samwise2000
04.26.19 | Thor was definitely the highlight of the film for me. Also, that ending scene was perfection. |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | Absolutely loved it. |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | before I post anything is this a spoiler thread. cos I don't want salty people getting shitty with me for clicking on a thread where there will clearly be spoilers... again |
theBoneyKing
04.26.19 | Loved it, I’m sure people will hate on it but it was a really really fun 3 hours, felt much faster just like the first one. |
veninblazer
04.26.19 | Might be that I'm a lonely, pathetic, miserable, filthy outsider who's committed the cardinal sin of never having much interest in superhero films in the first place, but I'm getting sick of hearing about these carbon-copy, generic, sequel-bait-ending hype trains that Marvel wants to call films every five seconds. Black Panther - disappointment. Infinity War - drags like hell. Give me one reason Endgame would change my mind about the whole genre. |
samwise2000
04.26.19 | I wasn't planning on posting spoilers personally. Id say its more a general discussion thread, although I cant say if other people are gonna be posting spoilers. Proceed with caution if you dont want to be spoiled, I suppose. |
Valzentia
04.26.19 | endgame spoilers: why the fuck is this 3 hours long |
samwise2000
04.26.19 | @AgentDeathbat this film ties up everything, no sequel baiting. There wasn't even an end credits scene. |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | "Give me one reason Endgame would change my mind about the whole genre" I promise you that absolutely no one cares enough to do this lmao |
veninblazer
04.26.19 | @Sam: alright, that's a fair point. I'm just sick of being let down every time I try to get into the MCU movies.
@Rowan: haha good enough for me |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | But if this is just a general thread imma stay out of it tbh, I only want to discuss specific things about the film and I'll just end up sniping the whole thread so |
kalkwiese
04.26.19 | So people are still really big on Marvel, huh? |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | what a dumb comment |
Trophycase
04.26.19 | "Might be that I'm a lonely, pathetic, miserable, filthy outsider who's committed the cardinal sin of never having much interest in superhero films in the first place, but I'm getting sick of hearing about these carbon-copy, generic, sequel-bait-ending hype trains that Marvel wants to call films every five seconds. Black Panther - disappointment. Infinity War - drags like hell. Give me one reason Endgame would change my mind about the whole genre."
There won't be one dude. Everyone tells me that "this time it's different" and after Dr. Strange and the piece of trash that was Infinity War I've just accepted that I will never be capable of enjoying these films. Sad that I can't relate when so many people love it but that's just how it is I guess. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | I'm sure the film is predictable enough that "spoilers" wont ruin much |
samwise2000
04.26.19 | @Rowan Eh, you can post spoilers honestly, if anyone comes here and gets upset that they were spoiled I really dont know what they were expecting.
SPOILERS FROM THIS POINT ON. DO NOT PROCEED IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE SPOILED. |
Trophycase
04.26.19 | I've heard iron man dies for real. I've gotta imagine RDJ was tired of doing these movies at this point. |
kalkwiese
04.26.19 | "what a dumb comment"
Simple question, no need to be butthurt. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | If only RDJ died for real |
TheNotrap
04.26.19 | I will see it this weekend, hope THANOS triumphs, but unfortunately, this isn’t going to happen |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | ok my main thought associated with this film, in the positive, is that this is the only superhero/blockbuster/comic film we've ever seen, and probably will ever see that actually fully deals with finality/things ending. it's in the name of the damn movie and the thing fuckin delivers - not only the major character deaths, which are generally about as shocking as these things can be, but in terms of arcs ending and things being resolved this is the only film this big we'll ever see that isn't concerned with sequel bait, post-credits shit etc. it's an actual finale to 11 years of shit both very good and very bad and that's crazy.
that doesn't mean it's all good. as a 3-hour movie this basically bounces between incredible and self-indulgent shit a whole lot - it's about as emotional as it is clunky and overwrought. I loved it, but it was a mess - Black Widow's death for example is the worst kind of drawn out, audience-baiting shit that also did a real disservice to a character who'd grown to be great and had more growing to do. pretty much everyone knew how Cap and Iron Man's stories will end, so it's a testament to the Russos and the actors that these moments still felt powerful and well-rendered even though they weren't surprising.
I can't help but wish we'd had a whole movie of the first hour of this, which was Marvel-equivalent of The Leftovers shit and some of my favourite stuff ever in these movies. but I realise that's logistically not possible, even if I'm pretty disappointed that what took its place in the second hour was largely self-reflexive gags about older movies and the third was yet another massive CGI battle (one with some absolutely incredible moments, but still). The Russos remain the absolute best at digging out those nuggets of emotion from insane, ridiculous beasts like this movie - overall, I feel weirdly satisfied and content with it despite all the bullshit |
InFlamesWeThrash666
04.26.19 | is it about guys in stupid costumes saving the world from the most powerful enemy ever? |
Sinternet
04.26.19 | thanos and aquaman gangbang |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | you really hit em with that nuanced and devastating critique |
Valkoor952
04.26.19 | Movie was very satisfying but there were definetly some flaws with it. By far the cringiest moment in the MCU has to be scene in the movie where all the female superheroes get together and strike a girl power pose. Absolutely forced drivel that took me out of the movie immediately. Still the ending was good.(Cap's arc however wasn't handled that well outside of the fact that he ended up with Peggy) |
theBoneyKing
04.26.19 | As if every Avengers movie isn’t basically a 2 hour long male power pose. I didn’t even notice the scene you mentioned but get over yourself. |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | lol I'm sure this will be a respectful and open minded discussion. fwiw Boneys right tho, and if you didn't see the female power moment coming since like Black Panther you weren't paying attention. |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | btw Cap's arc was by far the strongest part of this movie. dude was the heart of the MCU and they nailed it imo |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | Iron man dies, black widow dies, and cap returns to the past and live his life with that army chick he loved. |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | Ooops spoilers |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | rowan i agree it was definitely clunky but i feel the emotional payoff was worth it. |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | "Simple question, no need to be butthurt."
i'm not butthurt, but why pretend like marvel movies haven't been huge part of pop culture the last decade? |
kalkwiese
04.26.19 | Hehe, I wrote this to trigger people tbh.
But yea, I didn't care for a marvel movie since ... I can't remember honestly. I get the appeal to some extent though |
samwise2000
04.26.19 | I haven't ever been a really big fan of these films, although Ive always appreciated the pure spectacle of the whole thing, the MCU that is. The fact that this film was able to wrap up such a large set of films in a matter of hours, all while staying constantly entertaining and interesting is a testament to the genius of the people who mapped this whole thing out 10 years back. |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | "I've heard iron man dies for real. I've gotta imagine RDJ was tired of doing these movies at this point"
He dies. And it's for the better if ask me. RDJ is 54 years old and he's been playing this role for far too long. His character accomplished everything there was to accomplish. There was no better place to end his career as Iron Man than this film. And don't forget that RDJ costs more than everyone else.
It's good that he's out of the picture. It's time for some other characters to step up.
Also, people need to realize that RDJ didn't even want to do those last two films. He only appeared because he got paid ridiculous amounts of money. |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | What puzzles me is Black Widow's death. I really thought she would continue to play an active role in the storyline. After all, her solo film is greenlighted. Maybe they will use it to explore her past. |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | i wonder how the captain america franchise will do with sam now |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | i personally don't find him super likeable, but maybe this could be what it takes to turn him around |
TVC15
04.26.19 | RDJ did say he plans on still being involved with Marvel when his contract runs its course when the rounds with this movie are done so |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | I don't think that franchise will continue as it was. Maybe we will have something like "the new captain america" franchise, or just a solo Falcon movie where he will be using the shield. |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | @tvc15
it is unlikely, though |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | if it's true RDJ had to be dragged back for these last two films its pretty impressive that that didn't translate to the screen at all. dude brought his A game to every scene he had |
theBoneyKing
04.26.19 | Yeah he was great in this one. Personally I’m glad they’re done with Cap, I’ve never much liked their portrayal of the character. |
GhandhiLion
04.26.19 | I love capeshit |
neekafat
04.26.19 | 10/10 |
theBoneyKing
04.26.19 | Eh, in terms of enjoyability in the moment it was an 8.5ish but the more I think back on it the more flaws I realize. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | Really? Only black widow and iron man die? Weak. |
KenboSlice
04.26.19 | It was so good. When Cap wielded Mjolnir I got a massive nerd boner. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | Didnt cap already try and fail to wield mjolnir in the first or second avengers? |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | Vision picked it up too, mjolnir a slut |
SgtShock
04.26.19 | Thought it was kind of shitty how the movie's characters handled Thor's experience with trauma and substance abuse. I mean, I get its a superhero movie but I think filmmakers should take more responsibility when handling those topics -- even in a fantasy universe designed to sell more toys. They can do better than "haha you're fat", dodging or playing up alcoholism for laughs, and "lol come on bro its just your mom dying stop being a bitch about it and get shit done". |
SgtShock
04.26.19 | Also, I fucking hate how every scene in these movies has to have humor jammed into every crack, resulting in radical shifts in tone that leave me scratching my head. It feels particularly artificial because many times these moments are purely for the audience, and the characters themselves don't even seem to participate or even engage in the humor they themselves create.
