JDubb
05.31.20 | To me, there is no doubt that Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath is the first Metal. Both song and album. Yeah, other and earlier bands (e.g. Led Zep) may have Incorporated those elements Into individual tracks; but they didn’t have the metal spirit. |
Meridiu5
05.31.20 | Imo Hendrix was first ie purple haze |
bobbydylan
05.31.20 | Helter Skelter was definitely an influence on the genre, along with Hendrix, Led Zep and others, but the first "true" metal songs are Black Sabbath's Self Titled album. |
ArsMoriendi
05.31.20 | I mean the term came from the 1968 song "Born to Be Wild" by Steppenwolf
Apparently a critic called it "heavy metal" because of the line:
"I like smoke and lightnin'
Heavy metal thunder
Racing with the wind
And the feeling that I'm under"
and the term caught on to describe heavier hard rock tracks before settling into its modern definition.
It was also released months before Helter Skelter was recorded, so it has Helter beat |
JDubb
05.31.20 | I have a hard time identifying Steppenwolf with metal, but I see your point. But this is first metal song, not first “heavy metal song”. Is there a subtle difference? metal is more encompassing, but perhaps less encompassing of early hard rock/heavy metal. |
JDubb
05.31.20 | Black Sabbath was metal - encompassing Various (e.g., doom, stoner, psychedelia, etc.) subgenres. |
ArsMoriendi
05.31.20 | "Heavy metal" is just what the original wave of metal was called
Like how "rock 'n' roll" got shortened to just "rock," and then eventually "rock 'n' roll" started to only mean the original 50s wave.
I'd say "heavy metal" vs "metal" functions similarly to "rock 'n' roll" vs "rock," but for the late 60s/early 70s, although of course it's not a perfect 1 to 1 |
GhandhiLion
05.31.20 | Black sabbath. Blue Cheer and Iron Butterfly had songs that were proto. |
Nerdurosis
06.01.20 | korn - daddy |
facupm
06.01.20 | Sabbath man |
budgie
06.01.20 | korn - daddy |
JustJoe.
06.01.20 | something from loveless |
budgie
06.01.20 | korn - when you sleep |
JayEnder
06.01.20 | Pulse of the Maggots |
Dedes
06.01.20 | Babymetal was first and only true metal |
JustJoe.
06.01.20 | ”korn - when you sleep“ [2] |
rockandmetaljunkie
06.01.20 | Beethoven's fifth symphony |
rockandmetaljunkie
06.01.20 | "Apparently a critic called it "heavy metal" because of the line..."
The first time a critic used the term heavy metal to describe a piece of music was for Sir Lord Baltimore's debut, Kingdom Come. There is no record of that phrase in previous reviews. |
FR33L0RD
06.01.20 | Black Sabbath's Self Titled album/track....Tony Iommi is the first metal beast IMO
{ Beethoven's fifth symphony for being the first true heavy rhythmic piece reused in modern music...dha-dha-dha-dhaaaaaaaammmm}
m/ :] |
TVC15
06.01.20 | Limp Bizkit - Only Shallow
(But in all seriousness, imo it's Helter Skelter) |
butt.
06.01.20 | Periphery was the first metal band ever. |
JustJoe.
