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Recontextualizing Third Wave Emo Part 1: 2nd Wave

Is there a more controversial topic in this scene than Third Wave Emo? The maligned time period in the genre’s great history was also Emo’s biggest commercial boom, with Emo-Pop and Emo-Adjacent juggernauts becoming household names. The story goes that once bands like Taking Back Sunday and My Chemical Romance burst onto the scene, Emo’s dwindling Second Wave immediately died off and the ethos of the genre perished with it until some brave Revivalists brought it back from the dead in the early 2010s. However, this simplistic view minimizes the hard work that the underground, basement and DIY Emo scenes around the world were putting in during this very same span. Some bands looked at the 15+ year history of Emo to that point and continued to push those qualities. Others sought to innovate on Emo’s established sound, especially by fusing it with different genres. Others still invoked the relatively unknown Kinsella brothers’ unique approach to Emo and expanded upon it. With that said, this series will be taking a very deep dive into the world of underground, DIY and otherwise lesser-known Emo during its Third Wave. Many people believe no real Emo music was released during this time and, while the purpose of these articles isn’t to discredit mainstream Emo-Pop or to define what “real Emo” is, I want to dispel that notion completely and recontextualize Emo as a continued underground movement from the Second Wave to the Fourth Wave instead of the disconnected death and revival of a genre.
1Billy Music
Midwest Index


This section will cover Second Wave Emo artists who continued to release music between 2002-2008, especially those who utilized characteristics of that Wave’s sound.

With one of the worst band names in existence (and a hair more googlable than their original band name “Billy”), Billy Music released their sole LP Midwest Index in 2002 after a couple of EPs and an appearance on one of the Emo Diaries compilations. At least the album name is appropriate for across 10 tracks is a sort of catalog of Midwest Emo tropes, collected together as sort of a primer for newer fans of the 90s Emo sound. This is a hidden gem.
2Kilowatthours
The Bright Side


Given the band had a lot more Post-Rock influences when they first released music in 1999, they nonetheless released an EP and LP before 2002 with strong Emo influence, so this album deserves to be in this section. Still employing a heaping tablespoon of Post-Rock in their music, this release is more grounded in Midwest Emo than anything they’ve done before. The vocals are soft so as not to disturb the atmosphere of each song.

Check this album out if you are looking for the cozier side of the Second Wave Emo sound and get a minute preview into the future of Emo during the Third Wave…
3Benton Falls
Guilt Beats Hate


Calling this a prototypical Second Wave Emo would do this album a great disservice as it's filled to the brim with passion, feeling and poetry. Benton Falls doesn't quite reach the lofty heights of their debut album, but this release is only a notch below. The Post-Hardcore-tinged Emo that was popularized by bands like Texas is the Reason and Mineral is fully on display here with messy, loud guitars, occasional belted screams and shifting volume dynamics.

This was released in early 2002, making it sort of the swan song to Second Wave Emo. This album is a real tour de force for the genre and is recommended to anyone who misses that 90s sound.
4Piebald
We Are the Only Friends We Have


Piebald was firmly entrenched in Second Wave Emo canon by releasing several EPs and albums in the 90s. These quality Midwest Emo releases would ensure the band had a loyal cult following, but they arguably released their magnum opus in 2002 and changed the trajectory of their legacy forever.

Taking the bones of Midwest Emo and using different time signatures, they unlocked their melodic potential on this album by incorporating elements of the burgeoning Emo-Pop movement. The anthemic hooks only add to the experience, making this arguably their best album. Do not let the Emo-Pop influence deter you - the edginess in the production ensures this is Emo, through and through.
5Pop Unknown
The August Division


Conventional wisdom says this album isn’t as good as Pop Unknown’s previous LP, but I’d like to think The August Division stands on its own next to its progenitor. Taking Midwest Emo, sprinkling in some Post-Punk elements and injecting the whole thing with a ton of infectious melody, Pop Unknown delivers with their swan song. This album immediately grabs your attention and refuses to let go.
6Brandtson
Dial In Sounds


Utilizing classic Midwest Emo as a base and tossing mild Pop-Punk and Post-Hardcore elements is a winning formula with Dial In Sounds. With a career spanning from the late 90s into the mid-00s, Brandtson has released a prolific discography with somewhat mixed results, but this one is a definite notch in the “win” column.
7Pedro the Lion
Control


Put simply, this is a bummer album. The Indie Rock-soaked Emo of Pedro the Lion's previous releases is present with bitter, crunchy guitars and a melancholic storyline that weaves the album together. The slew of mid-tempo tracks with Bazan’s droning voice wears on you emotionally throughout 10 tracks.