Other than those nitpicks (and the fact that the first act dragged), it was a fun 3 hours and I liked how they found a solid/nostalgic way to liven up the tired old time-travel plotfixing story arc. |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | The Captain America/Mjolnir scene was so fucking good. |
Valkoor952
04.26.19 | "As if every Avengers movie isn’t basically a 2 hour long male power pose. I didn’t even notice the scene you mentioned but get over yourself."
what
what are you talking about 2 hour male pose lmao. If you don't find the obvious difference between all the avengers (80% of which happened to be male up till the last two movies) standing together and the scene in this movie where they specifically took half of the avengers( all the women) and got them all unite together in the midst of battle as if female superheroes would feel the need to make a girl power statement in the middle of an apocalyptic battle, then I can't help you. Like we are about to die, but at least Thanos must know that we are strong gurllzz and we bow to no men. It's forced, it's corny and it's obvious pandering.
"fwiw Boneys right tho, and if you didn't see the female power moment coming since like Black Panther you weren't paying attention."
So, this is supposed to make it okay? Because I should have expected it? What's your argument here, irregardless of whether or not they were leading up to this, the fact remains the scene is cringe.
Girl power in action movies used to be about badass female characters kicking ass without any need to lecture us about how they kick ass. They just do it, and that's what makes them actually strong. A perfect example- the Mission Impossible franchise. Some of the most well executed and strong ass-kicking female characters are there without the need for any obtrusive and unecessary feminist statements to make sure I'm told that they are very strong and powerful. |
Trebor.
04.26.19 | Fat Thor rules. Was very happy to see Taika Waititi's character too |
KenboSlice
04.26.19 | I thought seeing Scarlet Witch fucking Thanos up was a pretty good statement of strong women.
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KenboSlice
04.26.19 | Thor threatening to come to a kids house and rip his arms off and shove them up his butt was pretty funny |
samwise2000
04.26.19 | If theres one thing I would have liked, it would have been more conversation between Cap and Agent Carter, because if im recalling correctly, the two didnt share a single word with each other the entire film. Same goes for Thor and Jane, although that was out of the studios control since Natalie Portman clearly doesnt want any part in these films anymore. |
Valkoor952
04.26.19 | Fat Thor's look was I feel in ways homage to Lebowski ( I mean they even mention it) and it was pretty cool. |
Valkoor952
04.26.19 | I'm so glad the scene with Scarlet Witch fucking up Thanos was there because she is supposed to be one of the stronger avenger characters and they kinda didn't explore that in the previous movies all that much.
However this scene doesn't help the problem I have with this MCU - the fact that you don't know how strong each character actually is. They all seem to fluctuate all of the time. Thor in IW for example was so much stronger than Thor in Endgame. Thor in Endgame was a joke pretty much. I was so hyped after his entrance in IW and him getting stormbreaker but they nerfed him significantly for this movie. |
Tundra
04.26.19 | Every time I think they can't top the last one they prove me wrong... Endgame ruled hard... |
Tundra
04.26.19 | Dude, Thanos took the biggest beating I think I've ever seen, and he was STILL fighting, it was basically 20 Avengers vs Thanos for a little bit, the whole fight scene was a damn spectacle... one of my favorite parts was Thanos completely shattering Cap. America's shield in freakin' pieces, that is some monolithical strength, man... |
SgtShock
04.26.19 | @Valkoor re womz: I wouldn't get too worked up over that shit, man. The whole movie was a saccharine and contrived dose of pandering fanservice so a woman's power moment isn't really tonally outta left field or too political for me. But hey, maybe you earn this much pandering when your movie series is like 20 films long or some shit like that. |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | Scarlet Witch has been a joke in these movies so far |
Tundra
04.26.19 | I think they did Scarlet Witch justice in the movie, (although I thought she was also handled really damn well in Infinity War too) |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | they've done a pretty good job with redeeming Scarlet Witch considering she had the bad luck to be introduced in one of the worst movies in this entire franchise tbh. but redeeming other people's fuck ups had kinda been the Russos' specialty since Civil War anyway |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | I know my man pots likes at least one thing about these movies deep inside. just one. I'll get it out of him one day |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | I'm trying to think of one, I'm having a hard time brb |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | I like that Elizabeth Olsen is hot in the face. |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | was Elizabeth Olsen a secret, third, hotter twin that they kept a secret until Marykate and Ashley started looking like witches irl then they deployed Elizabeth from the penthouse |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | seriously she's really good and I have no idea where she was before marvel lmao |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | lmao yep |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | oh also i liked thor ragnarok because taika |
brainmelter
04.26.19 | Iron man rip |
nol
04.26.19 | Movie was fantastic
Love fat Thor, asgardians of the galaxy!!! |
Lord(e)Po)))ts
04.26.19 | yeah i'll bet u do gayboi |
nol
04.26.19 | dad-bod 😏 |
Rowan5215
04.26.19 | Ragnarok is the second best MCU movie, so good. swag man Taika rehabilitating a shitty trilogy and three shitty major characters in one go, and making Cate Blanchett super hot as a bonus. eat it Peter Jackson |
nol
04.26.19 | The story of ragnarock was whack but it was very pleasurable to watch. Guardians 2, ragnarock, and these last two avengers have been my easy favorites, other than maybe original iron man. I had no hope for the franchise after Austrian, I’m really glad they managed to salvage it into something wonderful and meaningful. This movie will leave a positive impact on a lot of people I feel. |
KenboSlice
04.26.19 | Cap had the right idea by going back in time to plow Peggy. |
nol
04.26.19 | He saw her in his time machine mission, and his primal instincts took over |
Trebor.
04.26.19 | Getting your nut > protecting the delicate space/time continuum |
KenboSlice
04.26.19 | I can't blame him. Hayley Atwell is a 10/10 |
alamo
04.26.19 | i wish these marvel and dc movies were more like spiderverse or batman forever and less like a brazilian telenovela |
KenboSlice
04.26.19 | Batman Forever sucked lol |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | Cate Blanchett is always sexy no matter what, Rowan |
rockandmetaljunkie
04.26.19 | Is anyone gonna miss RDJ in his role as Iron Man ? |
geezers1989
04.26.19 | idk if i can sit through 3 hours of superheroes tbh |
TheSpirit
04.26.19 | You can, the pacing is very good and it’s not uber super hero-y for a good portion. |
Greyvy
04.27.19 | grown ass men really in here watching marvel movies lmaooo |
Tyler.
04.27.19 | watched the movie today |
Tyler.
04.27.19 | it felt a little clunky at times but i liked it |
samwise2000
04.27.19 | Yea, some parts were a little disjointed, but overall the experience was incredibly entertaining |
Trophycase
04.27.19 | "Also, I fucking hate how every scene in these movies has to have humor jammed into every crack, resulting in radical shifts in tone that leave me scratching my head. It feels particularly artificial because many times these moments are purely for the audience, and the characters themselves don't even seem to participate or even engage in the humor they themselves create."