06.01.20 | peripher-reee |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.01.20 | cromagnon bitches |
Sevengill
06.01.20 | "I Put A Spell On You" was the only metal song ever |
Muhlysa
06.01.20 | I love Potts |
Muhlysa
06.01.20 | Helter-Skelter was released 1968 so anything after that is moot. |
Muhlysa
06.01.20 | I see Black Sabbath mentioned. Their first album was 1970. While The Beatles - helter- Skelter was 1968. |
JDubb
06.02.20 | OK, I can see Korn -Blind for metal - that was a sound unlike anything I had heard b4. But Sepultura - Chaos AD may be one of the first steps in that form of metal. |
Cygnatti
06.02.20 | Born to Be Wild isn't really all that metal, even tho it is decently heavy. I'd argue that Helter Skelter is very heavy, but isn't quite metal as well. Like Ghandi said. |
JDubb
06.02.20 | Took another listen to Helter Skelter...I can see where u are coming from. But still don't think it's metal. No way should The Beatles achieve such an honor |
bloodshy
06.02.20 | Nothing really solidly was considered metal anymore after Nickelback released their self-titled album in 1972. Music that was once considered metal was then reclassified as hard rock and alternative. Nickelback - Nickelback used harsh vox and guitar distortion in such a heavy way that it blew everything old back, and everything that came later was inspired by this musical advancement and achievement. A few years later, the song "Photograph" won musical achievement of the century for setting the benchmark for metal standards and influenced generations to come. |
alamo
06.02.20 | First Metal Is Fine Finger Death Punch All Before It Was Just Gay Rock |
Scoot
06.02.20 | sabbath |
alamo
06.02.20 | The Weaknd Save Your Tears By The Weaknd |
Morningrise767
06.02.20 | Black Sabbath will always be the first Metal song in my eyes. |
Tundra
06.02.20 | One - Metallica |
Trifolium
06.02.20 | Gustav Holst - Mars, the Bringer of War (https://youtu.be/vzXX9XFyemg), from The Planets, Op. 32, release date 1918. |
FR33L0RD
06.03.20 | @Trif, it is heavy, indeed. Always, like that piece. |
AlexKzillion
06.03.20 | Black Sabbath will always be the first Metal song in my eyes. [2]
And Helter Skelter never would have crossed my mind if it wasn’t brought up in the thread multiple times already. It’s noisy and a rather abrasive for its time but is it “metal”? Not at all imo. Sounds way more akin to noise rock to me, maybe even punk too. |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | Master of Puppets
still one of the goats. that opening riff was enough to convert the most ardent hip hop head |
aydross121
06.03.20 | Yeah, I always considered Helter to be more into punk/noise than metal per se. 21st Century schizoid dude could be a decent candidate. But yeah it's probably Sabbath. |
Ebola
06.03.20 | down with the sickness |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.03.20 | see that cromagnon album came out the year after helter skelt
but helter skelts proto-metalness is debatable and that as well as every other (serious) suggestion here has pretty much been just different forms of rock as proto-heavy metal
cromagnon was making proto-BLACK METAL before most of those bands were even making heavy metal so /THREAD |
GhandhiLion
06.03.20 | " Not at all imo. Sounds way more akin to noise rock to me, maybe even punk too."
it's proto everything
"cromagnon was making proto-BLACK METAL"
Dumb meme. |
Sinternet
06.03.20 | in a gadda da vida has a shout imo |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.03.20 | lol ghandhi you are such a wet blanket
I can't wait til you get out of your obscure for the sake of obscurity phase that everyone else on the planet grew out of by adulthood |
GhandhiLion
06.03.20 | I never had that phase but ok. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.03.20 | LOL! |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.03.20 | dude you literally are the epitome of that phase. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
06.03.20 | like speaking of dumb memes
you are one |
budgie
06.03.20 | elvis' jailhouse rock was OBVI the first metal track the beatles? LOL! |
GhandhiLion
06.03.20 | I'm listening to the first track "Caledonia" right now. (The one that a lot of people say is black metal)
It's not black metal.
"dude you literally are the epitome of that phase."
Ok. Perhaps we just have different definitions of obscure. |
budgie
06.03.20 | damn pots was being so nice yesterday guess that was short lived
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GhandhiLion
06.03.20 | He is being nice. |
TVC15
06.03.20 | I mean, anything labelled "black metal" before like Bathory/Celtic Frost aren't gonna sound black metal |
GhandhiLion
06.03.20 | Exactly. |
budgie
06.03.20 | "I mean, anything labelled "black metal" before like Bathory/Celtic Frost aren't gonna sound black metal"
in the sign of evil & satanic rites |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | mercyful fate get tagged as proto black metal when they're just like traditional heavy metal with some evilish themes lol |
budgie
06.03.20 | got to be crazy to not realize a big part of black metal is the aesthetic |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | no for sure. it probably trips ppl up who listen to it
I have a friend like that who was confused when trying to listen to the early heavy metal songs like sabbath etc. he came away thinking, this is def not what I thought metal sounded like |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | People listening to Mercyful Fate thinking they're normal "traditional heavy metal" have either never actually listened to Mercyful Fate or are lying.
