leatherrebel696: Hip hop has always sucked

leatherrebel696 04.27.18	I tried to be objective as possible so don't get me started
Marehelm 04.27.18	Okay
Avagantamos 04.27.18	skrrrrt!!
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	yeah i mean this is undeniable
NorwichScene 04.27.18	It was good around 1997-1999
Beautiful 04.27.18	get real
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	"Hip hop and electronic music in general " for someone that doesnt like hip hop at least he understands its a subgenre of electronic music. youd be surprised how many people dont know that
MeatSalad 04.27.18	I wonder what will be next for this musical pleb's attempt at a hot take
G0atC0re 04.27.18	I agree
DoofusWainwright 04.27.18	Intriguing troll account I must say
foxblood 04.27.18	I would like to see anyone actually deny this with a sound argument, he's right you know. modern hip-hop is an embarrassment to all mankind. it dominates the industry because it's the easiest to make, requires the least amount of skill, and has the lowest threshold of quality in order to be acceptable. why paint with oils on canvas when doodling with crayons on the children's menu pays better and is more popular?
Deathconscious 04.27.18
Davil667 04.27.18	"it dominates the industry because it's the easiest to make, requires the least amount of skill, and has the lowest threshold of quality in order to be acceptable." Most BS mainstream music out there requires ZERO skills from the "artists" apart from production skills on a very moderate level I'd say. And I wouldn't say it dominates the industry considering the huge output in general. "Hip hop and electronic music in general are the worst thing to happen to music. ever." Lol there is no objective reply to that quite ignorant statement I guess apart from, well, that's just.... your opinion man.
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	why not drop us a platinum single if its easy as playing with crayons foxblood
InFlamesWeThrash666 04.27.18	I can agree that trap is the worst thing that happened to music but old school hip hop is cool tbh
Zeuzo 04.27.18	If you have no talent and want to make music- be a rapper
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	@foxblood: I'm sure we all know this is a troll account BUT at no point did he say 'modern' or 'popular' he's implying that ALL hip-hop takes virtually no skill, which is obviously rubbish, even to someone like me who knows nothing about the genre.
Davil667 04.27.18	"BUT at no point did he say 'modern' or 'popular' he's implying that ALL hip-hop takes virtually no skill, which is obviously rubbish" Yeah, that's absolutely the point here.
MyShadow 04.27.18	this list is quality bait because its drawing out all the actual idiots
Zeuzo 04.27.18	Hh has always been a trash genre but atleast artists needed passion, talent and skill to achieve something, now all you need to make it is enough IQ to breathe and a pc. People who say todays hh is good have brain damage
Boris K. 04.27.18	It's true though. Not to mention that pop music nowadays is becoming more and more infested with those horrible rap features.
cagedbutterfly 04.27.18	Just because something requires less skill to make, doesn't make it suck. I agree alot of modern hip hop artist lack creativity and all seem to revolve around the same theme (money,cars, etc.) But there's tons of good hip hop music out there. Kendrick Lamar for example. He incorporates jazz music, rock and a whole bunch of different genres in his music, rather than just "sampling" other artists as you mentioned. I recommend you check him out.
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	"this list is quality bait because its drawing out all the actual idiots" welcome to the party
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	Dude this is sputnik not a 'LET'S ARGUE' twitter thread
foxblood 04.27.18	playing real instruments in any genre will always be harder and more respectful. I don't think all hip-hop takes no skill, but even at the highest skill level ever achieved it can't compare to any real musicians. @SpaceMan in order to make a viral popular 'platinum' single I would have to make something more stupid than i'm ever really willing to make, since it seems like these days the more stupid the rap is the more attention it gets. I could take the time to make something good, that's harder but probably also wouldn't be 'platinum'. as a whole hip-hop is bad and has always been that way. I just think the modern stuff is getting worse and worse. I also def don't agree about electronic.
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	That phenomenon isn't exclusive to hip-hop, sometimes a 'gimmicky' song is popular because it attracts attention from the masses more readily, it's memorable & usually throwaway. Why this has anything to do with the genre of hip-hop is beyond me? It's more to do with modern pop music culture as a whole.
Davil667 04.27.18	Every genre can yield some gems, it's just that the huge mainstream output in general bears no relation to the small margin of quality stuff out there. I think we can all agree that real talent is very hard to find these days...
hal1ax 04.27.18	Lol foxblood why don’t you lower your towering standards a few notches for us and show us how easy it is to churn out this mindless platinum beat you so readily speak about. Like you must be just fucking brimming with musical talent.
foxblood 04.27.18	"he's implying that ALL hip-hop takes virtually no skill" he didn't say virtually no skill at all, you're implying that. he's basically just saying the skill needed isn't very impressive and it's surprising that it has taken over.