Pedro the Lion is known for consistency, but this is perhaps their most solid and memorable outing as a band.
8The Gloria Record
Start Here


The successor to Mineral, The Gloria Record was a passionate Midwest Emo band with less Post-Hardcore than their predecessor. The band's sound is often compared to Radiohead, and not just because their songwriting is both excellent and TGR displays Indie traits, but because Start Here is this band's OK Computer.

The Emo bones of the band are present here, but the sonic exploration employed by Simpson and the boys is as vast as it is genre-defying. Perhaps calling this a “vestige of the Second Wave” isn’t exactly true as this album could have been revolutionary for the genre had it blown up in popularity. However, as a dying branch of the Second Wave, this underrated album deserves its place here for how forward-thinking it is.
9Camber
Wake Up And Be Happy


Bursting onto the scene in 1997, Camber gained some notoriety by being in the first Emo Diaries compilation, along with a very good SDRE-inspired first LP. After a few more releases, they put out their last full-length in 2002 and is considered one of their weaker releases. However, I think there are some pretty decent ideas in here and the songs are pretty neat. Check it out if you’re itching for more authentic 90s Emo.
10Kind of Like Spitting
Bridges Worth Burning


Since the mid-90s, Kind of Like Spitting occupied an unparalleled space during the Second Wave, playing Midwest Emo with heavy dosages of Indie and some Folksy elements for good measure. A prolific discography and a few magna opera later, we’re in 2002 with KoLS’s final Midwest Emo release, Bridges Worth Burning. This LP is arguably on the same level as their previous greatest releases, trending toward being more upbeat.

Beyond anything else, the passion with which this band plays, particularly in the vocals, is undeniable, much like the lyrics. Very few albums sound quite like this, so this is a must-listen. Soon thereafter, KoLS would veer hard into the Indie Folk direction, so this really serves as a denouement to their Emo career.
11The Casket Lottery
Survival Is For Cowards


The Casket Lottery is a band with amazing longevity and consistency, having made splits with the likes of Hot Water Music and Touche Amore. After some really good albums and EPs in the late 90s / early 00s, 2002 saw the release of (arguably) their magnum opus, Survival is for Cowards. A potent blend of Post-Hardcore and Midwest Emo, this LP borrows much from the Second Wave but introduces fresh songwriting ideas, making this a sort of breath of fresh air.

Extremely powerful vocals are driven by an exemplary rhythm section that keeps the listener engaged throughout its ~30-minute runtime.
12The Jim Yoshii Pile-Up
Homemade Drugs


Somehow, despite being brighter and overall more hopeful than their debut LP, Homemade Drugs is still a distressing, unhurried album. Tiny elements of Indie and Post-Rock are evident in this album, beginning to turn the Second Wave sound in a new direction.

Homemade Drugs isn’t the most well-known or beloved release in this section, but it is one of the best, especially if you’re looking for Emo music to sit back and dissociate to.
13Jets to Brazil
Perfecting Loneliness


Emo weaved with equal parts Indie Rock, this late 90s Emo “supergroup” released their final LP Perfecting Loneliness in 2002. Little debate exists that Jets to Brazil's first album is their all-time musical accomplishment, but their final album is still worthy of praise. Fantastic lyricism and an overall softer tone characterize this album.

