ianblxdsoe: so the fcc repealed net neutrality....

ianblxdsoe 12.14.17	discuss i guess
Drifter 12.14.17	im but a child. I do not know
Papa Universe 12.14.17	hahahahahahahahahah, hilarious... these are tears of laughter. really.. (i actually don't care, i'm not even from there)
Dedes 12.14.17	It still effects you Universe. Any site coming from the U.S might cost you money now.
hal1ax 12.14.17	"do you feel like america is about to go into one of the biggest political revolutions in a while?" lol stahp
Egarran 12.14.17	I think you're gonna bite the pillow and take it.
Dedes 12.14.17	That is a point a lot of people seem to not understand.
Papa Universe 12.14.17	"Any site coming from the U.S might cost you money now." oh, for fuck's sake
Papa Universe 12.14.17	Ferwerda, 'reroute the mainframe to external outsource' and move to UK
Dedes 12.14.17	Is that sarcasm or an exclamation?
Dedes 12.14.17	What are you saying even man
Papa Universe 12.14.17	it's an exclaiming sarcasm
sugarcubes 12.14.17	embarrassing.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	any american that didnt vote cant complain sry
Papa Universe 12.14.17	^ see? now, that was sarcasm
Dedes 12.14.17	I mean excluding those who legally are not old enough I suppose
Dedes 12.14.17	I don't think that was sarcasm lol
DinosaurJones 12.14.17	5 people got to make the decision for the entire US population. Hooray for democracy!
Papa Universe 12.14.17	wasn't it only the FCC that could vote on that and not the folk?
Dedes 12.14.17	Yeah it was a decision by the FCC
Dedes 12.14.17	I think Chuck was earlier referring to those who didn't vote during elections for pres and senate.
Egarran 12.14.17	Focus on the positive, dudes. If this goes through the courts, websites will have to be better and faster. You'll WANT to pay money to surf actual quality sites instead of looks around shitposting on a forum that was last updated in 1998.
Kalopsia 12.14.17	soon we'll have microtransactions on sputnik to access reviews and be able to comment on threads
Papa Universe 12.14.17	"I think Chuck was earlier referring to those who didn't vote during elections for pres and senate." weeellllll,... he didn't make that very clear
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	it was obvious
Papa Universe 12.14.17	Kalopsia: but hey, maybe the staff will finally get paid
Deathconscious 12.14.17	Just goes to show that theyre getting more and more brazen, and will continue with something regardless of massive public opposition.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	theres already massive opposition they dont give a fuck
Dedes 12.14.17	They just OWNED us libcucks man
RadicalEd 12.14.17	Congratz to all the trumples. Another YUGE win.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	The battle for Net Neutrality is over! The companies that spent hundreds of millions shilling to trick the public into supporting their agenda have LOST! Just like magic all the hysteria will disappear. (top rated thread on the donald. ~ 3000 upvotes. Where do they find these people)
Azertherion 12.14.17	Well that sucks for you guys; I guess Comcast isn't getting more popular anytime soon ! Real talk thought, the fact that something that stupid can happen still sounds incredible to my ears. If such law project would be even mentionned in EU the backlash would be nuts.
Egarran 12.14.17	That's what makes it so appealing.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	americas democracy is crumbling yeah but again its hard to feel bad when theres so much apathy
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Apathy is born of contentment.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	Real talk thought, the fact that something that stupid can happen still sounds incredible to my ears. If such law project would be even mentionned in EU the backlash would be nuts. The thing is, Europe is literally the last bastion of net neutrality now. Most South and Pan-American states don't have it, Russia, China, India and the arabic states certainly don't have it. I don't know about Japan and South Korea but most states in the world don't have a free and open net. It's pretty terrifying that the US just collapsed on this issue.
Calc 12.14.17	"If such law project would be even mentionned in EU the backlash would be nuts." and then it'd be passed just like here.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	The EU is literally the biggest film actors guild out there aside the U.N.
Azertherion 12.14.17	No one wins anything in losing Net Neutrality, the only exception being ISPs. 99% of people are losing in this trade, still it happens. Honestly I can't believe it.
