AngelofDeath: Sputnik State Of The U/nion

AngelofDeath 12.07.12	lsit is digs
DominionMM1 12.07.12	m/
theacademy 12.07.12	paperback is a nice dude but not a great reviewer I like him a lot though he's swell m/
fireandblood 12.07.12	6, 13 and 18, killer. Ratos de Porao are so good live
theacademy 12.07.12	also deviant rules and is legend
JamieTwort 12.07.12	Paperback is a great reviewer.
theacademy 12.07.12	okay.
Tyrael 12.07.12	agreed
evilford 12.07.12	hey didn't I see this list yesterday
evilford 12.07.12	is it all the skele alts?
JamieTwort 12.07.12	At least his new alt (NagasakiBomber) seems to be using the soundoff feature this time instead of bumping the same threads 24/7
AngelofDeath 12.07.12	I'd say a good 40% of the userbase is now RavenRock.
8bit 12.07.12	So what is it we have to accomplish and how do we do it?
evilford 12.07.12	whoa wait, when I joined 11 months ago, there were like 50 or 60 thousand users, now there are 221k??????? wtf happened
JamieTwort 12.07.12	Skele happened.
Hyperion1001 12.07.12	a fullfleged sputnik bitchhunt? goddamn im in lets burn asnideremark, michaelshitballs, and andcas first please
Voivod 12.07.12	whoa wait, when I joined 11 months ago, there were like 50 or 60 thousand users, now there are 221k??????? wtf happened [2] I have been wondering the same for a while now.
Funeralopolis 12.07.12	200k alts
evilford 12.07.12	cone must be in there somewhere
alachlahol 12.07.12	double leopards pelt burned up bled dry at least youre still checkin out the good stuff
Keyblade 12.07.12	i remember a couple of years ago people used to complain about the new userbase, but now it's just ridiculous
alachlahol 12.07.12	so by a couple years ago you mean a year ago when you joined
Adabelle 12.07.12	Lol
MO 12.07.12	haha I'm with ya angel, this site has gone down the shutter
Keyblade 12.07.12	thought i joined early 2011, almost a couple of years now. but anyway, i used to lurk quite a lot for a couple of years before i joined.
DeafMetal 12.07.12	excellent list and excellently stated
SeaAnemone 12.07.12	it's okay guys, I'll come back, you don't have to beg but seriously yeah the site fucking sucks I suggested to mezz that people make a comeback to the site (not a novel idea) but it would be awesome if users like satellite, acad, romulus, yotimi, robin, knott, rasputin, hans, pit, porch, sniper, wonarabbit, spare, lewis etc. etc. came back... y'all just got summoned
Shuyin 12.07.12	lol
menawati 12.07.12	only joined last summer so didnt see the golden years but site has definitely gone down the shitter the last month or so, oh and paperback writes really good reviews
alachlahol 12.07.12	gone straight down the shitter
ffs 12.07.12	kill all mods
Hyperion1001 12.07.12	nah hopefully dev will delete the userbase
taxidermist 12.07.12	"whoa wait, when I joined 11 months ago, there were like 50 or 60 thousand users, now there are 221k???????" Is there really that many now? Jeez. "satellite, acad, romulus, yotimi, robin, knott, rasputin, hans, pit, porch, sniper, wonarabbit, spare, lewis etc. etc. came back..." Great users.
AngelofDeath 12.07.12	Well, he got rid of Rest, so that's a start.
JustJoe. 12.07.12	You make a compelling argument, Angel.
Scoot 12.07.12	agreed hard
omnipanzer 12.07.12	revolución
Inveigh 12.07.12	"satellite, acad, romulus, yotimi, robin, knott, rasputin, hans, pit, porch, sniper, wonarabbit, spare, lewis" I have conversed with like half of these users in the last week on sputnik but yes overall I agree we need a return to the golden age of 2009 ::::waits for even older sputnikers to harken back to the golden age of 2006::::
BallsToTheWall 12.07.12	VIVA LA REVOLUCION Thinking about reviewing 7.
evilford 12.07.12	also, Mr Bungle has disappeared from the db............
evilford 12.07.12	I hope dev wouldn't do that
omnipanzer 12.07.12	"lets burn asnideremark, michaelshitballs, and andcas first please" I like them... "satellite, acad, romulus, yotimi, robin, knott, rasputin, hans, pit, porch, sniper, wonarabbit, spare, lewis etc. etc. came back..." All great but I could do without a Wabbit return.
omnipanzer 12.07.12	"also, Mr Bungle has disappeared from the db............" It was reported in the Forum, they are aware. I hope Rest will stay gone though.
Apollo 12.07.12	2009 when I joined was awesome
omnipanzer 12.07.12	"I like them..." Well I don't actually know asnideremark but the other two are tits.
omnipanzer 12.07.12	"2009 when I joined was awesome" So you must be the problem ;-)
chambered49 12.07.12	yep site blows now
anarchistfish 12.07.12	"whoa wait, when I joined 11 months ago, there were like 50 or 60 thousand users, now there are 221k???????" yeah the numbers have been exploding recently. Even 4 or so months ago it was only at 100k
BlueW 12.07.12	I miss the 09 userbase
BlueW 12.07.12	we had shitty metalcore and opeth galore
klap 12.07.12	rabbit was never a good user
omnipanzer 12.07.12	No I think he was but he started bitching all the time and stopped being fun. When I joined in 10' he was great.
ZilbelPing 12.07.12	I joined in late 2010 but even then in late 2010/early 2011 the site was interesting/fun to use. Now it's horrible due to the boring conversations and the overabundance of unfunny trolls.
JamieTwort 12.07.12	I agree that the userbase has gone downhill rapidly (speaking from when I joined in 2010) but there's also been a lot of great new users who've joined since I've been here.
ZilbelPing 12.07.12	"whoa wait, when I joined 11 months ago, there were like 50 or 60 thousand users, now there are 221k???????" Holy shit, seriously? That's fucking unbelievable.
8bit 12.07.12	I joined early 2010, spent a ton of time on here in the summer. The main difference is that there was a more condensed community/userbase and every user was recognizable for the most part, now there are just so many new users. There were alts like tinkrbel and enrique that kept things hilarious. Something needs to change. Maybe if we suggested ways to make sputnik better in a thread and got behind certain ideas, sputnik could have a better sense of community.
anarchistfish 12.07.12	"The main difference is that there was a more condensed community/userbase and every user was recognizable for the most part, now there are just so many new users. " nailed it
ZilbelPing 12.07.12	"Maybe if we suggested ways to make sputnik better in a thread and got behind certain ideas, sputnik could become a better place." Yes but would people listen? Try having a serious discussion on a serious subject nowadays and you get bombarded with mundane responses among other things.
omnipanzer 12.07.12	""Maybe if we suggested ways to make sputnik better in a thread and got behind certain ideas, sputnik could become a better place."" There are already threads about this in the forum.
8bit 12.07.12	Guess we'd just have to ignore the mundane responses, they only keep posting because they think they're good at provoking. Obviously everyone on here comes for a better music experience, and honestly this site is better than /mu/ and a lot of other music forums just the way things are set up, lists and reviews are easily accessed. The userbase needs more incentive to writing reviews than getting a pos, I'm sure we'd see a ton of reviews if negs weren't just thrown out if the user has a bad rep, the pos/neg system just isn't the best. As for lists, maybe there should be categories you can put lists under, music, misc, advice, soundcloud etc. Those are just some of my thoughts.
8bit 12.07.12	Maybe some aspects of the forum should be brought into this part of the site.
KILL 12.07.12	insurrection is king :D
Scoot 12.07.12	hep knows what's up
NightmareCinema16 12.07.12	It's indeed nice to have people like Paperback to talk to. Otherwise, this site would be pretty lonely.
omnipanzer 12.07.12	"Obviously everyone on here comes for a better music experience" That's just it, that is why I'm here and I never have a problem getting it but I am afraid that might be disappearing. If I wanted Blue Collar Rock I'd hit up Hans, If I wanted some thing bad ass and cerebral I'd hit up Angel, Punk.. satty. Hans is gone angel and Satty are practically visitors and half the lists are about being disrespected. Of course I then am forced to make lists that are disrespectful because fuck them. ;-)
KILL 12.07.12	oldfags think they cool sputnik is king
SeaAnemone 12.07.12	at least there's no TMF anymore I mean look on the bright side guys
Recspecs 12.07.12	Fuckin right
Trebor. 12.07.12	Yeah
Scoot 12.07.12	"oldfags" maybe some
Azazzel 12.07.12	Burn and Rebuild
jdennis31 12.07.12	i listened to a few recs by someone this morning, forget who. someone else give me more. obscure shit that is not metal or ambient music. go go gadget sputnik.