Songs regularly exceed 5 minutes of length on this album so if you’re searching for quick bursts of energy as songs, this one isn't for you. However, if you enjoy a mature take on Indie with inextricable Emo roots, this one is worth a listen.
14Waxwing
Nobody Can Take What Everybody Owns


Waxwing produced Punk-leaning Emo goodness with their final LP. Although the album isn’t extraordinary, the songs are quite fun and energetic with pretty good vocals. Notably, one of the band’s guitarists, Cody Votolato, was working with The Blood Brothers at the same time.
15Kid Brother Collective
Highway Miles


Simple, old-school Emo that will make you yearn for simpler days. In the end, that’s all this genre needs. Nothing extraordinary on display, but more fare for those in the Mineral / Penfold camp.
16Rainer Maria
Long Knives Drawn


Although Rainer Maria had changed fairly significantly since the band’s origins in the 90s, namely in the absence of male vocals, they had strong Emo ties in this 2003 LP. An Emo / Indie hybrid with the ethos of the Second Wave, what sets this album apart is how poppy Rainer Maria allows themselves to go, giving a memorable quality to the majority of the songs. This is an excellent addition to the band’s consistently good discography.
17Cursive
The Ugly Organ


This one is probably one of the most well-known and beloved albums on this list, but I figure it’d be worth including it. Cursive began their career in the thick of the Second Wave, releasing two decent albums in the 90s before unleashing their first masterpiece Domestica in 2000. Following up on this unbelievable LP would be no small feat, but when Cursive released Ugly Organ in 2003, they did just that with an equally (if not more so) compelling album.

About 50/50 Post-Hardcore / Emo, Ugly Organ adds a cellist to the lineup, greatly expanding past the audio barriers of the genre’s typical instruments. Sinister, dissonant and brooding, this one needs to be heard to be believed. One of the best releases during the Third Wave. Fortunately, this band is still kicking and making awesome music.
18Elliott
Song in the Air


The third and final full LP from Elliott, Song in the Air bookends their legendary (if somewhat obscure) discography with another great release, even if it perhaps falls short of the grandiosity of False Cathedrals. Regardless, this record encapsulates the evolution of a band from a more typical Mineral-like vibe to a dreamy, ethereal one. The vocals are smooth and gentle while the atmosphere provided by the instruments is dense and layered.

Elliott typifies Second Wave Emo in one respect while pushing the boundaries of the genre at the time. You can really feel that this band could have gotten big under the right circumstances.
19Small Brown Bike
Nail Yourself To The Ground


2003 was Small Brown Bike’s biggest year, having released an LP and EP, both very well received. Utilizing that classic Post-Hardcore / Emo formula with their very own spin, Small Brown Bike sounds like no other on this EP. With only five songs (and one being a completely different folksy song with slide guitars), the band gave 2003 a huge opening salvo with this one.
20The Appleseed Cast
Two Conversations


The Appleseed Cast is one of the most prolific acts in all of Emo and, by the Third Wave, had already established themselves as one of Emo’s great innovators. They experimented with Post-Rock on Mare Vitalis and perfected the combination of Post-Rock and Emo with Low Level Owl Vol 1 and 2, all before 2002 even hit!

Two Conversations takes the grandiosity of Low Level Owl and strips it to its barest form, more personal and intimate than anything this band had released previously (and possibly since). A breakup concept album isn’t exactly ingenious, but it’s executed very well across 10 songs; each track is handcrafted to fit the album’s flow perfectly and they add up to be greater than the sum of their parts. This band, and especially this album, would have a huge effect on Third Wave Emo going forward.
21Small Brown Bike
The River Bed


Expanding sonically on what they produced earlier in the year with Nail Yourself to the Ground, Small Brown Bike ended their first run as a band with an immensely influential full-length album. One could argue that the sound pallette all screams Post-Hardcore and doesn’t have much to do with Emo, but the album owes almost its entire structure to 90s Emo.

The catchiness of the vocals and instruments is juxtaposed perfectly with the rough Post-Hardcore edges of each track, sacrificing none of the heaviness of the band in the process of getting stuck in your head.
22Brandtson
Send Us A Signal


Brandtson dives deeper into the Indie Rock sound but doesn’t lose its core Midwest Emo roots with this full-length. With more Emo-Pop influence than ever, the hooks are as catchy as they’ve ever been for this band. You can hear the evolution of their sound compared even to their previous record, and that’s definitely a good thing.
23I Hate Myself
3 Songs


With almost no released music in the 2000s, I Hate Myself produced one final outing in 2005 with their 3 Songs EP. Gone are the half-Emo, half-Screamo days of yore and this one is pretty much pure Second Wave Midwest Emo. However, this leaves room for wonderful vocal melodies and driving songs. Definitely worth listening to this band’s final moments together.
24Waterpistol
Between Here and There is Everything


This next section covers albums and EPs released in the Third Wave that are heavily indebted to the Second Wave’s signature sound from bands that weren’t around for that time period. This should go to show that even though Emo was taking on an entirely different meaning in mainstream contexts, there were many acts dedicated to keeping the older traditions alive. This section is called Carrying the Flag of the Second Wave.