Immersion is not something the directors/writers understand. |
Lucman
04.27.19 | Just saw it. What a fantastic conclusion. Brilliant film. |
DarkSideOfLucca
04.27.19 | "grown ass men really in here watching marvel movies lmaooo"
Yeah dude, it's super adult to hate on shit that isn't R-rated. Most adults I know still like Disney films, dude. It's usually just teenagers that say shit like this. |
onionbubs
04.27.19 | pretty good movie. didn't need to be that fucking long and some parts of it felt boring and way too over the top for its own good, but it was more entertaining than not.
not super into these films tho outside of being fun dumb action movies n shit so the ending fight scene felt more self indulgent and the most blatant and obvious fanservice ever, but im sure if i was more a fan id be hype on it |
GhostB1rd
04.27.19 | N E R D S |
Trophycase
04.27.19 | Disney movies are actually good |
Sevengill
04.27.19 | I saw the premiere and the second showing a few hours later. cried the second time. |
JeetJeet
04.27.19 | This was decent. I lowkey started dozing off near the middle part. Fat Thor was awesome. The final battle was great. Iron Man had the best arc. I dont even wanna think about the time travel aspect of it all tho cus it'll completely crumble, so I'll just say this was aight and leave it at that. |
JeetJeet
04.27.19 | Oh and Captain Marvel did fuck all besides getting Tony back to Earth. Didnt need to even bother watching her solo movie |
Sevengill
04.27.19 | and destroying the Black Order's mother ship while it rained fire, and saving Peter's life, and keeping Thanos from snapping while he had the gauntlet on (twice)...are you sure you didn't actually sleep through the end of the movie? |
Valkoor952
04.27.19 | Captain Marvel was largely useless yes. However I'm glad it was that way, that character and actress omit 0 charisma. |
Sevengill
04.27.19 | I literally just wrote how she wasn't useless but also agree that downplaying her was to the film's advantage because her powers are "uh, superman?" and her personality is basically smirking smugly |
StrikeOfTheBeast
04.27.19 | Still have to see Infinity War, but I wasn't a huge fan of the first two tbh |
Trophycase
04.27.19 | Don't bother |
StrikeOfTheBeast
04.27.19 | I won't. lol |
Keyblade
04.28.19 | fucking ruled
time traveling avengers? oh fuck yes |
Keyblade
04.28.19 | finally going thru this thread. the minute I saw Valkoors name I knew he'd be complaining about that one scene lmao |
deathschool
04.28.19 | I loved it. Cap with Thor's hammer was the most badass moment in the MCU. |
Keyblade
04.28.19 | theater went crazy when that happened |
Tyler.
04.28.19 | yep |
encomium
04.28.19 | It was fine. Needed more Captain Marvel. Mostly underwhelmed by it and i'm mostly a fan of the MCU |
Sevengill
04.28.19 | I nearly did the 22-movie marathon but couldn't get three days off work |
Rowan5215
04.28.19 | "Still have to see Infinity War, but I wasn't a huge fan of the first two tbh"
totally different thing tbh. Whedon and his 'get this right - every female character is Buffy and every male character is a massive asshole' writing had nothing to do with any of these movies after Ultron thankfully |
JeetJeet
04.28.19 | When Cap got Thor's hammer the whole fuckin theater started wylin shit was amazing. |
deathschool
04.28.19 | First Avengers was great though, Row
As well as integral to this End Game’s plot
But yeah, this is still on another level
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Rowan5215
04.28.19 | it's fine. shit's aged pretty poorly with Thor being a different character altogether now, Banner being a different character altogether now, Captain America's shitty suit (at least Endgame made fun of that) and the really low-stakes threat in hindsight. but it's way better than the absolute fucking trash that's Age of Ultron |
Source
04.28.19 | I really like Infinity War and the first Avengers movie. Didn't care much for this one or Ultron |
deathschool
04.28.19 | I think Thor has been has been like 5 different characters though, and at this point, I think the inconsistency is on purpose. He wasn't all that interesting until Ragnarok anyway (with his progression up to that movie being much more interesting in hindsight). Banner was literally a different actor at one point, so the first Avengers had to build a character out of him as fast as possible (while doing a solid job). And End Game's Banner is definitely supposed to be its own thing. The Captain America suit was dumb yeah, but it's a miracle they ever got it to stop looking like trash. |
Faenrir
04.28.19 | 7/10 it was ok.
Dragged on a bit and nowhere near infinity war. |
Rowan5215
04.28.19 | "I think Thor has been has been like 5 different characters though, and at this point, I think the inconsistency is on purpose. He wasn't all that interesting until Ragnarok anyway"
idk I think he's been largely the same character since Ultron and his changes since then have been justifiable with regards to what he's been through. his character in the first Avengers and Thor movies is just so unbelievably fucking dull and bad it's no surprise they completely retconned him. Ruffalo does a fine job in every movie but angsty dark Hulk does absolutely nothing for me (and his thing with Nat fucking sucks). kind of interesting how someone as generally praised for their humour as Joss Whedon elected to go with the angstiest, dullest version of each character - no one in that movie is having fun except RDJ |
MeatSalad
04.28.19 | It's interesting you say that as I recall the first Avengers movie being the most goofy and quip-laden of all MCU movies up until that point |
MeatSalad
04.28.19 | Also the best part of this movie was the constant bullying and emasculating of ant-man by literally every single character |
Rowan5215
04.28.19 | y'know that's how I remembered it too, but rewatching it recently it's obvious that Stark got all the jokes at the expense of every character being broody and miserable the whole time. the only other people in the movie who even drop quips are Loki (the villain), Nick Fury and Coulson (minor characters)
Captain America TFA honestly has more jokes and more character overall, and is a better movie too |
nol
04.28.19 | All I remember is that I truly hated age of ultron when I watched it, and Ultron was one of my favorite villains before that movie |
TheNotrap
04.28.19 | About to see the magnificent THANOS now |
Storm In A Teacup
04.28.19 | Endgame is good. |
Storm In A Teacup
04.28.19 | Nebula, Thor, and Iron Man are the stars of this movie. I was so afraid for Nebula this whole movie and so happy for her. She won a game and got to enjoy it! |
JeetJeet
04.28.19 | Iron Man might have the best character arc out of the whole MCU right now. Bruh went out like a legend. |
Rowan5215
04.29.19 | Nebula low-key has one of my fave if not fave arcs. They do so much with her with so little. And who knew Karen Gillan could actually act? |
TheNotrap
04.29.19 | "Avengers: Endgame' Decimates Record Books with $1.2 Billion Global Debut"
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Sevengill
04.29.19 | Nebula wasn't nearly as central as in the comics but I like her portrayal and arc in the MCU. Stark's was perfect, Thor's was very good, but they butchered the end of Steve's. Oh well. Sam will probably make a good new Captain. |
neekafat
04.29.19 | Seven what the hell, cap had the best ending in the whole franchise |
TheNotrap
04.29.19 | The inclusive thing is probably going too far, in my humble opinion
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Keyblade
04.29.19 | sigh |
Sevengill
04.29.19 | it was poetic but made no sense in continuity. changing his past would have put him in a new timeline instead of ending up back with the other avengers. and what did he do, just sit around knowing Bucky was being indoctrinated? that's very out of character. |
Rowan5215
04.29.19 | yikes
anyway they nailed Cap's ending as long as you don't think too much about the time travel which is fucked across the whole movie
Nat's ending is the one they dropped the ball on p hard |
Sevengill
04.29.19 | like, I get it. living out his life with Peggy is a wonderful reward for him and I got weepy at the end of the movie both times I saw it, but it still doesn't add up with established paradigms of the franchise and character. |
Sevengill
04.29.19 | Nat's was the opposite -- it made sense but was a bummer. Also, she has a solo film coming sooo...I guess we'll see how that works out. |
Kalopsia
04.29.19 | Movie had a ton of dumb writing and script issues. Tons of character choices and directions made no sense. But I had a ton of fun and it definitely didn't feel like 3 hours.
Was it perfect? No. Was it a masterpiece? No.
Was it a great sendoff to the MCU as we know it? Yes.
I'm a big fan of the MCU, but I do feel my interest totally dropped after this one. I'll likely still go see some of their new movies here and there as they interest me, but this is as good as a conclusion as we were lucky to get. The fact alone that this wasn't a trainwreck is a marvel by itself. |
Tyler.
04.29.19 | cant wait for guardians 3 |
JeetJeet
04.29.19 | "Can we talk about the black captain america at the end tho..."