WatchItExplode 12.14.17	"but again its hard to feel bad when theres so much apathy" quoted for truth and meta-irony
RadicalEd 12.14.17	"and then it'd be passed just like here." Nah. This law would never pass in the EU. There is a totally different level of distrust towards big companies and monopolies in Europe. Also we don't have those idiotic liberatarians with their paranoia of anything that is "state regulated"
RadicalEd 12.14.17	The same way our crazy hate speech regulations on google.de would never fly in the US, net neutrality in germany is untouchable.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Yeah fuck those retarded American hicks with their highest demographics-adjusted GDP per capita. What a bunch of retards.
Azertherion 12.14.17	" and then it'd be passed just like here." No it won't, for several reasons. The EU parliament adopted Net Neutrality unilateraly, and every single country has specific laws to ensure that the network is equally accessible. No country can go against it unless the notion is aborted, which will require several countries standing up against it, which I don't see happening. At all.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	net neutrality is kind of a libertarian idea though wouldnt you say it's kind of a weird one where yeah it's government protection but it's government protection of a liberty
RadicalEd 12.14.17	The "libertarian argument" against net neutrality is nothing if not retarded. @ chuck. Yeah but the big bad government has to ENFORCE neutrality. And that is evil. (Or so goes the libartarian argument I've read) I agree with having as little regulations as possible and I think their are probably alot of somewhat sober libartarian leaning people out there who are for net neutrality.
Azertherion 12.14.17	Hell, we even have state-subventionned institutions that ensure that the net neutrality is respected. In France it's the "Quadrature du Net".
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	"Yeah fuck those retarded American hicks with their highest demographics-adjusted GDP per capita. " almost positive thats not a fact (depending on what is meant by "demographics-adjusted") if you're born in the UAE the government just gives you money, im sure the same for other oil rich countries
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Were it not for utility monopolies it'd make perfect sense. And utility monopolies came from the state. So...
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Any oil rich nation with a population the size of an American city is excluded by that term yeah. I don't think you can glean anything from a few people being wealthy atop a pool of oil.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	No i'd wouldn't make perfect sense, it would just mess up a perfectly fine internet.
rufinthefury 12.14.17	ayo fuck Ajit Pai more like suck my Painis
RadicalEd 12.14.17	Also utility monopolies on things like electricity are a good thing or at least a necessary evil so.... even if it were to make sense without them, you're never getting rid of them (and you shouldn't want to)
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	It'd be like any other good or service.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	You're talking about things that fall under the spectrum of natural monopolies (utilities, roads, etc.) which is a point of contention for many libertarians. There isn't unanimous sentiment on regulatory matters involving them.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	E.g. toll roads.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	Which would be bad. Some things (electricity, housing, water and I'd argue internet access) need to be available for every member of the society. edit: Okay so explain the difference between utility monopoly and natural monopoly to me pls.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	im not sold on utility monopolies being inherently good tbh although im willing to learn more and hear arguments in favor of them
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	(electricity, housing, water and I'd argue internet access) One of these things is not like the others...
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	A utility like electricity is often considered a natural monopoly because of the infrastructure. There is an alternative argument, of course. https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly
Sinternet 12.14.17	nationalise fucking everything
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	hey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everything
RadicalEd 12.14.17	ok so then I did just not understand what you meant by your contention. I thought you were making a distinction between natural and utility monopoly. But utilites like electricity are considered natural monopolies. So I'm guessing your contention is that "Internet" is not a natural monopoly. To which I'd say: Yes it is. Building and Mainting the internet has been/is very costly, it would probably never gotten of the ground if not for massive state R&D funding during the cold war.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	Sputnik, the only place were libertarians and communists are still hanging out together on the interwebs. (But don't worry, that's gonna cost 10 $ a month in the US very soon)
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	the only place where if youre a moderate you get fucking d0xx3d
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	i hope it costs money to go on sput it would filter out all the fucks (here i feel like i need to say im joking)
Sinternet 12.14.17	https://i.redd.it/wh75hilyrtgy.jpg
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	hey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everythinghey sinternet did you know at least 7 million people died of starvation in the USSR when they nationalized everything
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Read the link, I'm saying that the truth of the naturalistic monopoly premise is disputed. But no, I was definitely referring to housing. Housing is nowhere even remotely close to being a naturalistic monopoly and I'd never even heard someone try to argue that it is in any way.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	Also there is a massive public interest in everyone having easy. relatively fast and relatively cheap access to the internet because it provides a chance at social mobility. You can learn a lot on the internet (also gives you the chance to partake in many elements of the "Zeitgeist). What is the market incentive for a company to lay decent cables to some bum fuck town in minnesota with 2800 inhabitants? Are we just telling those people they should leave if they want internet?