Debuting with a three-song EP in the year 2000, this relatively obscure band is far enough removed from the Second Wave to appear in this section, at least in my opinion. Fun, active prototypical Midwest Emo is what you’ll find on this album. This sounds like Hardcore kids doing softer Emo music and it shows in the ever-present energy of the instruments and vocals.
25rest of my life
rest of my life


This is the first release from the How is Annie label in Norway, one that is very important to the Nordic Emo scene. Rest of My Life’s self-titled LP is heavily indebted to the sounds of Second Wave Midwest Emo with hints of Post-Rock throughout. This sound palette would be a staple of the How is Annie lineup of bands, some of which you’ll see later in this series.

A strong presence of Post-Hardcore in the occasional screams and heavier moments of this album gives the songs a sense of urgency while the Post-Rock influence ensures the serenity of the quieter moments. This small evolution in Emo’s sound helped pave the way for more great releases in the future.
26Time Spent Driving
Just Enough Bright


One of the more popular albums on this list, Time Spent Driving played classic Midwest Emo with Emo-Pop sensibilities on this album, giving the release its own brand of charm. Situated perfectly at the edge where Emo went mainstream and where Emo remained underground.
27Rescue (MI)
Volume Plus Volume


With their debut LP, Rescue took the Post-Hardcore / Emo combination that was so popular in the mid-late 90s, added Math Rock elements like changing time signatures and played almost every song with a sense of urgency. Had this released sometime in the late 90s and was picked up by the right people, we might be calling this a minor Emo classic today.

In 2004, the band rereleased this album as Volume Plus Volume Plus, which included a bonus CD featuring their 2002 EP Even People and Not the Odds and other unreleased tracks.
288-Bit Revival
Up & Atom


Standard 90s-sounding Midwest Emo fare, this debut EP is a great look into an up-and-coming underground Emo band. This group would change their name to Oh Condor but possibly changed it back at some point (not so sure about the name change history), so expect to see more of them in this series.
29Time To Fly
Birth.Work.Death


On their sole release, Time to Fly utilized the blueprints left behind by bands like Penfold and injected it with a high dose of Emo-Pop, a burgeoning influence during this time period. Regardless, the LP stands on its own as a Second Wave-inspired Emo.

The vocals are catchy and melodic, juxtaposed by the occasional scream. There are tons of riffs and even some twinkles in there, adding to the diversity of dynamics found throughout the album. This is a true hidden gem.
30susquatch
1st Demo


Since the 90s, Japan has had a flourishing Emo scene. Most here are aware of the Japanese Post-Rock / Screamo combination made famous by envy. However, Japan also kept Punky / melodic Emo alive during the 00s, usually with unique influences.

susquatch is a band that gained notoriety in 2009 with their twinkly debut LP right at the beginning of the Revival, but most are not aware of their debut Demo EP. With just the smallest hints that this is Japanese Emo, susquatch plays tribute to the greatness of Second Wave Emo quite effectively here. This isn't their only appearance in this series, but with four years to go before releasing their next EP, their sound would undergo massive changes.
31Halos for Martyrs
A Rush of Sound and the Silence That Follows


Make no mistake: this EP is a love letter to Second Wave Emo in both production and style. The ever-present Post-Hardcore accompanies Halos for Martyrs through an Emo musical journey while Math Rock influences seep in through the cracks, particularly in the twinkly riffs scattered about. This release was definitely an overlooked gem in 2003.
32A Season Drive
Summer of '73


On the lighter side of Emo without veering into Emo-Pop territory, A Season Drive delivers a fun Second Wave-esque album in the vein of Sunny Day Real Estate. This album is by no means a classic, but it does keep the old ways alive for just a little bit longer.
33Filmmaker
An Invitation To An Accident