Yeah that sucked. Nobody in the theater wanted that lol |
StrikeOfTheBeast
04.29.19 | Maybe Venom 2 will be rated R and actually kick ass |
Sevengill
04.29.19 | "black captain America...nobody in the theater wanted that"
what does race have to do with it? Steve gives Sam his shield to be the new Captain in actual Marvel canon. |
DoofDoof
04.29.19 | Just watched.
Was laughable. Pretty bad.
Top 10 bugbears:
- the film not wrapping up within 10 minutes of RDJ’s actually emotionally affecting death
- funeral scene leading up through every Z List important character culminating in Samuel Jackson in an eye patch. F’ck him, pure fan service nonsense.
- tubby dude from Swingers saying he’ll make RDJ’s daughter as out of shape as he is by feeding her hamburgers
- a battle scene of approx 20 female characters all in perfect choreography. One on a unicorn. Pandering.
- old ‘Cap’ not saying ‘I don’t think we need this’America’ sh’t now we’re a universal family’ and making a racially provocative choice of succession oh my. God bless America. Pandering.
- the exposition where marvel superwoman says ‘guys, I’m gonna be busy for most the movie ‘helping other planets’ and I’m going to get a weird haircut (actually doing other acting work?) but when I come back I’m 100 times more powerful than the rest of you and go about destroying any small amount of jeopardy the audience is still feeling.
- clear drop in standard of jokes from previous film and esp Ragnarok
- hawkeye’s ‘angry teenager’ haircut
- Scarlett johanson being the ‘big surprise death’
- the big battle being exactly like all the previous ones but clearly lesser
Rating: 5/10
Best Avengers film? Still Ragnarok. Hemsworth and Hiddlestone massively underrated with the comedy stuff |
JeetJeet
04.29.19 | "what does race have to do with it? Steve gives Sam his shield to be the new Captain in actual Marvel canon."
Nothing to do with race. I'm black and I'm always rooting for the black characters to win. Its just a whack ass choice tbh could care less about the canon aspect of it. |
Rowan5215
04.29.19 | "Was laughable. Pretty bad."
"Rating: 5/10"
i don't even need to delve into this one lmao |
nol
04.29.19 | Uh but falcon is cap’s partner, who else would take the mantel lmao. And don’t say Bucky cuz he’s still on thin ice, it’s gotta be someone who can play along with the gov’t.
|
DoofDoof
04.29.19 | It’s a shield and the name of ‘America’ - hardly essential to this new progressive future they seemed to be hinting at elsewhere |
nol
04.29.19 | He’s a recognizable icon to the people.
Maybe the movie hints at a progressive future but this movie didn’t really shove it in your face imo |
nol
04.29.19 | Black Widow dying doesn’t seem like a blunder to me, you can tell throughout the movie she’s emotionally damaged which to me foreshadows her fate, but I was still shocked, wish hawkeyes ratty haircut got squashed instead |
DoofDoof
04.29.19 | Captain f’ckin Timbuktu - why America? Why needed? The cap should have left that nationalism die with him lol |
nol
04.29.19 | someone hates their country |
JeetJeet
04.29.19 | Cmon bruh we all know he shoulda passed that shield to Big Dick Bucky |
DoofDoof
04.29.19 | I’ll give the film one thing - RDJ’s death was really well done.
I thought I was sick of Downey Jr but his performance was good here - he had the only emotionally affecting character arc in the end. One can be enough...unless you pretend others are as important when they’re not. There was a lot of that.
Thor being upset he knows his mum’s about to die? Eh, didn’t work for me. Scarlett swapped with a soul stone? Meh, sounds about right. Gimme stone gimme stone, let me give her an extra push. |
nol
04.29.19 | Bucky’s a fucking commie
& yeah iron man was clearly the protagonist of MCU. I teared up when it showed his artificial heart with “Proof that Tony Stark has a heart” engraved |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | falcon is easily my least favorite avenger, but it's a fkn no brainer that he would succeed cap. Bucky doesn't have the temperament, at least not yet...dude barely even recovered |
nol
04.29.19 | by raven I meant falcon lmao oops
he is a bland character for sure |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | i thought my man had an alter ego lol |
Kalopsia
04.29.19 | Bucky would have made more narrative and emotional sense to get the Cap shield/mantle. and it would have been satisfying with his multi-film redemption arc.
you could've even had the conversation largely the same as what Cap and Falcon said.
Bucky: I've done terrible things, I don't deserve the shield. It doesn't feel right.
Cap: Nah ur kewl bruh, its k. lawl |
JeetJeet
04.29.19 | "Bucky would have made more narrative and emotional sense to get the Cap shield/mantle. and it would have been satisfying with his multi-film redemption arc."
Tbh it would be waaay more interesting to see Bucky as Cap and how America reacts to having him carry on the legacy knowing the things he's done, and eventually grow to embrace him...than having BLAND ASS FALCON be the new Cap. |
nol
04.29.19 | bucky's a better character but he's also a russian spy idk if that's the best look for "captain america" |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | yea i would rather have Bucky too, it's much more interesting...those are all valid arguments. but the dudes above whose only opposition to this is the fact that Falcon is black are telling on themselves |
JeetJeet
04.29.19 | "but the dudes above whose only opposition to this is the fact that Falcon is black are telling on themselves"
There could be an interesting story to be told with Falcon being black and being Captain America considering the history of America itself and the climate of today...but I reaaaally don't trust Marvel to be able to pull that off. Unless Coogler gets involved. |
Rowan5215
04.29.19 | nah Falcon is a bro y'all crazy
he's like a better done Rhodey that they actually do shit with |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | yea i was wylin when i said falcon is easily my least favorite. Don Cheadle Rhodey is an even bigger dickrider for Stark. he has no personality beyond being human Jarvis |
Rowan5215
04.29.19 | I love Don Cheadle but yeah they absolutely fucking wasted him in these movies. remember when he got paralysed waist down and then it never got mentioned again? good times |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | yea agreed man. he's a great actor but he might as well not even be in the movies |
nol
04.29.19 | He says he relates to nebula in this movie, which is a reference to the fact that he’s basically a cyborg too due to his parlyzation.
But yeah don cheadle as war machine is trash, I have always missed the Empire guy |
Rowan5215
04.29.19 | yuh they throw in one line about it but Nebula has literally had all her human parts replaced bit by bit by cyborg parts by her crazy-ass father whereas Rhodey... has robot leg braces so it's kinda wack the movie puts those on the same level lol
I always liked Terrence Howard as Rhodey too, he had good screen presence. but you can't blame Favreau for firing the guy cos he's, y'know, literally fucking insane |
CygnusX1
04.29.19 | "Hello police, there's a thug who stole captain America's shield and is beating people up. Yes, he's black. Please send help" |
Valkoor952
04.29.19 | Falcon getting the shield made no sense whatsoever ( yes i know he did it in the comics but im referring to the cinematic version specifically). Like what is a perfectly human dude do with a super heavy vibranium shield that only Cap could really handle and use properly do? At least give it to Bucky who might actually get something out of it. |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | didn't seem to have trouble handling it in that scene. also it was obviously more of a symbolic gesture. he could make his own shield, modify this one, not even use it etc etc...won't make him any less Captain America |
Kalopsia
04.29.19 | "He says he relates to nebula in this movie, which is a reference to the fact that he’s basically a cyborg too due to his parlyzation."
lol i laughed at that part in the movie
it's like someone with allergies telling someone with cancer that they know exactly what they're going through |
Emim
04.29.19 | "One on a unicorn."