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Lol hey Sint if capitalism took over during the industrial revolution and the population grew x number of billions since that time what's capitalism's net death toll?
hal1ax 12.14.17	were there exploitative cost issues with using websites before net neutrality was implemented? i don't remember there being any. why would sites just all of a sudden cost a bunch of money? also all of the big sites circumvent ISP's by having enough money to built infrastructure to connect directly to IXP's, so this doesn't affect google, facebook, etc.
Sinternet 12.14.17	'the population went up that means no one died lol'
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	hey sinternet did you know 80 million people died in WW2 when germany nationalized everything
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	I leave speculation on cost matters to others cause I'm admittedly nowhere near tech savvy enough to know the specifics regarding net neutrality. I'm just arguing that without knowing them it's hard to say either way. However, it'll be interesting to see what comes of this for theory proving if nothing else.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	"the population went up that means no one died lol" How many were saved?
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	hey sinternet did you know that nationalized north korea has openly threatened to launch nuclear weapons at north america and is near capable of doing so
RadicalEd 12.14.17	"Read the link, I'm saying that the truth of the naturalistic monopoly premise is disputed." I'm going to read it, but I'm very skeptical that one renegade scholar from the austrain school of econ is going to convince me, when natural monopolies seem to be generally very accpeted. "But no, I was definitely referring to housing. Housing is nowhere even remotely close to being a naturalistic monopoly and I'd never even heard someone try to argue that it is in any way." I was talking about regulations on rents and stuff, but granted housing doesn't belong in that list, didn't really think that through.
Sinternet 12.14.17	yes, the cause of WW2 was squints Germany nationalising industries
Sinternet 12.14.17	'How many were saved?' i mean i'd say anything is probably an improvement over feudalism, but how many were exploited amnd how many countries had to be colonised with a few odd genocides to sustain such a system, while also desrtroying rural business leading to mass migration to cities causing massive disease outbreaks and awful living conditions
RadicalEd 12.14.17	"yes, the cause of WW2 was squints Germany nationalising industries" Ahh sint, don't pretend that you don't know that national-SOCIALISM was eerily close to sovjet style communism.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	and how many workers are going to try hard when they are zero incentive to do so it doesnt fucking work and its antiquated and never going to happen in modern countries again including yours or mine, let it go, find a cause that actually works communism kills innovation, kills progress, disrupts the natural flow of goods including potentially causing famine, and the power becomes corrupted ONE HUNDRED PERECENT OF THE TIME IN REAL WORLD EXAMPLES THEREOF
Snake. 12.14.17	ahhh yes time to use my 20k comment on my reaction to net neutrality being repealed: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Billions of people living in standards exponentially beyond anything thought imaginable merely a few centuries ago. Total. Failure.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	The closest we can get to a controlled experiment is East versus West Germany and North versus South Korea. They both ended the same way.
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	mmm what has free market democratic societies provided us post ww2 : everything what did the USSR provide us : tetris and mass global nuclear armament
RadicalEd 12.14.17	I also ~l o v e~ capitalism. Can we not do the "is communism really that bad?!" discussion?
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	tetris is hella tite ngl
hal1ax 12.14.17	haha
RadicalEd 12.14.17	dude i recentely stumbled over the tetris world championship. shit is crazy.
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	They also gave us steroid women.
Trebor. 12.14.17	You must upgrade to SPUTNIKMUSIC GOLD to view this comment by esteemed staff reviewer TREBOR
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Go away.
sixdegrees 12.14.17	I think im gonna prioritize my RYM fee over paying for this site, sorry guys
guitarded_chuck 12.14.17	DEY GIF STRONG WOMAN, NO CHEAT, ALL NATURAL speaking of how shitty russia is and steroids yall go watch that doc "icarus"
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	Nah, but I watched Bigger, Stronger, Faster or whatever it was called a few years ago.
Papa Universe 12.14.17	"Ahh sint, don't pretend that you don't know that national-SOCIALISM was eerily close to sovjet style communism." RadicalEd living up to his name. But seriously, it was. At some point these extreme views close the opinional circle and become pretty much identical.
RadicalEd 12.14.17	chuck i just watched that yesterday. Fucking crazy.
sixdegrees 12.14.17	horseshoe theory lives
Papa Universe 12.14.17	six degrees turns three-sixty degrees
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.14.17	I only know user borealice
hal1ax 12.14.17	i can't wait for banksy's subversive street art commentary on this
RogueNine 12.14.17	I'm very curious to see how this all turns out. Maybe not much will come of it and the freak-outs are overblown, Idk. You're right though, I had to take Libertarians less seriously after this one. "But gubment!! Bad bad!!1!1!"
