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ThyCrossAwaits 09.13.16	Yo fuck Big Pharma I was so pissed when I saw this
sonictheplumber 09.13.16	never tried opiates but my friend was addicted to em bigtime. kratom helped him get off the shit, and since he's on probation he cant smoke pot either. when will people realize drugs rock? kratom is a lot of fun. i need to stock up i suppose, i still have about 20 grams of some maeng da. i dont do it too often
hal1ax 09.13.16	shot heroin for 6+ years and can confidently say that occasional kratom use has absolutely helped me manage and mitigate my cravings. aside from that, it has virtually no side effects, non-lethal (as far as we know), and has marginal withdrawal effects (sluggishness for maybe 24-48 hours). they're trying to push this bullshit pretext about how it has no medical value lol. it's honestly just criminal.
Mystletainn 09.13.16	Fk America what's new really
Spacesh1p 09.13.16	Damn hal good on you to make it out alive.
worthlessscab 09.13.16	will the state ever stop nannying people or will we get even more?
trve 09.13.16	it's not about nannying people, it's all about the sweet big pharm money and corruption
Mystletainn 09.13.16	I'm still waiting for the day weed isn't included in any type of drug tests
sonictheplumber 09.13.16	fuck the system they dont need me i dont need society
sonictheplumber 09.13.16	i live in georgia so i wont have legal pot til like 2050 and i'd rather not even be around
BallsDeep 09.13.16	fuck hal that's a hardcore lifestyle you've had glad youre still with us, my best mates cousin OD'd on Heroin early this year and she had only just starting IVing so consider yourself lucky in some regards
ZippaThaRippa 09.13.16	Just move out of Georgia. Georgia sucks anyways
Spacesh1p 09.13.16	Georgia is alright man, I grew up there. Don't want to live there now but as far as the south goes it's upper tier depending on where you are.
ZippaThaRippa 09.13.16	I just wouldn't want to live in a place with Russia looming over me all the time. I give it 10-15 years tops before they invade. Really surprised there are so many Georgians on this site
Storm In A Teacup 09.13.16	we finally got enough signatures before the deadline in Oklahoma to legalize weeeeed but the government officials said it took too much time to actually add it on the ballot when we vote. so I guess they can just deny it with any excuse.
ZippaThaRippa 09.13.16	The only things legal in Oklahoma are poverty and misery
BallsDeep 09.13.16	but isn't the us the greatest country in the world??
Storm In A Teacup 09.13.16	I haven't crossed the Oklahoma border in ten years and I'm 26. It's awful. I'm trying to move in 12 months to Durham, NC or San Francisco, or Sacramento or Texas.
ZippaThaRippa 09.13.16	Move to NC. You'd be closer to me.
Storm In A Teacup 09.13.16	From what I read there are at least 5 countries in Europe that are a million times better than the USA and seem genuinely great to live in.
ZippaThaRippa 09.13.16	Yeah they are great and you can't afford to live in them haha
Spacesh1p 09.13.16	Cheeky Zippa.
BallsDeep 09.13.16	after living in all 3 countries: Australia>Canada>US
zaruyache 09.13.16	are there any studies about its impact on the body after longtime use? lol at "no medical value" tho.
Storm In A Teacup 09.13.16	I would be super excited to move to Durham, NC and that is the most likely destination. Just depends on where my brother gets accepted. He's already got a masters, but he is going for a Doctorate in History.
Spacesh1p 09.13.16	NC is a nice state despite all the recent bad press regarding the whole bathroom thing.
hal1ax 09.14.16	"Are there any studies about its impact on the body after longtime use" I haven't encountered any truly longitudinal studies regarding kratom use (10-15+years) but I personally know a few people that have used it nearly everyday for 4-5 years and have experienced no adverse side effects from kratom use and they are exceptionally healthy people.
hal1ax 09.14.16	Where as 4-5 years of prescription painkiller use would have your health in fucking shambles.