HSThomas 12.07.12	I don't know why anyone's complaining. Sputnik's always been retarded, just the way it's been retarded has changed over time not the amount.
tarkus 12.07.12	not even that old but yeah i go in threads and im like who are these people they suck
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Well, people have complained for various reasons over the four years that I've been here, citing these self-proclaimed "glory days" or what have you, but I don't think things have ever really gotten bad to the point of mentioning until now.
Calc 12.08.12	i like when lists are all about me.
eternium 12.08.12	It's mostly just boring now.
cb123 12.08.12	yeah shit's gone downhill, very few threads actually talking about the music of said album, most are a bunch of high school popularity contests
MO 12.08.12	ooo didnt realize 16 was on here, rules so hard
mindleviticus 12.08.12	major fucking props for 3 love that album
toxin. 12.08.12	Idk if I'm the only one who doesn't miss all the Chan dick-sucking. I mean he's a great reviewer and shit but oh my God the site had a hard on for him like no other. On the other hand, this site has definitely gotten worse. I remember in 2011 posting a list when my dog died because I needed an anonymous outlet for some carthasis and holy shit Sputnik's reaction was great. Now, you can't even make a statement about Paperback being a great reviewer (he is) without getting a bunch of edgy fucks (acad is exempt from judgment since I can't tell if he's ever serious) saying how he's not.
eternium 12.08.12	"extol users like KILL, sonic, and Riff. These are the sorts if users that gave rise to the "herp derp faggot" slinging users that are the very problem." Thank you.
Calc 12.08.12	if something actually changed due to this it'd be a genuine miracle.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"At the same time, many of you-the listmaker included-are the same people that extol users like KILL, sonic, and Riff. These are the sorts if users that gave rise to the "herp derp faggot" slinging users that are the very problem. You made this mess so quit bitching about how it's gone down the shitter." I think you're way off base with this assessment. I mean, you don't have to like Sonic or KILL or Riff, but they're not stupid; it's not just inane trolling and slur-slinging. They know what they're doing and have a knack for it, and that's why they're liked and respected. Unlike the very users I referenced, they have good taste -- musically and in their sense of humor. It's not for everyone, but it's inarguable that they've contributed to the zeitgeist of this site more than just about anyone you could name.
toxin. 12.08.12	why would anything change? people have been bitching about the userbase since at least late 2009 when I started lurking you could ask the mods to do something about it, but what are they going to do? like Xenophanes said, the whole culture started from popular users like Sonic, KILL, Riff (well not really Riff, I'm pretty sure everyone hated him a year ago). you ban these guys and more people are gonna be pissed, and honestly they're too buddy buddy with the mods anyways. and lol at the idea of the site organically changing for the better
eternium 12.08.12	I generally just find them to be immature elitists, honestly. I don't see how accusing people of being faux music listeners and talking about Rush/Kate Bush constantly can be intelligent.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Kate Bush* "honestly they're too buddy buddy with the mods anyways." Lol. Are you serious?
eternium 12.08.12	I fixed it. I have no idea why my fingers typed Hudson when I meant Bush.
eternium 12.08.12	However, I think the saddest part is how groupthink plagued this site is. Kate Bush is the best example since nobody talked about her (on Sputnik) at all until those select few users made posts about her constantly.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	I feel like if you write them off as immature or elitist (well, excluding Riff, maybe) you clearly don't get their sense of humor.
toxin. 12.08.12	"Lol. Are you serious?" yeah okay I can acknowledge this may not be truth. but it doesn't invalidate anything else I said
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Well, Rush is the same way. Just look at how circle-jerked Clockwork Angels has been this year. But I'm honestly not complaining since they were criminally under-appreciated beforehand.
toxin. 12.08.12	"However, I think the saddest part is how groupthink plagued this site is" but this has defined Sputnik since way before now
eternium 12.08.12	What Xeno said. Sure they do actually have decent taste but the humor (to me) seems to consist of little more than name calling and giggling at each others' comments.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	I think it's just you taking them too seriously. Are you familiar with the concept of hyperbole? Caricature? You think Stephen Colbert is really a hyper-conservative in real life or is he doing a bit for a comedy show?
KjSwantko 12.08.12	Site has gotten pretty damn pitiful, especially in the last 6 months.
MMX 12.08.12	Can we have a trial period for new users and if they suck ass we can ip block them or some shit
toxin. 12.08.12	"also there's nothing wrong with this site at all, its a great community, the only problem i see is fuckin baby bitches runnin around cryin cause some guy in england said they were gay." imo you're missing the point. No one cares that you or KILL are doing this, esp since it can be funny knowing your personalities (particularly KILL, never found you as funny, sorry). But you guys nevertheless encourage the latest batch of idiots/trolls/alts/whatever the fuck is plaguing Sputnik, which just clogs up the site with unnecessary shit reviews, troll negs, stupid lists, etc. It doesn't affect me much since I listen to music that they don't care enough about to comment "fag" on but I look at enough lists to see where they're coming from
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"also there's no groupthink here, you have people who like good music and people who dont, its like anywhere in society. get used to it" See, this is a prime example why I continue to champion Sonic.
eternium 12.08.12	lol sonic is mad.
MeatSalad 12.08.12	What's 6 like? Been meaning to check it out
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Like I said, you can write them off as dumb or immature or whatever, but at the end of the day, they've contributed exponentially more to this site than anyone in this thread, with the exception of Academy.
eternium 12.08.12	It's not so much KILL and sonic themselves (even though they get annoying at times) as it is the newer users that see how they act as users, how much attention their pointless lists get, and attempt to make shitty copies of them except they use deathcore or some shit instead of Sodom.
toxin. 12.08.12	sonic, are you trying to be serious? "how am i a close-minded elitist? because i dont like la dispute? sorry i dont like horrible music" Ugh, do you remember the conversation you had with me about Rush about a year back. I said I don't really like Rush, you asked why. I said they're cool musicians but I don't really like Geddy's voice. You said, listen to this and this and also you get used to it. I said okay. You know what the difference here is? Just because I didn't like Rush at the time didn't mean I automatically called them "horrible music." I don't even like La Dispute, but there's definitely some merit to their music. I get it's easier and funnier to say "this music is horrible" or "sucks" but that doesn't exactly make you open-minded. "and the idea that im trying to be funny whenever i express any bit of feeling is ridiculous, you think i think im a comedic genius when i call someone a fag? its not to be funny, its cause you're bein a fag" truth be told, I (and I speak for myself) just assume you're trying to be funny because otherwise you're an insufferable asshole, and I figure why make Sputnik more unpleasant
iridetheshortbus 12.08.12	xeno does have a point
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"lol sonic is mad." Again, a misplaced assessment.
MeatSalad 12.08.12	Sweet thanks for the info guys
toxin. 12.08.12	"and when do i encourage the "latest batch of idiots"? what makes you so fuckin smart? because you use correct grammar on sputnikmusic? grow the fuck up ----- As if I have any intention of getting in an argument with you. I prefer mature users, sorry buddy. Also, sorry Angel because I'm sure I'm pissing you off by kinda-sorta attacking your bud Sonic, and you've been one of the users I respected the most (even if we don't talk at all) for a while now
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Sonic and KILL are also the only reason people give two shits about classic or progressive rock on this site. Up until maybe a year ago, you would never see or hear about it except from maybe me or Jethro.
toxin. 12.08.12	"the fact that youre referencing shit i said a year ago shows thats youre just a typical little bitch" ----- Exactly the kind of attitude driving the site to shit. Your logic doesn't even make sense, for starters, and it's not even directly addressing my point. In fact, that's one of the saddest attempts to actually avoid the conversation I've seen.
liledman 12.08.12	Charles was doing a better job of trolling this site four years ago, and the user base wasn't this shit. I think that the main difference between now and maybe a couple of years ago, maybe more, is that the new users have no desire to become "a good user". There is such a large amount of immature people who love defeater (maybe that is too high-brow for them anyway) and whatever else is slapped on the front page to attract page views, that people now come here to inflict themselves upon the site rather than gain something from it. I totally agree with you Angel. The truly good users do not have too much of a presence here any longer.
toxin. 12.08.12	"SONIC WAAAAHHHH YOU SAID RUSH RULED I DONT LIKE THEM THOUGH WAHHHH AND YOU WERE SO DISRESPECTFUL" lol, way to miss the point. "Sonic and KILL are also the only reason people give two shits about classic or progressive rock on this site. Up until maybe a year ago, you would never see or hear about it except from maybe me or Jethro" Agreed dude, their constant Rush praising got me to try some out, and I absolutely dig their latest album.
