ThroneOfAgony
03.20.12 |
wikipedia |
auberginedreams
03.20.12 | go to wikipedia, use their references. |
dammets
03.20.12 | interesting paper idea. Can't really think of any good references though. |
Yazz_Flute
03.20.12 | sputnikmusic.com |
AtomicShane
03.20.12 | ^ fuck that lol |
tarkus
03.20.12 | lol yeah fuck it |
LifeAsAChipmunk
03.20.12 | I'm just taking a shot in the dark here, could it have something to do with the lyrical content/themes of modern pop music? |
Quen
03.20.12 | I'd like to hear the angle(s) you're taking for this. This is a pretty sweet idea. |
Yazz_Flute
03.20.12 | You should mention Stooma as a beacon of light amidst the dregs of pop music. |
tvol
03.20.12 | Research Paper On Why Record Labels No Longer Value Talent
Fix'd. |
Shuyin
03.20.12 | youtube.com
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ThroneOfAgony
03.20.12 | lol totally |
Dreamflight
03.20.12 | When you can get pretty much any album with a couple of clicks, having only your conscience or/and a
crappy internet connection as barriers, then yeah there's a big chance you'll stop valuing music.
People in general tend to value everything they can't have.
Just my 2 cents |
ThroneOfAgony
03.20.12 | GREAT |
silentstar
03.20.12 | www.justinbiebermusic.com/
The fact that people are willing to pay so much for his music/shows. |
Quen
03.20.12 | My music collection is everything to me. It seems like a generalization to say people don't value music. I doubt that's what you meant though. |
wabbit
03.20.12 | No I think he means why we aren't willing to pay for it. And that's easy.
It's way easier to steal than it is to acquire legally...and I'm a lazy cunt |
NotSoFast
03.20.12 | I did a speech once on why people shouldn't DL illegally in high school and everyone disliked me from that day on. |
LifeAsAChipmunk
03.20.12 | Sonic's definitely right. People appreciate music, no doubt. We can see this in the massive investments (like advertising) put into the entertainment business (movies particularly, but also in pop music).
But now (perhaps more than ever), people seem to want a show (Adele's sobfest, Lady Gaga/Katy Perry/Ke$ha's bombast and ridiculous outfits), not just music, it's the image that seems to matter to the crowds.
Or something that gets them into, I don't know, "the mood," whatever mood it may be. Also think pop music's constant themes about dancin', fuckin', and havin' a good time devalues the music because people seem to treat it like a dispensable drug - something they just use to help them get into a particular mood, but otherwise has no other value, nor is it something they actually care about.
Not only that, but the sheer amount of musical acts these days makes it very hard to even care about a band/musical act, let alone however many bands that happen to come blaring out of your radio. Emotional connections/investments seem risky if the band you love disappoints you. "They seriously fucked up this time, why keep listening to or caring about them when there are clearly bands out there doing what these guys do only better."
Again, this is my 2 cents. I'm far from a music authority. I know little about music history; I'm just trying to make sense of the subject. For all I know, I could be completely wrong. |
PuddlesPuddles
03.20.12 | 3+ rated indie pop album reviews on sputnikmusic.com |
NotSoFast
03.20.12 | "But now (perhaps more than ever), people seem to want a show (Adele's sobfest, Lady Gaga/Katy Perry/Ke$ha's bombast and ridiculous outfits), not just music, it's the image that seems to matter to the crowds."
That's how it's always been. |
Quen
03.20.12 | I loved the analogy comparing music that gets you into a certain mood to a drug, I've never thought of it like that. |
MO
03.20.12 | actually this website can help, if you search through the blogs you can find some good ones, these may not be on topic but they questioned the big ideas of music and hence how some people don't look forward to stuff anymore, etc
this is a good series: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/blog/?p=6281 |
MO
03.20.12 | that being said it's a blog and can't be used for hard research but could give you some ideas |
Trebor.
03.20.12 | Lots of people don't appreciate free shit |
Vesper
03.20.12 | Your argument has a huge fallacy in that it's predicated upon the idea that there was some 'golden age' when people as a whole really cared about music. How do you even measure something like that? I doubt you're going to find any legitimate research supporting an objective cultural disinterest in music.