TheSpirit 09.14.16	As a recovering heroin addict, you should really being going to fucking NA or AA, not substituting your opiate addiction with something else.
zaruyache 09.14.16	AA is mostly bs isn't it? And replacing your unhealthy urges with something that probably won't kill you and doesn't seem to be addictive on a dangerous level seems like a good deal to me.
TheSpirit 09.14.16	AA saved my life, and countless other people I know. I don't expect anyone who doesn't work the program to understand, but it's far from bull. Also, you never really replace anything. By not actually dealing with what causes you to use, you're delaying the inevitable picking back up of your drug of choice.
zaruyache 09.14.16	no doubt it's helped a lot of people, but it's still a lot of bullshit. I mean their 12 Steps is mostly religious bunk. The actual support group aspects of it are probably less 1930's based tho, and that's what I assume is the more important part.
hal1ax 09.14.16	AA can be helpful but it doesn't work for everyone. I went for a while and it did nothing for me. I've been clean for a while and I just occasionally use small doses of kratom when I am feeling strong urges to use. but ya why don't you tell me more about how I should join some support group to help me cope because it works for you , you fucking churned out pile of shit fucking lemming
TheSpirit 09.14.16	The 12 Steps aren't anything like that at all. It's not religious, it's spiritual, there's a big difference. The program as a whole has evolved a lot over the years. I love you Zaru, but you don't know what you're talking about. You're making judgments based on....? I'm not sure really, but they are ill-informed. Like I said, I wouldn't expect anyone not in the program to understand, but the way it's structured (steps included) is how it got to be so helpful to people and endure for 90 years.
TheSpirit 09.14.16	The problem is you're looking at it as support group and that's not what it is. Have you worked with a sponsor? Have you attempted the 12 steps? Made commitments? Made amends? Going to meetings =/=working the program. You're too afraid to look at yourself still to give it an honest go.
TheSpirit 09.14.16	That being said OBVIOUSLY it doesn't work for everyone (is there anything that does?) but if you're not going about it as suggested, that doesn't really even count as an attempt.
hal1ax 09.14.16	haha. addiction take different forms and shapes for everyone, as does sobriety. the structure, the steps, the rehashing of all the bullshit, the sponsors yada yada, did not work for me. trying to work the program made me want to use actually. so believe it or not, i developed my own methodology to help me reconcile my addictive behavior, and guess what?! it worked! wow how is that possible without AA? crazy huh. you should stop generalizing your sobriety methods to the masses and maybe stop preaching your fucking narrow ass bullshit
TheSpirit 09.14.16	How can you say you've reconciled anything if you're still turning to another substance? Also, addiction runs deeper than just using drugs. I believe people do it without AA or NA, but you're still using SOMETHING, so if you want to twist that into a positive, be my guest.
Snide 09.14.16	AA / NA isn't entirely BS. One of my ex's was addicted to meth, and morphine. It did help her quite a bit; but then again she was already religious, so any influence that would push was irrelevant. I don't think anyone should be required to go to AA or NA, but it can help certain people. I'm not religious myself (more spiritual than anything), and the only addiction I've dealt with is alcoholism (which I kicked on my own after middle school), so I may not be in the right to talk about this.
hal1ax 09.14.16	lol i've used kratom probably 3 times in the last year. i'm not perfect, i don't have complete mastery over my urges. so i very occasionally will take a small dose of kratom, which is a very minor opiate agonist (not an opiate) to help deal with extreme levels of stress. ya, it would be better if i got through those times without anything, but i think i'm doing a pretty good job of dealing with my affliction. i mean, last time i went to AA people were pounding red bulls and chain smoking cigarettes.. these people probably have horrible diets too and don't exercise. how about you? lol. i am pretty damn healthy overall.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	brandon you are so brainwashed jesus fuck
zaruyache 09.14.16	"it would be better if i got through those times without anything" sure, but when your crux isn't dangerously addictive and has other positive benefits aside from making you not want to shoot up, I'd say it's a pretty good alternative.
