almost 100% positive monthly subscriptions will remain for quite a long time. And by WoW formula I mean combat, interface, general play style, world construction, questing system, dungeon/raid system, guilds, player interaction, etc etc
klap 05.04.12	i'm not really up to date on mmos but i doubt there are very many successful ones that don't have a paid model. i don't think that's really a question. what i would like to see is a change to combat/gameplay, as everything in the last ten years has been so boring. but it's what the people are buying so i don't know if they'll change it. there's a reason no one has made a game with ultima online's type of gameplay, even though that came out in the 90s
Maniac! 05.04.12	EvE Online is still the best MMO
wabbit 05.04.12	I don't see them following that formula though. What this will probably be is essentially a single player elder scrolls game until you get to the end game content where you will have big raids and quests against oblivion gates, dragon priests, red mountain, warp in the west. And this would be really cool cause WoW level grinding is the reason I have never played an MMO.
klap 05.04.12	don't see any reason why they wouldn't follow the formula when thats a proven formula for $$
sifFlammable 05.04.12	there have been many other mmorpg games before wow that followed the so-called 'wow' formula
Trebor. 05.04.12	Why anyone would pay monthly for a game is beyond me
klap 05.04.12	what's your point it's a handy term
figure337 05.04.12	If they added more depth to the combat system and had Co-op questing and/or PVP it could be pretty damn awesome...but they could just work on FO4 instead and probably have more success.
wabbit 05.04.12	@klap GW was really successful and it was like 100% free and GW2 will be as big as WoW. Most haven't done well but that's because they were designed to be subscription and switched. But LoL Team Fortress 2 (not mmo's but kinda) have made boatloads of money with a free to play model. It just requires smarter marketing to entice people into paying for addition things.
klap 05.04.12	it was successful but not on the level of wow. and you can't really project for gw2 at this point. it's pretty much unheard of for mmos to not be subscription-based i sincerely doubt that's going to change. and that's not even an issue for me, its the gameplay that matters
sifFlammable 05.04.12	id agree with klap4music, the subscription is /ok/ if the game is /so/ compelling, which wow definitely was (is).
Crysis 05.04.12	'id agree with klap4music, the subscription is /ok/ if the game is /so/ compelling, which wow definitely was (is).' Agreed with this. I played WoW for almost six years and never once had a problem paying the subscription fees, so long as the content was there, which it was for most of that time. It's just after a while the magic of exploring was lost in the expansions which made things so easy and made the game so bland. I remember first walking around places like Stranglethorn Vale and thinking "Whoa, this is the coolest thing ever" or running from Stitches in Duskwood at level 20. World of Warcraft was a fantastic game in its heyday, it's just that Blizzard has rung the world and its lore dry while simultaneously streamlining everything. I would love to see this Elder Scrolls MMO be different than WoW but I see it running the same path if it follows that model of success (read: style of game) so closely (lest we forget WoW still is ~8 million PAYING subscribers). However, I feel as if it will be much like my experiences with Warcraft: brilliant at first but over time the magic wears off due to greed, a shitty player base, massive streamlining of the experience due to the demands of that player base, and an overall victimization of its own success.
klap 05.04.12	ehh to WoW's gameplay, i never played it but that kind of grinding gameplay doesn't appeal to me
sifFlammable 05.04.12	i think taking Elder Scroll and making another WoW would at least be a decent business-strategy - a way to invite those jaded from WoW/GW, while taking advantage of the already large Elder Scroll fanbase but then again, WoW didn't even need to take advantage of the warcraft fanbase such was its magnificence
MagmaWalrus 05.04.12	I can't tell if I've lost the will to live or not
Wolfhorde 05.04.12	"be a decent business-strategy" Even that doesn't have to be. If it isn't able to compete with other (probably more anticipated/well employed) stuff it doesn't seem like it has THAT big a chance. And with a schedule.. meh.. you can do only so much in certain amounts of time.
klap 05.04.12	pretty sure everyone here is still going to play the next single player elder scrolls regardless of how this does
theacademy 05.04.12	i wont lol
klap 05.04.12	i mean its no morrowind but we cant have everything
Satellite 05.04.12	i spent over 100 hours of consecutive gameplay on skyrim so i won't complain about the nitpicky shit. never been a huge fan of mmorpg's, but this sounds cool.
Wolfhorde 05.04.12	"pretty sure everyone here is still going to play the next single player elder scrolls regardless of how this does" Actually depends. After a certain time TES games get incredibly monotonous to me, I'll probably look into future Fallout projects though. (after all, the same engine was used for both games)
Satellite 05.04.12	yeah fallout 4 is gonna rule
Wolfhorde 05.04.12	I sure do hope so, I'm a bit reluctant since they got the original minds behind FO 1 and 2 (and I believe also Tactics) for FNV, but not for anything more than that. (not really sure why though) But there'll probably still be some nice mods, even if the engine for it might not be up to date when it comes out.
klap 05.04.12	they can get monotonous, but i don't think anyone does open worlds better than bethesda. this goes for fallout too
cagedescending 05.04.12	predicting failure here
MisterTornado 05.04.12	morrowind or bust
Wolfhorde 05.04.12	"they can get monotonous, but i don't think anyone does open worlds better than bethesda. this goes for fallout too" Depending on your definition of "open worlds" and how important that as criteria is. Are you talking about the monotony/open-worldedness with FO? If yes, then you're somewhat right, but there are definitely also quite some differences. My biggest hassle with Bethesda engines is partly rather "old-ish" look and a bit of a "primitive fighting system", although - as I mentioned - the great thing about those games is that you can pretty much mod ANYTHING.
klap 05.04.12	i meant it strictly in the size of the world and the free exploration, not in combat or the engine, which need to be overhauled
Imperial 05.04.12	Mortal Online is basically Edler Scrolls online. I can see it now. "COME BACK HERE WITH MY HORSE!".
Wolfhorde 05.04.12	"i meant it strictly in the size of the world and the free exploration, not in combat or the engine, which need to be overhauled" Well.. that's true. But as I said, the point is also a bit of how much of an important criteria the open world aspect is. And what open world implies, I mean I get it's often regarded as good. But often "open worlds" bring a lack of variety and proper plots/story with them.
sifFlammable 05.04.12	then again I can't really see why Bethesda would need to make a MMO out of such a successful franchise where the users will just gobble up the next elder scroll / fallout
Bloodhail 05.04.12	I really hope they dont use this as an excuse to not do a certain province in future games like oh we already covered elsewyr in TESO lol so were making skyrim 2
Emim 05.04.12	"I really hope they dont use this as an excuse to not do a certain province in future games like oh we already covered elsewyr in TESO lol so were making skyrim 2" bring on the akaviri!