SgtPepper 12.08.12	Thanks for the compliment Angel. And everyone else who has supported me. Now, I'll admit that there have been an overabundance of trolls and overall immature behavior on the site but it's not all that bad of a problem. Like xeno said, the best way to get rid of them is by simply ignoring them. Trolls will always be a problem here because its a wiki styled site where anyone can contribute any mindless dribble to the site. As long as there are people who live boring lives and have access to the Internet, trolling will always thrive. The best we can do is ignore them, not comment on their content And their numbers will decrease. Sputnik is still a great place and I've met a lot of amazing people here. I'm still a relatively new user so I wasn't here for the golden age, but this site has a lot of potential to be really great. And because its a community drive. Site, we have to do our part to help push it forward.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"Also, sorry Angel because I'm sure I'm pissing you off by kinda-sorta attacking your bud Sonic, and you've been one of the users I respected the most (even if we don't talk at all) for a while now" I really appreciate this, but it's cool. I mean, I can totally see why people don't like Sonic or KILL. I've personally always enjoyed conversing with them and just feel like they're easily misunderstood, I guess. "What's 6 like? Been meaning to check it out" Sorry if this was a bit delayed, but it's island/Caribbean-ish music with like psychedelic folk and stuff. Like Comus gone voodoo or something.
MeatSalad 12.08.12	Sounds sweet, thanks angel
toxin. 12.08.12	Yeah I edited that out, but the conversation ended when you resorted to sarcasm/ making a fool out of yourself anyways. Whatever, I'll give you a break since you're 16. I think this back-and-forth speaks for itself anyways. You demonstrated my point far better than I could have expressed it. If you have some actual substance to say or someone more reasonable responds maybe this thread will be worth responding to
MO 12.08.12	"how am i a close-minded elitist? because i dont like la dispute? sorry i dont like horrible music" motherfucking lol
Yuli 12.08.12	We wouldn't have all this shit on the site if we didn't let our local favorites get away with anything, no matter how much we may enjoy them!
NightmareCinema16 12.08.12	It's the internet. Music reviewing seriously is going to be pretty difficult. Let's just be glad that there are actually users who do that type of work in the first. Let's just say I'd be very nervous if they did userbase purging. I tried my best to be a normal user and don't want to feel like I'm going to be knocked off for life. :{
toxin. 12.08.12	"mindless dribble" drivel* sorry man, I just had to do it. I really appreciate this, but it's cool. I mean, I can totally see why people don't like Sonic or KILL. I've personally always enjoyed conversing with them and just feel like they're easily misunderstood, I guess. ---- No problem. I'm not a fan of sonic's personality (clearly) though I still maintain that KILL's hilarious, but I definitely see why you like them. I'd imagine if you're well-versed on prog and metal and classic stuff, you could have great conversations about music with them.
eternium 12.08.12	The race to be a popular user has changed from posting informative lists consisting of bands/albums in a genre to posting pointless lists about a non-music related topic to start arguments and gain as many comments as possible, usually by as much trolling as possible.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"angel you rule but thats a stretch dude there are at least 7 people who like good old school rock here" It may have been somewhat exaggerated, but you still made my point. I mean, seven users out of a hundred or so active users is still pretty paltry. "I think that the main difference between now and maybe a couple of years ago, maybe more, is that the new users have no desire to become "a good user". There is such a large amount of immature people who love defeater (maybe that is too high-brow for them anyway) and whatever else is slapped on the front page to attract page views, that people now come here to inflict themselves upon the site rather than gain something from it." This completely articulates my feelings toward the direction this site has gone in, and it couldn't have come from a more exemplary user.
toxin. 12.08.12	As a general response to you, sonic, I'd just like to point out that this is really just how I type. I'm not trying to sound highbrow and I don't think I am. Also I don't consider myself a hipster and I don't listen to hipster music, unless alt rock nowadays is seen as hipster. Of course there's some hipster-y stuff but it hardly defines my taste anyways. But if that's the best insult you can come up with, carry on
Ethics 12.08.12	WHY DO WE FALL?????????
Winsomniac 12.08.12	Dude you have a chode? :/
Winsomniac 12.08.12	Shit.
SgtPepper 12.08.12	Thanks xtoxin for catching that mispelling. @Nightmare I'm sure they weren't serious about getting rid of the userbase aspect of the site because if they did, Sputnik would lose its appeal.
Yuli 12.08.12	"fyi all the shit kill does that people think is funny, i was doing in like 2008 (ask him, he admits to ripping off my reviews) so once again youre being a hipster bitch to appear open minded with the whole I LIKE SOME METALHEADS!! IM OPEN MINDED schtick you hipsters like to pull out your american apparel covered asses" In other words, you were the progressive troll master before it became cool? Hehe.
toxin. 12.08.12	I can only speak for myself, but that isn't why for me. KILL seems to be 100% online persona. sonic, as proven by this post, sometimes breaks the persona (or apparently doesn't even have one) which makes him more of a jackass. Are there examples of KILL breaking his persona? I don't know and I don't really care. I'm just speaking from a few experiences of me randomly browsing reviews and lists
Ethics 12.08.12	this is serious
menawati 12.08.12	whats 100% online persona mean
Winsomniac 12.08.12	Trying to figure out Mappy's new gender is probably more fun than this.
iridetheshortbus 12.08.12	"whats 100% online persona mean" that the way they act on here is nothing like who they really are, which is the case with many users i believe.
menawati 12.08.12	fuck im at 0% i need to wise up
toxin. 12.08.12	"whats 100% online persona mean" as in he posts for the sake of being funny When I post, I generally mean it as some sort of representation of myself. Like if you asked me this IRL I'd probably give a similar response. KILL always gave off the impression he just calls people queer for liking other music to be funny. "what makes you think kill's a persona? the guy loves good tunes" not the music part but the rest of his sputnik existence, so to speak. You do raise a good point. I just took it for granted that he's a persona and you're only part of one (although I now know you're not, which is a shame, but you're 16 and have time to turn it around). I'll probably continue to do so anyways since otherwise he stops being funny.
toxin. 12.08.12	funny's the wrong word actually, it's something more humorous? sonic, don't think that's relevant, though yeah an album or two a few years ago
MO 12.08.12	"It's not so much KILL and sonic themselves (even though they get annoying at times) as it is the newer users that see how they act as users, how much attention their pointless lists get, and attempt to make shitty copies of them except they use deathcore or some shit instead of Sodom. " This is actually the most accurate observation in the whole thread. KILL and sonic rule and are so good at what they do it's ridiculous. But it's something that can be mimicked the easiest. Someone new to the site coming on and trying so hard to deliver something of try substance over and over is hard. So spamming a few set in stone bands, being all "ure gay", "lol fag" and racking up comment and review counts seems to be the way users try to get their names out as fast as possible. Which is the other problem, speed. No one takes their time and just work the site to death in a small amount of time it's staggering sometimes.
iridetheshortbus 12.08.12	xtoxin is absolutely right about the influence to new users though. thats the main reason this community is in the shitter these days
toxin. 12.08.12	k sonic. This was an interesting convo with Angel and Xeno chiming in but now it's boring again. That's surprisingly analogous to Sputnik. But yeah now I'm gonna go buy some food and then study for finals. I have more interesting things to do than this (like linear algebra... matrices yeah!!)
toxin. 12.08.12	"no offense xtoxin but i do think you take stuff too seriously sometimes" not sure what this is a reference to? If that were true I'd be taking this conversation with sonic seriously but I'm not really. If you mean just my general annoyance with the condition of the site, eh maybe. I generally don't think about it since I only comment on bands I know (which is a really small fraction of Sputnik's taste). Only because it's been brought up (both in this thread and the other) that I think about it. Or if you mean something like my pestering Chan on why he disliked Anberlin's latest but what can I say, I actually enjoy musical discussion and wanted to hear his opinion beyond a few generalizations
toxin. 12.08.12	also dammit I have no appetite but I really should be studying, Lakes why'd you have to post I actually want to hear what you have to say
Sleaper 12.08.12	"We must band together to take back what is rightfully ours from this grievous horde of inbred mouth-breathers. Deshi basara; deshi basara!" if you wanna turn sputnik into a metalfest thats cool with me. Ill delete my account.