It's a goddamn Pegasus |
DoofDoof
04.29.19 | That shot of all the lady-heroes attacking at once was really funny - very Flash Gordon with the flying horses. |
Kalopsia
04.29.19 | at the end battle with eeeveryone… when they were all racing to get the gauntlet to the ant-man van.... did anyone know what the plan was? or what they would do if/once they got to the van? just whoever gets there first with the gauntlet just zooms in without a time suit??
that whole part goes by so fast i didn't realize even realize it doesn't make any goddamn sense. (and also how the ant-man van is conveniently just okay and working fine among the debris and absolute carnage from two heavy missile strikes) |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | doesn't the 2012 timeline change because Loki escaped with the tesseract? I can't remember how he escaped in the older movies. best case scenario I can think of is that he just moved the timescale forward but even that would mess things up |
nol
04.29.19 | I’m not even gonna try to rationalize any of the time stuff, it’s definitely a lil wack
And I agree falcon not being a super soldier impedes his ability to match Steve Rogers awesomeness |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | it leaves it open for some interesting movies in the future tho I'll say that
also I see Cap as more of a symbolic of courage and resilience, his superpowers are just a vehicle
Falcon at least in the MCU didn't seem to represent that so that's why he won't match Steve Rogers for me. but from a narrative perspective u would think Cap sees that in him and so it makes sense |
nol
04.29.19 | I hope they don’t do anything with Captain Falcon America |
Keyblade
04.29.19 | no I meant the (mis)adventures of Loki post alternate 2012 |
MO
04.29.19 | just saw it. was solid. Done with Marvel after this though. All their most interesting characters have moved on |
Jasdevi087
04.29.19 | how can you be done with Asgardians of the galaxy on the horizon |
Sevengill
04.30.19 | Ass-Guardians (Jeff Goldblum chuckle) is going to be great |
Sevengill
04.30.19 | I'm a cult music snob but I have no reservations about sucking Marvel's big blue dick |
StrikeOfTheBeast
04.30.19 | Wait how do you know it's blue? |
Keyblade
04.30.19 | ^ real cultured fellow right here |
Sevengill
04.30.19 | because I don't shut my eyes? |
StrikeOfTheBeast
04.30.19 | lmao |
Emim
04.30.19 | "at the end battle with eeeveryone… when they were all racing to get the gauntlet to the ant-man van.... did anyone know what the plan was? or what they would do if/once they got to the van? just whoever gets there first with the gauntlet just zooms in without a time suit??"
My understanding was that they were just trying tk get it out of Thanos' reach. Throw it through and figure out the rest later. |
Storm In A Teacup
04.30.19 | No one respects Bucky, including Marvel. =( |
Storm In A Teacup
04.30.19 | Poor Keyblade lol |
Keyblade
04.30.19 | ? |
Rowan5215
04.30.19 | "No one respects Bucky, including Marvel"
dude he's a mega-hot reformed russian spy with a vibranium arm who was the villain in the best marvel movie by far. everybody I know fucking froths for Bucky lmao |
Kalopsia
04.30.19 | i mean, that's your easy plot outline right there:
bucky takes up the mantle of captain America but faces political and public scrutiny for his dark past and actions. when a new threat arises, bucky will face opposition on both sides to do what's right and save the day. |
Keyblade
04.30.19 | that would work if the general public in comics weren't generally just cheerleaders for whoever saved the day |
Kalopsia
04.30.19 | fuck the comics |
Sevengill
05.01.19 | bold stance |
LOVEANDACCEPTANCE
05.01.19 | I cannot believe people continuously put money in the pockets of the pretty boy actors to make these dogshit, shallow, predictable ass movies
like good shit idiots |
Jasdevi087
05.01.19 | r/tfwtoointelligent |
Storm In A Teacup
05.01.19 | I think it should be obvious I was talking about Bucky in Infinity War and Endgame and how he was so underutilized. |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | "I cannot believe people continuously put money in the pockets of the pretty boy actors to make these dogshit, shallow, predictable ass movies"
Totally sympathize dude. I just can't understand it. |
Rowan5215
05.01.19 | nah only way they've misused Bucky is having him always fight with a gun now. I want that dude to do more knife-fight choreography tbh |
samwise2000
05.01.19 | @trophycase I think the reason the Marvel films have gained such a large fanbase is because they are relatively easy to get into, with lots of fun, lighthearted moments mixed with larger than life stakes which the characters have to overcome, all while being part of a huge universe of interconnected films. For most people, if you just want to go out for a night on the town to go see a movie, its a really safe bet to go see a Marvel film, since they are basically guaranteed quality. Theres a sense of satisfaction that came with this film especially, as it wrapped up the majority of the plotlines that Marvel had created over the past 10 years. I get why people dislike these films, but I think even those who dont enjoy them can appreciate the craftsmanship that has gone into creating such a cohesive set of films. Clearly they are doing something right - with the release of Endgame the marvel franchise became the largest grossing film franchise of all time. |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | I get it, they are decent popcorn flicks I guess, though I don't personally enjoy them much. But the audacity of critics to praise these films and for them to achieve 7th ranked movie on all time on IMDB (I know shit usually falls after release) is what really irritates me. Not to mention everyone will be copying their formula. I have no problems with the movies per se, just that they are so wildly popular is a bit frustrating to me. |
Keyblade
05.01.19 | I mean obviously huge budget movies about beloved comic book characters going ham in the same movie are going to be hugely popular. ppl aren't going to cinemas in droves to watch art house films, come on man |
Rowan5215
05.01.19 | lmao the AUDACITY of critics to praise a film they enjoy |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | I mean, it would be like Anthony Fantano giving a Chainsmokers album a 10. Idk what is so controversial about my statement. Yeah, it's fun and enjoyable in the right setting, but give me a break. |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | Only difference is Fantano won't get blackballed by Disney if he doesn't give it good ratings. |
Source
05.01.19 | I remember when the dark knight was briefly the highest rated movie on there. Good times |
Keyblade
05.01.19 | u mean like Fantano giving Kanye West albums a 10? thankfully entertainment critique has largely moved past elitism |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | > u mean like Fantano giving Kanye West albums a 10?
Isn't Fantano giving MBDTF a 7 still a meme to this very day? So I guess, no, I don't mean that.
> thankfully entertainment critique has largely moved past elitism
Critique is basically elitism by its very nature. I'm not even sure what you're getting at here. Critique has moved from elitism, to... ?
|
Trophycase
05.01.19 | Is it elitist for me to say the Emoji Movie is shit? Or am I required to express how it is a "fun experience the whole family will love :)" |
Jasdevi087
05.01.19 | elitism as in saying shit like "this is a big budget disney film, so by default it is worth nothing" |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | Except nobody is saying that. |
Jasdevi087
05.01.19 | "Is it elitist for me to say the Emoji Movie is shit?"
thank you for providing me with an example. It would be elitist for you to say "the Emoji Movie is shit, because it is a big studio production aimed at a general audience" and not moving past the fact |
Keyblade
05.01.19 | towards poptivism
pretty sure Fantano gave that kids see ghosts record a 10 but the point is that he's given plenty of blockbuster records love over the years
it's not some conspiracy that critics liked this movie in the same way say a Beyonce album is critically acclaimed...it's nothing new |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | Ok, but it's fine for me to say that Avengers is shit because the directors don't understand tone, the writing is bad, and the jokes are cringey. I guess we're in agreement then. Disney created movies aren't bad by default... |
nol
05.01.19 | Apparently Disney movies have to be good by default.
On the other hand the wildly popular thing shouldn’t be that surprising for you, it goes hand in hand with the scale of the franchise. |
Trophycase
05.01.19 | Idk I generally go in with low expectations but trying to like the movie. I generally enjoy the first part of origin stories (Dr. Strange, Cpt. Marvel) but they flounder in the back half for me.
I just compare these movies to something like Alita, Battle Angel. It was fun, the action sequences were cool. There was some cringey dialogue and the plot and romances were cliche. Exactly what I expected out of a popcorn action flick. That's all it was, and I was happy with that. Anyway, I'll try not to comment in the thread anymore. I get you guys like the film/franchise and want to talk about it, so I won't come here and shit on it anymore. |
Faraudo
05.01.19 | Movie was amazing, it has it's fair share of flaws, but I'll definitely let them pass because of how good of a time I had with it. It never felt like a 3 hour movie, the characters felt way more developed and human, the humor landed really well, it had some dark af moments, cinematography is excellent, CGI was pretty good, performances from the main cast were absolutely on point (Hemsworth, Evans and Downey are particular highlights) etc. Lots of good stuff in here.