DikkoZinner 12.14.17	netflix stock plummets
unclereich 12.14.17	Yikes everything will be ok if not we may just have to go outside and do activities more often
grannypantys 12.14.17	Ayyyy Icarus was a sweet doc. Russia and China shouldn't be allowed in the olympics no mo. "You must upgrade to SPUTNIKMUSIC GOLD to view this comment by esteemed staff reviewer TREBOR" Losing NN is looking better all the time.
unclereich 12.14.17	Dont worry bernie will save us here's how he can still win:
ConcubinaryCode 12.14.17	I bet the Russians are behind this...
pjquinones747 12.14.17	Well, my girlfriend thinks I spent too much time on the internet anyways. The very same stubbornness that pisses her off will grant her wish. I consistently refuse to pay for things I don't think that I should have to pay for.
hikingmetalpunk 12.15.17	fucking scumbag mr pai, lowlife piece of shit motherfucker.
ramon. 12.15.17	this is the one day i wont complain about my shitty australian internet
LethalPaintball 12.15.17	lol can't wait to pay 9.99 a month to access sputnik
sixdegrees 12.15.17	that is a thing that will happen agreed
Deathconscious 12.15.17	"I bet the Russians are behind this..." nah its the jews.
sixdegrees 12.15.17	our democracy?
CaimanJesus 12.15.17	So the FCC won't let me be
ianblxdsoe 12.15.17	of all my lists i’m surprised not even this one got featured my goal is to get a mod to feature my list about weed or the boneless pizza one like a ridiculous amount of time in advance so it just shows up and everybody is like “???” “why is this kid spamming the spiderman 2 soundtrack and jeff rosenstock???”
sixdegrees 12.15.17	my name jeff
Deathconscious 12.15.17	huh
GhostOfSarcasticBtrd 12.15.17	Yes.
Dewinged 12.15.17	I am going back to the mountains.
hal1ax 12.15.17	Me nama Halifax
ianblxdsoe 12.18.17	i wanna go to the mountains
Egarran 12.18.17	"I think you're gonna bite the pillow and take it." Let's see... no rl protests, no strikes, no assassinations, yup it's another confirmed assrape.
sixdegrees 12.18.17	its 4 days later and we're FUCKED
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	im literally dead rn
sixdegrees 12.18.17	the cost of a sput access package is gonna put me on the streets
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	worth
anarchistfish 12.18.17	land of the free to go fuck yourself "disrupts the natural flow of goods including potentially causing famine" there is no natural flow of goods
Egarran 12.18.17	"You wanna feel bad for someone in a down-turned economy, I'll give you someone...prostitutes. Because a prostitute doesn't have that same "worst case scenario" b-plan that we all enjoy. No matter how shitty things are going for you on the job, "Danny, if they lay off anymore people, I'm gonna be out on the streets sucking dick for a living. I got nothin' else. I'm serious." Hooker doesn't have that same safety net. Here is a hooker jugging a cock behind a dumpster right now. And she’s staring up at your office building thinking: “If they lay off any more people, more people gonna be out here sucking dicks! It’s gonna be a buyer’s market."" - Stanhope
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	"there is no natural flow of goods" pardon
Egarran 12.18.17	"More people out here sucking dicks. I’m gonna have to start doing anal just to compete in the marketplace. Woman my age shouldn’t have to do anal. I ain’t built right for it no more. I gotta do exercises in the morning. I do squat thrusts, trying to strengthen up my shit pussy in case this whole thing goes bust. I’m doing ass kegels every morning. You can’t afford to get all loosey-goosey down in your ass pussy, not in this economy. If you get baggy in your shit pussy, you’d be tonguing ass for a living. That ain’t proper work for no human being. If you tongue ass, you gotta get up early, sugar. Set your alarm clock and get down to the construction site before the boys in the orange vests show up and wait for them. Take all the toilet paper out, wait for them to take that gravely good morning and starbucks shit. You hear them scratching around on the fiberglass. You go, ‘there ain’t no toilet paper in there, sugarplum, but I’ll clean you out real good for 25 dollars.’ "
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	man works hard man earns 50 cents man gets hungry man spends 50 cents on banana unnatural flow of goods
Egarran 12.18.17	Fuck Keynes and his philosophy. Dig up that dead jew Milton Friedman. He’s a Nobel peace prize winner, motherfucking economic major. You dig up that dead jew. Ask Milton Friedman, dead jew corpse, what he thinks about the current economic crisis, and he would tell you, ‘you better strengthen up your shit pussy, baby, ’cause this whole economy is going down.’