menawati 12.08.12	no u dont lakes is vapid
Funeralopolis 12.08.12	metaliscool
menawati 12.08.12	see, vapid
witchxrapist 12.08.12	who is angelofdeath, if it's not an alt im pretty sure he wasnt here when the good taste users were around
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"if you wanna turn sputnik into a metalfest thats cool with me. Ill delete my account." Nah, stick around. This site has been in desperate need of some more Animal Collective fans.
toxin. 12.08.12	"yup. i can understand the frustration but you have to let it go because it's not going to change anytime soon" Oh. Yeah I dunno, it's just such a stark change. On most of the threads I post in, I talk to guys like Cyg, you, SS (though for some reason he seems to ignore me now), Waior, ties, Ecnal, Atari, etc. all of whom are cool people I enjoy talking to in general. Just kind of disappointing to leave these threads and see this. You're probably right though, but then again it's only these meta-conversations where I even notice my frustrations with the site (since otherwise I don't really bother)
menawati 12.08.12	vapid is good, im very vapid too
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"i'm right here angel, animal collective vinyl and shirt in hand." 5'ing Close to the Edge gets you a free pass.
toxin. 12.08.12	Yeah you're right, I should be. You know what they say... starting is half the battle. I think I'll just go buy food for when I want to eat
NightmareCinema16 12.08.12	That should clear my worries for the time being. I'll continue to review with the attempt of grandiose and accuracy.
menawati 12.08.12	is the storm over now
toxin. 12.08.12	This ended rather nicely. Good segue to studying. Right after I shower and use yet another excuse to not study though
menawati 12.08.12	lakes wipes a tear from his eye
menawati 12.08.12	"i remember a time when i could look at the front page and recognize the name of every user" but you still get that when one of skeles alts comes online and spams 40 different threads
Scoot 12.08.12	tearz
Deviant. 12.08.12	So many reported posts linking to this thread Play nice kids
Trebor. 12.08.12	When I'm king, you will be first against the wall
Scoot 12.08.12	BUT I WISH I HAD THE CHANCE TO SAY THESE THREE WORDS
Deviant. 12.08.12	"wtf i didnt even do anything" your whole "you're a fag" thing kind of went out the window after the first time you used it. To be perfectly honest with you, I really would have no qualms about deleting every single comment of yours
MO 12.08.12	whoa
Scoot 12.08.12	and boom goes the dynamite
NightmareCinema16 12.08.12	I just comment. That's all.
NightmareCinema16 12.08.12	...?
MO 12.08.12	"and boom goes the dynamite" steven jackson's david
menawati 12.08.12	i got my actors list deleted for not having keanu reeves on it, was like an arrow through the heart
toxin. 12.08.12	oh is that why it got deleted? I was wondering where that went
Scoot 12.08.12	reggie millers looking good he shoots the three AND IT'S GOOD later he gets the rebound and passes it to the man
Keyblade 12.08.12	whoa devstomp
menawati 12.08.12	yes it was a justified deletion i erred majorly in not including him
Deviant. 12.08.12	"deviant is on the offensive. i'm sure i've been one of his targets for some time now, shit" No, and define "some time". I've been a mod for what, 4-5 days now
menawati 12.08.12	looked to me like quite a few troll lists were deleted fast today which was really good, guess i got caught up in the flak haha
NightmareCinema16 12.08.12	Don't people ever think real?
ZilbelPing 12.08.12	"it's disappointing to hear the deletion of the rest thread was due to a database bug, but bravo nonetheless" The means of its disappearance doesn't matter as long as it's gone.
NightmareCinema16 12.08.12	Most times, users don't really think much of the purpose of this site (if there ever was a true one) anymore. The ones who do devote take hours of their time to write a meaningful review. Has the spirit truly changed?
Deviant. 12.08.12	"agreed, but it should have happened a long time ago. and there's still the hundreds of rest alts out there who have never been banned" And yet people continually bump the thread. I'm not addressing this to you, just in general, but the people doing the majority of the complaining are generally the ones paying far too much attention to what they're getting upset about. Here's a thought - ignore it, or if it's a comment or whatever, simply report it and then forget about it. Yeah, there re some immature fuckwits on this site, but there's also far too many sensitive souls getting uppity at the first sign of any and every little thing
MO 12.08.12	"Here's a thought - ignore it" a concept wayyy too many people have a hard time grasping
Deviant. 12.08.12	If the whole "Rest thing" is such a big deal, why does Pizza's review for the "album" have 6000+ comments? Granted they're mostly Storm In A Teacup being a complete tool (seriously, why did he come back?) but you'd think such an apparent joke would simply be ignored? Instead the thread is a who's who of the dipshits of this site
RetroSpective 12.08.12	"Granted they're mostly Storm In A Teacup being a complete tool (seriously, why did he come back?)" LOL
Nikkolae 12.08.12	tl;dr, Si vis pacem, para bellum, im game.
demigod! 12.08.12	i think sputnik is alright really. It's been better of course, but as long as i can still come here and discuss the music i love freely then it's alright in my book. the alts and shit are getting annoying as hell but it's getting to the point that i just don't give a crap about them anymore. pretty easy to ignore them. and yeah fuck Snide
klap 12.08.12	honestly if anyone is defending sonic or kill they should probably just kill themselves no offense intended sonic but totally intended
ZilbelPing 12.08.12	lol
toxin. 12.08.12	"If a review's not good, then hell, it should be deleted, not just a user's first review being moderated" why should it be deleted? Troll reviews I can see, but why delete poorly written reviews? And what requirement is there for poorly written?
toxin. 12.08.12	lol did sonic neg one of my reviews how petty
ZilbelPing 12.08.12	"lol did sonic neg one of my reviews how petty" I don't know, you did kinda provoke him (for lack of a better word). What'd you expect? A sonic apology consisting of "no retard get it right"? alert the modz!
Ignimbrite 12.08.12	I have not heard of a single album on this list. 2 kvlt 4 me
Ethics 12.08.12	we live like penguins in the desert why cant we live like tribes
toxin. 12.08.12	"I don't know, you did kinda provoke him (for lack of a better word). What'd you expect? A sonic apology consisting of "no retard get it right"? alert the modz!" Are you kidding? I provoked him? And into a ghost neg? Oh no, because you ignored my sophomoric insults, I'm going to lower your approval percentage because it means so much! Never mind that I look like a 12 year old for doing that. And here I thought you weren't an idiot!
Ignimbrite 12.08.12	Maybe not, but he's outside of my music tastes so idk
Ignimbrite 12.08.12	And yeah, I joined on a different account back in 2009 or so and it's definitely different now. Many good users have left, but I still love it here because there are enough of the old crowd left and there are plenty of really cool medium to new users around. Also, I think that the average review quality has improved since I joined.
ZilbelPing 12.08.12	"Are you kidding? I provoked him? And into a ghost neg? Oh no, because you ignored my sophomoric insults, I'm going to lower your approval percentage because it means so much! Never mind that I look like a 12 year old for doing that. And here I thought you weren't an idiot!" This entire thread, you're insulting sonic and proclaiming how you don't take him seriously and when he troll negs you, you're actually surprised? C'mon, dude. It's expected. Oh well. Move on.
ZilbelPing 12.08.12	"I think that the average review quality has improved since I joined." This is very true. Take a look at early users' average reviews compared to an average user review nowadays and the difference in quality is huge.