People who invest a lot of time (and money) in music have existed before and after the piracy boom. They would do so even if it were impossible to download music starting tomorrow.
There was no reduction in the number of people who really care about music and support their scenes. If anything, it's added to them simply through increased exposure, and has tremendously increased the number of more casual listeners who might not appreciate their music as much when they haven't paid for, that is, put some kind of tangible work towards gaining it. |
spillingmercury
03.20.12 | Your argument has a huge fallacy in that it's predicated upon the idea that there was some 'golden age' when people as a whole really cared about music.
More or less. I mean, if you're really bent on using this as a research paper, I think it's best to compare the nature in which older generations reacted to music in comparison to our own. Pull up record sales data on popular bands then and now, and do some interviews comparing older fans to new ones. But I believe the biggest deviation you'll see from then and now is simply sales. Nobody really stopped caring about music, we just realized we don't have to always pay to get what we want. We can get lessons in music for free on the internet, produce our own music on PCs and we can collaborate with one another, interact with bands when they're on tours miles away by the power of social media. If anything, we're significantly closer to the musicians we hold at heart than ever before. It's just a completely different time measured by outdated values. |
spillingmercury
03.20.12 | But it's a "why people no longer value music" paper, isn't it? So doesn't that assume that there was a time when people did "value" music? Or was that just to get sputnikers clicking?
If it's about presenting the negative and positive areas of the music industry today then to me that's whole different thing from saying that people don't value music anymore or ever did.
Sorry, haha, I guess I'm just being stubborn. I mean, I want to help you but I just don't really understand the pov of your thesis. |
Vesper
03.20.12 | Well, your 'thesis' is so broad as to render it useless. You're now presenting x and y about the state of music - so what?
I might be 'assuming' some things, but that's because you're doing a really bad job of pinpointing what it is you're getting at.
I'm not even talking about monetary value, even though that does factor into how people assign 'value' to a lot of things in life, because money can signify things like your effort and time.
Regardless, you said 'no longer value music', therefore, implying a decline of sorts in this 'value', but there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case in any way unless you're going to get much more specific, which you haven't done. |
MO
03.20.12 | yea I'm with Vesper, too broad man, it'll be hard to find stuff on this |
spillingmercury
03.20.12 | Oh, I just sort of worked off of "...but this paper, as a whole is how i believe societies perception of music, as a whole, has changed for the worse. thats really what i mean by value. because i believe you can still love music, but be very ignorant about it and take things for granted. " So I kind of figured that you were working on a paper that had to do with society's lessening appreciation and perception of music. It's sort of hard to work with anything that's not really clearly presented for us to talk about or help you find resources on, unless you just wanted us to get you links to places that would talk about the music industry in general detail.
But yeah, I mean, I understand that a lot of things can get pretty misconstrued over time, especially in a tangent-loving place like Sputnik. But honestly I skimmed this list and don't really recall seeing you write anything besides it being very complicated and, in my opinion, very damning of modern cultural values. In any case, when you put your paper together I would love to get to read what it is ultimately about. |
AngelofDeath
03.20.12 | Ask your prof if he still buys CDs.
Then tell him to see deez nuts. |
Vesper
03.20.12 | 'well im looking for actual research. and YOUR opinions'
Your words - if you don't want to take my criticisms, which are meant to be helpful in focusing your paper, go ahead and write this extremely broad, vague paper that 'societies perception of music, as a whole, has changed for the worse'.
Let me know how that goes for you.
Cheers,
The Nazi |
Killerhit
03.20.12 | There are those who probably do not value music mostly because there are individuals who are stuck in their period of music - what was good back then is a treasure trove to them today. There are those who will argue the 70's was the only good period of music, and those who will debate over the fact that music nowadays is just noise. If there was ever a decline in music, almost everyone would of noticed it. The idea of there actually being a descent in the music industry, that everything will just be terrible and that we should retreat to the so-called golden age is both philosophically and theoretically incorrect: there are always diamonds in the rough, but there are those who enjoy shoveling the dirt onto these little gems. Perhaps they no longer value music anymore because they're simply in denial or annoyed by the fact of their favorite band getting crushed by the crowd: on the contrary, the musical acts nowadays probably might not be heard of a few years later, when the next contestants rise to the throne. The classics are probably the ones they enjoy, and are simply angry that said classics are no longer in the modern day movement. |
Killerhit
03.20.12 | Just think about that. |
Funeralopolis
03.20.12 | also cus people just want a quick fix and a catchy beat and don't care about like the music, like the music. |
AngelofDeath
03.20.12 | lol |
OnlyAnchors
03.20.12 | too broad dude. things gonna be like a bajillion pages to cover all the subjects you mentioned earlier. Try writing a paper on why people are starting to buy records and record players nowadays. |
North0House2
03.20.12 | Go to Youtube and take peoples' quotes off of the comment sections- preferably Nickelback and Asking Alexandria videos.