Davil667 04.27.18	"Why this has anything to do with the genre of hip-hop is beyond me? It's more to do with modern pop music culture as a whole." ^ My thoughts exactly... This is certainly not only a matter of hip-hop but applies to quite a lot genres to a certain extent.
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	@hal1 yeah especially if he has the big crayola box that the street bois cant afford
hal1ax 04.27.18	Foxblood you realize this guy is trolling ? Whereas you are just a dead-serious pompous fucking dildo
Zeuzo 04.27.18	„playing real instruments in any genre will always be harder and more respectful. I don't think all hip-hop takes no skill, but even at the highest skill level ever achieved it can't compare to any real musicians.” [2]
unclereich 04.27.18	Kanye west>
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	real musicians amirite
foxblood 04.27.18	I know he's obvs trolling but it is still a real problem in the music industry and a relevant topic. calm down dude. I'm not saying I could make a platinum beat in 3 seconds, just saying most other music is harder to make. and the kind of stuff that seems to get popular isn't what I'm into so I wouldn't want to do that anyways.
foxblood 04.27.18	That phenomenon isn't exclusive to hip-hop, sometimes a 'gimmicky' song is popular because it attracts attention from the masses more readily, it's memorable & usually throwaway. this is true, but I find it to be especially predominant in hip-hop and metal. it of course exists in any genre
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	Writing a timeless song/album will always be the ultimate demonstration of 'skill' in music
hansoloshotfirst 04.27.18	lol. come on folks it doesn't get much dumber than this debate.
deathschool 04.27.18	I play guitar and so I am better than you. What's the deal with SOME black people? Cops are just people trying to do their job.
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	According to a couple of people in this thread it takes more 'skill' to attend your local open mic & play a shoddy rendition of Wonderwall, than it does to create DJ Shadow's Endtroducing (as that was made up entirely of samples). Playing real instruments >
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BAG 04.27.18	lmao
AlexKzillion 04.27.18	"I would like to see anyone actually deny this with a sound argument, he's right you know. modern hip-hop is an embarrassment to all mankind. it dominates the industry because it's the easiest to make, requires the least amount of skill, and has the lowest threshold of quality in order to be acceptable. why paint with oils on canvas when doodling with crayons on the children's menu pays better and is more popular? If you have no talent and want to make music- be a rapper Hh has always been a trash genre but atleast artists needed passion, talent and skill to achieve something, now all you need to make it is enough IQ to breathe and a pc. People who say todays hh is good have brain damage It's true though. Not to mention that pop music nowadays is becoming more and more infested with those horrible rap features. playing real instruments in any genre will always be harder and more respectful. I don't think all hip-hop takes no skill, but even at the highest skill level ever achieved it can't compare to any real musicians. @SpaceMan in order to make a viral popular 'platinum' single I would have to make something more stupid than i'm ever really willing to make, since it seems like these days the more stupid the rap is the more attention it gets. I could take the time to make something good, that's harder but probably also wouldn't be 'platinum'. as a whole hip-hop is bad and has always been that way. I just think the modern stuff is getting worse and worse. I also def don't agree about electronic. I know he's obvs trolling but it is still a real problem in the music industry and a relevant topic. calm down dude. I'm not saying I could make a platinum beat in 3 seconds, just saying most other music is harder to make. and the kind of stuff that seems to get popular isn't what I'm into so I wouldn't want to do that anyways." [1000000000000000]
AlexKzillion 04.27.18	Trvths.
theBoneyKing 04.27.18	Correct take, rap is crap
AlexKzillion 04.27.18	Lil Pump aint got shit on Elvis Mumbling over some computerized beats with fucking AUTOTUNE will never be as skillful or as passionate as yelping over some open guitar chords!
Jasdevi087 04.27.18	lil pump and Elvis make the exact same music
DominionMM1 04.27.18	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ
jagride 04.27.18	harder and more respectful
AlexKzillion 04.27.18	A wop dam do dop a wop bam boo
Keyblade 04.27.18	yo wtf is this thread
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	I'm regretting my attempt at trying to come up with a couple of somewhat logical counter-arguments, seems wasted here.
GUNGFUHAMMERFIST 04.27.18	run dmc was cool
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	What the chuff is porn pop?