ITsHxCTOASTER 12.08.12	What the fuck happened in this thread? Angel was just trying to show some apprecation for the mods and stuff and get the cool folks to gather 'round and then it turned into everyone whining about how they don't like sonic. Get the fuck over yourselves
demigod! 12.08.12	i miss silentpotato already :[
ITsHxCTOASTER 12.08.12	I am a angry bitch
toxin. 12.08.12	"This entire thread, you're insulting sonic and proclaiming how you don't take him seriously and when he troll negs you, you're actually surprised? C'mon, dude. It's expected. Oh well. Move on." Oh that qualifies as insulting? Sorry, in the land of "faggot" and "kill yourself" I didn't realize "I don't take you seriously" is such a cutting insult, excuse me for my bluntness! With that said, I wasn't surprised at all, just amused. "Angel was just trying to show some apprecation for the mods and stuff and get the cool folks to gather 'round" Did you major in selective reading or something?
toxin. 12.08.12	damn it I keep starting arguments, damn
toxin. 12.08.12	Any of you know switch operators? Got a question on them
johnnyblaze 12.08.12	hey guys whats up i'm really superhigh and im gonna go to bed cuz its 4 but i just wanna say ths list was pretty funny. but srsly stop bitching about users and uciking talk about music and stop overanalyzing this shit cuz fuck its the internet you fucks. k bye
alachlahol 12.08.12	why does xtoxin post so much
alachlahol 12.08.12	who is this guy martin luther king
Aids 12.08.12	"Well, people have complained for various reasons over the four years that I've been here, citing these self-proclaimed "glory days" or what have you, but I don't think things have ever really gotten bad to the point of mentioning until now." ^^^ I hate this place but am addicted to rating albums. gotta revamp my RYM account I think. so many good users have bailed, and I don't blame them.
toxin. 12.08.12	"why does xtoxin post so much" gives me an excuse not to study tomorrow and Sunday are no fun days so
Aids 12.08.12	"honestly if anyone is defending sonic or kill they should probably just kill themselves no offense intended sonic but totally intended" sonic and kill are not the problem with this site. the people that take their obvious bullshit seriously and stir shit are (part of it)
Aids 12.08.12	same goes for Riff/base those users are only "bad" or "irritating" if you're a mouthbreather
Wolfhorde 12.08.12	adrian nailed the principle, we also still have people like jash, tanner, captain, hans is comin' 'round again, potsy, greg, omni, jethro & JT when they're here, twinkling Tyr ect. pp. blahblah.
Keyblade 12.08.12	even sonic and kill contribute to the site though apart from their (quite obvious) horsing around. it's the shitty users like progmaster who contribute nothing and spend all their time bitching about albums and other users' ratings that degrade the quality.
aok 12.08.12	"do u think deviant made sputnik a better place?" yes
JamieTwort 12.08.12	Agreed with Aids, Wolf and Keyblade.
Irving 12.08.12	Angel. Review more pls. =)
Irving 12.08.12	Anyone remember MichaelJordan?
clercqie 12.08.12	"I think you're way off base with this assessment. I mean, you don't have to like Sonic or KILL or Riff, but they're not stupid; it's not just inane trolling and slur-slinging. They know what they're doing and have a knack for it, and that's why they're liked and respected. Unlike the very users I referenced, they have good taste -- musically and in their sense of humor. It's not for everyone, but it's inarguable that they've contributed to the zeitgeist of this site more than just about anyone you could name." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm sorry, but this is just a wrong approach. There is absolutely NO reason at all to resort to namecalling, at hominem attacks and just shitty behaviour in general, just because "it's the internet, deal with it". People don't converse to one another in the same way in real life, unless they have really shitty personas, now do they? And by saying "Grow a sense of humor, they are not supposed to be taken seriously", you just encourage this type of behaviour. A basic form of respect for one another is severely needed around here. My two cents.
SIMBOLIC 12.08.12	i think a lot of the shitty users are funny. they help make it interesting because you can laugh at them
Winrar 12.08.12	you do realize that you are one of them right?
Wolfhorde 12.08.12	"I'm sorry, but this is just a wrong approach." There is neither a wrong, nor a right approach. It might be wrong to you, but you won't get anywhere wit such claims. "There is absolutely NO reason at all to resort to namecalling, at hominem attacks and just shitty behaviour in general, just because "it's the internet, deal with it"." There are various sociology studies that prove behavioral patterns in the internet are different because of several factors like anonymity and such. If you were to say it simplified, yes - it's a general internet phenomenon and for own nerves [in certain cases] it will be better to just not take it seriously. "People don't converse to one another in the same way in real life, unless they have really shitty personas, now do they?" Partially yes, depending on how much they like somebody. Or they don't even have the guts to say it directly and they backbite. "And by saying "Grow a sense of humor, they are not supposed to be taken seriously", you just encourage this type of behaviour." This is probably debatable, fact is: you aren't going to change anything if you don't enforce it, if you enforce it there are still chances shit goes bad and the community might turn on you. For this community as isolated entity, nice idea. But considering your argumentation that would be a slippery slope because you would just move the problem somewhere else. "A basic form of respect for one another is severely needed around here." This basic form of respect you're talking about is idealistic, even in reality since you can't enforce or make people respect each other. That's simply utopian. 'respectful behavior' or simply a 'non judgemental social attitude' would suffice.
clercqie 12.08.12	Agreed with the assertions you're making, especially with this: "That's simply utopian. 'respectful behavior' or simply a 'non judgemental social attitude' would suffice." Although: "For this community as isolated entity, nice idea. But considering your argumentation that would be a slippery slope because you would just move the problem somewhere else." What exactly do you mean by this? It's worded kind of strange.
theacademy 12.08.12	haha just read sonic's "huge community" post super lovey-dovey wtf
ChopSuey 12.08.12	^ exactly. They think they're so tough behind their keyboards.
Wizard 12.08.12	Amen to your analysis brother! I think I`m one of the oldest users kicking around and....yeah, shits gone to hell.
KILL 12.08.12	lol
Wolfhorde 12.08.12	"Amen to your analysis brother! I think I`m one of the oldest users kicking around and....yeah, shits gone to hell." Oh Karl, why you always so negative. "What exactly do you mean by this? It's worded kind of strange." Your reasoning seemed rather positive, general and idealistic to me - not that this is a bad thing - on the contrary, if you managed to surround yourself in reality with such people I applaud you. But if we were to head into this direction further the problem of 'people acting out on the internet' would not be limited by enforcing more strict rules on Sputnik. Oh, of course it would weed out everyone doing so HERE. But they would just move somewhere else where they can in fact act out.
Graveyard 12.08.12	holy shit i missed all the fun wtf nice digz though
Sowing 12.08.12	There have always been idiots on the site, and there always will be. There are a few more than usual right now though.
Graveyard 12.08.12	still waiting for another sowing 5 review to cream my jeans
clercqie 12.08.12	"Your reasoning seemed rather positive, general and idealistic to me - not that this is a bad thing - on the contrary, if you managed to surround yourself in reality with such people I applaud you. But if we were to head into this direction further the problem of 'people acting out on the internet' would not be limited by enforcing more strict rules on Sputnik. Oh, of course it would weed out everyone doing so HERE. But they would just move somewhere else where they can in fact act out." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, it is my personal view on how things could be around here. Of course I realise it's an idealisation, that not everyone shares this view (and actually I suspect some mocking it as well), and making it reality is practically impossible. But even so, if everyone just put some extra thought in comments, that would go a long way in providing and maintaining a more general friendly atmosphere on the site.
Graveyard 12.08.12	that's too many words for a small little man
Wolfhorde 12.08.12	Yeah, I get where you're coming from. There were just some points I wanted to define a bit a more clearly and go into what you said.
Keyblade 12.08.12	"still waiting for another sowing 5 review to cream my jeans" oh look another riff wannabe
Graveyard 12.08.12	t h e s e e r
jdennis31 12.08.12	oh baby youuuuu, you got what i neeeeeed, but you say he's just a friend, and you say he's just a friend, oh babbyyyy youuuuu
porch 12.08.12	angel is talking about general shitposting by garbage users, the delicate flowers who get offended too easily because people here aren't 'nice' enough should just go elsewhere
porch 12.08.12	the btbam review/thread on the homepage right now is a good example
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Ding, ding, ding.
Graveyard 12.08.12	You can't recognize a tone or logical reasoning based upon simple text.
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	Adding this to what liledman said, it'd be one thing if some of said users would make a conscious effort to evolve their tastes (and perhaps personalities) instead of just imposing their dumb asses on the site, but all we get are "Look, Mommy, I can troll" posters and a ton of generic users with sub-generic taste and sub-generic personas.
KILL 12.08.12	www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgou9j6VQ2g
TheFonz123 12.08.12	the site is a little bit rediculous at this point. I almost never post but there are a handful of users who post amusing things. The problem is for every 1 intelligent, and/or funny post there are five posts so useless they shouldn't even exist.
jdennis31 12.08.12	i like you people but goddamn metal and prog sucks. stop it
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"another thing: how does one evolve their taste exactly? Because all I'm gaining from this thread is a shitty user listens to La Dispute, and the enlightened ones listen to metal and 70s prog. "Good taste" is in the eye of the beholder, and I really think it should be avoided when discussing the whole "terrible userbase" issue." Um, this is the whole point of Sputnik, in my opinion. At least, that's why I'm here -- to find out about new music from other users and broaden my musical horizons.