Please, PLEASE, someone go listen to Melissa rn and tell me what fucking trad metal band that album resembles. |
conesmoke
06.03.20 | Chopin's prelude in E minor is pretty metal. He gets my vote |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | idk what u call it man, nwobhm? just like that standard 80's heavy metal with the plodding riffs, fast solos, high pitched vox etc |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | It's black metal lol |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | Just lmao at the idea that Mercyful Fate played "standard" heavy metal |
budgie
06.03.20 | instrumentally the early mf stuff isn't too far away from diamond head, candlemass, manilla road, so it's not stupid for someone to just group it in with other traditional heavy metal acts
but i agree it does belong in the old school bm niche area |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | I consider MF to be first wave bm but to pretend they werent closer in sound to heavy metal bands than they were to even their other first wave contemporaries is weird |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | I would contest that Mercyful Fate were closer to a second wave black metal band in sound at the time of Melissa's release than their contemporaries.
If you can't hear all the classic black metal staples in their music then idk what to tell you tbh |
FR33L0RD
06.03.20 | I can understand why some people think that Cromagnon is the first B. Metal,
and that other think that Elter Skelter is the first H. Metal.(Hard Rock?)
They Elter Skelter probably influence Tony Iommi in his guitar sound.
Cromagnon LP is missing the electric guitar to be label Metal.
Maybe, there is not only one first. Maybe, heavy metal is a symbiose of many source.
IMO, Tony is the first mega-beast of Metal. Fair game, resume, i think.
After, Dio came and popularized The Metal Horn gest. borrowed from his italian grandmother pointing at him, you gotta go to hell, she said. And, he turn the gesture, bang. m/
m/ Aniway /m
PS: funny outofthebox responses are cool, i think. |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | @snox no shit dude, cuz they pioneered those staples lol
they had a unique sound that became very influential but that doesn't change the fact that it was rooted in heavy metal and hard rock among other influences |
budgie
06.03.20 | you might even say heavy metal and early black metal overlap :O wow |
bloodshy
06.03.20 | So far Mercyful Fate - Melissa isn't sounding like any black metal I've ever heard. No more than King Diamond, ZZ Top, or Guns and Roses. |
bloodshy
06.03.20 | When I think of black metal, I think of blast beats, tremelo picking, and high screams. Is there more to classifying it? |
budgie
06.03.20 | it (old school) is classified retrospectively
like, following the threads of influence backwards
blast beats tremolo picking and high screams is typical with mayhem & then the second wave though |
bloodshy
06.03.20 | Gorillas are old-school humans. |
FR33L0RD
06.03.20 | @budgie, nice sarcastic response, whoever it was destined.
@Keyblade, snox XD, i have to check the meaning in an urban dictionary to get the meaning. Why? im a french Canadian & old compare to young generations, 54 years
;) m/Aniway/m
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Gallantin
06.03.20 | "When I think of black metal, I think of blast beats, tremelo picking, and high screams. Is there more to classifying it?"