AlexKzillion 04.27.18	Kendrick Lamar
AlexKzillion 04.27.18	omg
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	"for someone that doesnt like hip hop at least he understands its a subgenre of electronic music. youd be surprised how many people dont know that" lmaooooooo
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	also porn pop lmao aiwaz you sexy demon
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	What's Madonna... Porn pop that hasn't aged well?
rabidfish 04.27.18	'dominating the industry for decades' ok, obvious troll, moving along...
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	milf (gilf?) porn pop
bloc 04.27.18	Lol porn pop, that's the perfect description for it.
DoofusWainwright 04.27.18	Abba were the originators of porn pop - blond, from sweden, and they suck balls
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	mamma mia
Beautiful 04.27.18	Only reason aiwiz doesn't like porn pop is because it reminds him there are women out there having a lot of sex he's not a part of and that makes them "whores"
Typhoon24 04.27.18	just saw the title and wanted to drop my "fuck you you dont know what you're talking about" if you were just kidding my b
SharkTooth 04.27.18	Nice bait
Prancer 04.27.18	I would argue that sampling is an artform and is something that has a degree of mastery to it, just like learning an instrument. Yes, most mainstream hiphop has always been simple because that is what's accessible. But if you're arguing simple & accessible = bad then would it not be fair to say rock has always sucked because a band like The Beatles wrote simply structured compositions? Also your opinion on lyricism has no basis. Just saying that rapping about cars, money and bitches doesn't imply that that is a bad thing, and saying every rappers' lyrics consist of these topics just shows that you haven't listened to much hiphop. I guess this is a troll account though based on your avatar and 0 ratings, but I thought I'd give my 2 cents.
Casavir 04.27.18	"But if you're arguing simple & accessible = bad then would it not be fair to say rock has always sucked because a band like The Beatles wrote simply structured compositions?" What people like to forget is that they were pretty mediocre for a while before they started putting out material that was worth remembering. Hell, they released some pretty mediocre albums even during their later years, sometimes featuring material that was abysmal.
leatherrebel696 04.27.18	Seriously why do we have to put the Beatles on a pedestal? Also I'm not trolling I'm just speaking my mind here
Ignimbrite 04.27.18	obvious bait
gryndstone 04.27.18	you make a compelling argument
Toad 04.27.18	opinions! HA
EyesWideShut 04.27.18	Make Em Say Ugh UGGHHHH !!! Nana Nananaa
unclereich 04.27.18	I cant name an objectively perfect hip hop album fuck
unclereich 04.27.18	There's no wish you were here of hip hop =/
Casavir 04.27.18	Enter the 36 Chambers? Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...? Illmatic? Cypress Hill? The Low End Theory? Liquid Swords?
guitarded_chuck 04.27.18	for the love of sweet fuck do not generalize the entirety of the genre of hip hop based on perhaps the worst hh album ive ever heard in lil pump
BAG 04.27.18	"I cant name an objectively perfect hip hop album fuck" take that ugly mane picture out of your profile then pussy
guitarded_chuck 04.27.18	tfw you immediately realize you srsly replied to a troll list after you smash that submit icon
guitarded_chuck 04.27.18	"I cant name an objectively perfect hip hop album fuck" illmatic and liquid swords prob the only two for me, even liquid swords has a couple half skippable songs tho
Zeuzo 04.27.18	Illmatic is the closest one to being perfect Anyway, this genre was, is and always be garbage
BurnMyThighs 04.27.18	speaking of garbage can you make another Radiohead list? think you forgot one
BenThatsMyJamin 04.27.18	lol
Zeuzo 04.27.18	I might make one for most garbage users, booked u a place
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	hip hop as a genre > radiohead as a band
Deathconscious 04.27.18	Troll or not, there are actually people who think that way.
Demon of the Fall 04.27.18	@Adolf: yeah some of them have reared their ugly head right here in this thread
unclereich 04.27.18	Tfw> there are no perfect hip hop albums
JoeTex 04.27.18	"Illmatic is the closest one to being perfect" and Ready to Die
Rowhaus 04.27.18	excellent list great job
Beautiful 04.27.18	Old school hip hop is up there with prog metal for worst sub genre ever
JoeTex 04.27.18	rakim tho
TheSpaceMan 04.27.18	Indie folk
Sharkattack 04.27.18	I guess this guy never listened to U.T.F.O.
Ryus 04.27.18	"0/10 bait try again" good bait actually since a lot of people took it lol
Davil667 04.27.18	Haha, still not entirely convinced this is a bait tbh. And if a bait triggers an actual discussion I don't mind being trolled...
hal1ax 04.27.18	Guy with 12 fucking Radiohead 5s calling the entirety of hip hop bad
Hawks 04.27.18	Shit list yeah.