TheFonz123 12.08.12	on another note it seems as though standards for reviews have gone up but actualy review quality has gone down. By a lot.
jdennis31 12.08.12	but i mean you're a useless little kid so who cares what you think right?
KILL 12.08.12	5 classic Aesop Rock Skelethon Laura Stevenson and the Cans A Record + 3 Laura Stevenson and the Cans Sit Resist Laura Stevenson and the Cans A Record The Tallest Man on Earth The Wild Hunt Thrice Vheissu Thrice The Artist in the Ambulance
jdennis31 12.08.12	new stereotype developing. little shit head kids who are super proud to be atheist and listen to metal music. being completely unbangable may be a prerequisite
KILL 12.08.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFfw-fgOIPo
jdennis31 12.08.12	sonic have you heard of anything post 2000 thats not metal?
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	I mean, do people like Potsy because he makes lists of the same goddamn indie and post-hardcore albums? No, I think not.
KILL 12.08.12	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EItde6Cldfc
KILL 12.08.12	5 classic Aesop Rock Skelethon Laura Stevenson and the Cans A Record + 3 Laura Stevenson and the Cans Sit Resist Laura Stevenson and the Cans A Record The Tallest Man on Earth The Wild Hunt Thrice Vheissu Thrice The Artist in the Ambulance that wasnt even a joke lol
GnFnRs87 12.08.12	Nooooobody knows the trouble I've seen Nooooobody knows my sorrow
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	lol
Poet 12.08.12	this should have been said about a year and a half ago honestly.
KILL 12.08.12	agreed he listens to sabbath AND 311
TheFonz123 12.08.12	"another thing: how does one evolve their taste exactly? Because all I'm gaining from this thread is a shitty user listens to La Dispute, and the enlightened ones listen to metal and 70s prog. "Good taste" is in the eye of the beholder, and I really think it should be avoided when discussing the whole "terrible userbase" issue." I personally believe that how you discuss your taste is more important. I would rather someone writes really really articulate points and listens to shitty music than someone with generic taste (the worst kind of taste) with nothing to say. The former is actually interesting and the former contributes to the site as a whole
GnFnRs87 12.08.12	KILL has the literacy ability of a 7 year old But he is like the thrashiest thrasher on this site So he's awesome
KILL 12.08.12	i am english retard which means im good at english wow is it that hard to understand????
KILL 12.08.12	indie sucks dick full stop thats jsut how it goes, man up and jam some lizzy
TheFonz123 12.08.12	The issue is less of what people listen to and more that they are fucking idiots.
KILL 12.08.12	anyone wana fight? just watched beetlejuice fightin a midget im rdy to kick some azz
Graveyard 12.08.12	sputnik needz more martial industrial and everything will be goooooooooood
GnFnRs87 12.08.12	Hi sonic
KILL 12.08.12	lol i saw dude you rocked the thread, i was busy getin my chode sucked by hawker
KILL 12.08.12	i aint readin that shit wow
KILL 12.08.12	but im guessin hes sayin gay shit so my only reply is 5 classic Aesop Rock Skelethon Laura Stevenson and the Cans A Record + 3 Laura Stevenson and the Cans Sit Resist Laura Stevenson and the Cans A Record The Tallest Man on Earth The Wild Hunt Thrice Vheissu Thrice The Artist in the Ambulance
jdennis31 12.08.12	pretty much everything i said applies to KILL as well. thanks to everyone else who has given me good recs. so like, 2 users
porch 12.08.12	said haha at the start so you know he isn't mad
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	"You keep dissing these two genres and adhering to metal (itt) which makes me think you're part of the problem in regards to limited taste. Not everyone likes metal, some people like indie and post-hardcore. Both have some great albums and disregarding them is simply ignorant." I haven't brought up metal once in this thread, nor is the majority of my list comprised of metal. You just seem to know that I listen to metal and assume that I don't listen to anything else. I don't "dismiss" genres; I've merely made the observation that many of these shit lists and shit users adhere to what I feel is generic or perhaps "Sputnik-endeared/approved" stuff that typically falls in an alt/indie or post-hardcore category.
KILL 12.08.12	haha roasted dude this rocks we made another indie fag leave the site, this is a good day for metal
DominionMM1 12.08.12	oh mah lawd
Greyvy 12.08.12	Sorry for being a new user and not having 40,000 comments right?
KILL 12.08.12	dude i love how we can call people fags and they write essays about how no one understands their pain its almost too easy
KILL 12.08.12	"We have like, 200,000 users now" hahahaha
JustJoe. 12.08.12	Someone gimme the sparknoted version of this thread. Pretty please.
JustJoe. 12.08.12	Now I feel more a part of the community. pos
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	I won't argue that I'm probably looking at the situation with at least some bias, but it doesn't make what I've said any less true. But being bombarded with the same old content isn't the biggest problem -- it's that there is no personality behind it or intent to evolve.
KILL 12.08.12	like dude i admit i havent been laid in a while but does it stop me rockin? neck and i dont get why its relevant when kara was suckin my dick i rocked less cos it took up time fuckin retards
Keyblade 12.08.12	most of those 200,000 are alts though sadly
KILL 12.08.12	and i love how dennis called us queefs which is a word we popularised on here crazi
KILL 12.08.12	and were close minded metal heads and he says PROG SUCKS LYRICZ ABOUT TREEZ
Greyvy 12.08.12	like dude i admit i havent been laid in a while why's that bub?
KILL 12.08.12	a combination of long hair, mustaine attitude and chode issues
Greyvy 12.08.12	its okay you will find that special girl, promise :)
KILL 12.08.12	k8
evilford 12.08.12	"i dont even agree with this list, idgaf if there are plebs on the site, its a huge community, theres gonna be la dispute fans, deftones fans, odd future fans, death grips fans, all that shit. i just deal with it and keep bein me cause im not a bitch." thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis
HSThomas 12.08.12	Listening to Space Cowboy, chillin',reading this thread and wondering what the hell happened.
ITsHxCTOASTER 12.08.12	Angel in all seriousness I feel you about the lack of personality and intent to evolve in a lot of sputnik even though I'm not an old user (just two years now and I don't even post too much) and I'm guilty of it sometimes too. I think it just might be time to write my first review
Itwasthatwas 12.08.12	Its been 9 years since I first joined MX and this past year and a half has been the first time that I've been truly and irredeemably bored of this place. The forums are dead, and most of the users I talked to and whose reviews I enjoyed reading are long gone. I've always come here simply to discover and talk about new music and to expand my tastes but I do find that good conversation about new albums that really grab me is a lot harder to find now than it was a couple years ago. I'm sure people are still discussing and reviewing great new stuff but its definitely harder to find amidst a lot of the drivel these days. But to be honest, I've never been sure how much has been this place changing and how much is the simple fact that everything on the internet seems a lot more awesome when you're younger.
evilford 12.08.12	Honestly I love this site. I've only been here about a year but I've discovered a lot of new music that rules. And yeah some users get annoying but you can choose to ignore them or choose to be put off by it. There is still a lot of quality content. And I have met a lot of users that fucking rule. So I can't really attest to how the site was more than a year ago but honestly a think there's a lot of content and lots of users to appreciate here. It could be A LOT worse.
JohnnyoftheWell 12.08.12	the end of days is near
alachlahol 12.08.12	"@hype, I contribute plenty to the site and care a great deal about it. I'm in no way, shape, or form the vermin that angel is talking about here. I'm sorry you don't like me for some reason but I'm certainly not the problem." its easy to classify you as vermin due to 75% of your 43000 posts being links to youtube videos
JohnnyoftheWell 12.08.12	Hope I'm a post-pleb now :[
Itwasthatwas 12.08.12	I wonder if sometimes the list driven discussion format and relatively loose moderation (compared to some other large communities) isn't really the best fit for this place as the community and user base grows a lot larger. If you think about how small this place was initially, and how much it's grown I wonder if a slightly different or more professional setup would be more appropriate.
Itwasthatwas 12.08.12	Sonic, the forums were terrible when they were busy, but that's where I started posting and most of the people I talked to semi regularly were from R&M, and by this point most have left. Like I said I'm not sure how much the site has really changed vs how much I've just outgrown it
alachlahol 12.08.12	what you consider being an asshole i consider being honest
ZilbelPing 12.08.12	"Angel in all seriousness I feel you about the lack of personality and intent to evolve in a lot of sputnik even though I'm not an old user (just two years now and I don't even post too much) and I'm guilty of it sometimes too. I think it just might be time to write my first review" Oh shit, toaster and I are on the same boat. It feels weird that I haven't posted a review in my two years here.