It's fairly obvs that some of the good folk at Sputnik disliked it, because that's what some people do. It's ok to not be invested in the MCU and even to dislike it, but completely slanting such a big endeavour as this film just because you don't like the MCU/Disney makes ya kinda dumb. |
Kalopsia
05.01.19 | "I just compare these movies to something like Alita, Battle Angel. It was fun, the action sequences were cool. There was some cringey dialogue and the plot and romances were cliche. Exactly what I expected out of a popcorn action flick."
umm... so any superhero movie or blockbuster movie ever? what's your point or difference you're trying to make again? |
Storm In A Teacup
05.01.19 | scarlet witch was amazing in endgame |
Storm In A Teacup
05.01.19 | I also feel like this was a good movie individually for all six of the original Avengers; they all evolved in one way or another, unfortunately Black Widow had a horrible five years obviously becoming a more erratic and nerve broken character and didn't get to have a happy ending, except knowing she had saved Clint, unlike Tony knowing he had gotten rid of Thanos and saved everyone. |
swipenet
05.02.19 | Saw the premier on Thursday. Was pretty dece despite all the plot holes |
Source
05.02.19 | "except knowing she had saved Clint"
she was at peace for the last 5 seconds of her life |
Kalopsia
05.02.19 | would've been great for Tony (or Bruce) to have a "inside the soul stone" moment after doing the snap, like Thanos did with young Gamora... where Tony sees Black Widow and has a nice touching moment |
Storm In A Teacup
05.03.19 | that would have been nice indeed. maybe that's where he goes since he died using all of the stones. or maybe that's a ridiculous notion. |
Kalopsia
05.03.19 | hey, not a bad idea.
their scene could have been inside a boxing ring, like when they first met in ironman2. which i think is the first time any two avengers meet each other right?? dang, missed opportunity |
SitarHero
05.03.19 | Finally saw the damn thing. Lots of plotholes but an entertaining movie nevertheless. RIP Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. Good way to wrap up a good run. I think I'm about done with Disney too. |
samwise2000
05.03.19 | I dont see how you can be 'about done with disney' when disney owns a huge chunk of the entertainment industry lmao |
Kalopsia
05.03.19 | Sitar is solely watching indie mumblecore films from here on out obvi |
SitarHero
05.03.19 | ^This
But there's still DC/WB and they've actually made 2 decent movies in a row. And I might sneak in a GOTG or Deadpool every once in a while. |
Kalopsia
05.03.19 | yeah, i think GOTG3 will be safe now that James Gunn is back. i'm still excited for that
though i'm worried whatever original story they have for Vol3 will have be changed to deal with Gamora's deal in Engame |
SitarHero
05.03.19 | So...what IS Gamora's deal in Endgame?
Does 2014 Gamora disappear along with Thanos' other minions? Does this mean that GOTG3 will be about trying to rescue 2018 Gamora from the Soul Stone?
Or does 2014 Gamora survive because she's a good guy now and she's off having new adventures and GOTG3 will be about trying Quill trying to win her back despite now having competition from dadbod Thor?
Or did 2014 Gamora disintegrate and now Quill has to figure out how to un-disintegrate 2014 Gamora by getting all the infinity stones again? |
Keyblade
05.03.19 | I'd bet money on it being the second one |
Kalopsia
05.03.19 | No way 2014-Gamora got dusted, but she seemed to run off after 2014-Nebula got killed and she kicked Starlord in the beanbag. so with the timeline... 2014-Gamora has none of the memories of GotG1 or 2, since that's before she met Quil right? soooo all that character development and relationships are all for naught? |
SitarHero
05.03.19 | I figure that's most likely what's going to happen; a little love triangle action in space once Thor goes back to being his pirate angel self because 2014 Gamora has no history with Quill. But it was annoying because she just disappears during the big battle after the whole Lady Avengers Assemble sequence and we don't see her at all since then.
However, I wouldn't put it past GOTG3 to try and rescue 2018 Gamora simply because Black Widow is trapped in there too and ScarJo has a Black Widow standalone movie in development so if they're going to go and fish her soul out of the soul stone they might as well fish 2018 Gamora's out as well. |
SitarHero
05.03.19 | Also, ever since that scene in Civil War when Bucky and Sam are in the car smirking while Cap makes out with Peggy Carter's niece I've had a feeling that Bucky and Sam were gonna team up in a buddy action-comedy.
Now they even have the perfect title: Falcon and Wolf |
Storm In A Teacup
05.03.19 | asGuardians of the Galaxy 3 plotline -
Guardians: "2018 Gamora is lost forever!"
new character introduced: "You know nothing, Guardians Snow." |
Rowan5215
05.04.19 | Black Widow's movie is a prequel/origin story. Pretty sure soul stone sacrifice is how she dies permanently. |
SitarHero
05.04.19 | Is that set in stone yet about it being a prequel? |
Rowan5215
05.04.19 | the only way it's not is if they were just lying about it to preserve the surprise when she comes back. which could be the case. but afaik it was written and cast as an origin story |
deathschool
05.04.19 | Hey, Row. What’s your favorite MCU movie? |
Jasdevi087
05.04.19 | I'm kinda imagining post-endgame MCU is supposed to kind of be like what DC are doing now: i.e., making whatever movies the directors actually want to make (hence a Black Widow origin story).
though the acquisition of fox makes me wonder if there's plans to do something similar to the avengers but with Galactus as the big threat? |
deathschool
05.04.19 | This time, God tries to kill them |
Jasdevi087
05.04.19 | was it Marvel or DC that was doing that Jesus comic?
cause that could happen |
Rowan5215
05.04.19 | @ds Winter Soldier, 100%. rewatched them all in prep and that movie is even better than it was in cinemas which for Marvel's rare. Ragnarok and GOTG are 2 and 3, what about yours? |
Rowan5215
05.04.19 | really want MCU to adapt the comic where alternate Frank Castle dies, becomes Ghost Rider then goes back in time to raise baby Thanos. make it happen Feige |
Divaman
05.04.19 | Re/ Elizabeth Olsen -"seriously she's really good and I have no idea where she was before marvel lmao"
I know she was in Godzilla. |
SitarHero
05.04.19 | ^yeah it was funny and weird cos her and the Quicksilver dude were married in that. |
Valkoor952
05.04.19 | It's hard to ger excited about any upcoming marvel movies after endgame tbh
The 3rd Guardians might be cool, because of Thor, but the second one was garbage compared to the first one and James Gunn will be back for the third kne. And Thor's arc is kinda weak right now. He easily became one of the most meandering, useless and comedic relief kinda characters in Endgame. I mean he was fun, but on a character level he doesn't have any interesting narratives anymore, no responsibility - just there to drop goofy jokes which sucks.
Other than Guardians, I can't get excited about any other upcoming movie. |
Valkoor952
05.04.19 | Winter Soldier, Civil War, GOTG1, Iron Man, IW, Endgame and Ragnarok are the best marvel movies. |
Meridiu5
05.04.19 | A lot of it was good. Some of it was forced. Bunch of wasted potential. The fight scenes in Pt I were better. 7.9/10 |
Storm In A Teacup
05.05.19 | I think if Thor is going to be a Guardian then this recent character development was necessary and better than a lot of the other stuff in Endgame. He needed to take a hit to meld better with the GOTG because, IMO, he shouldn't be the star, but an equal to the rest of the team. |
zaruyache
05.05.19 | we don't even know what movies they're actually doing in phase 4 outside of the obvious sequels tho so hold on before being declaring yourself not excited :p |
Kalopsia
05.06.19 | gotg2 is great, y'all crazy |
Storm In A Teacup
05.06.19 | I agree about gtg2 being great. |
Storm In A Teacup
05.06.19 | 1. GotG 1
2. Avengers Infinity War
3. The Winter Soldier
4. Civil War
5. Thor Ragnorak |
Kalopsia
05.06.19 | "And Thor's arc is kinda weak right now. He easily became one of the most meandering, useless and comedic relief kinda characters in Endgame. I mean he was fun, but on a character level he doesn't have any interesting narratives anymore, no responsibility - just there to drop goofy jokes which sucks."
you mean besides Thor being the only character with any sort of arc in Endgame? yeah he was played up as a fat joke, but you have to look at the emotional guilt he went through from IW through his depression, then resolution with his mom, then turning bamf in the last battle |
SitarHero
05.06.19 | "you mean besides Thor being the only character with any sort of arc in Endgame?"