Deathconscious 04.27.18	metal actually has FEELING and takes SKILL to make. fuck all this stupid pop and hip hop bullshit.
Drifter 04.27.18	"The Beatles - "We're the most overrated band of all time" Radiohead - "hold my beer"" Lmao accurate
Greyvy 04.27.18	imagine listening to hip hop in 2018
Deathconscious 04.27.18	is that twopack
MO 04.28.18	lol looks at topic 2 short paragraphs written oooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkk
MarsKid 04.28.18	I think mainstream as a whole has low-quality output. Hip-hop/electronic just happens to be what is trending the most, but it's not the sole genre that can shoulder the blame. To say the whole classification is devoid of any value is ultimately subjective. I know that I personally don't see much in hip-hop or rap--I've tried, the stuff that clicks for me is few and far between--but it's simply not for me by the end of the day. Works for some, not others. I will say that ambient music is one genre that I can't get behind. It really does just come out as uniform, unengaging background noise. Yeah, that's most likely the intent of ambient 9/10 times, but that doesn't make it any better.
Deathconscious 04.28.18	i dont like a lot of straight ambient, but i get totally lost in some of the stuff i do like. puts me in a trance. Shrine - Somnia especially. i think the genre is usually better when mixed with influences from more engaging genres though.
MarsKid 04.28.18	@Adolf yeah, when combined/mixed in with other genres it can be very effective. But a lot of what I've heard never goes anywhere, just aimlessly drifts. Ambiance to me can involve a lot more elements than what is typically incorporated.
Deathconscious 04.28.18	have you heard A Winged Victory for the Sullen - s/t? that album is fucking gorgeous, mixes ambient with neoclassical.
MarsKid 04.28.18	I'd be willing to try it, probably. Always up to attempts. I just don't want the usual meandering beeps and bloops and wooshes. I like something with emotional impact, a bit of a bite to it, and generally something that goes somewhere.
hal1ax 04.28.18	I treat ambient as sort of a supplement to just meditative periods. Like to put them on and just lie down and think. But ya if you’re looking for stimulative music it’s definitely not going to be effective.
MarsKid 04.28.18	It doesn't necessarily have to stimulate me heavily, but when it's so similar to a passable breeze, I'd rather just go outside and feel the breeze there.
TheSpaceMan 04.28.18	i listen to ambient when i go hard at the gym
hal1ax 04.28.18	Ya that’s fair @mars
MarsKid 04.28.18	I mean, list is harsh, but nothing wrong with respectful discussion. I've learned to accept hip-hop ain't for me, that's what it ultimately boils down to. I keep trying to get into it, but the classics typically bore me.
hal1ax 04.28.18	Lol I’m chillin. Just at work slapping my dick against the keyboard
hal1ax 04.28.18	Too many Japanese fetishes out there. Daddy’s never bored
SharkTooth 04.28.18	"Seriously why do we have to put the Beatles on a pedestal? Also I'm not trolling I'm just speaking my mind here" The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved. In a sense, the Beatles are emblematic of the status of rock criticism as a whole: too much attention paid to commercial phenomena (be it grunge or U2) and too little to the merits of real musicians. If somebody composes the most divine music but no major label picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of rock critics will ignore him. If a major label picks up a musician who is as stereotyped as can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average critic will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of rock criticism: rock critics are basically publicists working for major labels, distributors and record stores. They simply highlight what product the music business wants to make money from.
leatherrebel696 04.28.18	^totally agree!
Casavir 04.28.18	@SharkTooth This is largely signified by the fact that bands like The Moody Blues, The Mothers of Invention, Procol Harum, The Who, Cream, Captain Beefheart, etc. were already releasing well-developed and musically adventurous releases at the very beginning of their discographies while The Beatles were only just starting to get better after 5 or 6 LPs.