Plain and simple, this is Seam-esque Midwest Emo done right, with just the right amount of Indie Rock influence to give the vocalist some fun melodies to play with. This band had one other EP released in 2001, but this would be their final release. Though this album is very short of groundbreaking, it’s a worthy listen for 90s Emo fans.
34Settlefish
Dance A While, Upset


Extremely difficult to find, this album has about half the songs featured on other Deep Elm compilations, so you can still hear the masterful and somewhat bleak Midwest emo songwriting used throughout. Nothing here is exceptional, but this refreshing take on Second Wave Midwest Emo features its share of twinkles and fun, mathy moments.
35The Jealous Sound
Kill Them With Kindness


Quite jealous I am, indeed! To create such pure, unadulterated fun is an underappreciated aspect of Emo but The Jealous Sound does so with very simple song structures. Now yes, let’s clear the elephant in the room: Brian Shehan of Knapsack fame reprises his role as frontman of this band, utilizing a familiar Indie Rock / Emo approach. Knapsack’s unique qualities made them a very influential Emo band from the mid-90s, but few could hope to replicate them. Even The Jealous Sound doesn’t exactly…sound like Knapsack.

Fear not, for while The Jealous Sound is inherently indebted to Brian’s earlier project, they stand on their own two feet. With less overtly-Punk-influenced songs than Knapsack, a healthy use of synths and a few Emo-Pop sensibilities, they definitely are beginning to grow out of the shadow of Second Wave Emo. Still, they perhaps are too intertwined with the time period to be completely removed from it.
36The December Drive
Handslikegunsandcrashingsounds


Releasing in 2003, this album was allegedly in the works for about three years and DAMN does that seem right! At its core, Handslikegunsandcrashingsounds is a Second Wave-inspired Emo / Post-Hardcore tour de force. Small elements of Post-Rock seep into the album, generating a powerful aura around each song. Powerful guitarwork lays the foundation for a truly unforgettable vocal performance.

Although this album takes a lot of direction from the Second Wave classics, The December Drive injects this album with their own flavor, giving this album a slightly forward-thinking edge compared to many of the true 90s Emo bands. This is without a doubt one of the best albums in this entire section.
37Dead Letter Auction
Cancer of Time


Dissonant and noisy, Cancer of Time is Dead Letter Auction’s only full-length and boy, is it a doozy! If you like technical Post-Hardcore with a 90s Emo foundation, you’ve come to the right band. The shouty vocals add to the cacophonous atmosphere as much as the dynamic shifts to quiet.
38Outsmarting Simon
Silent, Sober and Sound


Taking as much influence from Mineral and Penfold as they did from early Jimmy Eat World and The Get Up Kids, Outsmarting Simon debuted with this great traditional Emo LP. Silent Sober and Sound showcases the band's propensity for quiet-loud dynamics and dreamy atmospheres. Not the most memorable album, but definitely one with a pulse on the genre.
39Rockets and Bluelights
A Smashed City with Flames and Music in the Air


One of the most criminally underlooked and underrated Midwest Emo releases ever, it’s also ludicrously short with only four songs. The Post-Hardcore guitar tone is punchy and robust, leaning into the Emo clean dynamic seamlessly from the heavy distortion. The rhythm section does wonders in giving the songs style, keeping up with the spastic energy of the highs and the subtly of the lows.

Rudimentary Post-Rock song structures come into play in this EP, giving each track its own identity.
40Kid Kilowatt
Guitar Method 1996-1999


Wow, this stuff is great! It almost sounds like it was ACTUALLY recorded between 1996 and 1999! Oh…well, it looks like it actually WAS recorded during that time! I’m not sure if this album should count on this list as it’s more of a compilation of the band’s recorded material from that time, released in CD format a half-decade after their breakup, Regardless, Kid Kilowatt featured members of Cave In, Piebald and even Converge. Despite that sort of street cred, they played fairly straightforward Indie-influenced Emo.

This LP can feel a bit disjointed at times, a consequence of releasing all of the band’s material at once in LP format. However, if this album had come out in the late 90s while the band was still around, we might be calling this one of the best undiscovered Emo bands of the 90s (I guess we can technically still call them that).
41The 101
Green Street


The 101 use analog-sounding production that would be at home with the 90s Emo greats, utilizing some primitive Emo-Pop elements such as great use of melody and the odd synth here or there. The individual songs may not have much to write home about, but the flow of the album is actually quite good, making the sum greater than its parts.