TheSpirit 09.14.16	siiiiigghhhhhhhh
hal1ax 09.14.16	agreed zaru and pots
Snide 09.14.16	"sure, but when your crux isn't dangerously addictive and has other positive benefits aside from making you not want to shoot up, I'd say it's a pretty good alternative." I'm going to have to agree with Zaru on this. Sometimes things like this are needed to kick a much more dangerous beast. Besides, what I've read about kratom is almost universally positive.
iloveyouall 09.14.16	as someone that has been forced to go to AA meetings, i have to say i still enjoy a beer or 15
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	"How can you say you've reconciled anything if you're still turning to another substance?" what you mean like how AA groups for juveniles rip them from their homes and beat them down until they think they are fucking shit then replace their 'illegal drug dependancies' with fucking two fistfuls of prescription pills, a carton of cigarettes, and heart palpitations from too much red bull and then send them back into the world to utterly abandon them if they ever 'relapse'? yeah great stuff dude you are obviously a spiritually superior being for deifying an objectively flawed program and relinquishing control of your own life to a higher power forced down peoples throats. 90% of my friends growing up were forced through fucked up AA rehab programs that ultimately just fucked their lives up way more than doing them any good. if AA worked for YOU as an adult then good for you, but fucking rofl at glorifying that shit like its this perfect harmonious answer to everyones problems and that using any sort of ~illegal~ substance to cope with life is inherently negative.
ZippaThaRippa 09.14.16	'AA can be helpful but it doesn't work for everyone. I went for a while and it did nothing for me. I've been clean for a while and I just occasionally use small doses of kratom when I am feeling strong urges to use. but ya why don't you tell me more about how I should join some support group to help me cope because it works for you , you fucking churned out pile of shit fucking lemming' I love this comment. The transition from mild mannered explanation to incendiary rage is both jarring and poignant. I had tears in my eyes. Christ, this is what the written language is all about.
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	everyone operates differently and there are different answers to everyones problems. shoving this AA shit down peoples throats is no better than shoving religion down peoples throats like its ~tHe WaY~
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	"'AA can be helpful but it doesn't work for everyone. I went for a while and it did nothing for me. I've been clean for a while and I just occasionally use small doses of kratom when I am feeling strong urges to use. but ya why don't you tell me more about how I should join some support group to help me cope because it works for you , you fucking churned out pile of shit fucking lemming' I love this comment. The transition from mild mannered explanation to incendiary rage is both jarring and poignant. I had tears in my eyes. Christ, this is what the written language is all about." lmao [2]
zaruyache 09.14.16	let's all just be friends and bask in the warmth of Hal's incendiary poetry.
CaimanJesus 09.14.16	Hal comes up with the best insults. First Cuck Weasel, now churned out pile of shit fucking lemming.
TheSpaceMan 09.14.16	reminds me of an onion title... "man somehow calms alcoholism without divine intervention 'I just did it'"
TheSpirit 09.14.16	what you mean like how AA groups for juveniles rip them from their homes and beat them down until they think they are fucking shit then replace their 'illegal drug dependancies' with fucking two fistfuls of prescription pills, a carton of cigarettes, and heart palpitations from too much red bull and then send them back into the world to utterly abandon them if they ever 'relapse'? yeah great stuff dude you are obviously a spiritually superior being for deifying an objectively flawed program and relinquishing control of your own life to a higher power forced down peoples throats. 90% of my friends growing up were forced through fucked up AA rehab programs that ultimately just fucked their lives up way more than doing them any good. if AA worked for YOU as an adult then good for you, but fucking rofl at glorifying that shit like its this perfect harmonious answer to everyones problems and that using any sort of ~illegal~ substance to cope with life is inherently negative. Yeah those aren't AA rehab programs, that's just REHAB. Big difference. They do commitments in centers, but there is no AA certified rehab. Also, I've never heard of anyone being turned away because they relapsed, because that kind of goes against the whole nature of the program. Most people don't get it on their first try, but lost but most of the people I do know who eventually got it, did it through the program. Wasn't trying to necessarily shove AA down anyone's throat or make myself seem like a spiritually superior being, but I've been involved in the lifestyle long enough to see what works more and what works less. Using any kind of substitution may sometimes deal with the substance you're using, but it doesn't usually help with the underlying issues. Drug use is only a symptom of addiction, there are plenty more behaviors that go along with it.