I don't think Thor was the only character with an arc. Hawkeye and Stark get arcs too. |
Kalopsia
05.06.19 | did Hawkeye have an arc though?
- happy family man, but they get dusted
- turns to murderous vigilante in one scene
- black widow says 'hei dude, killing=bad' then he stops in that same scene |
Firedust
05.06.19 | Infinity war was better tbh |
SitarHero
05.06.19 | The murderous vigilante thing stays, but I think he remains cynical about the whole process right up until he's the one who tests the first time travel trip. Then later he has to come to terms with the fact that Nat sacrificing herself was the more logical choice and that he has to live with her death. |
Kalopsia
05.06.19 | but his turning vigilante doesn't inform or have any effect on any decision on Black Widow sacrificing herself though. they aren't related, they're just two different things that happen to him over the course of the movie |
SitarHero
05.06.19 | Yeah I suppose you're right. They're not directly related, but I feel like there was a fair bit of development to his character over the course of the movie.
But while we're on the subject of Thor's character development, the dude has been through a lot of shit in a very short time. I mean, he's about a thousand years old, right? So from 2011 to circa 2023 (a roughly 10-12 year span), he's been betrayed by (and watched the death of) his brother multiple times, was broken up with by his girlfriend, saved earth three times, saved his own planet twice, lost his beloved hammer, lost his own planet, lost his mother and father, lost his four closest Asgardian friends, lost his eye, and failed the entire universe.
That's the equivalent of having all that shit happen to the average 30 year old person in the course of a single summer. No wonder the dude was depressed. |
Kalopsia
05.06.19 | *plus Thor likely got severe pink eye from that new eyeball that rocket had shoved up his ass |
SitarHero
05.06.19 | I like to believe that Asgardians are genetically predisposed towards all manner of immunity from illnesses. I'm pretty sure it'll probably also take like 2 weeks for Thor to get back into fighting shape. And while I am definitely trying to wash my hands of the Disney entertainment monopoly, the prospect of a Thor+Quill cosmic odd couple buddy comedy sounds incredibly fun. |
Kalopsia
05.06.19 | gotg + thor for their third movie could be awesome, but i have some serious doubts he'll stick around. i could easily see them explaining Thor away with one line like "oh he went to do a thing somewhere else, he's gone now".
but we can hope! |
Meridiu5
05.07.19 | Infinity war was better tbh
I felt this way, especially the final fight scene |
Rowan5215
05.07.19 | " - black widow says 'hei dude, killing=bad' then he stops in that same scene"
lol yeah this one bothered me the most. all that setup for him being a vigilante badass and the second him and Nat reconnect he's jokey Whedon-era Hawkeye instantly. should have had him training to kill Thanos directly that whole time and then he goes for it in the final battle and gets nearly killed (instead of the Captain Marvel pointless wrestle bit, imo, this movie should have been all about the og avengers) |
Valkoor952
05.07.19 | "you mean besides Thor being the only character with any sort of arc in Endgame? "
Wait what? Cap, Stark, Widow and Hulk didn't have an arc?! |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | Cap, Widow and Hulk don't have arcs.
The main facet of Cap's personality is his immutability and his steadfast moral conviction. Cap doesn't change, he changes the world.
Widow's arc is pretty simplistic and basically spread out over all the Avengers movies. From an amoral killer willing to do anything to survive to a more rounded human who sacrifices herself for the benefit of others. It's basically a watered down version of Stark's arc.
And all of Hulk's character development happens off screen, which I thought was a massive copout...but then again, how long would the movie have been otherwise? |
Kalopsia
05.07.19 | ^ sitar nailed it.
yeah i was pretty miffed about they explain away 'professor hulk' in one line like "oh yeah nah i got it figured out, it's cool".
no
nononono you need more than that you fucks |
Relinquished
05.07.19 | hawkeye fuckin wanted to die dude lol. what ended up happening doesn't always reflect what the character wishes. he goes back to his family cuz that's what his friend would've wanted. |
Gyromania
05.07.19 | i feel like the movie was a little heavy on dialogue. the first 2/3 are mostly uneventful, whereas in infinity war i thought the pacing was perfect, and there were interesting things happening most of the time. the final 40 or so mins of endgame were damn good though. if i had to rate them, i'd give infinity war a 9 and endgame a low 8, prob around an 8.5 overall if i considered them one entity. |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | Cos Widow has a lot of red in her ledger too. And she makes the sacrifice because Hawkeye has a life outside of the Avengers to go back to. Her whole life IS the Avengers.
And I gotta say I'm glad that he got to stick around and play tag with Thanos' hellhounds or whatever. Nice bit of symmetry with his unofficial standalone movie. xD |
Gyromania
05.07.19 | yeah, i thought hawkeye for sure would be the one to die. this will probably help him grow as a character though. |
Relinquished
05.07.19 | def not deserving of it but... it fits in a way seeing as I've never known that hero to be written well anywhere |
Gyromania
05.07.19 | one thing that confused me about the soul stone: isn't the criteria to give away "that which you love most"? hawkeye loves his family most, but since they're gone i suppose you could make the argument that it's who you love most in the present, but even then, black widow loves the hulk most, right? i could be wrong about the wording, i'd have to go back and re-watch it. |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | I think you have to sacrifice something you truly love, not what you love the most. And it still wouldnt make sense because Widow technically sacrificed herself. |
Relinquished
05.07.19 | they made it "work" cuz he "dropped" her |
Gyromania
05.07.19 | yeah, so i'm thinking had she just jumped off, it would be a suicide, not something he forfeit willingly, thus making her death pointless? idk, i get they wanted to make it more theatrical, but i hate when it boils down to them just getting lucky it happened to work out. they should have a more measured response to these things. |
Relinquished
05.07.19 | oh well
comics, what can you do except suspend some cause & effect, common sense, and time & space |
Kalopsia
05.07.19 | "one thing that confused me about the soul stone: isn't the criteria to give away "that which you love most"? "
yeah, i'm pretty sure that however Red Skull phrased it was different between IW and Endgame. though it can likely be explained as a general sacrifice and not a specific "what you most love" for every single person who tries to get it.
i can imagine a lot of people went alone and had to turn around since they didn't have anything to sacrifice.
Red Skull: "sacrifice that which you love most"
Me: "but red skull i'm here alone... i only have my Nintendo switch with me"
Red Skull: "...…. and?"
Me: "...………………….fuck" |
Source
05.07.19 | Little does Hawkeye's wife know, he doesn't love her the most |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | Nat had dat gamma green fever tho. Hulk woulda smashed. No way could Hawkeye have competed with that and he knew it.
On a completely unrelated tangent, a picture of Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen at the MET Gala popped up on my newsfeed and WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO MARY KATE?! Holy shit she looks like she's aging in reverse Paul Rudd years. |
Source
05.07.19 | Used to watch their movies all the time when I was a kid ngl |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | Haha! I think I saw one once. I'm sure I've seen worse. But damn she looks like she could be Elizabeth Olsen's alcoholic chainsmoking great aunt. |
Relinquished
05.07.19 | stress is tough when you try to maintain your business empires |
Valkoor952
05.07.19 | "Cap, Widow and Hulk don't have arcs.
The main facet of Cap's personality is his immutability and his steadfast moral conviction. Cap doesn't change, he changes the world."
Completely wrong.
Cap's whole struggle was always that he was a man out of his time. He didn't know what to do with himself in the modern world, and he only saw himself as a soldier. The only thing he ever cared for and loved was gone (he sacrificed his love for Peggy for the greater good) and there was nothing else to do except to fight. It was the turmoil between his feelings of duty and the fact that he didn't have an understanding of reality outside of war, and the feelings of wanting to experience a peaceful, loving life. There is a whole theme in Endgame about learning to let go and move forward, especially in the support group scenes, but he never quite let go of his love for Peggy and his regret for a wasted life. That's why the scene where they go back in time and he sees Peggy through the blinders is so cathartic to him. He never really moved forward, and in the end he decided that he didn't want to fight anymore, but get a taste of the life that he always longed for. |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | That's pretty much my point. He's a man who fights because he has to and because there's nothing else for him. Given the opportunity to stop fighting he does. That's not an arc. |
Valkoor952
05.07.19 | He had that opportunity multiple times throughout the movies, but he avoided it. The point is that this is where he realized he doesn't want to be a part of it anymore.