Scoot 12.08.12	this place has always had relatively loose moderation compared to other large boards i've frequented in the past (hfBoards for example) though i suspect that's about to change
Itwasthatwas 12.08.12	Hfboards is actually exactly what I was thinking of when I posted that. Huge community but for the most part a lot of good talk and a lot of good users and the most useless stuff gets cleared out pretty quick. I definitely feel like a system that worked for a time when it seemed like every second post was from one of Chan or Eliminator might not be the best suited for a 200k+ userbase
alachlahol 12.08.12	"in all seriousness you're completely fabricating a reason to hate me and it's a really stupid one at that man." you cant really have a reason for hating me,, youre just fabricating one
Uranium 12.08.12	bunch of fucking pussies around here
Sirob 12.08.12	there has to be a bot or something making profiles cause the number has gone up 1000 since yesterday or something
AngelofDeath 12.08.12	I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to incite a witch hunt against every user that's been here a year or less, because it's obvious not everyone in that demographic is guilty of many of the things mentioned in this thread. Our problems are not only ones of community, but ones of content, as well. Some have conjectured that the staff roster is weaker than in previous times, but I don't really find that to be true in terms of reviews. Where that may be the case, though, is other areas of substance, particularly the staff features. There used to be all kinds of great interviews and editorials (particularly when Chan was around), but that has been much less the case recently.
Itwasthatwas 12.08.12	I agree completely Angel
KILL 12.08.12	chan rules yea
theacademy 12.08.12	but xeno we have people like jdennis who honestly believe that thrice is more important to music history than the beatles jdennis is actually right tho
KILL 12.08.12	boom
theacademy 12.08.12	people should remember the site goes through cycles. the site is arguably at its best when: 1) there is new thrice or brand new to fawn over 2) there is a bulldog or hawks or creamcrazy around 3) btbam colors had just come out the site is the worst when: 1) new staffers have just been promoted and flood the site with garbage as they try to make their mark 2) everybody decides it's time to review As the Roots Undo 3) Sufjan Stevens is relevant again
theacademy 12.08.12	i didn't know who insurrection was when i read his review and then some idiot contributor told me the only reason i negged it was because it was an insurrection review and im on the site like all the time you can ignore shitty users if you choose to. it's a selfish way to go about it, but it will solve your problems. personally, i'm all about building the community, so i try to go out of my way to be mean to people when the situation calls for it. I like to think i provide a service... im the kind of user that makes it ok for irving or sowing to be so nice to people. you guys should all send me kohls gift cards or something.
sniper 12.08.12	holy shit
SeaAnemone 12.08.12	lol this thread but uh yeah surprisingly agree on all numbered points there acad especially digs at sufjan and new staffers
JustJoe. 12.08.12	I'm not really relevant enough to have an opinion on the subject, but a lot of decent points in this thread. Some, not so much.
sniper 12.08.12	the users i used to really like are never around anymore. there are still bros around but it's not the same and more people are joining every day.
klap 12.08.12	all the user reviews these days kind of blow
Trebor. 12.08.12	I can attest to that
toxin. 12.08.12	"all the user reviews these days kind of blow" nah user reviews in general have always been pretty bad. I don't think it's changed much in this regard
Trebor. 12.08.12	Well the only good users become contributors pretty quick so it makes sense
theacademy 12.08.12	no porch and bungy and (yea im sure some of you disagree about this but) andcas and some others are good users/reviewers who will never be contribbed for her pleasure
theacademy 12.08.12	yea idk i dont mind andcas i fight with him a lot because he's wrong like its his fucking job but overall quality user 5/5
Trebor. 12.08.12	Yeah I read every porch and bungy review cuz they rule Atari is pretty good too for how many he puts out
menawati 12.08.12	i'd never apply for contributor even if i was good enough, don't want any responsibility and i don't usually review new releases anyway
theacademy 12.08.12	atari is not a good user or a good reviewer but he seems like a nice guy. i also have similar taste i think
theacademy 12.08.12	is that even english
theacademy 12.08.12	yea but we even fight about atreyu lol deathgrip is where they sold out! travis is more talented than brandon! the curse is their bestest!
theacademy 12.08.12	but yea we "fight" just playin around dawg u should asaid we'll always have NFG
toxin. 12.08.12	well didn't this thread get cute
Douglas 12.08.12	My first account, like back in 2007, this place was so placid. Ever since around 09 it has grown into a lot more filth. But there are still awesome users hanging around. I miss Yeti. Come back Yeti.
Ethics 12.08.12	You've been visited by the Spooky Skeleton! Repost this 3 times in the next 2 minutes or you will be visited by a Spooky Skeleton tonight! 95% of people will not post this..... and they will become skeleton..... █████████████████████ █████░░░░░░░░░░░█████ ███░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░███ ██░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░██ ██░░▓▓░░░░░░░░░▓▓░░██ ██░░▓▓▓▓░░░░░▓▓▓▓░░██ ██░░░░░░░░▓░░░░░░░░██ ███░░░░░░▓▓▓░░░░░░███ █████░░░░░░░░░░░█████ █████░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░█████ █████░▓▓▓▓▓▓▓░░█████ █████░░░░░░░░░██████ ██████░░░░░░░███████
bungy 12.08.12	guys it's me "well didn't this thread get cute" how annoying/condescending of you to say that
Douglas 12.08.12	omg bungy
bungy 12.08.12	Hi Doug. I've been enjoying the new Something for Kate thanks to your review
toxin. 12.08.12	"how annoying/condescending of you to say that" you're taking offense at that? but yea pretty accurate they're all pretty cool users though so the camaraderie here is awesum, condescension notwithstanding
Douglas 12.08.12	Hey man, you enigma! Good to hear, shits cash money!
theacademy 12.08.12	blow is like the worst song ever
theacademy 12.08.12	were not sorry and we won't conform it's not a choice but something inborn!
Scoot 12.08.12	andcas takes a lot of undeserved flack
Wizard 12.08.12	I would like to point out to all you faggots who get their panties in a knot over Kill and Sonic and the rest of us assholes, the old staff would have made you commit suicide, no joke. This site is so easy going now than it ever was.
Calc 12.08.12	lol i knew there was no way a thread could stay on topic for this long
NoMeansYes 12.08.12	u all mad?
theacademy 12.08.12	enter the wizard!
DotEight 12.08.12	Holy mind-fuck of a thread.
Recspecs 12.08.12	Fuck this thread is still kicking
wacknizzle 12.08.12	yeah, too late to read all this mess
menawati 12.08.12	6 looks like my next door neighbour
Emim 12.08.12	i can't believe i fucking read this whole thing.
theshelfmaster 12.08.12	i've been coming here pretty much every day since 2008 and have never had an intelligent conversation with anyone here not that i really tried but still
Ovrot 12.08.12	Priest Sex 2013
wacknizzle 12.08.12	there's definitely still alot cool people on this site, i can get along with most as long as they aren't arrogant assholes.
bungy 12.08.12	Ahaha I cannot ever take Wizard seriously
RetroSpective 12.08.12	I dont think anyone ever does
Emim 12.08.12	"Ahaha I cannot ever take Wizard seriously " 123
theacademy 12.08.12	http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=433903&listid=95352
theacademy 12.08.12	or my favorite: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?listid=31171&memberid=297657
Emim 12.08.12	site died when cirq left
aok 12.08.12	acad's on point as usual. even though he has terrible taste in music
theacademy 12.08.12	acad died when cirq left
theacademy 12.08.12	darth. if you kill him. he will win.
theacademy 12.08.12	clouds
ChopSuey 12.08.12	more than 550 comment in a list.. That might be a new record.
theacademy 12.08.12	it's not
ChopSuey 12.08.12	Well its the most I've ever seen. 1000 more comments to go!
theacademy 12.08.12	http://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?listid=68208 think that's the biggest active one
theacademy 12.08.12	kat has a lot of power
Nikkolae 12.08.12	this is still going? i've been comming here for the better part of 3 years now and its always been this way, people horse around all the fucking time, thats why we cant post pictures on the threads anymore (fucking emery thread) so just get used to it.
theacademy 12.08.12	long live emery thred
ChopSuey 12.08.12	@ theacademy I got that link you sent me, 1362 comments......