You could also pour through sources dealing with how much of a show music has been turned into- such as all the dancing and costumes a mainstream concerts. I don't know where you'd find sources on that, though. |
Funeralopolis
03.20.12 | you could def talk about music sub-cultures |
AngelofDeath
03.20.12 | Somehow I feel your grade is going to be 'wittled' down. |
Funeralopolis
03.20.12 | i am good at righting too |
JWT155
03.20.12 | Honestly, I'd center your paper around commercialism, like in Fight Club. People today are programmed
that in order to have the ideal life, they have this car, that phone and like this music. Top 40 music
is spoon fed to the masses because that's what corporate scum with a product to sell want them to
listen to and sadly the majority follow blindly. |
JWT155
03.20.12 | I dj on the radio, most mainstream music is pushed by certain record companies and people pushing buttons. Songs like "Pumped Up Kicks" and "Someone That I Used to Know" don't get airplay until months of popularity off the air. |
AngelofDeath
03.20.12 | Can't weight. |
CrownOfMagnets
03.20.12 | vesper means bitch |
spillingmercury
03.20.12 | lol vesper is butthurt now. you're just rambling and being annoying. go whine to your friends about me.
Look man, I'm sorry. But despite how she presents it, she's basically said everything that everyone else has after this. Yeah, it's a writing process you undergo to get from a general topic to a more specific, concrete idea, but don't present it to us as something and take it back saying that we're misunderstanding you. You have a general idea, and your professor seems to like your writing. But you can't give us a topic that expresses nothing that you want to express and expect us to know how to respond to it.
Good luck with your paper though. |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | If you haven't seen Exit Through The Gift Shop, I'd recommend watching that ASAP. It should be on Netflix. I'm sure you could/should tie the ideals of Mr. Brainwash into your argument. I also agree that Youtube comments are ripe for the picking, or public comments in general for, like, internet articles concerning SOPA and shit. The public is never wrong.
EDIT: Fuck you for being intentionally vague. What, do you expect we have directions to the nearest cove of research conducted on a topic of utter subjectivity? That being said, take to heart the ideas people have quite generously offered you. You'll need them, if for nothing else than intro/conclusion filler, 'cause God knows you'll have one hell of a time finding an authority on this stuff if you go about it via doublespeak. |
spillingmercury
03.20.12 | Alright. TBH you shouldn't have people wade through half of your comments just to figure out that your title doesn't actually mean that's what you want, but I'm not going to argue about what you should or shouldn't do, or what you've said or haven't said. Have fun, hope you can get the research you need.
Also I'm a chick too lol. |
theacademy
03.20.12 | there is quite a it to say on this topic but i will have a hard time reading through these replies |
JWT155
03.20.12 | Acad sighting |
liledman
03.20.12 | for the monetary comments above:
"Music may yet be unborn. Perhaps no music has ever been written or heard. Perhaps the birth of art will take place at the moment in which the last man who is willing to make a living out of art is gone and gone forever."