Beautiful 04.28.18	the beatles are uncool
BenThatsMyJamin 11.09.20	If you have no talent and want to make music- be a rapper Hh has always been a trash genre but atleast artists needed passion, talent and skill to achieve something, now all you need to make it is enough IQ to breathe and a pc. People who say todays hh is good have brain damage
Colton 11.09.20	Fuck
rabidfish 11.09.20	so right, keep preaching. Wake up, guys.
rellik009 11.09.20	fuck this got bumped but at the same time it's a goldmine what do we do
sixdegrees 11.09.20	music is like candy....
rellik009 11.09.20	maybe
TheAntichrist 11.09.20	as long as cuntry exists, hip hop will never be the worst genre. hell there's a lot of good hip hop lol
Colton 11.09.20	At least it’s a real genre and not some made up internet bs like “post punk” or “trip hop”
theBoneyKing 11.09.20	where's the lie tbqh
JeremiahBullfrog 11.09.20	Imagine thinking this though
Valzentia 11.09.20	"People who say todays hh is good have brain damage" do u even underground bro
Colton 11.09.20	or "americana"
MillionDead 11.09.20	There's a lot of fantastic country too. Mostly older, roots stuff though. Also Colt, post punk and trip hop both precede the internet. Or maybe you were just being ironic lol
Ryus 11.09.20	hank williams >>>>
MillionDead 11.09.20	Townes van Zandt >>>>>>>>>>>
evilford 11.09.20	This might be THE dumbest thread/list I've ever seen in my life. Quite an accomplishment, bravo
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Rolling Girl 11.09.20	How the fuck did this exist in 2018?????
deathschool 11.09.20	Fuck yeah. I’m glad someone finally said it! Rap, more like cRap.
ArsMoriendi 11.09.20	OHHH this is what Ben was referencing
BenThatsMyJamin 11.09.20	Enjoy lol
Cygnatti 11.09.20	"for someone that doesnt like hip hop at least he understands its a subgenre of electronic music." I disagree, actually. According to some, there are (or were) 4 main elements of hip hop: DJ'ing (beats), MC'ing (rapping), b-boying (breakdancing, other), and graffiti. Obviously, you don't need to do all 4 of them to make hip hop. The vast majority of beats are electronic-based, yes, but not all of them. Freestyle rap, battle rap, any rap without beats, and beatbox rapping or some other forms are all hip hop but not electronic.
unclereich 11.09.20	dr dre heard aphex twin and immediately started nwa
davezillaMP3 11.09.20	ok boomer
Egarran 11.09.20	I like a few Korean rappers
betlwedl 11.09.20	lmao imagine thinking this in 2020 also why did this random 2 year old dead thread get bumped "even the best artists" links a lil pump album lol
sixdegrees 11.09.20
GhandhiLion 11.09.20	Dangerously based, leatherrebel666
Lord(e)Po)))ts 11.09.20	Ghandhi who is a worse user between you and asdfghjlp1234 and why is it both
GhandhiLion 11.09.20	what's asdfghjlp1234?
GhandhiLion 11.10.20	"First of all, there never was anything groundbreaking about hip hop to begin with." lmao
ArsMoriendi 11.10.20	This guy https://www.sputnikmusic.com/user/Asdfp277
GhandhiLion 11.10.20	" where every shitty song on the radio has that annoying trap beat." Ok, this part is genuinely based. It's not entirely true though.
TheSpaceMan 11.10.20	asdfghjlp1234 at least fixes all the bad album art i upload
HalfManHalfAmazing 11.10.20	why would you bump this. this is clearly a cry for attention. lol.
HalfManHalfAmazing 11.10.20	For people who genuinely believe this, I don't care how little musicianship ability your average rapper possesses. What rappers have done to lyricism is absolutely incredible. The story-telling. The seamless incorporation of clever wordplay, allegory, metaphors, and similes. The sheer skill involved in multi-syllabic rhyming alone is something worthy of respect. Finding and lifting a beautiful melody from an obscure record and then finetuning it in a way that complements the rapper's vocals also takes skill. Which isn't to say all or even most hip hop production is sample dependent. Don't make the mistake of correlating complexity and high caliber musicianship with classic, timeless music. A lot of complex, adept music is overwrought pretentious garbage.
DominionMM1 11.10.20	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-riL5A4eiWQ
Masochist 11.10.20	This was so clearly a bait thread, how did it get almost 200 comments? How did it get bumped?
MillionDead 11.10.20	You’re completely right, Half!
Sinternet 11.10.20	lil pump fucked yo bitch
Egarran 11.10.20	Nice pasta halfman
BenThatsMyJamin 11.10.20	Eg stop crying for attention
Egarran 11.10.20	But it's fun. It's like throwing a firecracker into a chimp enclosure. People get all agitated.
Colton 11.10.20	I know it’s not what you meant but that wording is far from optimal lol
JeetJeet 11.10.20	Egarran thinks all black people are chimps. Ban him.
LeddSledd 11.10.20	canceling Egarran on Twitter rn #negarran
PortraitsOfDecay 11.10.20	Poor bait
Egarran 11.10.20	Woah that sure made the racists come out. I feel like I'm Trump and just blew a dog whistle.