YankeeDudel 12.09.12	The site just needs tighter moderation. You cant expect people to behave themselves on their own. Its the internet and whenever there isnt moderation (see Youtube) people will just take things as far as they want since there are no consequences. The anonymity will always be there to but the moderation is something that can be controlled. I feel like there is no moderating presence on this site at all and when I did get suspended once for a few days I wasnt even told why. Ive discovered some great music here from some of you guys, angel is one of them, but its def a pretty unorganized site imo compared to the others Ive been on.
DrMaximus 12.09.12	I wonder how many users are actually on this site once you take away all the alts.
ChopSuey 12.09.12	probably around 1000 or something because I see the same users everyday.
NightmareCinema16 12.09.12	My gosh, I missed a lot.
Emim 12.09.12	I wouldn't say missed
ChopSuey 12.09.12	lets keep this thread going
Emim 12.09.12	That never goes well. We run out of things to talk about
ChopSuey 12.09.12	true........Hey! Nice weather we're having
Calc 12.09.12	someone talk shit about someone everyone "likes" thats the only reason any thread lasts so long.
Masochist 12.09.12	Jacob Bannon is a laryngitis-infected howler monkey imitating a puking vocalist in a cut-rate "band" that uses a random number generator to write their guitar and drum tabs. And Jane Doe is the name of their personified talent.
Calc 12.09.12	lol howler monkey
GiaNXGX 12.09.12	I read half of the thread
Masochist 12.09.12	"I read half of the thread" Couldn't bring myself to do that. I read Angel's paragraph, looked at the pictures, got myself off and was done.
demigod! 12.09.12	thread got dumb fast such is Sputnik
GiaNXGX 12.09.12	If you can't tolerate internet-trolling (which is usually a result of immaturity and online anonymity) or get along with emotionally unstable individuals that manifest these behavioral patterns in angsty insults, or the occasional "lol + insert sarcasm / self-deprecating humor," you should just quit sputnikmusic and create a rym account. The truth is that the site's average music taste isn't really diverse, there are these users with relatively 'obscure' taste calling themselves all elite and acting as if they are on a higher level than the ones that mainly listen to a certain form of metal, alt/indie, or electronic music. But to be honest, the ultimate standard of perfection or excellence for sputnikmusic would be the one in which all users were respectful with each other, helped each other with constructive, thoughtful feedback; a site in which the main goal is to learn about new artists, enhance your musical knowledge, and finally enjoy the experience of sharing this knowledge with new people, new friends. For the most part I have enjoyed sputnikmusic.com, it's an amazing website with great potential (as Paperback said). We need to eradicate the following problems (true); ageism, trolling, immaturity, 'elitism', but in the end I'm pretty sure that if we all set these common internet behaviors aside we have all learned good things on sputnikmusic.com.
GiaNXGX 12.09.12	10 cents
Apollo 12.09.12	People give way too much of a fuck about this site and what goes on. I come here still for one reason and one reason only. To find out about new bands I have not heard of before. Yes, it's a nice bonus to interact with seemingly cool users and it can make me shake my head at the users who act like children but otherwise who really gives a fuck? Stop caring about something on the internet and maybe focus on reality and what really matters. This isn't directed at Angel as an individual, just at everyone itt bitching about things that don't matter.
bungy 12.09.12	"If you can't tolerate internet-trolling (which is usually a result of immaturity and online anonymity) or get along with emotionally unstable individuals that manifest these behavioral patterns in angsty insults, or the occasional "lol + insert sarcasm / self-deprecating humor," you should just quit sputnikmusic and create a rym account. The truth is that the site's average music taste isn't really diverse, there are these users with relatively 'obscure' taste calling themselves all elite and acting as if they are on a higher level than the ones that mainly listen to a certain form of metal, alt/indie, or electronic music. But to be honest, the ultimate standard of perfection or excellence for sputnikmusic would be the one in which all users were respectful with each other, helped each other with constructive, thoughtful feedback; a site in which the main goal is to learn about new artists, enhance your musical knowledge, and finally enjoy the experience of sharing this knowledge with new people, new friends. For the most part I have enjoyed sputnikmusic.com, it's an amazing website with great potential (as Paperback said). We need to eradicate the following problems (true); ageism, trolling, immaturity, 'elitism', but in the end I'm pretty sure that if we all set these common internet behaviors aside we have all learned good things on sputnikmusic.com." no way in hell did anyone read this
RetroSpective 12.09.12	lol
Acanthus 12.10.12	Meh, I feel like the good users are just getting older and getting a life or two.
ShadowRemains 12.10.12	lol xtoxin being a dipshit, i've seen this before, and i'd agree with angel, even in the two year i've been here, there has been an ugly turn, i find myself seeing a lot more stupidity than i did even just a year ago...this bullshit with skele or w/e the fuck his name is would just be the latest
ShadowRemains 12.10.12	"a fullfleged sputnik bitchhunt? goddamn im in" i'm in
Wizard 12.10.12	Site died when Emim's vagina started to bleed and he became a little bitch
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Voivod 12.10.12	"Meh, I feel like the good users are just getting older and getting a life or two. " this
renegadestrings 12.10.12	and yeah i agree with this somewhat. honestly i don't care about trolls or offensive crap from KILL (speaks truth and reviews good) and sonic (reviews good and eats with KILL) or whoever. the only problem i have is that it seems like a huge amount of users recently have posted some god awful reviews and news articles. i have no idea if they're joking or just terrible writers.
NightmareCinema16 12.10.12	nice whether? No way, I just got 6 inches of snow.
omnipanzer 12.10.12	"no way in hell did anyone read this" Bungy for president.
MoosechriS 12.11.12	M/ The retards must be stopped, grab your torch and pitchforks
Emim 12.11.12	"Site died when Emim's vagina started to bleed and he became a little bitch" bring it you can't handle the heat, sister
savagecabbage 12.11.12	didn't the nazis purge their society of retarded people too? Interesting...
MO 12.11.12	600
Emim 12.11.12	601
DrMaximus 12.11.12	602
Apollo 01.12.13	foad
Relinquished 01.12.13	fuck this thread exploded
Gwyn. 01.12.13	m/ "whoa wait, when I joined 11 months ago, there were like 50 or 60 thousand users, now there are 221k???????" I've been wondering this as well
kitsch 01.12.13	im posting here somewhat again you all now have a paragon of taste to admire again
bungy 01.12.13	paragon the pokemon?
Deathconscious 01.12.13	"didn't the nazis purge their society of retarded people too? Interesting..." yeah. probably would have been a pretty awesome society if the allied fags didnt fuck shit up.
pissbore 01.13.13	70s priest is better [69]
NightmareCinema16 01.13.13	I thought we were over this...
pissbore 01.13.13	then why are you posting
NightmareCinema16 01.13.13	I was simply wondering. Also, comment count...
pissbore 01.13.13	cool
NightmareCinema16 01.13.13	cool[2]
ShadowRemains 12.17.16	bump because has been relevant for most of the past 4 years
Trebor. 12.17.16	"atari is not a good user or a good reviewer but he seems like a nice guy." funny that someone who would go on to be staff would say this about someone who would also go on to be staff
ShadowRemains 12.17.16	all those bitches complaining about dev's moderation style should probably be glad he wasn't half as aggressive as he should/could have been
Trebor. 12.17.16	yeah I don't remember it actually being that bad. And there was a ridiculous amount of trolling at the time to deal with so it makes sense that there would be some innocent casualties in the clean up
Relinquished 12.17.16	ain't hindsight a bitch
ShadowRemains 12.17.16	they just whined that he would actually say shit that pissed them off from a position of greater power, when in reality they earned every bit of it and probably significantly more in a lot of cases oh and RIP angel, was the best list maker on sputnik AINEC
Relinquished 12.17.16	bet if he came back he'd tighten up the belt
Relinquished 12.17.16	ANGEL COME BRING BACK THOSE KRIEG SLEEVELESS SHIRTS
ShadowRemains 12.17.16	2011-2012 were the fuckin timez
Cygnatti 12.17.16	important list
ShadowRemains 12.17.16	it is very salient
Sinternet 12.17.16	AdolfChrist 01.11.13 [Report this Post] "didn't the nazis purge their society of retarded people too? Interesting..." yeah. probably would have been a pretty awesome society if the allied fags didnt fuck shit up.
Snake. 12.17.16	wow so adolfchrist was a bad user in 2013 too? interesting...
Relinquished 12.17.16	not like you're any better lol
Snake. 12.17.16	fuck
dbizzles 12.17.16	Sputnik is great if you don't take everything personally.
50iL 12.17.16	[2]

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