This is especially good if you dig Christie Front Drive.
42The Moirai
Bury Yourself


Brian Carley, vocalist and guitarist of Penfold, refused to let Emo go by the wayside in the 2000s. Somehow, in the year 2005, The Moirai managed to unveil a 90s Emo classic that seemed lost to time and had just been unearthed. Midwest Emo had all but perished from the face of the Earth at this point, especially in the form of 90s Second Wave Emo, but The Moirai’s sole release aimed to inject the dying genre with one last super boost.

Bury Yourself is a true successor to Penfold’s two classic Second Wave albums, featuring almost every member of the aforementioned band in the credits. The complexity of the compositions appears deceptively simple to the untrained ear, but the quiet-loud dynamics that Penfold made a career of are all here in spades. Brian’s vocal performance is as good as it ever has been; legitimately, one of the best vocal performances you’re going to hear in this entire series. The vocal mastery is only matched by the intelligent, passionate lyrics it delivers. Alas,
43Minor Ache
Black Hours Surround You


Bury Yourself is a true successor to Penfold’s two classic Second Wave albums, featuring almost every member of the aforementioned band in the credits. The complexity of the compositions appears deceptively simple to the untrained ear, but the quiet-loud dynamics that Penfold made a career of are all here in spades. Brian’s vocal performance is as good as it ever has been; legitimately, one of the best vocal performances you’re going to hear in this entire series. The vocal mastery is only matched by the intelligent, passionate lyrics it delivers. Alas, the Second Wave can finally rest easy knowing The Moirai gave it a proper sendoff.

This gem comes by way of Melbourne, Australia! It seemed as though once the US gave up on Second Wave Midwest Emo completely, the international community stepped up and released a few bangers in the genre’s honor.
44Build Nest, Sleep
Build Nest, Sleep


Another early release from the How Is Annie record label, Build Nest, Sleep produces old school Emo with a Noise Rock twist! The production is relatively lofi and the songs are smartly built around this. It creates a somewhat dense atmosphere, and atmosphere is what Norway’s infamous label does best. Perhaps not the greatest album on this list, but it is certainly quite an interesting one.
45Relative
The Progress of Stagnation


Another early release from the How Is Annie record label, Build Nest, Sleep produces old school Emo with a Noise Rock twist! The production is relatively lofi and the songs are smartly built around this. It creates a somewhat dense atmosphere, and atmosphere is what Norway’s infamous label does best. Perhaps not the greatest album on this list, but it is certainly quite an interesting one.

This is arguably more Post-Hardcore at times, but the Second Wave Emo stank seems to have reached this band in the mid-aughts. Look out for lush sections of Emo atmosphere get broken up by chaotic outbursts throughout.
46The Brightest Comet
Demo


Female-fronted, Indie Rock-driven and unabashedly 90s in style, The Brightest Comet is a throwback Emo band in the vein of Rainer Maria or Eldritch Anisette. Their talented vocalist, Andi Camp, also performed vocal and bass duties for a 90s Emo band Ribbon Fix, so definitely check them out if you like this.

By 2007, Revival and Proto-Revival bands were coming together and started making music. The Brightest Comet decided to do it their own way and Second Wave lovers have every reason to be thankful.
47Aura...
Enquanto houver sentimentos


Maybe news didn't travel that fast to Brazil back in the day; Aura… didn't seem to know the Second Wave was long gone and the Fourth Wave was already looming. But damn, did they ever release a 90s-inspired gem with Enquanto Houver Sentimentos.

The analog recording gives this a true DIY feel while the compositions are familiar yet somewhat complex. They sound like they could have opened up for Mineral back in the day.
48Everton
Floorsleepers


Finally, our journey brings us to Austria with Everton. Floorsleepers features songs of varying lengths, but they always give the compositions time to breathe and create a true individual identity. The clean, chunky guitars provide a nice base for the sound while the rhythm section, particularly the drums, are active and lively, even during quiet moments.

Amazing, the production is also very reminiscent of the period they’re trying to visit. There must be a comparable “Midwest” area of Austria because these talented folks must be from there. The sad vibes are real.
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