ZippaThaRippa 09.14.16	Holy shit is that your thesis?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	they are adolescent recovery centres that literally force you to go through the AA twelve step program you fucking idiot
TheSpirit 09.14.16	Yeah I know what you meant, but them forcing you to go through AA IS NOT THE SAME AS GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAM YOURSELF.
TheSpirit 09.14.16	rehab and AA are not the same thing you traffic cone
CaimanJesus 09.14.16	weak insult
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	"Wasn't trying to necessarily shove AA down anyone's throat or make myself seem like a spiritually superior being, but I've been involved in the lifestyle long enough to see what works more and what works less. Using any kind of substitution may sometimes deal with the substance you're using, but it doesn't usually help with the underlying issues. Drug use is only a symptom of addiction, there are plenty more behaviors that go along with it." god i could fucking smack you. because you were an alcoholic and are like the perfect specimen of AA self-righteousness you are an expert on what universally works more and what works less? could you be any more narrow minded? everything you believe is just the product of a society that declared a war on drugs long ago. its so ironic because any 'legal' drugs aren't the same now are they? even if a vast quantity of them are far more harmful than illegal ones proven to be beneficial to people that struggle with addiction, pain, anxiety or depression...so its okay that my own mother is cognitively crippled because she has to take morphine every single day to deal with the repercussions of a back tumour but if she smoked weed to cope she would be a terrible person right?
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	"Yeah I know what you meant, but them forcing you to go through AA IS NOT THE SAME AS GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAM YOURSELF." no fucking shit retard, maybe step the fuck back and read when i told you if it worked for you as an adult that thats fine and dandy but you should stop preaching it to other people whose lives you know nothing about like its the holy bible you stupid mother fucker. "rehab and AA are not the same thing you traffic cone" hence why i fucking addressed them separately
CaimanJesus 09.14.16	well he was a heroin addict too pots
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	why don't you go type up an obnoxious biweekly 67 paragraph overdramatic facebook post about how grateful you are for AA ~saving~ your super depressing and boring life to cope with your issues while us ~other~ terrible hedonistic idiots happily deal with our own problems in our own ways asshole
Lord(e)Po)))ts 09.14.16	my uncle willingly went through AA and it worked for him. i have many other friends who have had AA do absolutely nothing to help them who have gone on to horrifically deal with their problems successfully with gasp devils grass and the like (god forbid) but since they deal with it with anything other than bewildering sobriety it must be just a crutch for them and their happiness is a facade and they should be scolded
TheSpaceMan 09.14.16	something that really helped stop my h problem was having my dad sit with me in a locked room while i dry heaved my guts out for a few days. best thing he's ever done for me, took work off and everything. after the dope sickness was gone i felt like i owed it to him to not go back. there is no single solution to addiction, and everyday you wake up with something telling you to do it again in the back of your mind even after you've 'quit'. but its more than doable
sonictheplumber 09.14.16	Drugs are sweet
Storm In A Teacup 09.14.16	Atreyu was popular the last time I went to an addiction type meeting. Great vibes. Great coffee. Nice people. Didn't really need it though had quit everything but weed at the time and cut down then but I was really going there as support to my best friend because he would ask me to go every week. 4/5 would listen again
BallsDeep 09.14.16	Some of you have to remember though 'shoving AA down peoples throats' is often done with good intentions by people who care though and believe it to be the only way or the most effective way of helping someone overcome drug addiction, whether the meetings themselves are actually worthwhile is another story
TheTripP 09.14.16	This was a ride that depressed me but LordePots gained respect from me (which means nothing)... This is as tough a situation as any and I have seen many friends go to AA meetings, Psych Wards, and turning to religion and nothing being a fixable solution... Some people are just wired differently and have their inner demons to fight, some can kick it, some can't seem to no matter how hard they try... Life's quite dreadful.