And my point is that this represents an arc. |
Kalopsia
05.07.19 | eh... that's not really an arc though.. that's just something that happens to him |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | He fights because he has nothing to do once he stops fighting. The first opportunity he gets to stop fighting and move on, he does. |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | That's not an arc, that's a straight line. |
Valkoor952
05.07.19 | "that's just something that happens to him"
what lol
Everything that ever happens to any movie character is something that happens to him, i don't get your point |
Valkoor952
05.07.19 | @Sitar
If he hadn't seen Peggy when going back in time and seeing his portrait on her desk, would he have retired at the end of the movie? |
SitarHero
05.07.19 | Cap's whole thing is he's waiting for the right dance partner. He's literally the exact same person at the end that he was in First Avenger. |
Kalopsia
05.07.19 | yeah duh valkoor, you bozo |
Rowan5215
05.08.19 | yeah Hawkeye should died hunned percent, Nat's arc was never about self sacrifice and there were way more interesting things to do with her |
Jasdevi087
05.08.19 | Black Widow had stronger relationships with the other avengers though so sacrificing Hawkeye would've had less emotional impact |
Jasdevi087
05.08.19 | also did anyone else groan when multiverses were brought up in the new spiderman trailer? |
Rowan5215
05.08.19 | haven't seen it but sounds like they're riding off the Spider-verse hype which will be impossible for a live action movie to even touch but ok |
Rowan5215
05.08.19 | thing is tho Nat's death barely had any emotional impact cos Renner cannot serious act and the others were sad for one scene. at least Johansson would be able to sell her grief if you swapped them |
Veldin
05.08.19 | Darkseid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanos |
alamo
05.08.19 | avengers endlame |
SitarHero
05.08.19 | "also did anyone else groan when multiverses were brought up in the new spiderman trailer?"
I heard people talking about how that might just be a red herring. But then again, the multiverse is already a thing thanks to Spideyverse so...who knows? |
zaruyache
05.08.19 | I took it as a lie since we know Mysterio is supposed to be a villain. He's an illusionist so he just created a fake identity and set himself up to be the new Iron Man. |
SitarHero
05.08.19 | That seems likely. |
Kalopsia
05.09.19 | i swear i read from someone at marvel that they were done telling a linear storyline for now, which would makes sense with the Black Widow movie planned.
and a live-action spider-verse movie could be awesome if done right. it'd be a wet dream to have tobey, Garfield, and Holland all on the same screen. |
SitarHero
05.09.19 | Lol, fuck Garfield tho. |
Source
05.09.19 | The amazing spider man 2 is legit one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Even worse than spider man 3 |
Kalopsia
05.09.19 | TASM2 at least got the best costume. but yeah besides that it was shite |
Keyblade
05.09.19 | TASM1 isy fav Spidey movie tbh |
SitarHero
05.09.19 | It was a lame mumblecore remix of the original Spidey movie which, admittedly, hasn't aged well either. But at least the original had the classic "great power great responsibility" line which is possibly THE most memorable superhero movie line. There was absolutely nothing memorable about TASM1. |
Kalopsia
05.09.19 | ^very true. yeah TASM 1&2 really have no iconic... anythings in them.
the raimi films, for as hokey and corny as they are at least have that great power/responsibility line (also 2 with the train/doc ock fight, 3 with emo dance) |
Source
05.09.19 | Emma Stone is a qt and that's pretty much the only thing the Garfield movies have going for them imo |
SitarHero
05.09.19 | Best superhero movie quotes:
1. "With great power comes great responsibility." - Spider-Man (2002)
2. "Some men just want to watch the world burn." - The Dark Knight (2008)
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2319. "Um...so you wanna uh...just uh...or we could uh..." The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)
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929467. "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!" - BS (2016) |
Source
05.09.19 | "You think you can steal from us and just walk away?"
"Yeah"
My fav |
Keyblade
05.09.19 | idk TAS just felt more like Spiderman. as a film, Spiderman 2 is prob the best but I just enjoy the first TAS more
but yeah Garfield as Peter was so awks, should've just had the suit on for the while movie |
Source
05.09.19 | Are the newer ones any good? I haven't seen them |
SitarHero
05.10.19 | Homecoming was a fun movie. Nothing groundbreaking but definitely in the top half of the Marvel movies. |
Keyblade
05.10.19 | yea agreed. looking forward to the next one |
Kalopsia
05.10.19 | i'm low key excited for doctor strange 2. i just hope they get weird with it. |
Relinquished
05.10.19 | yea the trippy multi-directional building fight was awesome |
Divaman
05.20.19 | Finally saw Endgame. I wasn't disappointed. |
Divaman
05.20.19 | >Emma Stone is a qt and that's pretty much the only thing the Garfield movies have going for them imo
Dennis Leary was pretty fun in the first one, too. |
Dedes
05.20.19 | Yeah man it ruled. Hardly much into superhero films but it such a behemoth of a film and even got me a lil teary eyed. |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | I gotta say, I can't bring myself to care about the X-Men films without Stewart, Jackman and McKellan. I'm finding it pretty hard to care about the upcoming Spidey, and probably even less about anything else except GOTG. |
Source
05.20.19 | X2 and days of future past are the only good x men movies tbh |
Divaman
05.20.19 | Afraid the new X-Men is going to be a disaster. But I'll see it anyway. I'd like to see them concentrate the next phase of the MCU on doing the Fantastic Four, and getting them right. |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | X1 was decent and I think X3 gets a bad rap but at least it isn't boring. The only good part of the rebooted XMen series was Magneto hunting down Nazis. That shit was badass and I'd watch a whole trilogy about it. |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | Also, Logan is technically an X-Men movie. |
Source
05.20.19 | I liked the first one when I was 10, but it hasn't aged well. Logan is good I guess but it's just too depressing for me |
JayEnder
05.20.19 | Brie Larson getting obliterated by Thanos was probably my favorite part of the movie. |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | True. X-1 didn't age well. But Logan is a great movie. Depressing as fuck, but top class cinema regardless. That shit should have won an Oscar. |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | Marvel have written themselves into a corner with Larson. Capt Marvel is a walking flying deus ex machina. |
Source
05.20.19 | Fun fact, the guy who played toad in x men is darth maul |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | I thought everyone knew that. Ray Park almost became a star because if his stunt work. |
Source
05.20.19 | Younger viewers probably dont |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | Damn kids. Dude almost single handedly made Ep 1 watchable when I was a kid |
Source
05.20.19 | The most recent thing I saw him in was Heroes. But that was almost a decade ago now |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | He played snake eyes in those awful GI Joe movies |
Source
05.20.19 | Haha really? |
Jasdevi087
05.20.19 | "Brie Larson getting obliterated by Thanos was probably my favorite part of the movie."
Metalcore 16%
Death Metal 15%
Hardcore 12%
Hip-Hop 12%
Post-Hardcore 11%
Emo 11%
Alternative Rock 10%
Progressive Metal 10%
I promise I'm not trying to say anything, honestly |
SitarHero
05.20.19 | Dafuq? |
Dedes
05.20.19 | What is that even supposed to mean |
kalkwiese
05.20.19 | 10% prog isn't enough lel |
alamo
05.20.19 | hhahahhHAHHhajjjjj |
Source
05.20.19 | Yeah i dont get it either tbh |
Jasdevi087
05.21.19 | just got done sayin I ain't trying to say anything, for real i promise i'm not |
Source
05.21.19 | I wondered |
Meridiu5
05.21.19 | Brie larson is about as interesting as getting stuck in traffic |
Source
05.21.19 | She's the hot kind of uninteresting |
SitarHero
05.21.19 | She's a pretty face with zero charisma. Which is funny cos she's "fighting" for roles that involve not just being a pretty face and hoo boy.
Gal Gadot on the other hand... |
Source
05.21.19 | I like brie more tbh |
Storm In A Teacup
05.21.19 | Brie's got a really cute face and her boobs are really nice too with some above average nipples too. |
Source
05.21.19 | yeah what storm said |
Jasdevi087
05.21.19 | just pretend i posted all y'all piecharts jfc |