anarchistfish 12.18.17	"pardon" just because a particular mode is embedded doesn't make it natural. it's individuals in the systems they make up that get shit done, with all the material particularities that mean there's a limit to how far you can abstract the practical historical functioning of a society to an abstract idea like communism or capitalism
sixdegrees 12.18.17	north korea has better internet than us
Egarran 12.18.17	And better leadership. But the population is about the same amount of deluded.
anarchistfish 12.18.17	"man works hard man earns 50 cents man gets hungry man spends 50 cents on banana unnatural flow of goods" i mean, i don't think there's anything intrinsic to the idea of communism that precludes bartering per se, if we're only discussing shared means of production. obviously in history socialist governments like china and the ussr caused famines with their particular attempts at social engineering but again there's a limit to abstracting that to the ideology as a whole past and present. and you still had to buy shit in some form in USSR
Demon of the Fall 12.18.17	What does this mean for your average joe then, in the US & beyond? I'm lazy & haven't been paying attention but I don't want to pay for internet browsing. Now it might actually influence my life in someway I'm vaguely interested (selfish I know). On the face of it this sounds like a ridiculous thing to implement (or repel) & I'm not really sure why this is happening.
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	"just because a particular mode is embedded doesn't make it natural. it's individuals in the systems they make up that get shit done, with all the material particularities that mean there's a limit to how far you can abstract the practical historical functioning of a society to an abstract idea like communism or capitalism" yes please sell me on the functionality of communism o wise seer of the true true ive got all day
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	"i mean, i don't think there's anything intrinsic to the idea of communism that precludes bartering per se, if we're only discussing shared means of production. obviously in history socialist governments like china and the ussr caused famines with their particular attempts at social engineering but again there's a limit to abstracting that to the ideology as a whole past and present. and you still had to buy shit in some form in USSR" do you know in science when you get the same result of an experiment 100% of the time it's considered to be a fact
anarchistfish 12.18.17	come on loaded question. idk if u were a revolutionary marxist leninist gvt you'd probably have to start with the basic stuff such as utilities, food, maintenance, anything essential. first appropriate the businesses, so you don't fuck up those natural flows of goods, eventually standardise and universalise that so everyone is guaranteed decent living. don't rust it. after that and with surplus you can get more creative. we live in such a consumerist society it's not like there's a lack of surplus. obviously it's way more complicated than that and any society as big as ours is gonna have a lot of intricacies and contradictions but that's the same as capitalism which functions to expand and expand without regard for the health of society or the planet as a whole, wasting resources, draining the workforce and dividing along wealth lines until the whole thing blows. You can call that functioning. It does function in a certain way. To what end though? my personal opinion is that more intrinsic changes would probably have to happen. to a certain extent material conditions have to shift in a way that allows for new avenues to open up more easily. just look at media piracy. that is communist as fuck. it's easy to take capitalism for granted because we are so accustomed to it now but it has evolved and shifted over the last 150 years along with the social fabric and material developments, and it wasn't even 50 years ago that no one knew whether western capitalism or soviet communism would win out. it isn't for granted that capitalism was, hence the many cold war proxy wars "do you know in science when you get the same result of an experiment 100% of the time it's considered to be a fact" this is social science, and society isn't an experiment in a lab that can be empirically analysed according to objective rules. what exactly is your 100% result?
guitarded_chuck 12.18.17	your whole first paragraph argument is invalid because youre assuming a surplus and your whole second paragraph assumes humans have somehow evolved such that greed is not an inherent obstacle to practical communism my 100% result is every time communism has been implemented ever e v e r come on fish bro youre smarter than this, i was a blind optimistic utopian practical socialist for a long time too but its 2017 its time to buckle down and face reality here im not vouching for full blown free market capitalism here, in fact i regularly vote social democrat in canada, but communism doesnt fucking work man and among most anyone well read on history sociology and or economics they are going to think anyone who is pro-communism as completely ignorant
Egarran 12.18.17	Show me on the doll where the communist hurt you.