ur also an idiot so there's that |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | "they had a unique sound that became very influential but that doesn't change the fact that it was rooted in heavy metal and hard rock among other influences"
all metal is rooted in those things, i have no idea what the point you're trying to make is |
FR33L0RD
06.03.20 | ~~Gorillas are old-school humans.~~
Funny :] |
bloodshy
06.03.20 | Gallantin, rude. |
budgie
06.03.20 | salut mec! |
FR33L0RD
06.03.20 | Oh allo budgie, tu es Français, il me semble? |
budgie
06.03.20 | je l'espererais, mais je suis ne aux etats-unis |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | death to french |
garas
06.03.20 | https://youtu.be/uIenL5oEyKg |
budgie
06.03.20 | hey garas! i'm in that video! |
budgie
06.03.20 | "KISS: a band that mostly played glam-pop and disco"
wow, worst video ever. thumbs down |
Keyblade
06.03.20 | "all metal is rooted in those things, i have no idea what the point you're trying to make is"
the point is, the fact that some of their unique aspects went on to become staples of a future genre doesn't change the fact that they basically sound like judas priest had an evil child with deep purple or something, stop being weird |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | I refuse to believe you've listened to any of those three bands |
Sinternet
06.03.20 | is this old snox coming back? how do you manage to be such an insufferable twerp over minor disagreements that aren't even really disagreements |
Gallantin
06.03.20 | Because there's nothing else worth doing in this peepee soaked heckhole |
Wubs
06.03.20 | The Rite of Spring is pretty heavy
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conesmoke
06.03.20 | Lol..the rite of spring. Ballet-metal |
Wubs
06.03.20 | Hey it started a riot m/ m/ |
alamo
06.03.20 | This https://www.sputnikmusic.com/soundoff.php?albumid=347118 |
combustion07
06.03.20 | I always stick by Black Sabbath- Black Sabbath. Honorable mentions to The Beatles- I Want You (she's so heavy), King Crimson- 21st Century Schizoid Man and Led Zeppelin- Dazed and Confused though |
conesmoke
06.03.20 | "Hey it started a riot"
The riot of spring...... |
rockandmetaljunkie
06.03.20 | "They Elter Skelter probably influence Tony Iommi in his guitar sound"
Tony never aknowledged the beattles as an influence. I'm not saying he didn't listen to these guys, he just never mentioned a song that influenced his music. He always cited Jimi Hendrix and Cream as Sabbath's main influences. The band who influenced his playing the most was Hank Marvin & The Shadows. |
parksungjoon
06.03.20 | "lol ghandhi you are such a wet blanket
I can't wait til you get out of your obscure for the sake of obscurity phase that everyone else on the planet grew out of by adulthood"
for spending so much time on this site you have no clue what youre talking about |
Slugboiiii
06.03.20 | The Four Seasons by Vivaldi is metal as fuck |
TVC15
06.03.20 | What even happened to this thread lol |
rockandmetaljunkie
06.03.20 | it took off |
Egarran
06.03.20 | The first song that really resonated with me and seemed to fill a musical hole in my being was Criminally Insane by Slayer. It was like coming home. |
AlexKzillion
06.03.20 | I def want to back up what Keyblade is saying here. MF is awesome and is “black metal”... but I mean there’s a reason why 90s(!) Metallica sounds so awesome covering them, and it’s because those songs (instrumentally especially) aren’t far off from the stereotypical Metallica sound/formula. Always kinda attributed the black metal label to King Diamond’s voice and a e s t h e t i c more than anything. |
Wubs
06.03.20 | The first metal song I heard may have been Prison Song |
Egarran
06.04.20 | Also that riff in I Want You is the most metal thing on the white album |
Muhlysa
10.08.20 | Beatles wins |
Emim
10.08.20 | Whichever piece by Tchaikovsky has the cannons in it. Don't get more metal than that. |
budgie
10.08.20 | 1812 overture |
sixdegrees
10.08.20 | Hurrian Hymn No. 6
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TheAntichrist
10.08.20 | born to be wild |
Morningrise767
10.08.20 | Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath |
rockandmetaljunkie
10.08.20 | lol double post
I didn't see this is an old thread |
facupm
10.08.20 | of course its black sabbath |
TheAntichrist
10.08.20 | heavy metal thunder! |
aydross121
10.08.20 | Enter Sandman |
Allergist
10.08.20 | “I Put A Spell on You” is definitely proto-metal in terms of a vocal performance |
Archelirion
10.08.20 | Honestly no idea. Metal has always kinda been around for me. Probably something by Black Sabbath or Motorhead tho |