- Charles Ives
value does not necessarily mean monetary value when talking about art, and really it has little significance in the long run. you can sell 'the scream', but can you put a monetary value on how important it is in the history of art? no, its value is just how much a museum or private collector is willing to pay.
i think you will struggle to find any substantial arguments that prove that people no longer value music. as was mentioned above, it is predicated on the idea that there was a period where people really did value music more, or in the right way. the major shift in history, as far as the western world is concerned, is from music as a class dependant art, to a much more open and democratic view of what constitutes good music (or art in general). from the upper classes with the european classical tradition, localised folk forms, and music for the commoners, we now have everything co-existing and intermingling, largely because of the rise of the middle class throughout the 19th century. all kinds of social barriers have been broken down, people listen widely and voraciously thanks to recorded music, there are more musicians than ever before, more music institutions and courses, and yes, serious money being put into it.
the comment about some enjoying a particular decade of music instead of others does not really have much to do with valuing music, as they still obviously invest enough time into what they like to have an opinion. their musical appreciation may be in question, but whether they value it is not directly related to their tastes, or close-minded attitudes; if that were the case most of sputnik would be seen as philistines.
finally, if you want to argue that capitalism has ruined music, refer again to the quote above, then remember the upper classes and all the money surrounding music throughout the western classical tradition. now more than ever, music is available to pretty much everybody, to consume, appreciate, create, etc. their has always been commoners who do not hold high standards either, there is just more money involved with that now. maybe you should reflect on the effect of money changing perceptions on long-standing cultural values in society, instead of whether we do value art or not. |
Killerhit
03.20.12 | Very good. |
ohfoxxxycole
03.20.12 | i keep misreading this list on the front page as "Research Paper On White People" |
liledman
03.20.12 | and take one look at brazil, and you know that they certainly value music. they can have a police strike but declare martial law just for the length of carnivale. people dance and play instruments in the street, samba schools are treated like football teams, etc. |
theacademy
03.20.12 | Acad sighting ;D |
liledman
03.20.12 | also you sound like a dick being vague about your topic and calling others cunts for weighing in with their opinion, which you invited (in a somewhat lackadaisical manner). |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | If anything's diminished the value of music, it's the Information Age and the accompanying sense of entitlement bestowed upon anybody privileged with fingers to browse and the right www's to haunt. |
Skrapyard
03.20.12 | Ooooooh, big bad list-maker deletes my comment because he can't take criticism!
Grow the fuck up... or at least learn how to think properly. |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | Woof. Thread/O.P. just lost all credibility/value. |
Skrapyard
03.20.12 | I think you are confusing 'trolling' with 'thoughtful criticism.' Clearly if you're getting 100's on your papers, you can't be going to a very good school... care to share the name of your university? Let us be the judge of its quality.. |
Cosmiche
03.20.12 | i'm skeptical of any university that hands out 100% on a research paper. i can assure you that your writing isn't perfect |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | I can tell this thread is about to devolve into a stupid internet catfight, and honestly, Skrapyard has the upper hand here (I mean, really, anybody who's getting straight 100's on collegiate papers is either a fucking genius, somebody's "son/daughter," or attending a pretty easy school). Give it up, Lama. At this point, nobody wants to help you, so where's the good in continuing this conversation? |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | I did see it. You are being asinine and immature, and this is how we can tell you are an average writer. |
Skrapyard
03.20.12 | By 'thoughtful criticism' I was referring to Vesper's comments and those that followed from other users, though for some reason you seem to simply ignore any critical poke at your thesis, er... paper idea/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
You're right about one thing though - BYU is a decent school. Still not surprised you aren't very bright, though; I go to Williams College and there are plenty of stupid students there who can't write worth a damn.
Since you're giving me shit, I'll just go ahead and leave this here to shut you up: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/ |
iFghtffyrdmns
03.20.12 | Use crandy as a reference [2] |
DocSportello
03.20.12 | Aaaaaaandddd...that's a wrap! Good show, boys! Who wants to go out for ice cream? |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | God damn this thread. If you want to initiate a "truce" - which is a silly-ass way to refer to cessation of back-and-forth bitching - I would be more than happy to proofread your paper or help you or whatever. I have "credentials," you might say, and I honestly don't give a damn about online personas, so my ranting here...it ain't nothing personal. |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | Your best bet for a topic so monolithic is a succinct overview of, yes, mass media; be careful with your usage of the word "value." For instance, say I were to go out and Mediafire Charles Mingus' entire discography and think nothing of it but love every second of what I so effortlessly downloaded, no charge necessary...what are the implications of this act in regards to Mingus' "value?" And yes, I write things. |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | I'll talk poetry. But not here. |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | Sure. |
paxman
03.20.12 | Vinyls are popular though |
Samizdat
03.20.12 | Fin. |